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In the Blog "Once Saved Always Saved" everybody is referring to RCC. What is RCC?

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MikeM - I do not agree with your definition of God. He is loving, yes. He is merciful, yes. He is jealous, yes. He is just, yes. He is magnaminous - no. Because magnaminous suggests an indulgence in little children who make mistakes, and the God I read of in the Bible is not like that. If we sin against Him (make a mistake), we pay the price (death). If you define magnaminous otherwise, please explain.
---laure5759 on 2/15/08


Jack :: never fear I got it too,but they didn't. TOOOO baddddd!!
---Emcee on 7/6/07


Once "saved always saved" means you are saved from the panalty of sin- because you put your faith in the blood of Christ that cleanses you from past, present, and future sins. RCC stands for the Roman Catholic Church. When you combine the qoute with RCC it is poking fun at the RCC who believe that a person must do works in order to be trully saved. Which means they have fallen from grace and are promoting their own rightousness
---Marcia on 7/6/07


If Jesus didn't receive His human side or genes from Mary, who/what did he get from? Jesus was fully men and Fully God. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, and thus His human side came from Mary. This biological fact guys!. If Jesus was human he had to receive his human nature from a human. That's Mary, His Mother!!!.

Who say otherwise here?
---Ramon on 7/6/07


** Jack::You make em joke I laugh em too!! CATLICKS thats what all cats do & are they vain Ha ha ha yes vain to remove stain of sin.**

You don't get the joke. I'm making fun of an attitude towards the Roman Catholic church and doctrines some people thing are RC, but in fact are part of "mere Christianity".
---Jack on 12/5/06




Augua: It is man to die once, then the Judgement.
---Steveng on 12/4/06


Jack::You make em joke I laugh em too!! CATLICKS thats what all cats do & are they vain Ha ha ha yes vain to remove stain of sin.
---Emcee on 12/4/06


**then why do you deny the Lords prayer given by Jesus Matt 6;9-14.where are the VAIN repetitions?**

Don't you understand?

One's own repetitions are NEVER vain.

Only repititions of other people, espcially catlicks, are vain.
---Jack on 12/4/06


Augusta - ("..he shall never see death") -- This means spiritual death, not physical. We all die physically. Those who are not born-again are already spiritually dead. Those who are born-again are made spiritually alive in Christ.
---Helen_5378 on 12/3/06


*Even though people are dead now that doesn't mean forever. they will surely live as plain as the nose on your face. That's the great news. That's the Gospel.*

No, this is the gospel...

"Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death." Jo 8:51
---augua9846 on 12/3/06




Ruben: We are all dead both the living and the dead. there will be a time when the dead shall rise and live again for only those who walk the path of God, obey all his commandments. Even though people are dead now that doesn't mean forever. they will surely live as plain as the nose on your face. That's the great news. That's the Gospel.
---steveng on 12/2/06


Steve-(Emcee: Mary is dead.) Jesus said "God is not a God of the dead but of the living, God of Jacob, Isacc and Abraham, names who you say are DEAD! (even though Jesus did it, but who are we to argure what he can or cannot do).) Exactly, Jesus also said FOLLOW my commands, so doing what he does is a very very good thing, you might want to do as he does!
---Ruben on 12/1/06


Steveng::With your explaination of what Christmas is I am afraid to accept your explaination of the lords Prayer leave alone the Hail mary Or any other theological explaination No offence meant.I guess the Gospel of luke & matthew do not mean a thing as you read of vain repetitions or in that manner.BTW repetetition is Praise in its highest form.Do you not tell your wife, I love you often or does she have to take it for granted.honeymoon is over!!!.
---Emcee on 11/30/06


Emcee: Mary is dead. You cannot pray to a dead person. But she will definately be raised in the first resurrection.

