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Two Dinosaurs In The Bible

Please give your opinion about this statement ,"The Bible mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. "Behemoth" (Job 40:15-24) and "Leviathan" (Job 41:1-34"

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Jerry, You will find my name in Mark 15:34. You have spoken falsehood, manifesting NonChristian fruit, and yet you profess to be of my body and of my Lord. This is a deception you have, for "If we say that we have fellowship with him, but we walk with the darkness, we lie indeed not doing the truth." I John 1:6.
---Eloy on 10/9/10


Cluny, Pray to my Jesus for your self, for your so-called praying for me is unheard.
---Eloy on 10/9/10


Eloy: "jerry, Read the Holy Bible, learn its conrents, and pray to Christ for conversion."

I do indeed read the Bible and pray daily. I have read it through many times. I also know Jesus as my personal savior. But I have not been able to find your name in the Bible, or even any hint that Jesus needs a replacement. Your are a blasphemer, and reminiscent of someone mentioned in scripture:

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: ... I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most High.
---jerry6593 on 10/9/10


God placed everthing in it's place including the light from distance stars that, to man, would seem like the universe was here for billions of years.
---Steveng on 10/4/10

Steveng... why would God do this? To what purpose would God fool mankind?
---NurseRobert on 10/8/10


Most of the mammoths that we see as mass skeletal remains died as a result of the only ice age that happened after the flood.
---micha9344 on 10/8/10




\\jerry, Read the Holy Bible, learn its conrents, and pray to Christ for conversion.
---Eloy on 10/8/10\\

I pray for your conversion and deliverance from delusion daily.
---Cluny on 10/8/10


jerry, Read the Holy Bible, learn its conrents, and pray to Christ for conversion.
---Eloy on 10/8/10


jerry6593:

In "Attack Bloggers", Eloy said: Every tongue opposing me in judgment will be condemned. This is my heritage, the servant of Yhwh, and my righteousness from Yhwh.

In "Two Dinosaurs", he said: I know eachand evcery member of my body and my family, and I also know each and every nonmember of my body and my family

On several blogs, he has accused people of blasphemy against himself.

He is frequently using words Jesus used, and applying them to himself. I am deeply concerned that there are times when he believes that he and Jesus are one and the same, or at least on the same level.
---StrongAxe on 10/8/10


Cluny: Where can I find a copy of this data about mammoths?

I would be interested in reading it

Peer-reviewed articles (in research journals) are my preference in these matters
---peter3594 on 10/8/10


//Any one who studies science would understand an actual time of 7000 {7 days} year period is not enough time to complete a planet's eco system.//

Anyone who studies science and uses mans limited intellect to determine what God can and cannot do is a fool.

Science is not perfect. It never has been and it never will be.
---JackB on 10/8/10




Eloy: "Yes I could list the unsaved souls here with ease, for every tongue that opposes me in judgment is condemned."

I hope that you forgot to mention that you were quoting Jesus with that remark, because it comes across that you are supplanting Him as our rightful judge. If this is not the case, then you are committing blasphemy - assuming the place of God - and in this case, I would also oppose you most vehemently!
---jerry6593 on 10/8/10


\\If you believe the flood story then you really need to read about the large mammoths found in Russia frozen with undigested tropical leaves in their mouths.\\

Mammoths clearly do not have the same shaped bodies as dinosaurs, especially therapods, if their skeletons and fossils are any indication.
---Cluny on 10/7/10

That was my main point. The Bible does not discuss bone structure - just size.
---Obewan on 10/7/10


\\If you believe the flood story then you really need to read about the large mammoths found in Russia frozen with undigested tropical leaves in their mouths.\\

Mammoths clearly do not have the same shaped bodies as dinosaurs, especially therapods, if their skeletons and fossils are any indication.
---Cluny on 10/7/10


Eloy: "Strongax, Yes I could list the unsaved souls here with ease, for every tongue that opposes me in judgment is condemned.., I preach the gospel, those whom accept are blessed and saved, and those whom reject are condemned."

