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The true meaning of Christmas is nothing related to our Lord: Lord have mercy..It represents St Niclaus who made it up. It also reps Tammus the son of Semaranus wife of Nimrod, fathered by a naughty priest. Semaranus lied the sun got her with child so everyone worshiped the son of the sun born on 25 Dec. Those who celebrate it as Christs birthday unknowinly do it for Tammus, an insult to Christ
---jana on 7/27/07


In the 5 NT incidents of G3608 Jesus is buried with LINEN CLOTHS (rags); there is a connection between birth and death clothes.

Ezek 16:4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all
---Observer on 7/19/07


Harper Collins Bible Dictionary states,

"The actual date of Jesus' birth is unknown.There is no evidence of celebrating the Nativity before the third century..The celebration of the Nativity is attested in Rome in A.D.336..on the selection of December 25,..this date had already been a major pagan festival,of Sol Invictus,the'birth'of the'Unconquerable Sun'..Christmas replaced the pagan festival,Christians having applied'Sun of Righteousness'(Mal.4:2)to Christ."
---Lari_S on 1/25/07


The Holman Bible Dictionary states,

"No evidence remains about the exact date of the birth of Christ. The December 25 date was chosen as much for practical reasons as for theological ones...In Rome, the Feast of the Unconquerable Sun celebrated the beginning of the return of the sun... The winter solstice seemed an appropriate time to celebrate Christ's birth.Thus,the festival of the sun became a festival of the Son,the Light of the world."
---Lari_S on 1/17/07


.audrey, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ and is in absolutely no way pagan at all, but you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 1/16/07




Audrey .... Did the pagans have a Christ among them. did they know that name? Of course they did not.
It is nonsense to suggest that to celbrate the birth of Chjrist is of pagan origin, although it is the norm for that to be stated here.
We celebrate the birth of Christ,. not the birth of anyone else, not some fertility rite.
Maybe the time of year is wrong ... but so what? We celebrate and give thanks for the coming of our Saviour.
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/16/07


eloy:
Christ's birth isn't pagan, it's CHRISTMAS that is of pagan origin! I think it is well explained here by others. God says not to learn the ways of the 'heathen' and that's exactly what a lot of mainstream christians do anyway.
---audrey on 1/16/07


.lariS, "Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20. The Holy Scriptures that you are asking for I posted to Stewart below. Jesus' birth date on the night of December 25, 5 B.C. between 7 and 8 o'clock according to the Holy Bible: Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:1-7; Haggai 2:15,18,19; Daniel 9:25; Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27; Luke 3:23; Matthew 26:20; Luke 2:8.
---Eloy on 1/16/07


.lariS, "Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20. The Holy Scriptures that you are asking for I posted to Stewart below. Jesus' birth date on the night of December 25, 5 B.C. between 7 and 8 o'clock according to the Holy Bible: Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:1-7; Haggai 2:15,18,19; Daniel 9:25; Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27; Luke 3:23; Matthew 26:20,21; Luke 2:8.
---Eloy on 1/16/07


"Scripture proves that Christ was born on the night of December 25, 5 B.C., which I have elucidated for all to know the truth."-Eloy

What scriptures?????

Eloy, its a shame that you continue to make outlandish and incorrect statements which have no historical or scriptural basis.Your fictional and pseudo-research really makes it very difficult for anyone to take you seriously.I will continue to post the facts while you continue to post fiction.
---Lari_S on 1/16/07




lariS, Mithras contrived beginning in Dec. 25, 274 came after Jesus' historical birth in December 25, 5 B.C., another indication that the pagan Mithras has absolutely nothing to do with the birth of Christ. Scripture proves that Christ was born on the night of December 25, 5 B.C., which I have elucidated for all to know the truth. This blog is about the real historical Jesus Christ and the gospel, and not about Mithras, Solstices, Santa Clauses, or any other pagan observances which were contrived later.
---Eloy on 1/15/07


lariS, I suggest you believe the Holy Scriptures which are spoken by God, rather than the man-made uninspired catholic encyclopaedias."To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, because they have no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
---Eloy on 1/15/07


The New Catholic Encyclopaedia states,

"the birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian calendar,...., because on this day, as the Sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithras celebrated the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Birthday of the Invincible Sun). On December 25, 274, [Roman Emperor] Aurelian had proclaimed the Sun God the principal patron of the Empire and dedicated a temple to Him in the Campus Martius."
---Lari_S on 1/15/07


Stewart, It was not a council. Many of the Christians in Jerusalem at that time wanted to know the true date of Jesus' birth, so Cyril the bishop travelled to Rome to obtain it from the taxation records which was commanded by Caesar Augustus in 5 B.C. And he reported that December 25th was the date given to him. Thus Christmas was celebrated with confirmation by the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem at that time.
---Eloy on 1/14/07