As for the Lord's prayer, Jesus gave it as an example, not to pray over and over agian. Doesn't it say in Scripture not to repeat prayers? (even though Jesus did it, but who are we to argure what he can or cannot do). With God, you don't need to repeat, I'm sure he has a good memory about what your needs are.
---Steveng on 11/30/06


We talk a lot about VAIN repetition. BUT, it's fine to repeat things, prayers we know (loke the Lord's prayer) IF we still mean what we say. Sometimes, repeating means we forget what we mean - then, yes, it is vain. Otherwise, not a problem. But we should think if we mean something when we do repeat it.
---Peter on 11/29/06


Steveng::Are you a man of truth?then why do you deny the Lords prayer given by Jesus Matt 6;9-14.where are the VAIN repetitions?are you christian Or whose teachings are you following .In the like manner "Hail Mary" is a combination of 2 prayers, praise in recoginition of Her being called Blessed,BY GOD & asking for Her intercession as she is blessed,& the Mother of JESUS.
---Emcee on 11/29/06


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Steveng, I don't think you could make my ears believe anything at this particular time.
---Cindy on 11/29/06


Jesus said: And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

Note the word "vain". Like Jack said, there are psalms which are repetitious and the Jews & Christians both prayed the psalms.
---augua9846 on 11/28/06


Jack: I could make you believe anything your itching ears want to hear. Just by taking verses out of context and not reading the whole chapter. I could make you believe that repetition pray is ok and I could make you believe that repetition pray is not ok.

So tell me, Jack, how did Jesus want us to pray? What did he use as an example? What does the Bible say about using repetitious prayer? Was there a reason why Jesus repeated his prayer?
---Steveng on 11/28/06


**If we are not to repeat prayers, why do we repeat the 'Hail Mary' and 'Our Father...'"**

Like Jesus praying three times at His Agony with the SAME WORDS, as the Gospels say? Like the refrain in Psalm 137?

**The Catholic church teaches lies. I'm sure you know what the Bibles says about teaching wrong doctrine.**

Lies like a pre-trib rapture and OSAS?
---Jack on 11/28/06


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That little boy came well prepared! Did they trow them out?
They just called them a cab to take them to the nearest Protestant
Church? Apparently the parents miss the address to their Church?
---Nana on 11/28/06


The Christmas eve services are the best. One such service, altar boy lit the candle on back altar, pine greenery burned up all the way across, priests stomped fire into the carpet, made a huge mess. Fire dept. showed up.
---R.A.

Wow that would of woken up the people at midnight mass!
---grace3869 on 11/27/06


Would a Christian church throw a whole family out of the church when the young boy of nine kept asking questions? Questions like "If the Ten commandments says not to make images, why do we have statues around the (catholic) church? If we are not to pray to anyone else, why are we praying to saints? If we are not to repeat prayers, why do we repeat the 'Hail Mary' and 'Our Father...'"

The Catholic church teaches lies. I'm sure you know what the Bibles says about teaching wrong doctrine.
---Steveng on 11/27/06


I like Catholics, yes, I do, how about you? I have visited Rome, saw the Vatican. The art was grand. I have Catholic friends, love 'em. The Christmas eve services are the best. One such service, altar boy lit the candle on back altar, pine greenery burned up all the way across, priests stomped fire into the carpet, made a huge mess. Fire dept. showed up.
---R.A. on 11/27/06


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Emcee - Sweetie it does not matter where the prayers were from, so long as they were prayed in Christ! :)
---Helen_5378 on 11/27/06


Helen: you couldnt have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick!To be in the chat room- maybe it was a joint coincidental Prayer.Any way glad you were fine.BTW were the prayers from Down under?HA!Bit of upper class (Hemisphere) humour.LOL
---Emcee on 11/26/06


** .jack, Jesus Commands, "Judge righteous judgment", and I do so as every true saint of the Lord. But them who bear false witness, and the Accuser of the brothers, will believe whatever they desire.**