Jesus preached the gospel. So did the apostles. But I have not read any of your posts that you preach the gospel. You do indeed try to edify the people on the blogs toward your way of thinking which do not flow with biblical doctrine let alone the Holy Spirit. If Jesus were on this blog, you would convince him that his doctrine is not biblical. And you would surely exchange gifts concerning the death of the two last prophets because they did not conform to your way of thinking.
---Steveng on 10/7/10


Eloy:

You said: I know eachand evcery member of my body and my family, and I also know each and every nonmember of my body and my family

I said: If you know each and every member of your body and family, could you give us a brief list of them (or if they are too many to list here, at least an accurate count)?

You said: Strongax, Yes I could list the unsaved souls here with ease, ...

Does this mean you consider your body and family to be unsaved souls?

I am also concerned about your use of my body. This sounds like your body is the Body of Christ - impyling you are Christ (an inference I would not consider seriously, except you had made other similar-sounding inferences before).
---StrongAxe on 10/7/10


What says they were dinosaurs? There is no such literal statement.

Many say they were a large mammoth. There have been many large mammoths found buried in geologic strata from that time period.

If you believe the flood story then you really need to read about the large mammoths found in Russia frozen with undigested tropical leaves in their mouths. The only way that might have happened would be a rapid cooling caused by a vapor canopy collapse in once tropical regions.
---Obewan on 10/7/10


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Strongax, Yes I could list the unsaved souls here with ease, for every tongue that opposes me in judgment is condemned, but that is not the reason why I minister: I preach the gospel, those whom accept are blessed and saved, and those whom reject are condemned.
---Eloy on 10/7/10


Eloy:

You said: I know eachand evcery member of my body and my family, and I also know each and every nonmember of my body and my family

If you know each and every member of your body and family, could you give us a brief list of them (or if they are too many to list here, at least an accurate count)?

If you're talking about Eloy's family, this should be easy. If you're talking about the Body of Christ, then unless you are Christ yourself (or have an insight no other Christian one earth has), I seriously question whether you know each of the millions of Christians on this planet. (But if you do, feel free to prove me wrong).
---StrongAxe on 10/7/10


Many, if not most, people on these blogs try to interpret the bible using worldly knowledge instead of spiritual knowledge. This is why the many different posts, ideas, and philosophies.

And then...

there are people who would shift the blame to someone else or, when they don't have an answer, convict another person for the same offense.
---Steveng on 10/6/10


\\peter3594, Cluny has publicly manifested that he is unsaved by his fruits,\\

There is a poster to these blogs who has said that he can imagine God telling him to kill people, and that he would do so.

What does say about his fruits, and what does that say about his salvation?
---Cluny on 10/6/10


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peter3594, Cluny has publicly manifested that he is unsaved by his fruits, just as you also have manifested that you yourself are not saved by your fruits. I know eachand evcery member of my body and my family, and I also know each and every nonmember of my body and my family, for indeed from the fruit the tree is known.
---Eloy on 10/6/10


Cluny, a typical answer from a worldly person who didn't know how to give a proper answer.
---Steveng on 10/5/10


"May I suggest some non-secular sights?"

I have read the articles written by scientists of the the Institute for Creation Research, but considering that all of them must sign a Declaration of Faith before being a member, promising to explain all sights based on preconceived ideology, I hardly take them seriously. Of course, there MANY Christians scientists that disagree with them.

"For we all have that same evidence, we just are interpreting the evidence from different viewpoints."

True, but the evidences for a Old Earth is rather convincing.

"May I also ask where you fit the supposed long age of the Earth at?"

Read the Article I posted.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/5/10


They MAY be disasaurs (likely from the description) or they may be some other animal
Do we really need to know?

And Eloy, YOU know nothing about whether Cluny is or is not saved, so you should not speak beyond what you know - that is simple pride
---peter3594 on 10/5/10


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\\Were you present when God created the earth? \\

Were you? God asked Job the same question, Steveg.