Stewart, a lot of councils were formed to establish "creeds" and "standards" for authoritative precedents in the churches, but bishop Cyril went to Rome where the records were kept solely to obtain the birth date of Jesus for the inquiring parishoners in Jerusalem. The date, December 25, given to bishop Cyril from the tax record coincides with the scripture; also there is no reason at all for the record holder to defraud the requested birth date.
---Eloy on 1/14/07


Clearly I see that faith for many on here is a very rare commodity indeed. Please read Matthew 13:58; James 1:6,7.
---Eloy on 1/14/07


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Has God says that he wants us to fly around in aircraft?
I don't find such permission or instruction in the Bible.
Since God has not forbidden us to celebrate the birth of Jesus, or our own birthdays, I cannot she why we chould not do so
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/14/07


Bishop Cyril 4th century A.D. was that the council of Nicea? or was there another?
---stewart on 1/14/07


Stewart, pt. 4: So these facts, both internal and external witnesses, the believers believe that the date December 25, which people have been celebrating the birth of Christ for about 2,000 years since the time that the shepherds and the magi came to his feed rack, is correct. And the birth of Christ has absolutely nothing at all to do with the pagan Mithras or any other pagan celebration.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


There is no meaning of Christmas in God's eyes.

Does God want us to celebrate our birthdays every year? Jesus is no longer a baby. The only thing God truly wants is to have a close, intimate relationship with his people. Nothing else in this world He cares about.
---Steveng on 1/13/07


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Dec 25 is not the birth of Christ. Jesus was born in September between the first and second week. No one actually knows what day it was because, the Jews were watching for his birth to kill him. Dec 21- aprox Jan 1 represents the winter solstice which is a pagan sun worship practice that was carried into Christian worship.
---Kimberly on 1/13/07


Stewart, pt 3: Shortly after the persecution of the early church the date of Jesus' birth became uncertain. Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century A.D., requested to have the true date of Jesus' birth given to him from the taxation records kept in Rome. Cyril reported that December 25th was the date given to him. Thus Christmas was celebrated with confirmation by the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem at that time.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


Stewart, pt. 2: The prophet Haggai did prophesy that from December 24, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the Lord, from this date and upward, from the day that the foundation of the Temple is laid, God will begin to bless his people, and the latter temple will be more glorious than the first temple. And scripture prophesies that Jesus is the cornerstone. Haggai 2:15,18,19.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


Stewart, part 1: The ground was parched, and the weather cold enough for Jesus to be swaddled, which can only be in December and January. Christ was born during the tax season commanded by Caesar Augustus. "For he springs up as a suckling in his presence, and as a root out of parched ground...And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes..." Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:7.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


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Stewart, part 1: The ground was parched, and the weather cold enough for Jesus to be swaddled, which can only be in December and January. Christ was born during the tax season commanded by Caesar Augustus. "For he springs up as a suckling in his presence, and as a root out of parched ground...And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes..." Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:7.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


Stewart, pt. 2: The prophet Haggai did prophesy that from December 24, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the Lord, from this date and upward, from the day that the foundation of the Temple is laid, God will begin to bless his people, and the latter temple will be more glorious than the first temple. And scripture prophesies that Jesus is the cornerstone. Haggai 2:15,18,19.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


Stewart, pt 3: Shortly after the persecution of the early church the date of Jesus' birth became uncertain. Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century A.D., requested to have the true date of Jesus' birth given to him from the taxation records kept in Rome. Cyril reported that December 25th was the date given to him. Thus Christmas was celebrated with confirmation by the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem at that time.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


Stewart, pt. 4: So these facts, both internal and external witnesses, the believers believe that the date December 25, which people have been celebrating the birth of Christ for about 2,000 years since the time that the shepherds and the magi came to his feed rack, is correct. And the birth of Christ has absolutely nothing at all to do with the pagan Mithras or any other pagan celebration.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


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Christmas is a false teaching of the catholics that Jesus was born on that day. Christ's Mass.
---bula on 1/12/07


Eloy thank you for the explanation of measurement and observance, and the 5 b.c. what I don't get is the arrival to the Dec 25 again. Can you explain.
---stewart on 1/12/07


Stewart, the practice of using a leap year of 366 days every 4th year is not a Biblical practice. The old Hebrew standard of time was basically 12 months from Abib to Adar with 30 days each. As for solar versus lunar measurement, days were measured from even (sunset 6pm) to the following even (sunset 6pm) counting this as 1 day, and 30 of these consecutively totalled 1 month. The Hebrews observed the new moons in order to observe certain sabbaths and feast days.
---Eloy on 1/11/07


