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Am I A Prophet Of God

Twice in last week in pastoral type meetings I have interrupted the speaker and then proceeded to tell them and everyone else present exactly what they were going to say. Both speakers agreed that I was correct and both expressed astonishment. I too am astonished. What is this. Any comments

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Well, I must admit, I often wondered what the word "olive" meant.There are only two colors in the actual fruit that exist.One is GREEN and then there is one that is BLACK.I wondered why would this word be used to describe a complexion.Now, I know. It originally was a term to describe people who had a complexion of the latter.Maybe, later on, trickles of people mixed up and the descendants still used the term since they were not lighter than the northern races.
---Donna on 5/23/09


Australia comes to mind with this discussion.
What first comes to mind when you mention the name of that country? Naturally, one would think of Steve Irwin, Hugh Jackman, "Crocodile Dundee", and people who resemble them. However, that country was mostly populated at one time with people of color. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that Israel could have been populated with dark-skinned people that may have resembled the Sudanese as the CHOSEN PEOPLE?
---Donna on 5/23/09


Actualy, History doesn't tell us what color they were. ...Or is that just myth too!(Despite the non-eyewiness, geological evidence!?!)
---Mike356 on 12/15/08

You like I was, not aware of History that does testify to the race of Israel. From the very first..name of Adam.
There are many signs of this people....if you believe GOD.
There were millions of witnesses. And records.
Over Seventy Biblical marks for this people. Witnessed and testifyed in scripture.

You missed a good blog question earlier on Noah's flood. Which happened but, not on the fairy tale level (world wide) that is defended...minus many facts.
The most important facts are in scripture, if one wants to do basic grade school research.
---Trav on 12/15/08


***IamI, here is what I mean. All descendants of Adam by the curse God put on man are separted from God spiritually. This is called a spiritual death. While in this condition he has no ability to have faith in God because He doesn't believe in Him.***


I AM I, that's a LIE. Read Jonah and see these heathen's repented. Jonah never preached repentance, but that God was going to destroy them because they were evil. Because they repented God had MERCY on them.

AND you will see God even gave CAIN a second chance to do what was right. Nowhere did God ever say, Abel I loved/Cain I hated establishing an imaginary ELECT! Abel was SAVED BY FAITH in CHRIST. Hebrews 11! The EXACT kind of FAITH we are saved by in Jesus Christ!
---kathr4453 on 12/15/08


When a person is born of the Spirit, at regeneration, God restores that relationship with man and brings him to a spiritual life in Christ by Grace through faith where he can now believe, trust and be dependent on Him. That is saving faith. For Christ is the Author and finisher of our faith.
---MarkV. on 12/14/08

Mark, nowhere is this preached in scripture. You are saying our New Birth comes first, then we are lost to get saved AGAIN when we repent and believe?? Regeneration is your New Birth, and THAT is the GIFT of Salvation.

If you believe this and only a select group have it WHY are you here online???? To BRAG??? And what is your point of Bragging you have something someone else may NEVER have according to your doctrine?
---kathr4453 on 12/15/08




So I guess COLOR does matter to you and Trav after all! Why do you and others pretend that it does not when it comes to Jesus (god, right?)? This CLEARLY answers your earlier question to me on why color matters.

I would strongly urge you to do some serious research on the Jewish people, who are indeed historical! You should start with their ancestors, the Hebrew/Israelites! Notice that the bible places them in Africa and Asia! They grew up in Africa!
---I_AM_I on 12/10/08

Actualy, History doesn't tell us what color they were. There were alot of earthly changes from Adam to Jesus. Meteorlogical, Atmospherical, world wide flood, etc...Or is that just myth too!(Despite the non-eyewiness, geological evidence!?!)
---Mike356 on 12/15/08


Location does! Jesus was more olive than dark, as the Jews still look today. Why should it be any different. Their eyewitness history would back that up!
Moses was going to marry an Ethiopian woman(Black), Was being chastized for it by Miriam. Obviously, they, the Jew's, weren't as you try to suggest.

Your still trying to use your flawed, imperfect, reasoning, Your logic, knowledge and understanding of things, as that which is greater than God's (Who Is Spirit).

