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Are Denominations Of Satan

Since there is only one Spirit one Father and one Son, shouldn't there only be one truth, i.e. absolute truth? Since there is only one truth can we than say denominations are not of God, but of Satan, because of their non-unity, factions and dissentions?

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Bob: God confused language because they didnt honor Him. Likening Denominations teaching perversion as the Body is akin to saying the head controls them is Confused
No,Christ is the Head of One True, body One faith/baptism
Other Sheep are not part of this flock and these He must also bring into the fold
Rev12:17 "dragon went to make war with the remnant which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus"
Do you Keep Commandments or follow the dragon head? (Rhetorical)
---SeventhSeal on 9/18/07


There's absolutely nothing new about this thinking, it's ancient.

Tower of Babel was a tower built to reach the heavens by a united humanity. God, observing the arrogance of humanity, resolves to confuse the previously uniform language of humanity, thereby preventing any such future efforts.
---Bob on 9/18/07


The Universal Church, all paths lead to God, one language, one gospel, oneness in everything is a return to this ancient mistake.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. They said one to another, Come, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven, and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children built.
---Bob on 9/18/07


6th your welcome to join my church anytime. But my church has one head - Jesus Christ. The denomination thing - equate it to the 7 churches in revelation. Remember two -did not recieved any condemnation

yet Jesus was still head over all seven.
---Andrea on 9/17/07


Andre: "One Body, One Faith One Baptism" God calls for One body of believers, He does not want us in seperated Denominations believeing diverse things... This is why He calls for His People "Come out of Her MY People"

Rev14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus"

If a Church does not reflect Rev14:12 then it aint Gods no matter how much you wish it were so.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07




7th - see we don't have to fight about everything

Christ knows His - He doesn't need us to register with the local congregation

and everytime theres a holy fight - God wins and plants a new church.
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


Denominations are not of Satan. They were the result of the great awakening when men finaly got Bibles to read to the horror and threatening of the Roman Church. Denominations resulted from growth in Grace from error to truth by progressive revelation from the lost Word of God. But has that growth continued? Is this why God says come out of her My People? Is your Church come to the fullness of Scripture? Read your Bible.
---SeventhSeal on 9/14/07


The tree of life indeed has many branches, and the only trunk and root is Christ and Israel ("I am the vine..."). That you should presume that Orthodox Christianity is the trunk and not one of the oldest and thickest branches is an extremely heretical position, as heretical as the Roman Catholic claim that Peter and his successors are infallible.
cc OCA site
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.


Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


The Gates of Hell Cannot Prevail against the Truth, BUT Matt.11:12 ...the Kingdom of Heaven Suffereth VIOLENCE, and the Violent TAKE IT by Force! Mal.2 The Word of the LORD: O ye Priests, Behold, I Will spread Dung upon your Faces. Ye have Corrupted the Covenant, Ye have caused Many to Stumble at My Law. Therefore have I made you Contemptible before all people, according as ye have NOT Kept My Ways, but have been PARTIAL in My Law. The LORD Will CUT OFF the man that doeth this, the Master AND the Scholar.
---JoeMcDaniel on 9/14/07




I See the 'Fruit', AndrSwr4, It's Polished and Pretty on the Outside, and Wormy Rotten to the Core! Do you Think that since Satan has spread his False Propaganda 'churches' throughout the world, that the TRUE Gospel of Christ is being Promoted? When they Each teach their OWN Junk in the Stead of 'Nothing But The Truth', it becommeth a LIE! Grace is Granted that we may Serve God Perfectly, but Lazy so-called christians teach Grace as a 'FREE RIDE' into Heaven. It Does NOT Work That Way!
---JoeMcDaniel on 9/14/07


Some denominations are of God, and some are the assemblies of Satan.
---Eloy on 9/14/07


The gates of hell have not prevailed against Christ's church.