\\Besides, how could animals have lived and died before the fall of man when Death was not part of creation in the beginning.\\

The death that entered the world as a result of the fall was death of human beings, not animals.
---Cluny on 10/5/10


The speed of light is not constant.
Fossil remains are better explained by the flood account than any long age Earth hypotheses.
---micha9344 on 10/5/10


Cluny, you post more falsehood, but after you get saved then you will post truth.
---Eloy on 10/5/10


Steveng:

Psalm 19:1
"The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handywork."

Young Earth proponents point to various pieces of evidence that might point to a young earth, but if God deliberately planted such evidence just to corroborate the young earth idea, why would he also have very deliberately gone to very great lengths to fake much more evidence of an old earth by making dinosaur skeletons and light from distant stars? Is God deliberately trying to deceive us and mess with our minds? The last I heard, that was the modus operandi of someone else entirely.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/10


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Ignatius: "The Earth is NOT 6,000-10,000 years old, and my perspective on these issues is..."

Were you present when God created the earth? You're relying on man's knowledge about how the universe was created and the world before Adam. God placed everthing in it's place including the light from distance stars that, to man, would seem like the universe was here for billions of years.

Besides, how could animals have lived and died before the fall of man when Death was not part of creation in the beginning.
---Steveng on 10/4/10


\\Mima, there is no such thing as a dinosaur, and there are no dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible\\

Nor are there computers, automobiles, washing machines, or refrigerators in the Bible, Eloy.

As far as there being no such thing as dinosaurs, what are we to make of the fully articulated skeletons of T rexes, apatasaurs, and other dinosaurs?

Or the featehered ones frequently encounted in China?

Are these imaginary?
---Cluny on 10/4/10


Mima, there is no such thing as a dinosaur, and there are no dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible.
---Eloy on 10/4/10


Eloy:

You said "dinosaur" is a imaginary animal made up by the imagination of man first appearing in print in the 1800's, and the made up word with its manmade definition means lizard of the dunes.

No, in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. The dictionary says Dino- comes from Greek deinos- (a form of deins) meaning "terrifying, or frightful). So "dinosaur" actually means "frightful lizard".

Besides, ALL words are "man-made" - or do you think that the hand of God came down and handed King James a set of stone tablets inscribed with the English dictionary?
---StrongAxe on 10/4/10


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"dinosaur" is a imaginary animal made up by the imagination of man first appearing in print in the 1800's, and the made up word with its manmade definition means lizard of the dunes.
---Eloy on 10/4/10


In JOB God describes to Job three Dinosaurs. A Brontasaurus, a Plesiosaur, and an Anklosoraus. God even says the Brontasaurus was the FIRST creature He created. God HIMSELF admired it at how it could wade through great washing floods of rushing water and never budge. How it could eat from trees at the TOPS of mountains. These I believe were here with the rest of the Dinos during the garden of Eden. Any one who studies science would understand an actual time of 7000 {7 days} year period is not enough time to complete a planet's eco system. Theory, the exponential 1000 day day. [1 day is 1000 years but if you count each day in the 1000 years as a thousand years and so on multiplied by 7 etc} You will come up with a several million years.
---Karen on 10/3/10


The names of the constellation have not been stable throughout history.
The ancient stars names refer back to the story of Christ coming for hope of the world and Israel.
The antiquity of the signs of Zodiac most certainly been changed-to the pagan worship and not of God.
Ps 19
The heavens declare the glory of GOD, and the firmanent sheweth His handy-work.
---char on 10/3/10


'There is NO constellation resembling a dinosaur, which suggests that man and dinosaurs were never contemporaries.'
---Cluny on 10/2/10
Apparently, frogs, kangaroos, giraffes, porcupines, etc. aren't contemporaries of man either.
There is no logical path between constellations and the relation to man.
But, since you brought it up, the dragon has a constellation.
---micha9344 on 10/3/10