And on that note,
Matt.3:16, Then Jesus, when He had been baptized, came up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on Him.
---Mike356 on 12/15/08


(V17) And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Obviously they weren't all crammed into Jesus with no body left to take care of the universe.
1John3:2, Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

I_AM_I! You can't even be sure what You believe if you can't get the facts straight about the Jews, and what you intimate to know.

By the way! What Eyewitnesses do YOU have to to confirm your beliefs are correct?
---Mike356 on 12/15/08


take note of what is to become!

there will be darkness as the moon covers the sun for nine whole days.and the earth will be as cold as if it was ice.

this sign will be a sign of the begining.

now this is my word of which is given to me by god himself! those whom judge this word or choose not to forward this message will be judged by god himself. take note!
---KEVIN on 12/15/08


IamI, here is what I mean. All descendants of Adam by the curse God put on man are separted from God spiritually. This is called a spiritual death. While in this condition he has no ability to have faith in God because He doesn't believe in Him. When I say believe I mean to Trust in Him. He has faith on many things but it is never for God. That faith is the one everyone is born with.
When a person is born of the Spirit, at regeneration, God restores that relationship with man and brings him to a spiritual life in Christ by Grace through faith where he can now believe, trust and be dependent on Him. That is saving faith. For Christ is the Author and finisher of our faith.
---MarkV. on 12/14/08




mima,
Don't seek a title. Prophet or not, just make yourself a willing vessel that gives all glory to God.
---AG on 12/13/08


***What exactly are you calling saving faith?**

I AM I, Saving Faith is faith in Jesus Christ...it is placing our trust in HIM, believing Jesus died for our sin and rose again for our justification. We are saved from sin and the wrath to come upon all who are still in their sin.

This saving faith is announced in the GOSPEL. The Gospel is preached to all men everywhere. Not just to an elect few in some secret society made up by Calvinism/Augustinism/Neoplatonism!

That is a false gospel! don't put your faith in that!!
---kathr4453 on 12/13/08


I am I~ by 'universal spirit', do you mean the spirit in each person's conscienceness that either condemns us or excuses the decisions we make?

You are very passionate about this subject, and I'm wondering if you think that God is being unfair by allowing only some people in the world to have access to the Bible, while others do not have the Bible, but still have faith in a Higher Power. They strive to obey their Higher Power with all their heart despite the fact that they have no Bible.
---Anne on 12/12/08


Mark,

I was not speaking about saving faith. Saving faith comes from God. No believer questions that faith that is in Christ. It is the other faith they question. The one they are born with, that faith that does not include God. Mark 12/11/08

Say what? Please explain this further. What exactly are you calling saving faith? Is that tied into being so-called chosen? Foreknown? Predestination? Preordained? The Select few? What is faith that does not include God? You believe in a male God or godman and have faith in him. I subscribe to God as Energy, etc. and I have faith in IT. Both faiths include God and are subjective, right?
---I_AM_I on 12/12/08


Iam I, I should have made that a little more clear. Humans have their own faith, the one you talk about so much in your answers, that is the one I was speaking of. I was not speaking about saving faith. Saving faith comes from God. No believer questions that faith that is in Christ. It is the other faith they question. The one they are born with, that faith that does not include God. Not all faith is right. You could put your faith that the car will start and it might not start.
A believers faith is found in Christ, in God's word about Christ, and there is no place where the Bible is wrong. There are paradoxes, mysteries but never wrong. The Bible can be understood when something is not clear, by other passages that speak of the same topic.
---MarkV. on 12/12/08


Mark,

I believe all Christains question it, the faith. Mark 12/10/08.

Not really! Christian beliefs and faith are predicated on the bible story, right? If Christians question their faith, as you claim, then they MUST question the foundation of that faith, and the foundation of their faith is the BIBLE. Christians believe what they believe BECAUSE it is in the bible, regardless of whether the bible is wrong in MANY places. I know, your faith tells you that the bible is NEVER wrong, because it is the word of God! That is circular reasoning! That is putting a limitation on the Universal Spirit, which is boundless and is not restricted to any one book, including the bible! Thus, ALL faith is subjective and is always RIGHT!
---I_AM_I on 12/11/08


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I am I, I believe all Christains question it, the faith. They look for information to see if something is true in God's word. If they hear something different that another mentions they check it with the Bible first and then they have helpers that will bring light to a certain passage. The study of hermeneutics is a good study if people want to get in the meat of the Word because it teaches you how to look for the history, what was happening at the time, who wrote what, to whom it was written, context, what was taught by the early church and so on. There is much to find out but that is the good thing. We are searching for the Truth in God's Word. You are doing the same when you read a passage and want to use it to contradict someone here.
---MarkV. on 12/10/08