He knows every hair on your head do you really think He cares who signed the lease.

you who put Jesus in your own little box with your nasty remarks (JM)
He knows His sheep and His sheep know His voice. he never said He'd know you bc you were in the right building.

silliness
---Andrea on 9/13/07


in a way yes & no just like you can say for example all man made religions are cults & of satan. However God still shines through & our fellowship, reading scripture, & obediance to God is what is true, not a denominational name. If it were up to the church name to save us we'd be in trouble because there are a lot of counterfiets.
---candice on 9/13/07


Of Satan? No. Of man's pride desire of always having to be right and have things his way? Yes.
---denna7667 on 9/13/07


like I said JoeM - look at the fruit.
---Andrea on 9/13/07


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Denominationism is Absolute DEMONOLATRY, and those who call their Haints 'Non-Denominational' have in all Actuality taken Thunder-Mugs full of Denominationism, and Copied, Cut, Revamped and Pasted it all together to fill their OWN Septic Tanks with SATANIC Bullshift that has no more value than than Chicken Scratch! There's only ONE Way, One Word, and ONE GOD, and HE is NOT of DIVISION!
---JoeMcDaniel on 9/13/07


personally I look at the fruit.
Since the diasporia the church has been divided from one end of the planet to the next. hmmmmmmm
fruit - what fruit could come from spreading Christianity all over civilization.
---Andrea on 9/13/07


When Jesus Christ was on the cross - His disciples thought the world was over - everything was lost. they could not understand. Yet, God was more in control at that time then ever before.

When I see chaos in God's House "remember" its His house, I look for the fruit.

God causes ALL things to come together for the good of those that love Him.

The Reformation - what happened. Those that were not being reached in the established church and further were reached.
---Andrea on 9/13/07


Everytime a denomination splits the two grow.A new church is planted and God uses it when they seek Him.

He does not need our denominations!
He is the author and finisher of our faith!
Trust Him - He is able.
---Andrea on 9/13/07


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Nice question. I think the answer is yes and No. Yes because most denominations started over anger (to be quite honest) the "parent" church wouldn't listen so they left. No because many of the reasons behind the divide were founded on scripture. The denomination divisions are a wedge that is dividing the church. We have them and God can use them, but I sure hope there won't be more emerging.
---Jared on 9/13/07


I am sure that the devil is laughing for the house divided against itself will fall. Matthew 12:25. Mark 3:25. Luke 11:17

But we are responsible for our own situation here. And it all boils down to pride. No one wants to listen to anybody else. There is no way that we have over 30,000 different denominations each believing that the others are all wrong and each having the full and proper guidance of the Holy Spirit.
---lorra8574 on 3/30/07


Part 2 In the scriptures there were churches in different towns and cities, but they all followed the same authority under Christ. Note that the Epistles were written by a few to many of the different Churches? How many different groups did Paul write to?

They all held to the same doctrines. Those that didn't separated.
---lorra8574 on 3/30/07


God seeks unity for his creation and rebukes division. He is not an author of confusion. Man creates culture which divides. Paul pled with the Corinthians that there be no divisions among them. Is Christ divided? Luke 11:17 - "But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth." Amos3:3, 2Corinthians6:14-17, Romans16:17, Mark3:25
---Steveng on 11/20/06


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Steveng; America was founded on diversity, pluralism. Freedom of religion is the bedrock of this nation. In the free market place of ideas, beliefs the individual has the FREEDOM to choose what he will accept. It was the lack of diversity that was the halmark of the 'dark ages' when only one religion was allowed, or even in protestant europe, where you were told when and what to believe.
---MikeM on 11/20/06


Steveng, God made diversity, but you will believe whatever you desire. Diversity does not cause people to be against each other, sin does, and sin does not come from God. True believers have the love of Christ in us, we love are colors and ethnics of people, and are not prejudicial racists as those of the world are. As the song goes, ~Red or yellow, black or white, they are precious in his sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world.
---Eloy on 11/20/06


People, friends and believers, there is only one truth and that is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. There is only one church and that is the one severly persecuted on this site. Can you guess what that is? Jesus said, "You will be persecuted bcos of me.I have not heard of anyone on this site say they are the truth..Perhaps you are ashamed to be known. I will shout it over the rooftops that the SDA is the true church of God Amen. The only true church is the one continually attacked for the truth.
---billy on 11/20/06


Eloy: God is not a god of diversity. Look around you. Look at what causes man to against each other. Man says, "We (one culture) are superior than you (another culture), therefore we shall war with you, conquer you, and kill you. Just look at what diversity has done throughout man's history. God separted the tongues so we could not continue building the Tower in which man tried to reach God.

Also, it's the diversity thing that divides the Christians.
---Steveng on 11/19/06


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Steveng, God also made woman in the Genesis of creation different from the man, they are not the same. And again God made the different languages, not man. It pleases God to have variety, how boring it would be if all life were exact replica's of each other, all looked exactly the same, all dressed one color and one design, all spoke only one word, ate only one food, offered the same one gift to God, played just one instrument, and worshipped God exactly the same way with no variation at all, yuk!
---Eloy on 11/18/06


Eloy: "every type in their kinds" was pertaining to the animals.

