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When Are Christians Sealed

Ephesians 1:13," In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," question; After you hear the gospel and believe it are you sealed with the Holy Spirit?

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 ---mima on 11/19/06
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" I God gives me ETERNAL life then I cannot loose it."
I see your point!
---Nana on 11/23/06


God is eternal. God gives ETERNAL life. I God gives me ETERNAL life then I cannot loose it. If I could loose it, then it is not ETERNAL. If it is not eternal, then God is not eternal. Or does ETERNAL have two meaning?
---Rev_Herb on 11/22/06


Elder, you tell mima that the verse has the answer. Of coure, it does!
Doesn't it SPECIFICALLY say: "...in whom also AFTER THAT YE BELIEVED, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"?
God does pre-destine us for specific callings before we are saved. But we need to obey or make the choice to answer His persuasion, then He SEALS the deal. AND God does not exempt anyone from the fundamental pre-destination to salvation. I'm gonna need an "Amen" from you Elder. :-)
---Okebaram on 11/21/06


Does not the verse you quote give you the answer Mima? Unless you are trying to start a dialog.
Mrs. Morgan is not pride a sin? Tell me how many times you yourself have been "lost" again.
Jesus promises to present us to the Father faultless.
Many don't understand the "Seal." A seal can only be broken or opened by the one in authority. No Christian by his actions has that power.
Ananias and Sapphiras bodies were destroyed because of their sin. Not their Salvation.
---Elder on 11/21/06


A better question might be "What does it mean to be "sealed?"
---Bruce5656 on 11/21/06




(1.)Rev_Herb, You are picking Scriptures and making private interpretation's of them(the proof of this is that your reasoning doesn't "harmonize with" John 15, and the "rest of the Word of God"). Scriptures must be compared with other Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Yes, the Holy Spirit seals God's people until the day of redemption, but the Word proves that "seal" is contingent upon people "Abiding IN CHRIST", in "HIS WORD" .
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/21/06


(2.)Rev_Herb, We are not robots, but have "FREE-WILL" and must make the right decisions everyday, letting the Holy Spirit direct our path. And Yes, the Word says that God's people are the temple of the Holy Ghost, but that is contingent upon holiness through Christ, and obedience to His Word. The Holy Spirit gets grieved by Christian's who continually resist Him, and in many cases He will "lift from them", He will not tolerate those who continually grieve Him. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/21/06


#2
They said:
Acts 5:32: "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom
God hath given to them that obey him." That sums it up how it goes. The key is obedience.
Acts 8, Peter and John went to Samaria and prayed for them that had received the word that they
may receive the Holy Ghost even though they "they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus".
We know about Cornelius. Saul had heard the Gospel but did not believe for sure.
---Nana on 11/21/06


#3
On the road to Damascus he did say "Who art thou, Lord?" and "Lord, what wilt thou have me
to do?" Sounds like commitment to service and obedience to me.
---Nana on 11/21/06


#4
A Rev on this forum once made the statement that the Unforgivable Sin; Blasphemy against the
Holy Ghost, could only be committed while Jesus walked on earth. These days it has become a seal?
Unbreakable even? How about Acts 5, the account of "Ananias, with Sapphira his wife"? Till
death did they part for sure!
---Nana on 11/21/06




#5
Why is there always some that find so much offense with the mere mention of "obedience"?
Philipians 2:7: "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and
was made in the likeness of men:
Philipians 2:8: "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto
death, even the death of the cross."
---Nana on 11/21/06


#6
Jesus said to his disciples (not the multitude):
Luke 12:5: "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed
hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

God may well be even more than an "indian giver" for he does not just expect back what he
gave. He expects we magnify what has been entrusted to us and if we can't do that, at the very
least we should deposit it in the bank so that at least it earns interest!
---Nana on 11/21/06


Linda,
I looked that sermon and read it for the first time. That man surely sounded good hearted and
shows a lot of love for his fellow men.
---Nana on 11/21/06


#1
God can at the moment of conversion grant the promise of the Spirit but is not what I find it is
the rule of the matter. The disciples who walked with Jesus had to waith until his ascension to
receive the promise. Jesus held them in his hand till then. : )
---Nana on 11/21/06


Rev Herb - Jesus says "remain in Me, and I will remain in you." If we do not remain (abide) in Him, how can He remain (abide) in us?
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


If we are saved by God's grace and sealed by His Holy Spirit, and He has the power to save us without our help, Doesn't He have the power to keep us as well, or do we become stronger than God and take ourselves away from him? I had nothing to do with my salvation, it is a gift of God, if I loose my salvation, then God must be an indian giver.
---Rev_Herb on 11/20/06


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If I can peaches and then they are sealed, Then can the cans of peaches unseal themselves if they have been sealed right? How then can we break God's seal on us, he placed it there and we can no more remove that seal than the peaches.
---Rev_Herb on 11/20/06


Mrs. Morgan, If wilful sin can break that seal, then how do you explain:Eph4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
---Rev_Herb on 11/20/06


A CALL TO BACKSLIDERS
John Wesley
SERMON 86

(text from the 1872 edition)
I think this may answer many questions .It has for me .
John Wesley believed in holines of heart and life .Was an evangelist ,hymn writer sermon writer and great theologian who loved Jesus .
---Linda on 11/20/06


(1.)At the moment of Salvation, But willful sin will "break that seal",only one's self can break that seal, and many have sadly done that(some were never "sealed in the first place"),God cannot mingle with sin(Light can't mix with darkness)sincere godly repentance is required,in the case of "willful sin" or else one is backsliden(lost)(1 Tim 5:15). God in not the author of confusion.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/20/06


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(2.)What can separate us from God? Sin/disobedience. Some refuse to accept that a Christian can backslide,that very dangerous false doctrine that has destroyed many,The Word states:(2 Corinthians 7:9-11)(Hebrews 10:26,27)(Hebrews 6:4-7)(2 Peter 2:20-22). God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/20/06


Yes. IF you accept Jesus as your Saviour. It is possible to believe the Gospel is the truth, and NOT to act on it. Only if you accept Jesus as your Lord, Master and Saviour are you sealed with the Holy Spirit.
---laure5759 on 11/20/06


"After you hear the gospel and believe it are you sealed with the Holy Spirit?"

Yes. The moment you begin trusting Christ you are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
---Kay on 11/20/06


Yes, you are sealed at the moment of conversion. That means you cannot loose your salvation.
---Rev_Herb on 11/20/06


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Yes, praise the Lord, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit at our conversion; HE IS GOOD! :)
---Mary on 11/19/06


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