How true, Elroy. How true.
---Jack on 11/26/06


Emcee - Actually what happened was a lady in the Chat Room prayed for me. That was when I felt better!
---Helen_5378 on 11/25/06


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SEE Helen:-)I told you Rcc prayers work too.glad you are back
---Emcee on 11/25/06


why do we even question Christ's human as well as divine form? Why do we not have faith in Him and believe that He and He alone can do all things? our doubtfulnes maybe causing others to doubt God. Why are we like Sarah and not believe God when He said she will have an heir in her old age? Why do we ever doubt God if we worship and belive? Friends, dont doubt, just believe Him, 4 He is faithful to His every word.He has never ever failed us. Be patient and believe.
---lily on 11/24/06


Roman Catholic Church ... Jesus said He has other sheep in other folds too and them He must bring into His fold. I believe Jesus has other sheep in the RCC as well as in all other christian churches. I also believe many will fall out of the divine fold. Dont knock RCCs. There are many b.u.tful people in there 2.
---lily on 11/24/06


Grace, Emcee & Ramon - Many thanks guys. I am feeling on top of the world now.
---Helen_5378 on 11/24/06


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Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. I did get some really good and helpfull answers. God Bless all of you.

Norma
---Norma7374 on 11/24/06


Helen. Sorry to hear that you are sick. I hope you get better. I keep you in my prayers. God Bless.
---Ramon on 11/24/06


Helen::This is not to rail, but wail because you are sick dear,hope you get better soon.I shall add a prayer even if it is RC I hope you wont mind Smiles God bless you Helen.
---Emcee on 11/24/06


.jack, Jesus Commands, "Judge righteous judgment", and I do so as every true saint of the Lord. But them who bear false witness, and the Accuser of the brothers, will believe whatever they desire.
---Eloy on 11/24/06


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Helen- I have been very ill and unable to post much. I will maybe get back to this later. As you can see I have some questions

I hope you are feeling better.
---grace3869 on 11/23/06


Ramon - I have been very ill and unable to post much. I will maybe get back to this later. As you can see I have some questions.
---Helen_5378 on 11/23/06


** .jack, I discern your comments as nonsensical. I rightly give honor where honor is due, and I rightly give judgment where judgment is due.**

Therefore, you stand judged by Christ's words who said to treat others as you would be treated. Matthew 7:12.

BTW--how does your giving judgement square with Christ's words who commanded, "Judge not." Matthew 7:1
---Jack on 11/23/06


Emcee - You are putting Jack and my responses together. I am not talking about 500 years ago - I am talking about TODAY.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


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.jack, I discern your comments as nonsensical. I rightly give honor where honor is due, and I rightly give judgment where judgment is due.
---Eloy on 11/23/06


Helen.We are still waiting for you to provide Scriptures to back up your claims. You have not provided any yet. By not doing so, your posts are just assumptions
---Ramon on 11/22/06


**Not water under the bridge,which flowed 5oo years ago or more,but thanks anyway.**

You're welcome, emcee.

Both groups in India are called "Syriani," whether they are part of the Patriarchate of Syria or the Catholicate (which name has nothing to do with the RC Church) of India.

It's a jurisdictional squabble, no more.
---Jack on 11/22/06


Page 537 of the Catholic Encyclopedia, which says, "In the Christian law, the supreme sacrifice is that of the Mass." It goes on to say, "The supreme act of worship consists essentially in an offering of a worthy victim to God, the offering made by a proper person, as a priest, the destruction of the victim."
---Rev_Herb on 11/22/06


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Jack::I acknowledge the history Lesson with thanks.Laure:Really! I am interested with the imparting of the truth-- Not water under the bridge,which flowed 5oo years ago or more,but thanks anyway.
---Emcee on 11/22/06


PART ONE:
Helen.
The Word existed in eternity. The eternal Son of God. John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." But, he had no physical form. Jesus was very clear about this. He said God is a spirit. John 4:24 John tells us the Word became flesh and only then, He was called Jesus. John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


PART TWO:
Matthew 1:20-21, "that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." (Jesus means: Jehovah is salvation)
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


PART THREE:
In order to fulfill the OT prophecies about the messiah, he had to be a member of the human race, which is, by definition, a descendant of (Adam and) Eve. It is not Eves flesh that is being spoken of, it is a descendant of Eve. The enmity was said to be Genesis 3:15, "between thee and the woman"
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


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PART FOUR:
There is no indication here that it is, as you said, between those who belong to the devil and those who belong to Christ.

