Forced Sunday Laws
Do you think that the Roman Catholic Church will unite with the USA Protestants to pass Sunday Laws, which forces everyone to keep Sunday holy? Do you think that the beast in Revelation is actually Rome and the papacy?
Moderator - Those were the laws that I grew up with in the South as a kid. They have long since ceased.
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Moderator: which laws are you talking about? there are 3 types of laws: The Ten Commandments of God given to mankind a manual for righteous living, The Mosaic Laws which contain ordinances and done away at the cross, then we have the Civil and Criminal Laws of the Bible..about 600 plus civil laws..which ones do you mean has ceased? |
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---pop on 4/10/08 |
Moderator - The laws you and I grew up with have not in fact ceased, they were never repealed, they are currently unenforced, as are many of the sodomy laws etc. They are brought back in full force when groups decide to do so, say in the case of gay marriage, then the ole' sodomy laws get new life. Same with the 'blue' laws of Sunday observence, it is all about timing. |
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---dan on 4/8/08 |
And of course, we have all read that Sister Ellen saw Enoch on the planet Jupiter. Obviously she had mental problem after having a stone in the face while a young girl and she suffered from bad health for years spending much of her time in sanitariums. |
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---Lee on 4/7/08 |
Jerry - *Oh, do you mean the ones the original "church" kept?
Sorry guy but any good student of church history will tell you that while the original church was Jewish & continued to follow the Mosaic laws & customs, the Gentile church by the beginning of the 2d century did not observe the OT Sabbath. Sorry you cannot accept that but it happens to be the truth. |
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---Lee on 3/31/08 |
Lee: "laws that are obsolete or non-applicable, such as the Levitical food laws, Sabbath observances, and the like that were not commanded of the church." Oh, do you mean the ones the original "church" kept? Such as:
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. |
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---jerry6593 on 2/26/08 |
*EGW never introduced new doctrine*
Perhaps I should have stated Ellen White & Company since much of what she beleived - Millers prediction, Investigative Judgment, closed door, war with England,that meat, eggs, & butter are aphrodistiacs, etc. are new doctrines or beliefs in the church.
You will not find any of the distinctive Adventists doctrines in that faith once for all delivered to the saints - Jude 3. |
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---Lee on 2/25/08 |
*You, on the other hand, invent new doctrines daily as needed to justify your willful disobedience to the Word of God.*
You really mean that disobedience to OT laws that are obsolete or non-applicable, such as the Levitical food laws, Sabbath observances, and the like that were not commanded of the church.
Like the head brethren of many Adventists, Satan always stands to accuse the brethren of Christ. Rev. 12:10 |
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---Lee on 2/25/08 |
(1) Lee: "Ellen White & Joe Smith OTOH introduced doctrines into the church not in that faith once for all delivered to the saints."
O contrare, Dr. Decepto. EGW never introduced new doctrine. Unlike you, she upheld the original doctrines (such as keeping God's Commandments, repentance for sin, etc.) "which were once delivered unto the saints." You, on the other hand, invent new doctrines daily as needed to justify your willful disobedience to the Word of God. |
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---jerry6593 on 2/23/08 |
(2) Lee: Do the following doctrines ring a bell?
Any of the Ten Commandments needn't be obeyed if you don't believe they constitute "moral" laws.
If it ain't in the New Testament, I don't have to worry about it.
An unclear or ambiguous quote from Paul's writings trumps all the words of Jesus and the prophets.
"Fulfill" means to destroy.
etc., etc., etc. .... |
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---jerry6593 on 2/23/08 |
Lee*The fact is the church in Jerusalem examined Paul and concluded his credentials were legit, and that should be sufficient. I would dearly love to see the transcripts of this so called "examination of Paul" by the church. What I have read you can to if you google "Clementine Homily 17:19" and read what the catholics state who Simon Magus really is. Now this makes sense. Put yourself in Peter's shoes--if Jesus commanded that Peter go to the gentiles then why did God need Paul? |
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---Dr._Rich on 2/22/08 |
jana - usually those that truly bear the truth and support what they content with Scripture can expect those that are contrary to accuse them of being of Satan. If fact that was a common accusation against Christ Himself.
John 8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
Those that have the gift of discernment can easily see where the opposition originates from, and Adventists are often accusers. |
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---Lee on 2/22/08 |
Lee: you continue to be unchristian on this site by lying your way around EGW..when truth is being preached, the devil always attack..and thats exactly what your doing. EGW preached of God and the whole truth so highly you wouldnt even mention it..stop your nonsense and hatred for the true teachings of EGW. Get a life mate..a true christian life..perhaps the Adventists may teach you the truth so go see them mate.. |
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---jana on 2/22/08 |
*Lee, Why don't you use the same test for Ellen White and Joseph Smith for Saul/Paul? If you did, perhaps you would agree with me that he too was a false prophet/apostle.*
The fact is the church in Jerusalem examined Paul and concluded his credentials were legit, and that should be sufficient.
