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Did Pharaoh Have A Choice

Considering this quote "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:" can we say that Pharaoh did not have any choice.

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It wouldn't be fair to not have allowed him to ever have a choice. But I believe Pharaoh had already made it, like Judas. And now God was going to use him as He wishes.
---john on 4/30/07


Laure, so what years are we talking about? What years do David Rohl uses? The 12th Dynasty is before Abraham's entry into Egypt. Please help me with this. In 1 Kings 6:1 Solomon took power about 970 or 976 B.C.E. If you add 480 years to that you have a date of 1450 B.C. etc. This is one school of thought. There are also other approaches, some include the time of Rameses I (1320-1318) & II (1232, etc). The Bible has confusing notes on the verses cited by Earl. Thank you for your reply.
---I_AM_I on 11/25/06


Pharoah had a choice, just like Judas had a choice to either obey or disobey. Every single person has a choice whether to harden themself against God's words or to comply to God's words. "Harden not your hearts." Please read Hebrews 3:7- thru 4:1; II Corinthians 6:2.
---Eloy on 11/24/06


I am I - a scholar called David Rohl suggested that the Egyptian chronology should be reduced by 350 years. This puts the Israelite timetable (unchanged) into the Egyptian's Twelfth Dynasty - where there is vast quantities of evidence of foreigners in Egypt - something that does not exist in the 18th Dynasty. That is the information I have, basically.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


Laure & Leon, thanks for taking the time to answer the question. We know from scriptures and history that the Pharaoh was not Ramesses! Laure, if you can tell me the approximate year(s) of the Exodus I will research the Pharaoh you mentioned. From what I have read, the Exodus took place during the 17th, 18th or 19th Dynasty. I have not read anything that placed it in the 12th Dynasty as you claimed, although I could be wrong. The Bible places it in the 18th Dynasty.
---I_AM_I on 11/22/06




I would appreciate it if historical questions were answered likewise. The archaeologists have worked for centuries trying to prove or disprove the Bible, and they have found mountains (excuse the pun) of evidence to validate ALL Scripture.

The pharaoh of the Exodus DID exist, and he had a name. The pharaoh I have mentioned below disappeared overnight, with his entire army. It is known what happened to all the other Pharaoh - except this one. Coincidence? I think not.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


i_am_i: Unnamed pharoah cont'd: No doubt, Cecil B. DeMille (director of classic 1956 movie, The Ten Commandments) was wrong naming pharoah Rameses. He was making a movie! A main characters needed a name. The Bible conveniently provided one -- RAMESES (G47:11). So, no time for archaeological research -- roll cameras. Action!!! :)

"Why is the name of the Pharoah omitted from scriptures?" Good question! Is it possible his name also isn't written in the book of life? (Rev. 3:5)
---Leon on 11/20/06


Mima: Man (past, present & future) always has a God-given ability to choose good or evil. The problem with pharoah is his unrighteous choices diametrically opposed God's righteous will, & God's sovereign will be done in "all" things regardless of how we choose.

i_am_i: As you know, "Rameses" is mentioned in G47:11. During the rule of an unnamed pharoah (Ex. 1:8:11) the children of Israel were enslaved & made to build treasure cities. One city was called Raamses.
---Leon on 11/20/06


I AM I - Scholars believe that the Pharaoh in question is Khasekemre-Neferhotep I, of the Twelfth Dynasty.
---laure5759 on 11/20/06


What God did was take away Pharoah's fear when he should have let the Israelites go out of fear. Since he wouldn't let them go or treat them nice out of kindness, the Lord's wrath became his portion by the hardening of his heart until he got the utmost destruction.
---Okebaram on 11/19/06




Can anyone tell me which Pharaoh was the ruler of Egypt at the time? Ramesses or another Pharaoh? Why is the name of the Pharaoh omitted from scriptures?
---I_AM_I on 11/19/06


Kent it is good U chew on things/think deeply God enjoys us not just reading the "cliff" notes. I agree it - says what it says. He knew the outcome & all the yrs of suffering, he saw truly into his heart & hardened it for a reason. I think he may have had a choice if his heart had been a "seeking" fair heart but God saw he was not going to be like that and let judgement fall. I agree it is a difficult thing for "our" brains to wrap around, but He is a fair judge.
---Jeanne on 11/19/06


it took me along time to grasp the meaning of that part of the story, The THOUGHT of God hardend Pharaohs heart or created anger in it, God did not actually make Pharaohs heart hard.
Peace be with you
---Kent on 11/19/06


Pharaoh had a choice. He chose, several times, to disobey God. At one point he repented, and then he went back on his word - hardened his own heart - and that was AFTER one of the plagues where God had hardened his heart. The point is, Pharaoh's heart was hard to start with. God used his hard heart to teach him - and the Israelites a lesson - God WILL prevail.
---laure5759 on 11/19/06


Pharaoh hardened his heart to God's prophet 3 times before God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Reading Ro.2:5-6,"But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgement of God. (6) who 'will render to each one according to his deeds'". Pharaoh lost his choices when he rejected the word from God not once but 3 times before God rejected Pharaoh.
---mikefl on 11/18/06


Greetings.Jesus our creator once said I give you no sign.Is his saying revelatory or not?Does his saying stand forever(past and present and future)?
---earl on 11/18/06


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Mima, No, Reprobates don't have a choice(2Thess. 2:11,12), he had blasphemed God. At some point he did have a choice(like everyone does initially) but he lost that privilege. Many in these last days are taking steps toward being reprobate. Many than ever before will blaspheme the Holy Ghost during these last days (including Christians). I hope that helps. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/18/06


No, pharoah did not have a choice.
---Ryan on 11/18/06


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