Crush his head certainly does refer to the cross where Jesus defeated the devil as a descendant of Eve. He settled the score between Satan and his (many times over) great-grandmother.
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


PART FIVE:
How did he take his flesh from Mary? The only way he could, through a fertilized ovum. Hebrews 10:5, "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith a body hast thou prepared me:"
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


PART SIX:
Here is a little biology lesson. I learned this when my grandson died. The ovum and the sperm are haploid each having one set of chromosomes. When they combine in fertilization, a diploid is created a cell with two sets of chromosomes.. That means we have two sets of chromosomes. One set having been contributed by the mother and the other by the father. (My grandson was triploid he had three sets of chromosomes and could not survive.)
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


PART SEVEN:
Those who believe that Jesus was not of Marys flesh and blood, believe that Jesus body was physically implanted in Marys womb. In this case she would be a surrogate. This would be a creative miracle. God would have to have created a complete zygote (fertilized ovum) which became an embryo which became Jesus. The problem with this is that he would have the form of a man but not be a descendant of Eve.
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


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PART EIGHT:
No less of a creative miracle would be if God placed with in Marys ovum the second set of chromosomes directly. Only in this way could it be said that Mary conceived Isaiah 7:14, "Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Only in this way could Jesus be a descendant of Eve.
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


PART NINE:
Paul stated: Romans 1:3, "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"

So, yes. A completely new human being was created! When a new human is created through procreation, God gives that new person a spirit. In this case, God, the eternal Spirit, inhabited the body that was forming in Mary. Jesus the Son of Man. God in the flesh.
---Bruce5656 on 11/22/06


** .jack, "APE"?, I think the "RCC" sounds better.**

Eloy, I'm just treating you the way you apparently want to be treated--on the basis of how you're treating others.
---Jack on 11/22/06


**BTW Syria is not in India.May be you are refering to a convert.**

Emcee, the history of the Christians of India is too complex for 85 words, but the biggest part of them DID join with the Syrian Orthodox (non-Chalcedonian) Church in the 1500's or so. Then at one point, while keeping their liturgy, a part broke off.
---Jack on 11/22/06


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.herb, The "-mas" in Christmas is an archaic word which meant feast or festival. Thus Christmas means, "Festival of Christ."
---Eloy on 11/21/06


.jack, "APE"?, I think the "RCC" sounds better.
---Eloy on 11/21/06


Emcee - read up on your topic. A simple Encyclopaedia might educate you. The VAST MAJORITY of St Thomas Indians are Syrian Orthodox.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


Dec 25th the B/day of, Crishna, Mithras, Hercules, Bacchus, Tammuz, Indra, Buddha,+++
all intergrated by Constantine and given the name Christmas to appease Messianic Jews. Christ is a given name for Bacchus. Noel which people sing is No - El No ELohim no Mighty One, people call "God" which is also derived from Paganism and was given to our Father and his son, The Elohim, Mighty Ones of heaven. We know who is the great deceiver. read Ex 23:13.
---Toby on 11/21/06


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ComonHerb::Are you a christian or a joker? humour is one thing, but ceases to be, when it it Defames the purpose for which God came to redeem the world. May be you do not need it! but there are others who take umbrage at your blasphemy of Jesus.Please desist .while you are still able.Remember Zechariah?
---Emcee on 11/21/06


**When you say "Merry Christmas", you are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"**

Would it do any good to point out to Rev Herb that this celebration is called "Birthday" or something similar in other languages?