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May I suggest some non-secular sights that have better explanations for the same evidence?
For we all have that same evidence, we just are interpreting the evidence from different viewpoints.
May I also ask where you fit the supposed long age of the Earth at?
After Gen 1:1? Gap hypothesis.
As part of each 'day'? basically concluding that 'day' does not mean a normal day as presented throughout the Bible when corresponding with a number or the words 'evening' or 'morning'.
Being Orthodox, I would think you would hold to a more fundamental view of the Bible, but my understanding of Orthodox may be skewed.
---micha9344 on 10/3/10


Micha,

I have study all sides of the Creationists and Age of the Earth debates for two years. I have read articles and purchased books from all sides of the debates. The Earth is NOT 6,000-10,000 years old, and my perspective on these issues is summed up in the article entitled "Evolutionary Creation:A Christian Approach to Evolution" by Denis O. Lamoureux. But then again, how old is the earth or when dinosaurs existed, matters not in my Orthodox Faith (my walk with Christ).

Have you read all the articles found in Talk Origins (dot org) about the age of the Earth? Many of the articles deals specifically with your comments. For example, google "Coal Beds, Creationism, and Mount St. Helens".

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/2/10


\\ The dinosaurs were in that eternity past.
---Gloria on 9/30/10
\\

Gloria, past, present, and future are qualities of time.

Eternity means "outside of time." Therefore "eternity past," like "underwear for the deaf" is a meaningless expression.

But consider the constellations.

Their names have been remarkably stable throughout history and across cultures.

There is NO constellation resembling a dinosaur, which suggests that man and dinosaurs were never contemporaries.
---Cluny on 10/2/10


Ignatius, you seem to be a big opponent of assumptions, am I correct?
If so, do you know of all the assumptions made in radioisotopic dating methods, specifically carbon radioisotope dating, that guide the conclusions to the desired results?
Have you studied these methods and their results enough to notice their inconsistancies even to the point where the tests can be done over and over until the desired result occurs, just discarding the rest?
Have you seen the dating results of Mt St Helens or any of the formed rock from other rescent volcanic activity?
Are you just taking peoples word for it, just as most 'experts' these days?
There is a willing blindness out there.
Please do not be ignorant of this.
---micha9344 on 10/1/10


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Ignatius: "Thus, Job was describing wild animals (in a very poetic and hyperbolic way) in his time, not Dinosaurs that have been long extinct. The word "behemoth" in Hebrew means "beast par excellence", referring to a large land animal (probably a Hipopotamus or Elephant)."

The hippo and the elephant do not have tails as thick as a cedar tree. Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee, he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass, his bones are like bars of iron.
---Steveng on 10/1/10


Micha-

Read Isotopes: Principles and Applications and Quaternary Dating Methods. Talkorigin (dot com) has great articles about this.

Read also The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth by Christians geologists Davis. A. Young/Ralph F.Stearley, Principles of Paleontology by Michael Foote, The Age of the Earth by G. Brent Dalrymple,

If you really want to know, join a top university in any city or state, and have classes in Biology, Anthropology, Genetics, Geology, and Paleontology.

In either case, as a Orthodox, I am NOT obligated to take the two different creation accounts in the Bible as literal scientific lessons.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/1/10


'Dinosaurs were around anytime between 250 million years ago to 65 million years ago.'
In IC.XC.,--Ignatius on 9/30/10
How do you know?
---micha9344 on 9/30/10


Dinosaurs were around anytime between 250 million years ago to 65 million years ago.

"But now look at the wild beasts with thee..." (Job 40:10, LXX).

Thus, Job was describing wild animals (in a very poetic and hyperbolic way) in his time, not Dinosaurs that have been long extinct. The word "behemoth" in Hebrew means "beast par excellence", referring to a large land animal (probably a Hipopotamus or Elephant).

The Leviathan was probably a crocodile.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/30/10


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JackB: "Leviathan: dragon

Crocodiles do not smork smoke from their nostrils and shoot fire from their mouth. Nor is their skin inpenitrable by spear, sword or javelin."