"whom made the diversity of tongues," ask yourself why God did that. Man did it upon himself. If humans were obeying God in the first place, he wouldn't have separated them as they were building the tower to reach God. It was man's disobedience that he diversified their tongues.
---Steveng on 11/17/06


Steveng, Recall the Genesis of creation whom is the one which makes every type in their kinds, and recall the tower of babel and whom made the diversity of tongues. God is the one who made diversity and different cultures and different kinds of churches, because he made different kinds of people, but you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 11/16/06


Eloy, Jared: Man created denominations. It's man who wars among each otherin denominations. It's man who creates cultures. It's man who wars among each other in cultures. Christianity is nothing more than a relationship between God and man and between man and man. God's purpose is to have a relationship with his creation. Just like it was before man fell.
---Steveng on 11/15/06


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emcee, This passage is not establishing Peter as any foundation for the church, but instead it is establishing what came out of Peter's mouth as the foundation, namely, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. The revelation of Jesus Christ's identity in this passage has nothing to do with the Godmade diversity within the Christian churches. Enough said, Praise be to God, for there are many different kinds of Christian churches because there are many different kinds of people.
---Eloy on 11/15/06


Eloy::Communist you say?well. If so, how do you explain Mat16;17-19. Jesus Christ is in the DRIVERS seat.He calls the shots & DIRECTION.Do we really need Back seat drivers?If you desire to ride HIS BUS he welcomes you,do this in Rememberance of me His bus does not have a flat IT IS ALL TRUTH.
---Emcee on 11/15/06


by my question I did not mean that we would enter into one denomination but that the splits would stop and the denomonations would be more accepting of others, I don't think God would bring us all under one denomination again, because he uses cultures and our denomonation is part of who we are, but it doesn't mean theology will not come together.
---Jared on 11/15/06


Jared writes: "do any of you think that there will be a joining together again of the denomonations?"

Not by man's attempts. There are over 34,000 denoms and 250 new ones created every day. There are 350 brands of Baptist churches alone, for example, and who knows how many who refer to their denoms as "non-denom". It would be humanly impossible for us to form a meeting of the minds with these kinds of odds against us.
---augua9846 on 11/15/06


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Ryan::Remember the parable when an enemy came at night & sowed weeds among the corn Jesus said wait till harvest. Then separate the good from the darnell & put the grain into barns & take the chaff & darnell & burn it.
---Emcee on 11/14/06


emcee, God is not a communist nor does he desire exact clones, he made each culture uniquely different and likes it that way. I have personally been to many many different Christian churches, and they are by no means the same. Some are indeed better than others, for they are witnessed to be more faithful to the New Testament Law than others are. Yet it is the same one Spirit of Christ within the many different denominations.
---Eloy on 11/14/06


Ryan, first let's go back to my original question which you never answered:

Who in your church would have the authority to confirm these truths that the Holy Spirit reveals through Scripture?

Tell me who, and how this would work.
---augusta on 11/14/06


augusta, the Holy Spirit is the leader Christ is the Head. We do not need leadership in the western sense of the word. We need fellowship and the bible is the supreme doctrine and authority. We are all bretheren so there is no need for a leader in the fleshly sense of the word. The Word of God decides conflicts and the bible is not left to interpretation of individuals it must be interpreted in the Spirit and since there is only one Spirit there is only one truth.
---Ryan on 11/14/06


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do any of you think that there will be a joining together again of the denomonations?
---Jared on 11/14/06


augusta, will you be so kind as to post the scripture that Jesus states there will be tares in His Church.
---Ryan on 11/14/06


Ryan, my 2nd post never made it so I'm posting again.

"It is not working because man strives to have control."

But what if one of the member's interpretation conficts w/ the rest? Who decides which is correct?

*shepherding the flock & guiding the congregation in the will of the Lord.*

And who is the one doing the shepherding & guiding if no man is in charge?

Btw Ryan, I had these same questions when I was a Prot. I admire you for seeking the answers.
---augusta on 11/14/06


"You say, "How can it work if man does not have control?" I say, "It is not working because man strives to have control."