Christougenna (Birth of Christ)--Greek
Nativitas--Latin
Natividad--Spanish
Natale--Italian
Noel--French

In Orthodoxy, the full name is "The Holy Nativity According to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ."
---Jack on 11/21/06


**Jesus already was!**

This is the point that you're missing.

Yes, the Logos/Word--the Son--already was.

But He was not known as the man Jesus until incarnate in the womb of Mary.

So don't say, "Jesus already was." Because that's His name in His human nature which He had not been given yet.

BTW--we've answered your objection from Scripture.

Are you going to prove YOUR point--that Jesus did NOT take flesh from Mary--by the Bible?

Probably not.
---Jack on 11/21/06


Laure :If you have they are Not affiliated to the RCC.Another denomination!! I have met several devils advocates who say they are christian,but I do not believe them.By their fruit you shall know them. BTW Syria is not in India.May be you are refering to a convert.
---Emcee on 11/21/06


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Rev Herb......I Thank JESUS CHRIST everyday for dieing for me. JESUS is LORD !!
---JIM on 11/21/06


**"Mass"(a catholic word) in religious usage means a "death sacrifice."**

You've already given this stupid and totally false etymology elsewhere, RevHerb, and it was wrong then, too.

Say it again, and again, and it will STILL be wrong no matter how many times you say it.

"Mass" is the English form of the Latin word "Missa", from "missio", or duty done for and by the people. (whence the English word "mission").
---Jack on 11/21/06


Most people think that the word, "Christmas" means "the birth of Christ." By definition, it means "death of Christ" "Mass"(a catholic word) in religious usage means a "death sacrifice." When you say "Merry Christmas", you are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"

So are you really celibrating Christ's birth?
---Rev_Herb on 11/21/06


**Regional Counterfeit Corporation. Or else, Roman Catholic Church.**

APE--Always Purely Evil. Or else, American Pop Evangelicals.

How do you like that, Eloy?
---Jack on 11/21/06


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Bruce5656 - I hope I do not come across as being argumentative because that is not my intention. What you have said does not make sense to me. God was talking to the serpent and the enmity is between those who belong to the devil and those who belong to Christ. "Crush his head ..." speaks of the Cross where Jesus defeated the devil. I cannot understand why you say it is Eve's flesh that is being spoken of.
---Helen_5378 on 11/21/06


Bruce5656 - Hi. What really puzzles me is that if Jesus took His flesh from Mary, then how did He do it? I mean, Jesus already was! i.e. Jesus already was God with no beginning and no end. If Mary's egg was used, then surely a completely new human being was created? If I am wrong, then there is something I am not getting here.
---Helen_5378 on 11/21/06


** If Jesus didn't receive His human side or genes from Mary, who/what did he get from? .....
Who say otherwise here?**

Scroll down; you'll see.
---Jack on 11/21/06


PART ONE:
Helen,
You will have to take that up with the author of the book. He is the one who inspired it to be written
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Clearly, it is not a matter of who has "seed" (which by the way is subject to various definations) but rather that the redeemer be of Eve's flesh and blood.
---Bruce5656 on 11/20/06


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PART TWO:
A true descendant of Eve after the flesh.
Roman 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

As I have pointed out before, if it were not necessary for Jesus to be of Mary;s flesh, there was no need for the virgin brith at all. He could have just appeared on the scene as he did with Abraham in the OT in the appearance of a man.
---Bruce5656 on 11/20/06


Regional Counterfeit Corporation. Or else, Roman Catholic Church.
---Eloy on 11/21/06


Emcee - for your information, there ARE St Thomas Indians. I have met one, personally. SOME owe allegiance to the RCC, but the vast majority follow the Syrian Orthodox Church, which is NOT RCC.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


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