No, not crocodiles, but another lizard, living today, that does "spit out fire." I don't know the name of the lizard, but I do remember that it has a chemical in it's body that when mixed with oxigen, it ignites. I read about it fifteen/twenty years ago.
---Steveng on 9/30/10


I know The Unicorn is a Rhinocerous.
---JOhn on 9/30/10


Gen 1:1-5 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
It looks like the first day to me.
But if you believe in the gap theory, the Sun would still be 6-10 millenia old.
If you believe in progressive creation, the Sun would still be an issue since that is what progressives point toward.
---micha9344 on 9/30/10


Behemoth : Brontosaurus type dinosaur

Alligators and crocs are not herbivores. They are carnivores. Nor are their eyes and nostrils seemingly out of reach.

Leviathan: dragon

Crocodiles do not smork smoke from their nostrils and shoot fire from their mouth. Nor is their skin inpenitrable by spear, sword or javelin.
---JackB on 9/30/10


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The earth is millions of years old. Genesis 1:1 says, " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."(period) It doesn't say how long ago He created them. Man is 6,000 to 14,000 years old. The dinosaurs were in that eternity past.
---Gloria on 9/30/10


\\Reptiles never stops growing, till it dies. Imagine a 900 year old reptile, it would be as large as a "dinosaur".\\

Not true.

And apparently dinosaurs had biological features that reptiles do NOT have, so they might not have been reptiles.

\\ And just so by the way, how could dinosaurs have gone extinct 65 million years ago if the earth is only about 6000 to 8000 years old.\\

This itself is up for debate.
---Cluny on 9/30/10


In the bible they don't use the word dinosaur, because there was no such word. They referred to them as dragons, and it is mentioned 21 times in the old testament alone. Before the great flood, some people lived about 900 years. Reptiles never stops growing, till it dies. Imagine a 900 year old reptile, it would be as large as a "dinosaur". And just so by the way, how could dinosaurs have gone extinct 65 million years ago if the earth is only about 6000 to 8000 years old.
---Jonathan on 9/30/10


Job is giving God a very hard time. God accuses Job of condemning Him in order to justify himself. Now, God challenges Job to demonstrate his power if he thinks that it is equal to God who is Omnipotent, and can create the powerful beasts, Behemoth and Leviathan, which are far more superior than any puny man....[Sounds like God]!
---catherine on 8/31/09


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When you carefully read the description of Leviathan it bears no resemblance to any living creature. In its description it conforms more to a sea-going dinosaur.

Likewise the description of Behemoth does not fit any living creature. Some suggest the hippo. or elephant however Behemoth has a tail like a cedar tree and no one who has ever seen an elephant or hippo. would say this about their tails. The rest of the description doesn't fit them either.

Once again the description better fits a dinosaur. Some will reject this, not for Biblical reasons, but because they have accepted the nonBiblical idea that dinosaurs became extinct about 60 million years ago.

I trust the word of God, not man's changing opinions.
---Warwick on 8/28/09


The creation of the animals is mentioned in Genesis 1:20-23. In Job 40:20-24, many believe this is the Hippopotamus, and they believe that it is the Crocodile in Job 41. Some people find these descriptions more consistent with various types of Dinosaurs. Psalm 104:26, may refer to a whale, or some sort of sea monster.
---Glenn on 8/28/09


"Lo now, his strenght is in this loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly." last time i check reptiles didnt have a navel.
Your best bet is to stop listenig to these lies the "church" r telling you.
Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---c_white on 8/28/09


Behemoth" and "Leviathan" (These are most likely metaphorical creatures.Leviathan is assoited with the sea. I am reminded of Thomas Hobbs book on the subject

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. I rather strongly believe the Bible was written sometime after that.

Thers are some dinosaurs left, mostly they are found wandering around in goverment buildings.
---MikeM on 1/24/08


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I believe that both these creatures were what we now call dinosaurs. One walked on land, the other lived in the sea.
---m.p.a. on 1/24/08


Possibly.

Other commentators have said that "behemoth" is either a crocodile or hippopotamus (depending on who you ask); "leviathan" is a whale.
---Jack on 5/24/07


How can there be no such thing as dinosaurs when we clearly find their bones? Did God put them there to test us? It is possible. The Bible says the Behemoth was created alongside man. So it hard to say the Behemoth was a dinosaur because if it was created with man then chances are its still here. Possibly the elephant? Or the giraffe?
---Matthew on 12/3/06


Let's get real for a moment. If there were what we call dinosaurs (and there was) then they were written about in the Bible. In Gen. it says God created all of the animals.....
Some other places may go into more detail and they were called other things like what has already been said.
We don't see Airplanes spoke of as such so do they exist? Have they existed in the past?
If someone can get you to doubt the dinosaurs issue maybe then you will not totally believe the Bible.
---Elder on 12/3/06


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The word dinosaur is not in the bible but it is a fact that they existed. Words are man-made and dinosaur is a word someone decided to use to describe these animals which once roamed the earth. The fact that they are not mentioned in the bible with the name that we now use for them does, in no way, prove that they did not exist. I stand by what I said on 11/19.
---m.p.a. on 12/3/06


I have never seen any Dinosaurs in my Bible. I always place it on the top shelf of my book case where they can't get to it. I also shake it real hard when I take it down. If there were any dinosaurs in there they would have fell out.
---Elder on 12/2/06


Can anyone here back up what they say?
---MikeM on 12/2/06


No 'dinosaur's' mentioned in my bible! My bible's all about G_d & our relationship to Him with a few other glimpses here & there. No cavemen mentioned in it either, except for when King Saul was in one while pursuing David & maybe a few other's!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 11/28/06


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Mike I have to disagree the Bible can also answer much about science as well amoung many other topics.
---judit4846 on 11/27/06


MikeM - from geologists of course! Christian ones, that is.
---laure5759 on 11/26/06


Laure; Where do ou get your infromation on Geology? If you want to learn about European history, do you got to the Bible or a book on European history? If you want to learn about salvation, do you go to a book on geography, or do you go to the Bible? Again, the Bible is about salvation, it is not a science textbook.
---MikeM on 11/24/06


These are not dinosaurs, for there is no such thing. "Behemoth" literally means, "mammoth beast"; and "Leviathan" literally means, "water beast" or "lava beast".
---Eloy on 11/24/06


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Two Dinasaurs in the Bible. One is False Prophet, the other True Prophet of God
---billy on 11/23/06


Part One

Jack, the entire fossil record that exists on earth was a direct result of the flood of Noah. This includes the Coal fields and the oil fields. All of these things (coal, oil and fossils) can only be created under specific circumstances - chief circumstance being very high pressure. Bones left lying around will simply decay, unless in a VERY dry climate.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


Part Two

The massive worldwide evidence of fossils, as well as fosselised plants and trees (coal and oil) points at one thing - a worldwide calamity of enormous pressure. The only time the Bible indicates such a circumstance is Noah's flood. If you take the Bible to be the Truth, the WHOLE Truth, and NOTHING BUT the Truth, then you have to accept this.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


yes fosils found try searching the internet as one form of source.
---judit4846 on 11/21/06


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** Part 1, there is evidence humans, animals,fish etc grew much larger prior to the Great Flood.**

Can you tell us where such evidence is to be found? Are you referring to some kind of human fossils? Or are you talking about a particular interpretation of the Bible?
---Jack on 11/20/06


Two Dinosaurs? Jesuites and False Prophets
---bob on 11/20/06


Part 1, there is evidence humans, animals,fish etc grew much larger prior to the Great Flood. Just as humans lived much longer (Genesis records ages of some people to have reached over 900 years!) so a reptile ... living much longer then could have grown much larger before the Flood - which is indeed what we see in the fossil record of the pre-Flood world
---judit4846 on 11/19/06


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