Stewart, I reiterate: His birth is (69 weeks= 69 x 7 yrs)= 483 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25). The decree was made the 7th year of Artaxerxes 40 year reign= 458 B.C. (Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27). Jesus began to minister at 30 years of age (Luke 3:23). Now count forward 483 years from 458 B.C.= 26 A.D. (1 is added because there is no date "0"); now count back 30 years= 5 B.C. (1 added again because there is no "0").
---Eloy on 1/11/07


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Eloy, I get the 483 years. Seven times seven plus sixty-two times seven comes to 483 years. Okey you're right on that, or I agree on that.

Would you know by chance the date or apporximate dates of the 40 year reign of Artexerses or what was the date of his seventh year in power. Working at it.
---stewart on 1/10/07


Although aligning solar time with lunar time is an adjustment, it may be Eloy that you could be correct on the Dec 24 although there may be some minor variation. I guess I'll have to look at the rest of the calculation. Does the extra month added every leap year or any postponements play a part in arriving on Dec 25 far in the future.
---stewart on 1/10/07


Stewart, no. I reiterate: the 1st Hebrew 30 day month is Abib or Nisan= April; 2.Zif= May; 3.Siuan= June; 4.Tammuz= July; 5.Ab= August; 6.Elul= September; 7.Ethanim= October; 8.Bul= November; 9.Chisleu= December; 10.Tebeth= January; 11.Shebat= February; 12.Adar= March.
---Eloy on 1/10/07


.Toby, The English divide the year up into 4 (spring, summer, autumn, winter) seasons, of 3 months each; but in the Bible the seasons were according to sowing and harvesting and according to the temperature of winter and summer. Please read Genesis 8:22. And the 69 weeks have nothing to do with gestation of birth, but it was the completion of God's judgment for Israel's sin (both hands-Genesis 27:16-24, 10, times the week or 7, equals 70 weeks: Daniel 9:24-26).
---Eloy on 1/9/07


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.jack, There is no "V" in the Hebrew alphabet. I am called Christian, because Christ lives in me and I live in Christ. Therefore my judgment is the selfsame judgment as Christ's whom lives in me, and not some other judgment. "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." I John 3:7. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 1/9/07


I agree with you on that Eloy that Abib or Nisan is the first month and it corresponds to our April with variation therein. So the ninth month with inclusive counting would be ....December. If we count our months to correspond. But they had only 10 months I understood and the 10th month the last month of the year would fall just before the first month, of which we agree is Abib in April. Is this calculation correct.
---stewart on 1/10/07


Eloy. U say I wrongly joined 3 mths together. Year starts Abib - Sivan = Spring, Each season is 3 mths just like nature today and as Spring starts in Abib (April), Chisleu, is Fall/Autumn. Please show how that is wrong. Also U say "His birth is (69 weeks". Gestation as I understand it is 39 weeks so please explain. Cheers
---Toby on 1/9/07


I believe the true meaning of Christmas is, "God so loved the world he (sent and) gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall have everlasting life."
---Pat on 1/9/07


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.stewart, The first Hebrew month is the month called Abib or Nisan which correlates with April, which is the month for Passover and Jesus' Resurrection. Please read Exodus 12:1,2; Leviticus 23:5; Numbers 28:16; 33:3; Deuteronomy 16:1; II Chronicles 35:1; Esther 3:7.
---Eloy on 1/9/07


** .stewart, I give honor where honor is due, and I give righteous judgment where righteous judgment is due. When I speak truth and especially firsthand truth, and someone says I disbelieve you and your words you speak are not true, then they themselves have rightly judged themselves as a nonbeliever and they themselves have also blasphemed.**

Is your last name YHVH, perhaps?

It's only THIS One Who truly gives righteous judgement.
---Jack on 1/9/07


.toby, you wrongly congregated 3 months at a time together. The 1st Hebrew month starts with April and ends with March, but as for the seasons they are generally the same as our western culture, with winter being in December and January. Please read my earlier posts about the 69 weeks, in scripture it is understood to mean years; that is 7 years and 62 years, in the 7th year of Artaxerxes' reign- Daniel 9:25.
---Eloy on 1/9/07


.stewart, I give honor where honor is due, and I give righteous judgment where righteous judgment is due. When I speak truth and especially firsthand truth, and someone says I disbelieve you and your words you speak are not true, then they themselves have rightly judged themselves as a nonbeliever and they themselves have also blasphemed.
---Eloy on 1/9/07