Ellen White & Joe Smith OTOH introduced doctrines into the church not in that faith once for all delivered to the saints. Jude 3 and that should indicate their teachings came the pits of hell! |
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---Lee on 2/14/08 |
Lee, Why don't you use the same test you did for Ellen White and Joseph Smith for Saul/Paul? If you did, then perhaps you would agree with me that he too was a false prophet/apostle. You can't have it both ways. And EGW was NOT the founder of the SDA church! You can find what God said about her in Rev.2:18-28. Yes, I understand why you are angry over Ellen White, but get over it! |
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---Dr._Rich on 2/14/08 |
Thanks, Rhonda. I will have to try and recall a few more of her favorites. They come in handy now and again. ,-) |
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---frances on 2/14/08 |
Frances your Mom's saying is perfect ...put a smile on my face today ...'You are not out of the world yet.'
I like that ...and that's not a sarcastic liking
I'm so knee deep in the mud slinging on this site of so many love professing Christians ...so I have to be careful when I respond not knowing if someone is serious with their replies or their just playing and messing with everyone for their own twisted amusement ... |
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---Rhonda on 2/13/08 |
frances - *Beware of your words, Lee. There is power in the tongue and it is dangerous.*
You will find nearly everything I posted about Ellen White's mental / emotional problems well documented in the literature. So why would I regret telling others the truth, perhaps I will keep some of the blind from following the blind. |
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---Lee on 2/13/08 |
If anyone does not think that GOD takes His Appointed Days SERIOUSLY, is SERIOUSLY mistaken. GOD establishes things as HE wills. It is ARROGANCE on anyones part to try to dismiss what GOD has set up, in His Name, for His Glory. "Oh, foolish man, so frail and puny and here for so very short of time. And you fight against your Almighty Creator as if you were really any match. GOD sits on His Throne and LAUGHS." |
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---Gordon on 2/13/08 |
Yes, the Catholic Church is the biggest cult in the world with 8-9 billion (?) people in it. Poor deceived people and intellectually gifted Satanists. And everything in between. Some saints some sinners. The Pope is the Head of the Cult. It will bring on the One World Apostate Church through the WCC. |
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---frances on 2/12/08 |
gina - I also had a vision last night about that beast that came out of the sea but what really awaken me is that one of its heads looks like Ellen White. Remember now, visions come from God and even Joseph Smith can tell you that! LOL. |
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---Lee on 2/12/08 |
Beware of your words, Lee. There is power in the tongue and it is dangerous. You may live to regret words that are said to gain cheap points. As my mother would say 'You are not out of the world yet.' |
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---frances on 2/12/08 |
It is apparent that our Adventists friends are becoming disullusional with their silly belief that Satan will order anyone to worship God on any day of any week. Of course, that can be expected of those that follow a leader known for her mental health problems. |
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---Lee on 2/12/08 |
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Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Matthew 19:17 ...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Sunday worship among other non-Biblical doctrines were enforced by the RCC sometime during the 1200's ...more than 50 million humans were killed because they refused to compromise their beliefs one of which was the Sabbath day |
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---Rhonda on 2/11/08 |
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...this was what was known as the Holy Inquisition ...now known as the congregation of the doctrine of faith it lasted until the mid 19th century ...the Vatican has never apologized for these actions and those same laws used then are still in effect today ...the current Pope once headed this office
Sunday worship will be enforced again ...how soon ...only God knows....
