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What Are Private Tongues

Is Rom.8:26 talking of the private tongues of prayer to God?

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This is a good topic. I suggest one go to the Greek and see what the difference is between tongues and tongue because the plural and singular in Pauls letter to the Corinthians makes a distinct difference. One is defined gibberish and the other is defined speaking in a language other than your own. If one does not understand the difference then one will be led down all sort of heretical paths.
---Brooks on 8/29/08

The tongues are used for a private conversation between you and God. Not all things can be or should be spoken out loud. When are in your your deepest prayer thoughts and coversations, and totally open to God. This is when I believe you achieve that oneness with Jesus that intercedes for usd with God. You can read all the scriptures you want but, until you open up and have that relationship with him, speaking with "tongues", might not seem possible.
I am a witness of the Holy Spirit using tongues to communicate in private prayer.
---Bishop_C. on 8/28/08

mark b."if it's causing division then it isn't private." correct - no one who claims to speak in tongues on this blog is being *private about it. Many times it's used as a "Badge of Honor" among Christians. -causing division.
---faith on 7/17/07

Dannyboy, you can pray in the spirit many other ways man, i believe tongues is just one way of praying in the spirit...i would also think it would be great if you did a huge study on what fits into praying in the spirit b/c one way could be more awesome to you than another way
---mark_B. on 7/3/07

Have those of you that speak tongues ever considered that from YOUR perspective...those of us that don't, can't pray in the Spirit? That means every time the bible mentions praying in, or in the Spirit that in your eyes it's impossible for us to do so. I'd like to think that God made the bible for all of us therefore we have to look at "in the Spirit" in the same manner.
---DANNYBOY on 7/3/07

If it causes division then your not being very private about it...
---mark_B. on 7/2/07

I believe when it says "edifies himself" Paul is condeming. Everything we do should edify "others"
That God spoke to men in a way they could understand leaving no doubt.
That Satan was and is an angel so there's no secret language hide things from him.
That the true gift was to spread the word in any language.
And that God wants us all to be like minded in unity to do his work. To hang on to something like tongues and cause a division is not what God wanted.
---DANNYBOY on 7/2/07

I believe Romans 8:26 is speaking of intercessory prayer whether in private or in a group. It is in tongues and is when the Spirit of God literally takes over and prays through the person usually with very deep groanings.
---Helen_5378 on 7/2/07

I believe tongues is my prayer language.
Sometimes I have no idea how to put words to my prayers. At that time I pray in the Spirit/tongues. It strenthens me and I know that the Spirit of God is praying through me. Such a powerful tool.
---Debra on 7/1/07

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

It says groanings, nothing about tongues.I sometimes groan in the spirit, not knowing just what to say.
---Rev_Herb on 7/1/07

Praying in the Holy Spirit is a day and night meditation. If there is a Bible verse you're trying to understand, your spirit man processes it even when you sleep. It unlocks mysteries of the Word. You can meditate on the Word while praying in the Spirit. The Word transforms your mind. Praying in the Holy Spirit is not about your emotions or feelings.
---Raine on 11/29/06

The prayer of faith, the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You need the ability to stand your ground against opposition until the mountain moves. If you don't have enough strength, the Holy Spirit brings you into a place where you can hold your ground until the answers come. Answers to prayer, answers for interpretation of God's Word.
---Raine on 11/29/06

Praying this way always affects you in a positive way. The Holy Spirit removes worry, fear, depression, no hope... God's Word becomes alive. No matter how unspiritual or hopeless you feel, when you begin praying your faith builds. It is a gift that brings victory and freedom in your heart.
---Raine on 11/29/06

Sam: My understanding is Christians must pray in accordance with the word of God (the Bible). We should, "meditate day & night" (Ps. 1:2 & 2 Tim 2:15) on what God says by the leading of His Holy Spirit. After all, prayer is agreeing with what God has already said, aligning our will to His will as Jesus taught . We're to always "amen" (agree) with the word of God. Often we don't understand & have great difficulty (groan) expressing ourselves to God; but, He knows....
---Leon on 11/28/06

Leon...God speaks to his people in other tongues....
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
---sam on 11/27/06

Leon..when a christian prays according to their own understanding it may or may not be the will of God. But when the pray in tongues, even though they don't understand, it is the Holy Spirit (part of the Trinity) praying to God. And the Holy Spirit only speaks God's word, so it has to come to pass, whatever it is!
---sam on 11/27/06