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Eloy. OK so you are saying that the ninth month in the heavenly calendar falls in winter Whereas it is Fall / Autumn. Def not winter. Spring: April-June,(Abib-Sivan) Summer: July- Sept(Tammuz-Elul), Fall:Oct-Dec(Ethanim-Chisleu), Winter: Jan-March(Tebeth-Sebat). Also you say His birth is (69 weeks) What is, & where did you get, this?
---Toby on 1/9/07


Eloy, you sure are quick to call people unbelievers. I guess when you're that smart it's hard to put up with us little nin-com-poops. Can you colaborate that the Hebrew 9th month in Haggai is December by our time today. I'm not sure the 9th month can jump to the 12th month quite that easily? Interested.
---stewart on 1/8/07


.Toby, Jesus was born in the ninth Hebrew month of the Bible, and the contemporary twelfth month of North America, as I always correlate Biblical truth with present day truth.
---Eloy on 1/8/07


eloy thanks for info. please advise one thing
Are you talking 25 December as in the Gregorian Calendar or is it Chisleu as in Heavenly Calendar?

Caring, Why is it time wasting when we are instructed to Prove ALL things. Also if is not so and we are teaching our children then we are lying to our children
---Toby on 1/8/07


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Eloy you have your dates back to front and no Tammuz was born on the 25. You only need to read the story of Christs birth and the season to know that He was not born at the end of the year...You r being deceived very badly....
---mini on 1/6/07


.stewart, Daniel 9:24 is during Artaxerxes reign, and Daniel 9:25 begins at the decree Artaxerzes made in his 7th year of his 40 year reign. As far as my preaching the truth, it is always founded accurately and precisely upon the Word of God. But nonbelievers will deny the truth, and instead believe whatever they desire.
---Eloy on 1/6/07


.stewart, Daniel 9:24 is during Artaxerxes reign, whereas Daniel 9:25 begins at the decree Artaxerxes made in the 7th year of his 40 year reign.
---Eloy on 1/6/07


Is it very important to know the exact date of Jesus' birth? All I care is the He did come to earth, he preached and taught us how to live and that He died for us.

Why waste energy on trivial things like that?
---Caring on 1/6/07


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Obviously you have nothing left to say, but ridicule your own poorly founded, misrepresented, unbiblical, false argument.
---stewart on 1/6/07


.stewart, December 24 is Christmas eve. 1st Hebrew 30 day month is Abib or Nisan= April; 2.Zif= May; 3.Siuan= June; 4.Tammuz= July; 5.Ab= August; 6.Elul= September; 7.Ethanim= October; 8.Bul= November; 9.Chisleu= December; 10.Tebeth= January; 11.Shebat= February; 12.Adar= March. Jesus is the cornerstone spoken of in Haggai 2:15, he prophesied, that from December 24, from before the stone was laid upon a stone, which happened the night of December 25, from this day he blessed us.
---Eloy on 1/6/07


.stewart, because you are a nonbeliever you are moved to dis the truth. For if scripture otherwise would have said Mary brought forward Jesus and wetted his skin and laid him naked under the shade of a tree, rather than bind him up with swaddling; and other scriptures prophesied that that it was July 14 before the cornerstone was laid in the temple; and also a tax document recorded his birth as July 14; thus I would cite these witnesses, then for your unbelief you would still say it is not well-founded.
---Eloy on 1/6/07


.audrey, Please read your Bible. Christ's birth is not a pagan origin, Jeremiah does not forbid decking trees, but instead the carving of trees to look like men and then clothing them and worshipping them as idol gods, which has nothing to do with Christmas nor with decorated trees at Christmas.
---Eloy on 1/6/07


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Jesus was NOT!!!NOT BORN ON THE 25 PERIOD" it was Tammus the son of Nimrod that was born then ABSOLUTELY NOT CHRIST!!!. where is your proof that He was?? Because Semaranus was the most b.u.t.ful woman then, when Tammus grew up, he married his own mother...GROSSS...show us a text to say Christ did and where does it say we must remember His death? read past blogs about xmas..its pagan origin along with easter.
---mini on 1/6/07


Haggai 2: 18 "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORDS temple was laid, consider it." The 24th of the ninth month is not christmas eve. Although it is of interest that the 24th is used.
---stewart on 1/6/07


Eloy can you explain something. Verse 24 of Daniel 9 says; "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,." Verse 25 which you refer then says; "shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:" Sixty-nine weeks in vr. 25, and seventy in vr 24. I'm missing a week between 24 and 25. Do you have it.
---stewart on 1/6/07


Reading the posts, I see a few have noted that Christmas is of pagan origin. Christ did not command we observe his birth, but His death at Passover. Jeremiah instructs us not to keep traditions of the heathen. It also has an example of decking a tree!
---Audrey on 1/5/07


