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Is This The Rapture

Is this the rapture." After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Revelation 4:1; comments

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"Is this the rapture."

No. That verse is where John is caught up in a vision.
---Adam on 12/4/07


The Greek phrase,meta,tauta is used"After these things(after the things concerning the churches)I looked,a door was opened in heaven,the first voice said,Come up hither,I will show thee things which must be after these things,"after the churches.This confirms and settles the question as to the time of the fulfillment of all the events of Rev.4-22.They must be after the things of the churches,after the rapture of the church.The church is no longer on earth when the events of Rev.4-22 take place.
---Tommy on 12/2/07


Revelations 4:1 has nothing at all to do with the Rapture. The voice who called to John spoke to John and John only. Had that not been the case the entire Body of Christ would have gone up also. Paul himself was 'caught up' also many years before. Was that a rapture also? John said "I heard". He was the only one spoken to and the only one who heard.Adding "after the churches are gone" wishful thinking!
---jack8937 on 11/1/07


Jack and several others are exactly right. The Rapture is 'but' the 2nd half of the RESURRECTION.This takes place at the 7th Trump. Only then does God's WRATH COME.(Rev 11:15-18) Who are the 'SAINTS' anti-christ makes war with? Are these Jews who have rejected Jesus? Today's 'Great-escape advocates' add the phrase "After the churches are gone" to Rev 4:1 This Theory hatched by those who believe themselves 'more precious' to God than Peter, Paul, James & many others.
---jack8937 on 10/30/07


No. It was a vision John had. He was taken to heaven in the spirit, so that he could record the things that are to come.
---laure5759 on 5/18/07




-laure5759. What don't you understand?

The Book of Revelation all got to do with the "future". John wrote down what he "saw" in his vision. This book is a prophetic book. Hope this helps.
---Ramon on 11/24/06


Rev.4:1 can be compared to the "Rapture" in I Thess.4:13-14 [Starship Enterprise], Paul's trip to the 3rd Heaven, Enoch being taken by G_d to His Heaven, Elijah's trip to Heaven in a fiery chariot propelled by a whirlwind (someone went to 'Oz' that way), among other things. Read what John wrote in Rev.5:1-(*13)14. By personal examples I try to show how some 'tales'/stories originate from the scriptures, not man [The Longest Day of Joshua & "The Day The Earth Stood Still", etc].
---Bob_[Elishama] on 11/22/06


Actually Kathr, the place I know of where the term "(the) great tribulation" appears (Rev 7:14) speaks, not of The Great 7-yr tribulation, but of current era and tribulation. However, there is a seven year last period of greatest tribulation when the first believers have been raptured and the devil rules and people worship him and what not. But the bible doesn't seem to have a specific name-tag for that era, and we choose to call it "The Great Tribulation". Call it what you will.
---Okebaram on 11/22/06


Actually, Mima, that wasn't the rapture. That was an introduction or an announcement of the second portion of John's vision which was going to fortell the future (that is now our present and our future). Before then all John had seen applied directly only to his current time. But the rapture is a sure thing.
---Okebaram on 11/22/06


Rev Herb, The Bible says we enter the Kingdom of God through much tribulation. There is tribulation all over the world,and Christians are being murdered every second.
We will not be subjected to God's WRATH, that's for sure. Romans 5 says through tribulation we have hope, and hope makes us not ashamed,because the Love of God is shed abroad in us by the Holy Spirit.
Do you know the word "THE"great Tribulation,"THE was added and not in the original text.I've often wondered about that.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/06




Ramon - "At this point in Revelation" was 75 years after Christ's death. And at the end of Revelation - after John is supposedly raptured - he is sent back to earth and told to write down all that he saw, so that all Christians may know?

To me, it doesn't make sense.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


The rapture happens before the tribulation. The church will not go through the tribulation and many falsely believe. If you think you are going through the rapture, I fell sorry for you.
---Rev_Herb on 11/21/06


#2. 2) The Bride of Christ (i.e, the church) appears in Ch 19 already with Christ in Heaven before He returns to earth to judge the wicked and to reign in the millennial kingdom (20:4)

3) The promise given to the Philadelphia church to keep it from the hour of worldwide trial pertains to all believers who stand true to Christ before the tribulation (3:10).Either way, they is no such thing as a "Post-Trib Rapture" as some here in these blogs falsely published.
---Ramon on 11/20/06


I believe the rapture takes place before the tribulation. God's elect need not go through the tribulation; it is those "foolish virgins" and those who know God but can not yet accept Jesus's salvation message. The rapture must come after the false church is ruling the earth but before Death and Hell are loosed. This would be between Rev.6:7&8.
---mikefl on 11/20/06


They is mixed reviews. But overall it's most likely speaking of the Rapture. Many Bible expositors believe that at this point in Revelation, Christ has already taken the faithful overcomer's of His Churches out of the world.

Thus, the catching up of the true Church precedes the tribulation period (Rev Ch 6:18). This is believed for the following reasons: 1) Beginning with 4:1, the terms "church" or "churches" disappear until 22:16.
---Ramon on 11/20/06


No, it is not the Rapture. It is when John is caught up to the throne room of God, as in the verses following this.
---Helen_5378 on 11/20/06


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** Yes, this is the rapture chapter, the church is never mentioned again after that. Some say the church is mentioned after that but they mis inturpet the bible there.**

Since the Rapture takes place after the Tribulation, and Revelation describes this period, how can this verse rever to the Rapture?

Any exegesis that puts the Rapture before the Tribulation misinterprets the Bible.
---Jack on 11/20/06


Yes, this is the rapture chapter, the church is never mentioned again after that. Some say the church is mentioned after that but they mis inturpet the bible there.
---Rev_Herb on 11/20/06


No.

"Come up hither" (as KJV renders it) refers to John himself, and not the Church.

The events of the Tribulation are what are described in Revelation, and the Church will be here for it.

The Rapture, or gathering, comes AFTER the Tribulation as is made clear in Matthew 23-24, and 1 Thess 5, and as Christians beleived universally until the fantasies of Darby.
---Jack on 11/20/06


John is telling of his being called up to heaven. yet he also uses the same phrase in chapt 11 when the two witnesses are bodily taken up to heaven. ask the Lord what it means.
---JaeR on 11/19/06


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