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The Great Falling Away

Is the Great Falling Away mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 talking about the rapture or that the church has become apostate?

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That's debatable, glen.

I know from my own work in translating liturgical texts (a task not unlike translating the Bible) that this is an art and not a science.

As one eminent translator of the Bible said, "Words are living things with quantities of meanings. One cannot always give an exact equivalent for one word in a language to another, especially when dealing with ancient literature as the Bible, in the same one can change a French coins into British ones."

For example, should "baptizo" be rendered as dip, dye, wash--or simply transliterated as "baptize"?

Should "biblios" be rendered as book, scroll, codex, or Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/14/11


pastor herb and shira

what u said is preposterous and and untrue be very careful

prove that the kjv is the only one

for every ones information the most accurate translation these days is the YOUNGS LITERAL

it's called literal for a reason and you should google it

it is without a doubt the most true to the greek manuscripts as can be possible compared to other bibles
---glen on 6/14/11


JOhn .. You say it (the KJV) "was eventually toss-out by the British in 1879.

Strange it is still used and published here!
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/14/11


Doesn't it bother you to say things that have no basis in reality, John?

1. What is called the KJV in the USA was NEVER called "revised Bible" in Great Britain, but rather the Authorized Version (AV).

2. There were FOUR, not 7-9 revisions of the KJV/AV, the last being in 1769, though ABS published a recension normalized according to American spellings in 1904.

3. The English Revised version was 1881, and never replaced the KJV/AV in popularity in UK.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/14/11


the original - apostasia , means a revolt, defection from truth, a RELIGIOUS departure

this is the only meaning that can be found in a greek lexicon
---glen on 6/14/11




Interesting...
The Great Bible (1540) translates 'Iacobos' as 'Iames'.
As does the Geneva Bible(1583).
And the Bishop Bible(1568)
And KJV (1611)
Matthew Bible (1549)
Coverale Bible (1535)
Tyndale Bible (1534)
Wycliff Bible (1385) translates 'James'.
Do we have an English translation that doesn't use 'James' or 'Iames'?
Are all English translations 'not Bibles'?
Interesting concept John, but without merit.
Shall we go over the other 'suposed' errors?
---micha9344 on 6/12/11


The KJV was NOT a Bible but a revision of the Anglican "Great Bible".
It was the first Secular written bible and was so full of errors/inaccuracies that King James refused to put his name on it(Called The Revised Bible in the UK).

It was subsequently revised 7-9 times and was eventually toss-out by the British in 1879.

It became popular in the U.S. only because ignorant Americans are intrigue with "Ole English" and thought the Thees and Thous sounded "Holy" LOL!

Today we even have KJV cults. Now over 400 years obsolete/out of date. (No new findings (i.e.Dead Sea Scrolls/others).

With Hundreds of errors, It was an complete failure!
(I.E. There is no one called JAMES in the bible)
---John on 6/11/11


\\Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society ... \\

Bible societies had an agenda beyond merely distributing Bibles. Many were promoting non-Christian doctrine and were supported by Masons.

\\Pope Leo XII, in January 1850, admitted the fact that the distribution of Scripture has "long been condemned by the holy chair."\\

What is your source for this, Samuel? Pope Leo XII was not alive in 1850, and Leo XIII was not in office until later.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/9/11


steveng: You are right about the Holy Spirit being the most important element of the equation. There is no spiritual understanding without the Holy Spirit since spiritual things are not discerned by the natural man. This is why atheists can read the Bible without the spirit and get nothing out of it.

What is really important is do you understand what you are reading and also do you actually apply it to your life and live it out. Head knowledge is not enough. It needs to penetrate your heart and change you.
---poopsey on 6/9/11


Willa, I agree with your answer very much. Most of Tyndale's Bible is in the KJV. Most of the others were burned by the Church.
---Mark_V. on 6/9/11




Steveng,

The KJV was another translation with 4/5 before it. One of the motivating factors was the popularity of the Protestant Geneva bible and the horrible scholarship of the Church of England's Bishop bible. It is not that it is any better, it is just the Geneva bible was banned I believe 16-20yrs later. Also over 84% is the exact wording of the Tyndale translation 100yrs earlier. There are over 5000 manuscripts now compared to the under 20 used with the KJV. Scholarship in languages and the history of the culture are essential to understanding properly a great deal of scripture.
---willa5568 on 6/8/11