WELL!!!! Amen :)
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06


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Eloy& Steveng:: "Sinuous Children"The same way God appointed His advocate & earthly successor to watch over HIS church & implement His teachings; I believe He Appointed PARENTS to watch over those sinuous children, so that they May NOT turn into Sinuous adults.
---Emcee on 11/14/06


*It would work by removing self, ego, flesh, and every other power that can be influenced by sin and it would be executed in 100% submission to the Holy Spirit.*

But Jesus said there would be tares in His church. So where are your tares? And what happens when one of the members say that the Holy Spirit led him to interpret a passage that conflicts with the others'?
---augusta on 11/14/06


#1 augua9846, even bringing people together under the name non-denominational is offensive to me. You ask:
"How would this system work exactly?"
And this is a fair question, so let me answer it.
---Ryan on 11/13/06


#2 augua9846, It would work by removing self, ego, flesh, and every other power that can be influenced by sin and it would be executed in 100% submission to the Holy Spirit. People would not ask, "How am I to get paid for my work?" and they would not misuse scripture and say, "Do not muzzle an ox while he is threshing," they would say, "I am blessed that the Lord has called me to His service."
---Ryan on 11/13/06


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#3 augua9846, Money would become a non-issue and the focus would be evangelism, discipleship, shepherding the flock & guiding the congregation in the will of the Lord. Get man out of the way and watch what the Holy Spirit can accomplish. You say, "How can it work if man does not have control?" I say, "It is not working because man strives to have control."
---Ryan on 11/13/06


Eloy::"Each member is uniquely different thus the diversity of denominations within the christian body"Is that what Jesus said be different?or did he say "be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect "he calls us ALL to be of ONE BODY in the father.Man has been offering excuses for his own selfish reasons in not worshiping God on His Terms But their own man made terms __NO NO NO he is the creator we bow to HIM,its HIS CHURCH, HIS CALL.HIS WORD WITHOUT END amen
---Emcee on 11/13/06


Steveng, There are also sinuous children, and they are no better than any adult when it comes to having a right relationship with God. Because many children are ignorant of right and wrong, therefore they can not be judged as harshly as an adult whom should know better than a child. Nevertheless the child is also held accountable for their own deeds or misdeeds, and will most assuredly be thrown into hell for their disobedience as readily as the sinuous adult. Please read II Kings 2:23,24.
---Eloy on 11/13/06


Eloy: Yes, children are sinners, the same with adults, but the children seem to be in one accord with Bible interpretation. Adults, one the other hand, are too educated to decipher the simple message of the Scriptures. Go ahead, ask any child, christians and non-Christians, and they will tell you that God simply wants an intimate relationship with his creation and He wants each of us to have relationship with each other. Do you carry a manual around to have a relationship with your worldly friends?
---Steveng on 11/13/06


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***augua9846, nice try. I am not saying my interpretation is superior to anyone elses.***

It sure appears that way, Ryan. You always ask leading questions regarding subjects you want to teach on. So explain your teaching to me. Do you believe bringing a group of believers together under no name makes it truly 'non-denominational'?

How would this system work exactly?

cont
---augua9846 on 11/13/06


2.***THere is only one way to interpret the bible and that is through the person that wrote it The Holy Spirit.***

So who has the authority to confirm these truths that the Holy Spirit reveals through Scripture?
---augua9846 on 11/13/06


augua9846, nice try. I am not saying my interpretation is superior to anyone elses. THere is only one way to interpret the bible and that is through the person that wrote it The Holy Spirit. His truth is the only truth and we must study and pray in the Spirit.
---Ryan on 11/13/06


Steveng::I agree with you.This is the result of Mankind making his own choices to his detriment God saw that & created one church Him as the head & appointed one overseer, but man did not want to be tied by His rules & like the Israelites made their own traditions doctrines & rules .RESULT Worse mess.People need to access their position & get back to the One true church HIS.What stops them PRIDE TO ADMIT ones Fault they hate confession.
---Emcee on 11/13/06


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Ryan, it doesn't matter if it has a name or not (denom, non-denom) the men who stated all these denominations were just like you; They believed *their interpretation* of Scripture was correct and everyone else's was wrong.