Mark,

I agree with you and many on CN that the belief in every single word in the bible requires FAITH! However, faith is something that can NEVER be proven objectively! Faith (e.g., a belief that God exists) can ONLY be proven subjectively (e.g., spiritually). Faith, like a belief, need not be based on FACTS in order to provide spiritual benefit to a believer. The simple act of believing in a thing, even if it is not factual or historical, is what provides the spiritual benefit to the believer. That last sentence is a FACT! It shows the power or nature of BELIEFS! We are what we believe! Proverbs 23:7 says the same thing. As a man thinketh in his heart, so shall he be. The question is, WHAT IS BELIEF? Should we question it?
---I_AM_I on 12/10/08


Mic,

Jesus said and was born a Jew as he said "My people".Most jews are white or are they pink,green. Mic 12/10/08

So I guess COLOR does matter to you and Trav after all! Why do you and others pretend that it does not when it comes to Jesus (god, right?)? This CLEARLY answers your earlier question to me on why color matters.

I would strongly urge you to do some serious research on the Jewish people, who are indeed historical! You should start with their ancestors, the Hebrew/Israelites! Notice that the bible places them in Africa and Asia! They grew up in Africa!
---I_AM_I on 12/10/08


imi:-My reply was to you but the silly concept was in your tract.Jesus said and was born a Jew as he said "My people".Most jews are white or are they pink,green .But since you say and use The word 'Mythical' then the jews also did not exist would be your conclusion.But we know this is untrue.I still dont see the reason for your ideaology.as you speak in circles -Please define yourself.You do speal Mythical!
---MIC on 12/10/08


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I am I, I do know who wrote most of the books in Scripture. The Pentatuch is a question and so is Hebrews. The writers of Scripture were not only inspired by the Holy Spirit but were told what to write. Now again you do not believe this which is ok. You don't have to. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God yet not all who hear it will believe it because that faith is not found in the person. The Word has to come to you with the Holy Spirit and with power, otherwise you will reject it as you have for such a long time. Which is ok also. Because it's your decision. I feel bad that you haven't received it in faith, but there is nothing I can do. It's all up to God.
---MarkV. on 12/10/08


Mic,

What has skin colour to do with any thing. Mic 12/9/08.

To spiritual people, nothing! To people who intellectualize religion by claiming that God became a man imbued with ALL the powers inherent in the universal creative intelligence, EVERYTHING! Trav truly believes that God (colorless Spirit) is White and that the mythical Jesus was White! Amazing! Others believe JC was Black. While others believe he was Yellow. Do you see how silly this can get by claiming that colorless Spirit became a man who had all the inherent power of the Spirit?

BTW, the trinity concept is much older than Christianity!
---I_AM_I on 12/9/08


imi:You find that hard to believe b/cause you do not believe in The Blessed Trinity.The omnipresence and omniessence Of the Creator.Blessed are those who do not see but believe.What has skin colour to do with any thing. all trees are different but they are still trees.The questions you raise are infantile.Would you say the sun stars moon are a myth?But if the sun was darkened and did not give light would there be life on this planet.The reality is that without God you would not exist.You still do not make a sensible point as you tiptoe through the tulips,looking for Myths which do not exist.
---MIC on 12/9/08


You, however, say God is a man, and his son, Jesus, is a white man! Well, please read Number 23:19 (GOD IS NOT A MAN)! Apparently you disagree with the bible!
---I_AM_I on 12/8/08

Why don't you get it out of your system...what is wrong with Jesus being White? Why is this a BAD thing? Spit it out along with your real reasons why you need GOD to be unisex to fit your lifestyle in.
---Trav on 12/9/08


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Mark,

You would have to ask Him. That's right Him. Scripture is His Word and we believe it by faith. Mark 12/9/08

I did ask and was shown that IT is an IT. Faith cannot be proven, right?

You wrote: Scripture indicates that when someone is is presented with the Truth and he completely rejects Christ, he blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. I would not want to be you.