What about just reading, understanding, and meditating on the words of God. Does it matter what man has said about the bible? Colossians 2:8-10. We know that the OT is correct by just the scrolls. We know that the NT is correct by just the witnesses. All of God's words are his and you all are bickering about what man has to say about them and leaving out the most important element of your equation - the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy spirit who leads a person to the truth not man. You have to admit that the KJV bible is the correct version and is spiritual in nature. What other book in the history of the world is the most popular, but the least read. That, in itself, is a supernatural paradox.
---Steveng on 6/8/11


\\The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, ... he shall not receive absolution till he has given it..."

Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society ...

Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846) railed "against the publication, distribution, reading, and possession of books of the holy Scriptures translated into the vulgar tongue."\\

Of course, the Roman Catholic Douay/Rheims version was a result of the Council of Trent and predates the KJV. Did you know that?

The DR was published with the permission of the RCC.
---Cluny on 6/8/11


\\Mary Tudor operated in the will and spirit of the RCC. The habit of burning heretics and the use of Crusades to kill those who disagged with them is well established in History. \\

And Protestants did similar things to Roman Catholics when they got the chance.

Under Elizabeth, Catholic men were hanged, drawn, and quartered, and Catholic women were pressed to death.

Meanwhile, Orthodox got it from both sides--to say nothing about how mahometans treated us.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/8/11


The councils word was implimented throughout Europe by the RCC.

The decision was reaffirmed by THE COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE (1229)

The Council of Trent (1545-1564) The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, ... he shall not receive absolution till he has given it..."

Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society ...

Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846) railed "against the publication, distribution, reading, and possession of books of the holy Scriptures translated into the vulgar tongue."

Pope Leo XII, in January 1850, admitted the fact that the distribution of Scripture has "long been condemned by the holy chair."
---Samuel on 6/8/11


\\The laity was not considered able to understand the Bible properly.\\

There are a lot of people here who don't understand the Bible properly, don't you think?

In any case, the council you mentioned was a local council.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/7/11


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Samuel,

the Protestant church was not much different (Calvin, Luther etc.) who did the same types of persecution including burning people they considered heretics.It was as always, about control.
---willa5568 on 6/7/11


Dear Cluny

Mary Tudor operated in the will and spirit of the RCC. The habit of burning heretics and the use of Crusades to kill those who disagged with them is well established in History.

The bible were all those not in Latin. The laity was not considered able to understand the Bible properly. As one woman told me it does not matter what the Bible says her Priest lets her know what is truth.

Do a guick internet search Cluny. You will find many more examples.

Sometimes those who did not turn in their Bibles could be burned with them or buried alive with them.
---Samuel on 6/7/11


Cluny,

In many cases I have no question I do. And there are others I cannot say with certainty that I do. One thing though, I am willing to learn and examine all aspects of the teachings I am not certain of. Are you so certain your understanding of everything is correct that you would first argue what you are taught instead of examining by scripture what the others have presented as correct?
---willa5568 on 6/7/11


\\Each one has the right doctrine and all of the others don't.
---willa5568 on 6/6/11\\

Don't you think that YOU have the right doctrine, willa?

if you don't think you do, why do you believe things you think are false.

**The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:
**

I would like to know the historical context of this canon, Samuel. It might be referring to defective texts, or those believed defective, as monasteries had been copying the Scriptures for centuries before the invention of the printing press.

And Mary Tudors rule was done by the state, NOT the Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/7/11


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Cluny,

forgive me, I misread your post. You are correct about the burning of bibles but catholics ,protestants and the church in general cannot deny the bloody past for the purpose of having control and power. That's what my point is about how childish the church is, not each individual. Each one has the right doctrine and all of the others don't.
---willa5568 on 6/6/11


2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

There is only one verse in scripture that mentions GIVE/HEART/JESUS.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/11


Since those who are saved cannot fall away, this verse means that which is stated in 2 Timothy 3, those who DENY the POWER within. You see, those saved KNOW from that moment they receive Christ that HIS POWER is working in and through us. HIS LIFE, not ours.

The falling away is the falling away from the doctrine of redemption through His Blood, and being Saved by HIS LIFE, His risen life IN US.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/11


I found the following.

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days, so that they may be burned..."- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD, 2nd Cannon
Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910

Inquisition archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books, which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read or possess on pain of execution. The Inquisition itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book By Jude WebberROME

Check the History of Queen Mary Tudor of England
---Samuel on 6/6/11


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\\that was the church of england though which separated from the RCC.\\

I never said it wasn't.

But I was asking for historical examples--not mere accusations--of the Roman Catholic Church burning Bibles.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/6/11


Kathr, if you had read the passage you would know he was talking about the antichrist already in the church. Who dare to strip Christ of His deity. Who proclaim to be save, yet never giving their hearts to Christ. preaching another gospel. One which has no repentance or remorse for the rebellion against God. Sooner or later they will leave, to manisfest to us they were not of us. Us is the Elect of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/11


Cluny ... You say "When the KJV was first released, radical Puritans in England called it the Devil's Bible, burned it in the streets, and continued to use the Geneva Bible"

Like Mark, I can find no historical support whatsoever for your claim

Can you please give your references?
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/6/11


//Many are apostate learning the Truth but never really giving their hearts to Christ.//Mark_V

I am curious about this statement. Where in scripture are we to give our hearts to Christ. We are asked to receive Jesus Christ, (into our Heart)..

How can one make that statement, and also deny the Spirit of God indwells the believer, and also deny Christ In you.

God never asked we give Jesus our heart. God promised us a NEW HEART upon receiving Jesus Christ, and then asks we surrendering our bodies a living sacrifice.
Romans 12:1 & 2
---kathr4453 on 6/6/11


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Cluny,

that was the church of england though which separated from the RCC.
---willa5568 on 6/5/11


\\We are babes who cannot handle but milk and have done just as the Corinthian church still not coming to a state of maturity.
---willa5568 on 6/5/11\\

Speak for yourself, willa.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/11


//Many are apostate learning the Truth but never really giving their hearts to Christ.//Mark_V

Sad part is that not many people even know what that means anymore. They think being a Christian gives them permission to be an elitist, arrogant jerk.

So many modern day Pharisees now. If you teach men Jesus Christ didnt shed his blood for them and claim the love of Christ is in you, then you are simply a liar and have fooled yourself. God is not bitter.

Its just a sign of the times (I suppose) when people can't identify REAL love. True love does not seek to serve itself. It serves others. Jesus Christ was a servant.
This is our God and this is why He deserves our praise!
---Jasheradan on 6/5/11


Cluny, you must correct yourself since what you have been saying is not in History. I suppose you bypass the deaths of Huss, Tyndale, Jarome, and those and many other people who translated the Bible into English who then were burned alive by the church, and all the copies of Scripture were burned also. in a time where they could not conclude who was going to be pope, and a time when the Church had the power not the pope. Huss objected to clerical concubinage. History tells of the evil done through those man who proclaimed to be speaking for God.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/11


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They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"
---Mark_V. on 6/5/11

I find this verse means there are those who first professed Jesus Christ, but as time went on, their true beliefs were revealed. professing to be christians deny that the very Spirit of God indwells the believer, and also denies that Jesus Christ is IN US.

These are what is called apostates..those who have fallen away from the true doctrines of redemption.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/11


Let me correct myself.

When the KJV was first released, radical Puritans in England called it the Devil's Bible, burned it in the streets, and continued to use the Geneva Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/11


Cluny,

your right, they didn't burn the bibles, they burned and murdered the ones who turned others from their teaching just as the reformers did when they had the power to do so. That's what has given a churches doctrine preminence over obedience to Christ.There is no meekness or humility only force and control. We are babes who cannot handle but milk and have done just as the Corinthian church still not coming to a state of maturity.
---willa5568 on 6/5/11


\\Yet God has kept a remnant for Himself all through the ages even when the Bibles were been burned by the RCC. \\

What proof do you have of this, Mark V?