Rev 12:6 reveals how true Christians fled into the wilderness to escape persecution of the RCC during those years |
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---Rhonda on 2/11/08 |
I believe a Pope will be the False Prophet who accompanies the Anti-Christ. This False Prophet will declare to the world that the Anti-Christ is really Jesus Christ. The Anti-Christ will hold his worship services on SUNDAYS. The Sunday "church" service is where people will receive the Mark of the Beast. A chip implant, a tattoo or WHATEVER. The Name of Jesus Christ will no longer be Anointed and YAHUSHUA will be the Name to call on for Salvation. And SATURDAY will be GOD's Worship Day. |
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---Gordon on 2/10/08 |
Who is the beast? 1.Receives its "seat" authority from Rome. Rev 13:4
2. Rules the world for 1260 years (538AD to 1798AD)
3.Then receives a deadly wound which later heals Rev 13:3/
4.Is both a political/religious power which is worshipped. Rev 13:4
5. Tampered with God's law. Dan 7:25
6. Has a leader who claims to be God on earth/able to forgive sins(blasphemy)Rev 13:1/
7. Is a mother church(daughters have come out of her) Rev 17:5
8. Made war with the saints Rev 13:7 |
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---Gina7 on 2/9/08 |
9. Is a world power which is wondered at Rev 13:3,4
10. Has a "man" at the head of it with the number of his name being 666. Rev 13:18
11. Has a dreaded "mark" which will cause you, or any person, to be cast into the Lake of Fire and lose eternal life. Rev 14:8,10
Can you now determine from these clues who the Beast is? If you have guessed the Papacy,
you are correct. The man at the head is the Pope. |
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---Gina7 on 2/9/08 |
The beast in Revelation is the Roman Catholic Church. I believe the Antichrist and/or the False Prophet will come from the RCC. Steer clear of any moves for unity especially when it is with the RCC. |
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---Helen_5378 on 1/30/08 |
This is not a theocracy, and as such, there is no reason for us to have "Blue Laws" as they were called here. Jesus healed on the Sabbath.
I work every other Sunday, and have no problem doing so. I miss participating in my church's worship, and the fellowship, but my patients need care, and I feel called to be there for them. |
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---Madison1101 on 5/3/07 |
Same here Mod.,I'm also originally from the South. No movie theaters were open on Sunday. The stores that were open could only sell certain needed items.
As my Mother told us "we were to do no 'servile' work on Sunday," that included sewing! |
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---NV_Barbara on 11/16/06 |
The commercialization of Sunday has been dramatic over the last 100 years, but we can note that every time there is a major disaster, then we hear the cry--God is punishing because of our sins. Many people are willing to give up their liberties for what they think will be security. My point is simply that we cannot trust what we might reason out or see today. History has time and again revealed that the bitterest enemies have united when faced with the Truth--see the scribes and Pharisees against Christ. |
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---Wayne87 on 11/13/06 |
**For whether there will be a union to enforce Sunday, all one needs to do is look back at the history of Sunday closing laws in America and see who stood shoulder to shoulder in making, passing, and enforcing them.**
Have you noticed how non-commercial Sunday is now, or have you been absent from the USA for the last several decades? |
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---Jack on 11/13/06 |
Emcee - *This I believe Man must remove HIS Pride & put on the cloak of humility*
True, and the one that calls himself the Vicar of Christ can do just that. |
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---lee on 11/12/06 |
A vast amount of assumption supposition have passed on this subject& like its quoted here,that the "split between RCC& other denominations is permanent"The word of God stands Heaven & earth may pass way but not one word I said will change not one iota.What may seem like an impossibility is possible to God.This I believe Man must remove HIS Pride & put on the cloak of humility |
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---Emcee on 11/12/06 |
The split between Roman Catholicism and other denominations is rather permanent as their theological veiws simply cannot be reconciled.
In our secular society, there is a total distrust of religions and that will continue even to the end times.
On the other hand, it is possible that as the church becomes more apostate and corrupt, that Biblical Christianity will largely die out paving the way for a more philosophical world religion of 'one size fits all'. |
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---lee on 11/12/06 |
It is interesting to note that Luther and other of the great reformers believed that the beast was actually the Roman Catholic Church.
For whether there will be a union to enforce Sunday, all one needs to do is look back at the history of Sunday closing laws in America and see who stood shoulder to shoulder in making, passing, and enforcing them. |
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---Wayne87 on 11/12/06 |
Good question, Lee.
Actually, yes. The questions and assumptions (and many answers to common questions) are different for Eastern Christians.
There have been books written on this subject, and to try to elaborate in just 85 words is a fool's errand.
I could suggest THE ORTHODOX CHURCH by Timothy Ware (now Bishop Kallistos). |
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---Jack on 11/11/06 |
Jack - *The historical fact is that Protestantism & Evangelicalism are children of the Roman Church, sharing the same assumptions & asking the same questions, though answers are different.*
Why just go back to the establishment of the Roman Catholic church and say instead that all churches and all believers are children of the church established at Pentecost 'sharing the same assumptions and asking the same questions, though the answers are different.'?
Is your church really much different? |
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---lee on 11/11/06 |
**Also, I am in no way related to the RCC.**
Denial changes nothing, Helen.
The historical fact is that Protestantism and Evangelicalism are children of the Roman Catholic Church, sharing the same assumptions and asking the same questions, though the answers are different.