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How do we know that when we pray in the spirit, or in tongues, that it is God's will. Let's examine the scriptures:
Like God, the Holy Spirit knows everything (1 Cor. 2:10-11; John 14:26).
---sam on 11/27/06

Thanks Sam for your reply. We obviously see 1 Cor. 14:1...differently. :) The whole of scripture shows me a distinct contrast between self-serving versus serving God & helping meet the needs of others. I struggle with the idea that any Christian would need an unknown (private) tongue to talk to God. Especially a tongue they don't understand. I don't see how a one-way communication of this type could be edifying. Throughout scripture God clearly speaks to man in the known world languages.
---Leon on 11/27/06

Leon...tongues are for edifying yourself when you are praying to God in private prayer. When speaking in church, as Paul was talking about, and someone gives a prophesy in tongues, and it is intepreted, then everyone is edified. They are two different situations. You also must look at the Bible as a whole and not just making doctrine out of one scripture.
---sam on 11/27/06

I realize you had a terrible experience with "Pentecostals" however, I assure you, what you experienced is not typical.

You will find extreem/fringe groups in any denomination. That is no reason to throw out the baby with the bath water so to speak.

With respect, I suggest that the fact you are still holding on to the tapes 20 years later indicates that you need to let these things go brother and move on!
---Bruce5656 on 11/26/06

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Romans 8:26 has absolutely nothing to do with a so-called "private prayer language" (aka an unknown tongue) & everything to do with non-verbal groanings, i.e., sighing, when we just don't know what to say to God, the Father, while we pray. God, the Holy Spirit, knows & intercedes on our behalf. (Romans 8:27)
---Leon on 11/26/06

To all who advocate private prayer language : Please ask "yourself" are tongues for edifying one's "self" or for edifying the church? Was Paul validating speaking in so-called unknown tongues or was he showing the folly of "self-indulgence" over clearly prophesying (speaking) the word of God & properly interpretating tongues (glossolalia, known human languages) in the church? 1 Cor. 14:1 is very clear when read in context with 14:2-....
---Leon on 11/26/06

Mikem should consider reading this:
The measurement of regional cerebral blood flow during glossolalia: A preliminary SPECT study
Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging, Volume 148, Issue 1, 22 November 2006, Pages 67-71
Andrew B. Newberg, Nancy A. Wintering, Donna Morgan and Mark R. Waldman
---Pat on 11/26/06

Bruce; As a Teen I would secretly tape record pentacostal meetings. We boys would make up noises-or quote Shakespeare for the Bible and get intrepretations. For a long time we did not get caught. Lets just say when found out I ran for my life, the pastors want them tapes real bad, as they exposed thm as fakes. I went 1500 miles to escape them,and their rage-They wanted those tapes bad, maybe enough to kill I still have the tapes after 20 years.
---MikeM on 11/26/06

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Once in conversation with a prominent religious leader I made the statement that I speak in tongues and that I had never been interpreted. At which time he said neither have I and told me to study first Corinthians 14:2. I did and I soon saw that private tongues will never be interpreted.
---mima on 11/26/06

** test the spirit to know if it is of the Holy Spirit,**

Once upon a time someone who claiemd the gift of interpretation was at a meeting, and a man stood up and said something. The interpreter began the "My children, I am with you to bless you," and the speaker pointed out that he had said the Lord's Prayer in Biblical Greek.

Why didn't the Holy Spirit recognize this?
---Jack on 11/26/06

**I am thinking of personal testimonies that I have heard over the years. I have no way to prove it. **

Why am I not surprised?
---Jack on 11/26/06 test the spirit to know if it is of the Holy Spirit, or a counterfit. Rachel is right that cults like LDS have counterfit tongues, but there are speaking in tongues that are gifts of the Holy Spirit, and if you reject them, you risk blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
---sam on 11/25/06

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I am thinking of personal testimonies that I have heard over the years. I have no way to prove it. I had no reason to think these people were lying to me. The testimony of one was that he heard two women sing in French, in unison. They did not know French. This resulted in his salvation. Another involves a converted witch doctor in Africa who spoke in English, which he did not know and he was speaking about God in terms he could never have learned.
---Bruce5656 on 11/25/06

Jack; The point is I dont. The burden of proof is on those who say it is something other than bio-chemical in nature. Science is objective, experience is subjective.