The only Bible burnings I know of were done by mahometans and the Christian soldiers of the USA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/11


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Samuel, thank you for the wise words. It will not change the minds of those who bash the Church of Christ. Many have tried to destroy the gathering of believers. Yet God has kept a remnant for Himself all through the ages even when the Bibles were been burned by the RCC. Many are apostate learning the Truth but never really giving their hearts to Christ. We were warned,

"Little Children, it is the last hour and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrist have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"
---Mark_V. on 6/5/11


Stevenq:
You said: "Many of you have the knowledge of God, but deny his power."

What do you understand it means by "deny His power"?
---Haz27 on 6/5/11


\\There were no denominational church during the time of Christ and during the first three hundred years. \\

You're right. They were all Orthodox Christians.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/4/11


steveng,

I agree with what you say about many who call themselves Christian. I do have one question though. Considering you said there was no denominations in Jesus' time, which would mean they are unnecessary today, what church are you speaking of leaving? I have had to leave all of the churches I attended because I will not accept parts of their "constitutions" and am not able to be part of others for the same reason. I have no problem fellowshipping with them but they on the other hand will not do so with what they call a "heretic". Yet Jesus is my teacher and I have constant fellowship with him everyday and pray and search for some semblance of this need from my brothers. Does this mean I have left the church?
---willa5568 on 6/4/11


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What I'm about to post may not set right with many of you and may be difficult for you to believe.

Many of you on these blogs will leave the church for one reason or another.
The coming tribulation will test your spirit. God again will see the wickedness in this world. Many of you have already put on sheeps clothing. Many will not be able to stand the persecutions. Many of you have kept up your worldly thoughts. Some of you will cleave to your worldly goods. Some of you will continue to have pleasure in unrighteousness. Some of you will claim to be christians, but are not. Many of you have the knowledge of God, but deny his power. some of you will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
---Steveng on 6/4/11


Samuel: "The visible church or denomination can become apostate and many people have. But the true core of true believers will stand firm."

There were no denominational church during the time of Christ and during the first three hundred years. The warnings in the New Testament were directed at true christians.
---Steveng on 6/4/11


I believe the problem is with the term true church.

People in any church can become apostate.

But there is a teaching which I agree with that there is an invisible church made up of all true beleivers in heart.

The visible church or denomination can become apostate and many people have. But the true core of true believers will stand firm.
---Samuel on 6/4/11


//kathr4453: "The True Church, which is Christ Body can never become apostate."//

Amen Kath
---michael_e on 6/4/11


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Mark,

FOR THE MYSTERY ALREADY IS WORKING OF LAWLESSNESS ONLY HE WHO RESTRAINS AT PRESENT UNTIL OUT OF MIDST HE BE ,AND THEN WILL BE REVEALED THE LAWLESS ,WHOM THE LORD WILL CONSUME"

This is the Greek translated to English not a bible translation such as the King James etc.

scripture says Christ will not return(the second coming,not a rapture into heaven) until the man of sin is revealed, which means he much come out and show who he is. And when he does Christ will destroy him. You are free to disagree, but I believe I have given a plain explanation coming from much study and reading on the subject, not limited to what you are saying which I once would agree with.
---willa5568 on 6/4/11


Ginomai, the greek word translated "out of" is defined as- to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage, and the translation "the way" should be the midst or from among, for the word refers to the middle of something. In vs. 3 it say "that day will not set in(the second coming) except the revolt come first" which is the focus of the passage not what is holding back the man of lawlessness.This revolt is referring to the man of lawlessness coming into history and is made known which must happen before the second coming of Christ can occur, which is why restrain as in to hinder or hold back is used.
---willa5568 on 6/4/11


Willa, I'm sorry to disagree with you on this point it is good to find the Truth to the passage. You said,
"The one who restrains the coming of the Lord must come out of the midst and be revealed, then the rest is self explanatory"
Sorry but the one who restrains is not the enemy. He could never restrain Christ, no one can.
1. The antichrist was already starting to work in Paul's day (2 Thess. (v.7)
2. Something was restraining this horrible, developement of evil (v. 5-7).
3. As soon as the restrint was removed, antichrist would be revealed (v. 7-8).
4. This antichrist will continue until the visible return of Jesus Christ (v.8).
5. Then Christ will destroy the antichrist and gather His Church (v. 1,8).
---Mark_V. on 6/4/11


kathr4453: "The True Church, which is Christ Body can never become apostate."