Neither you nor anyone on here truly KNOWS who wrote many of the books in the bible. All you have is just a mere belief on its authorship! Who gets to determine what is Truth? Holy Spirit? Why add the word holy when the Spirit (John 4:24) is intrinsically GOOD?
---I_AM_I on 12/9/08


Mic,

what is your point?we know that God is a SPIRIT but He did take the form of man to show us the way to His eternal kingdom,so that wealso follow after reaching His standard of perfection. Mic 12/9/08

So, Spirit (John 4:24), which is EVERYWHERE AT ONCE in the cosmos, left all those other locations and put the full godhead in a man, right? What skin color was god after entering that man's body? While god was on earth, who was taking care of the cosmos (sun, moon and planets, etc)? The story (myth) was never meant to be taken as literal or historical! That is why it does not (and will NEVER) make sense if interpreted literally. Spiritually, the story makes sense and is a great teaching tool!
---I_AM_I on 12/9/08


I am I, I did not say He was a He because Of some RCC teaching. I really don't pay attention to their teachings unless I want to speak about one of the doctrines. I say He is mentioned as He in Scripture. Why? You would have to ask Him. That's right Him. Scripture is His Word and we believe it by faith. If He say's He wants to be called He, we will call Him He. You can call Him manless, you can call Him just God. Whatever you want to call Him but beware on the condemnation that comes from God. Scripture indicates that when someone is is presented with the Truth and he completely rejects Christ, he blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. I would not want to be you.
---MarkV. on 12/9/08


imi:-what is your point?we know that God is a SPIRIT but He did take the form of man to show us the way to His eternal kingdom,so that wealso follow after reaching His standard of perfection.You tiptoe through the tulips leaving no concrete evidence of what you desire to impart>!!!
---MIC on 12/9/08


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Steven, Mark and Mic,

RE: Num. 23:19 (God is NOT a man).

(1) God is not man that he should lie.
(2) ALL Men lie.
(3) God does not lie.
(4) Conclusion - God is NOT a man!

[a] God is not a man that he should lie.
[b] God does not lie (unless you guys believe that your god lies).
[c] Conclusion - God cannot be a man, because men lie!


Mark you wrote: God is not a man, He is Spirit.

Huh? So the man-less god said he is a HE, right? This is just the kind on double-talk that the Catholic Catechism does on God is not male but a HE. In the next breath, the RCC says women cannot hold higher office in the church because god is a male/he. Amazing!
---I_AM_I on 12/9/08


Okay Trav,

So you know more than the bible, which explicitly says that GOD IS NOT A MAN! same bible you love to quote to others. same bible you claim as the basis of your kind of Christianity!
You, however, say God is a man, and his son, Jesus, is a white man! Well, please read Number 23:19 (GOD IS NOT A MAN)! Apparently you disagree with the bible!
---I_AM_I on 12/8/08



I do not know more than GOD lets me know.
But, for the ones that read these post that might be searching, I'll state this.

Adam-Man was made in GOD's image.
GOD is stating in Numbers and your other that he was not ADAM-Man. He is GOD.
Adam-Man is a formed image like GOD.
---Trav on 12/9/08


I am I, verses from Gen. do not contradict verses in Numbers. Made in our image, does not mean we were made Spirit. The image refered to those passages in Gen define man's unique relation to God. Man is a living being capable of embodying God's communicalbe attributes (9:6, Rom. 8:29, Col 3:10, James 3:9). In his rational life, he was like God in that he could reason and had intellect, will, and emotion. In the moral sense, he was like God because he was good and sinless when created. When true Christian become glorified we will be like him again, sinless. Even the body of the incarnated Jesus looked and touched as human, yet Jesus could go through walls, something we cannot do. In Numbers he is not a man that He could lie, He is holy.
---MarkV. on 12/9/08


I_AM_I: "please read Number 23:19 (GOD IS NOT A MAN)!"

Like many Christians and all non-Christians, you took this verse out of context. The writer was comparing God and man about lying and repenting.
For it says...

"God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
---Steveng on 12/8/08


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I_AM_I: "I noticed that you cannot answer the last few questions, for example, when the male organ is castrated is that person still a man or how is God not a she-male?"

Your questions are frivolous and no longer warrant a debate, except for...

"How do you know that God is a man, especially since the bible is very EXPLICIT that GOD IS NOT A MAN?"

The word "man" implies a human form. People use "mankind" to include males and females. Does describing God as a father mean the there are female fathers?
---Steveng on 12/8/08


imi:-You are so crude in your explicit way it is almost pitiful like a savage who cannot explain Himself without exposing himself by raw demonstration.What did God do in Genesis 1:26 when He created ADAM.Perhaps you disagree with the bible.Just as you disagree regarding the Blessed Trinity.what does "HE" indicate to you.You twist Num23:19 "Only Man lies not God".Dont be like Balak.
---MIC on 12/8/08


I am I, God is not a man, He is Spirit. "He," masculine, is used by God in Scripture, so we go by what God has to say, because we trust Him by faith. He does not have a body so to say He has parts is not true. He did manifested Himself as a man in the incarnated Jesus. I believe the questions you put out is to dispute Scripture and why you don't believe in God.
Paul was highly educated under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3). He was transformed from a persecutor of Christianity to the world's greatest expositor of Christ. He was both a missionary of the Cross and the writer of 13 of the New Testament Epistles. If you want to cut him down it is your right, but it only makes you look more foolish then your questions.
---MarkV. on 12/8/08


Okay Trav,

So you know more than the bible, which explicitly says that GOD IS NOT A MAN! This is the same bible you love to quote to others. This is the same bible you claim as the basis of your kind of Christianity! Warwick and other Christians I dialogue with on here ADMIT that God is not a man, even though the bible uses male and masculine distinctions. You, however, say God is a man, and his son, Jesus, is a white man! Well, please read Number 23:19 (GOD IS NOT A MAN)! Apparently you disagree with the bible! There is another scripture that says the same thing. Do you want that one too?
---I_AM_I on 12/8/08


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especially since the bible is very EXPLICIT that GOD IS NOT A MAN?
---I_AM_I on 12/6/08

Maybe not your efeminate version. Mine says this:

So God created man in his own image,....Genesis 1:26-28

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:6-8

Father is mentioned 1511 times. Most normal people Know what a fathers gender is.

All you do is make known what we have already guessed at. You arguments are a tell.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10
---Trav on 12/8/08


Thats odd, Because the Bible says that Angels came down out of the Heavens and had sexual contact with women and thats where the Giants(Goliath) came from...

The Book of Enoch gives the names of them Angels and how God dealt with them, There the ones that was cast into outter darkness, chained waiting for their day of Judgment...

We are also given the Names of some of Gods Angel's that do God's bidding...

I Love the Book of Enoch, and wonder why they left it out, Enoch was Noahs Gr. Grandpa
and if I'm not mistaken it's mentioned in the N/T and/or the O/T?

However, As I said, the Book of Gen. speaks of this(ANGEL'S having sexual encounters with earth women).
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/7/08


Intresting as we know that angels are no pro creative beings so there are no sexes. As far as appearence they must be able to take on any form that they wish. The Bible alway refers to a masculine sense. Now Satan was call the most Beautiful of all the Angeles in a feminine tense. Both are wrong. God is Iam what I am. He did become a man born of a Virgin birth. Jesus was a Male! God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. 3 persons one Godhead the Holy Trinity
---Robert on 12/7/08


Steven,

Ever heard of HOPE? I was hoping your Word of God would compel you to interpret those scriptures by their CLEAR meaning! You are not the first to pull that stunt when your Word of God contracts what you have been taught!

I noticed that you cannot answer the last few questions, for example, when the male organ is castrated is that person still a man or how is God not a she-male? How do you know that God is a man, especially since the bible is very EXPLICIT that GOD IS NOT A MAN?
---I_AM_I on 12/6/08


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Did anyone ever tell you that you have a weird sense of logic? Where do you get all your knowledge? do you just make everything up yourself? It certainly does not come from the bible.
---Steveng on 12/4/08

G.C.C.O.I. doctrine is this shemale,shim's belief.

Gender Challenged Church of Imagination. Cannot tolerate a White GOD or White Jesus. Obamanations's belief as well.
---Trav on 12/6/08


I_AM_I: "I knew you would use..."

If you knew, why did you ask?
---Steveng on 12/5/08


Steven,

Are all questions that you cannot answer ridiculous? So, were you born knowing that the male organ makes you a man? I knew you would use the male organ TO TRY to prove that you are a man! Thus, are men who have been castrated still men? Is this a ridiculous question too?

Notice that you did not SHOW ME how the male AND female energy that permeates God is not in you! