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Christmas Trees Biblical

Comment on this verse Jeremiah 10:2-5, "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold;

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It is said that Martin Luther had a vision of a tree bedecked with candles representing the souls of Men. At the top was the Christ-Child and the candles were either upright or upside-down depending upon whether the soul was good or evil.

*That* sybolism is Christian.

BTW, a Bird's Christmas Tree--one hangs suet balls, popcorn strings and so forth from a living outdoor tree for the birds to eat-- is a good way to teach children about charity and concern for others.
---Nancy on 12/1/07


That scripture could very well be speaking or referring to the Christmas tree of today. Whose to say, for sure. It is a matter of belief. Even though I celebrate Christmas and I do use a Christmas tree. Even with research and learning some people still argue with the Bible. You have to come to some conclusion sooner or later. I refuse to argue over a Christmas tree when there is so much Kingdom Work to be done.
---Robyn on 9/24/07


More: Instead of arguing over a silly christmas tree or vain idols-- why not come together and think about the Thanksgiving dinner we are serving to the homeless people in our communities, this year. Thanksgiving is right around the corner. Christians should concentrate on things we agree on and not on things that are argumentative and divisive. At all costs we should represent Christ, keep the love and unity flowing among us. We should always remember this: first and foremost.Jesus is Lord. Peace to all
---Robyn on 9/24/07


The context here has absolutely nothing to do with Christmas trees. In this passage they were carving graven images of god's out of wood to bow down and worship them. Sometime they would make them out of metal or clay. I'm glad God knows the difference between a Christmas tree that is just a nice celebration decoration and an outright idol made for the purpose of worship. It's too bad many religious people can't see it and judge everyone with a tree as a pagan idol worshipper.
---john on 9/24/07


*I have also noticed that the History Channel, interesting as it is frequently, is usually not exactly accurate when discussing Christianity.

I know from my own researches that it is usually quite wrong, giving no historical facts, but merely conventional wisdom which is usually mistaken.*

Isn't that the truth!
---augua9846 on 12/16/06




Jared, this comes to mind the 2nd commandment, Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image etc..this would then mean we cant admire anything made by man for it will be idolising it ... what say you...God is my Divine idol..
---lily on 12/16/06


Chestnut Burr, I'm not sure what your name means, so please excuse me. Are your chestnuts roasting over an open fire - or are they cold, Jack Frost....
---R.A. on 12/15/06


Symbolism and Idolitry are similar but different. for Jews the Minorah is a symbol of Hannukah. The Ark of the Covenant is a symbol of the acceptance of the Ten Commandments. None of these objects are worshiped as gods. So, do Christians pray or worship Christmas Trees as gods? I hope for most they do not.
---David on 12/15/06


Part 2:

I have also noticed that the History Channel, interesting as it is frequently, is usually not exactly accurate when discussing Christianity.

I know from my own researches that it is usually quite wrong, giving no historical facts, but merely conventional wisdom which is usually mistaken.
---Jack on 12/15/06


**if you did then you would know how christmas came about and how pagan it really is**

Did they also say how Martin Luther got the idea for it after seeing stars shining through a tree in just the right way one cold clear night?

Did it mentioni how Christmas trees were unknown in English speaking countries until the time of Queen Victoria?

This is more than long enough to have broken any pagan connection.
---Jack on 12/15/06




did anyone here watch the documentary on christmas on the history channel last night? if you did then you would know how christmas came about and how pagan it really is. you could also do an encyclopedia search, even on the net and you will see just how it all started and how pagan it is.then please take note of the scriptures mentioned here, including one in Romans about the celebration of days and times...
---chestnut_burr on 12/14/06


Mike do you oppose the use of statues and Icons in catholic and orthodox worship. these are christian not pagan yet I'm guessing you'd have a problem with this too. But these point to a christian message in an artisic form just as a tree can point to a christian message in a Natural form.
---Jared on 12/1/06


I suppose it wouldn't be "so" bad except the objects portrayed were worshipped as idols. As Christians we are to stay away from such things. I "guess" my concern is where something is shown to be an object of worship by pagan, heathen, cults, etc. it would just be easier to stay away. Since the nativity portraying Jesus did not(to my knowledge)originate as an idol of worship, I see it as a representation of Christ.
---mikefl on 11/30/06


But isn't a nativity scene a carved, engraved, or formed image? couldn't that be an idol...I'm all for nativity scenes because they direct our minds to christ.As do christmas trees. it is not the symbol that holds power but the teaching behind the symbol. if that teaching is The One true God then the symbol is good, if it is something other than that it is bad. Christians have redeemed many symbols and they have enriched our worship. all symbols have roots in pagan worship in some way.
---Jared on 11/26/06


* The trees were cut down by axe,*

This isn't the kind of axe as we think of it today. The word for axe used here is 'maatsad'. It is a tool used for rough carving. In some translations it's called a chisel or an adze: "a lithic (made of stone) wood-working tool, like an axe, except that the blade is at right-angles to the haft, and instead of chopping horizontally through a piece of wood, you use an adze to vertically shape it."

cont
---augusta on 11/25/06


The word for axe as we know it is 'garzen'. A clear example of this kind can be found in Deut. 19:5. Likewise "workman" here isn't like a lumberjack. The word for workman used here is Charash, meaning "craftsman, artisan, engraver."

The workman took trees and carved idols out of them. They even dressed them in blue & purple clothing to look like men. Note they couldn't "speak", and had to be carried because they couldn't walk. (con't)
---augusta on 11/25/06


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Here's another example in Scripture:

"The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved." (Isa 40:19-20)
---augusta on 11/25/06


Idol is as idol does. Read 1Cor.8 for what Paul says. Then pure and simple I quote 1Jn.5:21,"Little children, keep yourselves from idols." The cutting of trees was long before there was a Germany or the Celts, or a Shamrock. I find nothing in scripture where any carving or hammering out gold coverings were done. The trees were cut down by axe, decked with silver & gold and nailed in place to remain upright. Jer.10:1-5. I suggest a nativity for a Christmas center piece. No doubt who that's for.
---mikefl on 11/24/06


The word "-mas" in Christmas is an archaic word meaning feast or festival. Thus Christmas means "Festival of Christ".
---Eloy on 11/22/06


**But the Church redemed it for Christ and it was a strong witness to him.**

Isn't this what the Gospel is about: taking something that was formerly alien to Christ and redeeming it and using it for His glory--including us?
---Jack on 11/23/06


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This was carving statues or figures out of trees, which is idolatry, and the Lord was telling Israel not to do that. The tree speaks not and must be carried because it cannot walk. The wood is overlaid with gold. "Silver beaten into plates and gold, the work of the metalsmith: blue and purple their clothing. Every metalsmith is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and no breath in them." Jeremiah 10:9,14.
---Eloy on 11/22/06


Augusta - what does Mass have to do with Christmas trees? Just asking.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


Christmas trees were originally part of a German pagan tradition, where an evergreen tree represents new life.

There are several denominations who regard the celebration of Christmas - never mind the use of a Christmas tree - as pagan.

However, the verse in Jeremiah is not referring to a Christmas tree per se, but idolatory in general.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


No it's not biblical but it's not pagan either. True it was used in Viking cultures, but when they became christians it became a strong symbol to promote Christ. the same can be said about most symbols used in churches today. Was St. Patrick wrong to use a shamrock to teach the trinity? No but wait didn't the celts have pagan undersandings of the shamrock, yes But the Church redemed it for Christ and it was a strong witness to him.
---Jared on 11/20/06


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*The word "Mass" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice.*

Mass means to "send away" or dismiss. Whew!
---augua9846 on 11/20/06


**Amen, John!
---Jack **


Amen, Jack!
---augusta on 11/20/06


*****It sure sounds like a Christmas tree, doesn't it!"
---Helen_5378 (Vote) on 11/18/06
The lady from down under has it right again!!!***

Mima: You are so wrong. Taking scriptures out of context, as you and Helen so obviously have done, makes you and she look foolish. I honestly thought you were better than that.
---Madison1101 on 11/19/06


greetings.how can man celebrate Jesus' birth without paganizing it?What symbol is of value for a memorial of Jesus' birth?Can the tree be replaced with a non pagan symbol?
---earl on 11/19/06


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"It sure sounds like a Christmas tree, doesn't it!"
---Helen_5378 (Vote) on 11/18/06
The lady from down under has it right again!!!
---mima on 11/19/06


At the first sign of spring, I will pick some of the first flowers ijn my garden to make my home look good. And so in summer and autumn. Why should we not do the same in winter?
We are too keen sometimes to ascribe motives to others. Just because someone has a Christmas tree, it is not for others to say it is being worshipped.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/19/06


The word "Mass" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice." The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
---Rev_Herb on 11/19/06


** It sure sounds like a Christmas tree, doesn't it!**

Not at all.
---Jack on 11/19/06


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**I'm glad God knows the difference between a Christmas tree that is just a nice celebration decoration and an outright idol made for the purpose of worship. It's too bad many religious people can't see it and judge everyone with a tree as a pagan idol worshipper.**

Amen, John!
---Jack on 11/19/06


I would be considering the spiritual aspect of that Scripture before I would think it had anything to do with a Christmas tree, simply because Colossians 3 tells us to "set our minds on things above". God is a Spirit. God inspired a spirit book. Turning Jeremiah 10:2-5 into a theological discussion about Christmas trees is having one's head in the earth to the point that the true meaning is missed.
---Linda6563 on 11/18/06


Anytime I see a "tree" in the Word, I think of the blind man Jesus healed. He said he saw men as trees walking. A tree being cut off and having an axe laid to the root has to do with the work of Christ and not whether someone puts a tree up for Christmas.

The whole of the Bible speaks of one thing: Christ and His work.
---Linda6563 on 11/18/06


By the way, what you focus on at any time becomes an idol. Some folks worship the fact that they don't put a tree up and even go so far as to think that makes them holier than others or makes them righteous before God.
---Linda6563 on 11/18/06


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Besides the Christmas tree thing, Christmas teaches a child that lying is ok ("Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Clause.")and is used as a reward for children to behave themselves (Santa won't bring you gifts if you keep acting up."). I have yet to see a Christian parent not use this at one time or another.

No matter how much you tell a child the real reason for Christmas, they will see what the rest of the world is doing. And to a child, that is more powerful.
---Steveng on 11/18/06


There are many legends about Christmas Trees - dating back to pagan times and winter festivals and also to the time when Mary, Joseph and Jesus had to flee to Egypt.

The symbol of the evergreen tree is for everlasting life. The star on the top is for Jesus and the lights on the tree are the Christian community. Their light reflects the light of Jesus ans spreads it around the world. A legend, but a beautiful one.
---grace3869 on 11/18/06


It sure sounds like a Christmas tree, doesn't it!
---Helen_5378 on 11/18/06


As to the verses, it was a heathen custom where God's people were passing. It was used much as we use the "Christmas" tree today. While God said (vs.5)"...Do not be afraid of them for they 'can not do evil. Nor can they do any good'", referenced scriptures Lev.18:3 & 20:23 say not to be a part of those things. The trees referred to were part of the winter solstice celebration (Dec.25)dealing with Nimrod & Tammuz (sun god & supposed son of s.g.). Read Babylon Mystery Religion, Woodrow.
---mikefl on 11/18/06


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It's talking about people chopping down trees carving it and making it into an idol, something they then bow before and worship. I don't know many people who make their Christmas tree an object of worship.
---bethie on 11/18/06


The passage here is talking about the making of an idol, not Christmas trees, which are a mere ornament of the season, and by NO means universal.

In the tropics, southern hemisphere, and Middle East--for different reasons--Christmas trees are unknown.

If you don't want to have a Christmas tree, don't.

If you prefer to decorate your house with dead branches of deciduous hardwoods, do so.
---Jack on 11/18/06


If my understanding is correct, it's talking about idol worship--people used to make "gods" out of wood or other things and fall down and worship them; crazy, huh? But then, we still have our "gods" today--sex, food, ect. Anyway, God bless ya
---Mary on 11/18/06


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