On the contrary, there are many warnings in the new testament to christians about backsliding and the consequenses. Paul tells us to take heed, lest we fall. Today's christains can easily fall away because they are not grounded in the word of God. To be truly grounded is to read the bible from beginning to end several times through the eyes of a child instead of a verse here and a verse there skipping the heart of the Word. The great delusion in the end times is when christians think they are christians, but are not. These are the denominational churches.
---Steveng on 6/2/11


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the word falling away can be understood several ways. One being revolt or rebellion, which considering the context, would reveal what is being said. The man of sin leads the revolt and sits in the temple and calls himself god. There is no context for it to refer to the church falling away. The focus of the passage is the day of the Lord, Jesus' second coming. He was telling them this was restraining the second coming not the rapture restraining the revealing of the man of sin.
---willa5568 on 6/1/11


{FOR THE MYSTERY ALREADY IS WORKING OF LAWLESSNESS ONLY "THERE IS" HE WHO RESTRAINS AT PRESENT UNTIL OUT OF "THE" MIDST HE BE "GONE",AND THEN WILL BE REVEALED THE LAWLESS "ONE",WHOM THE LORD WILL CONSUME}

This shows the words in the Greek and the ones not. Notice the words in parentheses. These are not in the Greek text. So it would read:

"FOR THE MYSTERY ALREADY IS WORKING OF LAWLESSNESS ONLY HE WHO RESTRAINS AT PRESENT UNTIL OUT OF MIDST HE BE ,AND THEN WILL BE REVEALED THE LAWLESS ,WHOM THE LORD WILL CONSUME"

The one who restrains the coming of the Lord must come out of the midst and be revealed, then the rest is self explanatory.
---willa5568 on 6/1/11


Cluny you sure stick to your guns. :)

The RCC would hate your definition. It does have some validity.

On the other hand I believe the Protestants at first tried to get back to the center of all truth the Bible. For unless a doctrine agrees with the bible it cannot be sustained as truth. Doctrines that are opposed by the bible cannot be accepted as truth.

There is a falling away going on right now with many people disbelieving the bible.
---Samuel on 5/25/11


There are many millions of Islamists in Europe. Even European newspapers admit that all of the mosque-buildings in Europe are getting out of hand!

Sighs.
---Protestant on 5/24/11


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There were some whom have heard that the rapture had already happened, but Paul assured them that that is not so, for the falling away from the truth will happen first and the antiChrist will appear before Christ's second coming. Remember our Lord's own words, that it will be like in Noah's day and in Sodium and Amorrah's day, being of great wickedness across the land, before Christ will come and deliver his Christians up from off this world, and then the wicked world will be completely engulfed by fire.
---Eloy on 2/22/11


We today are in the midst of this great falling away. Churches are becoming more apostate with every passing day.
---mima on 2/22/11


\\Did the Great Falling Away start with Luther?
---John.usa on 1/23/11\\

It started in 1054 when the Papacy fell away from the mother Orthodox Church.

The Protestant Reformation didn't come any closer, but just added error upon error.
---Cluny on 2/21/11


The version Rev. Herb is referring is the one authorized by a Holy God. The others are a perverted version written by man to remove the diety of Christ to mens level.
---shira3877 on 2/22/11


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Pastor Herb,
Which version of the authoized version are you talking about?
---James_L on 2/21/11


Pastor Herb. Tell us again the ways in which non-KJV Bibles mislead us?
---alan8566_of_UK on 2/21/11


A lot of the falling away is caused by apostate bibles that people have gone to instead of the KJV
---Pastor_Herb on 2/21/11


Yes, steveng I have read the parable and all you state. As the Good ground is the NEW HEART given under the New Covenant, we see we do bear fruit, some 100% some 70% and some30%. And no where does the good ground fall away.

As we see the Joel Osteen crowd and many who profess Christianity don't profess the Christianity of scripture.

Just because one professes Christianity or that THEY are the elect doesn't mean it's true.