What you are putting forth is the *very same thing* you are protesting.
---augua9846 on 11/13/06


.emcee, When I showed that there are many different kinds of churches, just as there are different kinds of people, you denied this truth by misapplying scripture where Jesus speaks of all his sheep being one fold or one family. Though there is one family of God, each member in the fold or in the body of Christ is uniquely different, thus the diversity or denominations within the Christian body.
---Eloy on 11/13/06


SZteveng, many do believe what they desire, but not all, even children sin and believe what they desire over the truth. Those with itching ears who desire to believe only the smooth and pleasant things that God has said and exclude all the judgmental things that God has said are lost, for in order to have the beauty of the rose, you must accept it with its thorns also. God sets in front of us life and death, blessing and cursing, right and wrong, and he says, choose this day whom you will serve.
---Eloy on 11/12/06


Having different denominations is not wrong, but many denominations are unsound, for they take a few select verses from the Bible and build their denomination upon them. True Christian denominations will take the whole of the truth and build upon that, rather than only bits and pieces of the truth.
---Eloy on 11/12/06


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Denominations were created by man. There IS only one truth...that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died for our sins and the only way to God is through Jesus Christ. The bible is the truth (no beans about it). And the tithe IS biblical...It is called firstfruits. Exodus 23:16, 19; Leviticus 23:9-21. And yes, the gifts are gifts, you are not taught (speaking in tongues, interpreting tongues, prophesying, etc.).
---Helen on 11/11/06


Eloy ::I really dont know what I did or didn't do but your civil 2 para puts me at a disadvantage so what am In error of & what truth am I denying.I quoted Matt16;17-19& mat2818-20 both Gods words. I think we are on the wrong wave length.BTW did God create Non Denominational churches ?
---Emcee on 11/11/06


Tony, Emcee: The only reason why the Bible is complex is because man is way too educated to understand the simple message. A child doesn't have a problem interpreting the Scriptures.

Eloy: if everyone believed what they desired, every person in the world would have their own religion. Take ten adult and each one will interprete the bible in their own way. Take ten children and they will interprete the Bible the same. Amazing, eh?
---Steveng on 11/11/06


.emcee, You are denying the truth, for I have been to loud churches and quiet churches, to rich churches and poor churches. In reality there are many different kinds of churches today. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 11/11/06


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.emcee, btw, there are also many false churches today which are not even Christian at all, but they think that they are because they have Jesus in their religion. Jesus will say to these "so-called" christian people, Depart from me, for I never knew you, all you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these will go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
---Eloy on 11/11/06


There are some churches that have far out beliefs that are not in accord with the Holy Bible. The church I belong to is a non-denominational and all of our churches only believe what the Bible teaches us and the only one that we answer to is the Lord. Our minister doesn't preach, as such, but talks to us using Biblical Scripture all of the way.
---Norma7374 on 11/11/06


AH HA Tony::Now you hit the Nail on the Head-"now we need someone to interpret the bible for us, because it is too complex"That is what Jesus did in Mat16;17-19 & matt 28:18-20.One church one flock,one shepherd Jesus Chtist, one saviour, & Master of ALL.
---Emcee on 11/11/06


Our church is none denominational. People have often challenged me that they want to know what kind of Christians we are so it is important to know them by a name, like beans on the shelf in the store are marked so you know what kind of beans you are buying. But the Bible says there is only one church and it's not divided so there is no need to label the beans because they are all the same. Denominations are labels and they divide. They may have some good about them but they are not of God.
---john on 11/11/06


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every church has doctrine, every person has a system of theology, those that say they don't that's a doctrine.
---Jared on 11/11/06


you have a point. i don't agree with creating church doctrine at all. like as if the Bible is so complex that we need someone to interpret it for us? Paul said that we should not argue over minor things. there are people with different beliefs but their beliefs should be their own and not just regergitated from church doctrine.
---tony on 11/10/06


greetings.the question is very loose and broad.Abraham was accounted for righteousness and he knew not jesus.If you are asking if those who refuse the trinity doctrine(that which is traditional and standard among christian sects) are to be classed as satanic then whom have ye judged?honor and respect the trinity but who shall we worship other than the Father?
---earl on 11/10/06


How many of the churches written in the first three chapters of Revelation would you consider a denomination or a cult?
---Steveng on 11/10/06


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Eloy::The icecream dispensed by Jesus is ONE no flavours or favours. One flock, one shepherd, One God, & one Master of ALL.
---Emcee on 11/10/06


Paul strongly admonished the corinthians to stop entertaining other doctrines and to quit playing favorites with ministers. Notice: Now I beseech you, brethren that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions omong you, but that you be perfectly join together in the same mind and in the same judgment, Now this i say, that every one of you says, iam Paul, or apollos, or Cephes, or CHRIST, IS CHRIST DIVIDED? 1 Cor 1:10,12,13.
---winna on 11/10/06


Jesus said: "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me."

We know Jesus' prayer was answered and that perfect unity exists. It's humanly impossible for us to create it because there are far too many divisions. Therefore we have to find the source of perfect unity.
---augua9846 on 11/10/06


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