Bruce; Prove it.

Drew; "not a Biblically supported response." You deny the existance of endorphines biochemistry and science itself? Do you go to the docter? You are here, the result of science. Did God in his wisdom endowed us with a mind and then ask us to forgo its use? Thats silly.
---MikeM on 11/25/06

Where did you get the idea that there are no examples of tongues as human language?**

How many of these examples have been verified by reliable authorities?

Can you please tell me where I can check this out for myself? I'm sure others would be interested, too.
---Jack on 11/25/06

** glossolalia is a release of endorphines into the bloodstream. it is measurable. It is seen in many cultures and is expressed in many religions.**

If glossolalia is found in "many religions", as you say here, how do you KNOW if a given example is of the Holy Spirit, and how do you prove it?
---Jack on 11/25/06

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As I pointed out to you before. The problem with your theory is that it does not take any "working up" or special music or length of worship to be able to pray, sing or worship in the Spirit. One can do so quietly, alone with out music or any other such thing.
---Bruce5656 on 11/25/06

Sorry MikeM...that is not a Biblically supported response you gave. I don't give a rip what science says...I want to know what God says!
---Drew on 11/25/06

The following in first Corinthians 14:2 is a description of a private prayer language."For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries". For this private tongue there is and will be no interpretation because the purpose of this private tongue is not for men but to God. It is done by the indwelling Holy Spirit within a person.
---mima on 11/25/06

Included in that group would also be the LDS. They pray in tongues, too.
---Rachel on 11/25/06

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glossolalia is a release of endorphines into the bloodstream. it is measurable. It is seen in many cultures and is expressed in many religions.
---MikeM on 11/25/06

Philip God bless you!
---Okebaram on 11/22/06

I found this on Rapture Ready website.
"There seems to be three types of the gift of tongues: First, a private prayer language that does not need to be interpreted (Rom. 8:26); second, a language that does need to be interpreted - this defines proper usage in the Christian congregation (Acts 19:6); and third, in the missionary context as it appears in the context of evangelism where people are presenting the Gospel (Acts 2:11)."
---Phillip on 11/21/06

The reason they are private (not documented as official language) is because the devil could then understand them, and no longer private. There are false tongues, false prophets, false healings, but then there are legitimate tongues, healings and prophets, teachers, .....
---Shiela on 11/21/06

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Where did you get the idea that there are no examples of tongues as human language?

I have heard numerous testimonies over the years of people that have spoken/prayed in tongues and have been understood. Hebrew, French and English are three examples. They would qualify as human language would they not?
---Bruce5656 on 11/21/06

A missionairy friend who had come back from Africa told of a man (the local witch-doctor) being converted and who began to praise and worship God in English. Expressing concepts about God he could not have known previously in a language he did not know.
---Bruce5656 on 11/21/06

I believe in all the gifts and offices. I attend a Baptist church that shuns anything penecostal. It's the only church out here in the middle of nowhere. The messages are sound, and order in church is good. I would prefer a Bapticostal church. I lay hands on myself and pray for myself, I praise and worship God with my whole heart. I have private tongues that I speak to God with. I am alive in Christ and I will not go through the motions or traditions of men, or deny the power of the Holy Ghost.
---Raine on 11/21/06

Private tongues are loaded with God's dunamis, power. They don't fall out of my mouth without my permission. They are a blessing, and so is the interpretation. There are probably some 'closet' believers in private tongues out there. If you don't believe in it, that's alright. Tongues are orchestrated and inspired by God, without man's intellect or engineering. Faith in them requires a response and confidence that goes beyond intellect. Faith in Jesus gives me the highest reward, my salvation.
---Raine on 11/21/06

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"Private tongues" or "prayer language" is a helpless attempt to explain why there are no verifiable occurrences of pentecostal-style glossolalia is an actual human language.
---Jack on 11/21/06

Just last night engaged in lengthy discussion about this verse Romans 8:26 and its meaning with two Bible students! We agreed that infirmities here meant our not understanding how we should pray. The text plainly states that it is the spirit that makes intercession for us. And we think these groanings come through our physical bodies and are caused by the Holy Spirit. Does this constitute a private prayer language, sounds reasonable to me.
---mima on 11/21/06

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