Like mother, like daughter. (Ez 16:44-45) |
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---Jack on 11/11/06 |
Jack - Hi. I do not believe that this pope is the antichrist or false prophet.
Also, I am in no way related to the RCC. I am a child of God, and I am in Christ. I do not label myself, except to say that I am a born-again Christian. |
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---Helen_5378 on 11/10/06 |
the women riding the scarlet beast is a city as it says in Revelations. and the seven head are seven hills. Rome is one of the only cities in the world that is built on seven distinct hills. the head of the Catholic church is in Rome. the Catholics color of preference is scarlet right. and whatever the priest says is supposedly God's will right? are we setting ourselves up for desaster? |
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---tony on 11/10/06 |
**The beast in Revelation is the Roman Catholic Church. I believe the Antichrist and/or the False Prophet will come from the RCC.**
If this is so, Helen, what does this make her Protestant daughters? |
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---Jack on 11/10/06 |
**Helen ... the authoritativeness with which you say "The beast in Revelation is the Roman Catholic Church" sounds a little bit like the infallibility claimed by the Pope. **
To claim the Pope is the Antichrist is to give him a spiritual and prophetic significance which he just does not have.
"The Pope is the Antichrist" is nothing but the flip side (inversion, if you like) of "The Pope is the Vicar of Christ." |
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---Jack on 11/10/06 |
wat should i do and not do on a sunday? |
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---jamea5375 on 11/10/06 |
Sammy: Reread my original post. I said "I miss participating in my church's worship, and the fellowship, but my patients need care, and I feel called to be there for them." I did not say I don't feel bad not being at church. I just believe that I am called to also minister in the place I work every other weekend. I care about my patients and believe I am to be there for them as well. |
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---Madison1101 on 11/10/06 |
Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. |
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---eliza4969 on 11/10/06 |
Madisson:
i think not feeling bad about missing your church service depends on the relationship you have with christ, christ didnt heal every sunday. Also know that he also gave you that job, so give him time
MODERATOR:
I think its a wrong concept what you mentioned, the fact that is hasnt happened does not nullify the fact that its possible, didnt you grow up that christ will return, your granpa telling the same story but does that nullify that he shall return,See how Rome gets somuch attention |
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---Sammy on 11/10/06 |
This is one of the paranoid delusions of EGW and the SDA--that the RCC, and and that nasty ole pope feller are the beast of Revelation, and the False Prophet is the USA with its nasty ole Sunday blue laws.
Has anyone but me noticed the complete commercilization of Sunday over the last 30 years? |
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---Jack on 11/10/06 |
Part 2:
The Bible clearly says that denial that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is the spirit of Antichrist.
Whatever the RCC and Papacy might do, this is not it.
Anyone who knows anything about the signs of the times and history knows that Islam is the antichrist. |
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---Jack on 11/10/06 |
Helen ... the authoritativeness with which you say "The beast in Revelation is the Roman Catholic Church" sounds a little bit like the infallibility claimed by the Pope. |
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---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/10/06 |
I believe it's all a matter of the level of conviction in your heart and that no matter what day you choose to spend with the Lord, resting your soul, praying, fasting, worshipping, it's all a matter of the position of your heart. Some are convicted to do it on Sunday, some are convicted to do it on Saturday. I love Sat. night worship services, but can't find any in my area. I also love Football on Sunday!!! |
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---Donna9759 on 11/10/06 |
You can't force people to keep any day Holy. And you definitely can't legislate that here in America. People have free will as to what days they want to keep Holy. |
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---grace3869 on 11/9/06 |
I grew up in Dallas when there was a move to repeal the blue laws, the First Baptist Church Dallas, claimed it was a communist plot and a sign of the end times. But you couldnt get to the cafeteria after church for the glut of Baptist. I miss having things closed on Sunday. In godless Europe most things are still closed on Sunday. |
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---randy on 11/10/06 |
After reading the above again i realised that it is very possible considering that we are all came from RCC, and formed other churches. So it really wont carry any weight to us except those that worship on Saturday, like SDA- seventh day Baptist etc |
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---Megg on 11/10/06 |
I thought the Beast WAS the Anti-Christ. |
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---Kay on 11/10/06 |
I have heard theories of the Roman Catholic Church being sybolized, in Revelation, by the harlot that sits upon the seven headed ten horned beast [(Enter Polka Music)It was a seven headed, ten horned flying purple people eater (Music and words continue and fade)]. I don't know if that is true but, it is a provocative theory. Won't Israel only recognize a son of Israel as the Messiah? So in order for the Nation of Israel to recognize the pope as the messiah, wouldn't the pope have to be Jewish? |
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---Ryan on 11/9/06 |
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