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Toby, part 1: Christ was born during the tax season commanded by Caesar Augustus. The season was winter, which can only be December or January: "For he springs up as a suckling in his presence, and as a root out of parched ground...And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes..." Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:7.
---Eloy on 1/5/07


pt.2: His birth is (69 weeks= 69 x 7 yrs)= 483 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25). The decree was made the 7th year of Artaxerxes 40 year reign= 458 B.C. (Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27). Jesus began to minister at 30 years of age (Luke 3:23). Now count forward 483 years from 458 B.C.= 26 A.D. (1 is added because there is no date "0"); now count back 30 years= 5 B.C. (1 added again because there is no "0").
---Eloy on 1/5/07


pt.3: The prophet Haggai did prophesy that from December 24, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the Lord, from this date and upward, from the day that the foundation of the Temple is laid, God will begin to bless his people, and the latter temple will be more glorious than the first temple. Haggai 2:15,18,19. Thus, Jesus birthday is December 25, 5 B.C.]
---Eloy on 1/5/07


pt.3: The prophet Haggai did prophesy that from December 24, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the Lord, from this date and upward, from the day that the foundation of the Temple is laid, God will begin to bless his people, and the latter temple will be more glorious than the first temple. Haggai 2:15,18,19. Thus, Jesus birthday is December 25, 5 B.C.]
---Eloy on 1/5/07


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pt.4: Jesus was born at night between 7 and 8 o'clock: the Jews eat their supper meal at even, from 6 to 7 p.m., so the shepherds would have eaten their supper meal before they took their flocks out at night, and the night comes after evening. "Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat...And the shepherds being in the same land, that of the field yards, and who keeping watch of the night over their flock." Matthew 26:20; Luke 2:8.
---Eloy on 1/5/07


pt.5: Christ was born during the tax season commanded by Caesar Augustus. Shortly after the persecution of the early church the date of Jesus' birth became uncertain. Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century A.D., requested to have the true date of Jesus' birth given to him from the taxation records kept in Rome. Cyril reported that December 25th was the date given to him. Thus Christmas was celebrated with confirmation by the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem at that time.
---Eloy on 1/5/07


Eloy: Your evidnece of correlation for birth and winter are not well founded. Using swaddling, tax records and a questionable Hebrew word that does not mean cold. Now you refer to a prophesy by Haggai to support the foundation of the temple as being Dec 24 as if was there. It is not there. What is there is a date yes, the twentieth day of the ninth month, not Dec 24. Ghastly.
---stewart on 1/5/07


Eloy, #1 sorry its taken so long for me to respond.I'm in the middle of preparing my eldest for her wedding this week.I would like to know where you were able to obtain Roman records of Jesus' birth.I would like to read those myself.Everyone who stated what they did about swaddling is right,they are the best clothes to wrap a baby in.
---chestnut_burr on 1/5/07


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Thanks Bruce & Jack for the Jan. 7th data.
---Leon on 1/5/07


Leon,
I suggest you google "orthodox christmas" and you will find lots of information about this observance. It has to do with the difference between the Julian calendar vs the Gregorian calendar.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/4/07


Observer: I don't like to address the subject of your post very much. Nevertheless your word study Luke 2: 12, Isa. 64: 6, and Ezekial 16: 4, Is an aberation entirely.
---jhonny on 1/4/07


Part 2:

Most Protestants, and especially pop-evangelicals are totally unaware of Orthodoxy as something different from Roman Catholicism.

Actually, Leon, it was most of the world who changed the dating of Christmas with the adoption of the papal Gregorian calendar in the 16-17th centuries. Even Protestant countries adopted it, allowing it to change the dating of Easter as well.

This proves the Orthodox point that Protestants are nothing more than children of Rome.
---Jack on 1/4/07


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** Bruce5656: That's news to me. Please explain how & why the switch from Dec. 25 - Jan. 7th will occur. Also, how do you know this?**

I am an Orthodox, and what Bruce is saying is true. The Churches of Russia and Jerusalem observe Jan 7. (Though most Orthodox in the USA are New Calendar.)

This is a situation bewildering to Orthodox and Non-Orthodox alike, and cannot be explained in 85 words, so I won't even try.
---Jack on 1/4/07


Bruce5656: That's news to me. Please explain how & why the switch from Dec. 25 - Jan. 7th will occur. Also, how do you know this?
---Leon on 1/4/07


Interstingly, a very large part of the world will be celebrating Christmas soon on January 7 (Orthodox Christmas) not Dec 25 at all.
---Bruce5656 on 1/3/07


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