1 Peter 4 separates the TRUE from the imposters!
---kathr4453 on 1/24/11


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Did the Great Falling Away start with Luther?
---John.usa on 1/23/11


kathr4453: "The True Church, which is Christ Body can never become apostate."

Have you not read the parable of the Sower? Or the end time prophesy where a strong delusion will encompass the world that even the elite, if it were possible, could be fooled into believing it. So, dont let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on mens thoughts and ideas, instead of what Christ has said. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body, so you have everything when you have Christ, and you are filled with God through your union with Christ. He is the highest ruler, with authority over every other power.
---Steveng on 1/23/11


The True Church, which is Christ Body can never become apostate.

Apostasy is when the Gospel is no longer the Gospel of Scripture, where men have changed teh Creator into a creature and worship the creature more than the creator. This is what is happening today. Just like in the time of Noah.

AND just like in the time of Noah, God will warn of His wrath to come, and men will laugh and scoff. And just like in the time of Noah, God's wrath will come.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


the falling away- deeds, actions, words, busy bodies meddling in other people affairs, gossiping, backstabbing,sowing strife, division, hatred, intollerence, greed, lies, swindling, exploiting, extortion, how they treat the needy, sick, elderly among them or those who have less $$$$ or incomes or cant afford to give them$$$$ and the 2 hour stage act and the rest of the time running afoot doing the above things and being jerks is what is causing people to walk away from church and walk away from god. there wont be a hope for such people in the end of days.
---jk on 1/20/11


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The Great Falling Away is happening today. It is where people start believing in every thing and anything, even though it is NOT in the Bible, as being truth. The ONLY TRUTH is found in God's Word - whether you believe it or not, or are offended by it or not. "Seeker Friendly Churches" are a great example of this. They teach you "self-esteem" messages, but NOT the Bible. Joel Osteen is the biggest of the "Seeker Friendly Churches".
---Leslie on 9/23/08


Catholics thought that during the reformation. I would be pretty unsure if we could call today the great falling away. I might be true, I think we should be living for Christ, serving him in our communities and not worry about the End. I will say that I really don't think it's the Great falling away today, because those that we would call fallen away are actually still searching for God. And many are still finding him (they just don't like how the Church has been in the past,and they have a point)
---Jared on 9/22/08


Alan, That Great Falling Away(Which is happening now!), starts occuring before the Rapture takes place. That "man of sin"(the anti-Christ) will reveal himself after the Rapture. At this present time the Holy Spirit is with-holding him from revealing himself, but once the Holy Spirit leaves with the Bride, nothing will be with-holding him(the anti-Christ). I hope this helps.(2 Thessalonians 2) God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/27/07


2Thessalonians 2:3 speaks of the great Apostasy. It is saying that the second coming of the Lord and the Rapture of the church will not occur until the Apostasy and the Antichrist is revealed happen first.
---Helen_5378 on 11/20/06


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Alan, I believe it's talking about apostasy.
---kathr4453 on 11/19/06


the belief in a rapture of Christians before the bad things happening will be part of the falling away. the pretrib crowd will think the Bible is false when they find themselves going thru the Trib. Christians will go thru it
---r.w. on 11/18/06


The verse refers to an abandoning of the truth concerning the end times based on a wide spread deception. A deception that will/has opened the door to the receiving & acceptance of the spurious messiah. The apostate "church" are the advocators of the deceptive doctrine which of course they conform to & it will result in a separating of the wheat from the tares through the "Strong delusion" sent of the Father.
---joseph on 11/17/06


To fall away from The teachings of Christ is to be apostate
---Emcee on 11/16/06


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IMHO the falling away started in Eden in the OT a sad tragedy & accelerated with the Reformation,in the NT.& developed express speeds with the denominations But that is my gut feeling & just an opinion.
---Emcee on 11/15/06


IMHO the falling away started in Eden in the OT a sad tragedy & accelerated with the Reformation,in the NT.& developed express speeds with the denominations But that is my gut feeling & just an opinion.
---Emcee on 11/15/06


Please read the scripture. The question is the scripture refering to the Rapture or a Great Falling Away? Thanks.
---Alan on 11/15/06


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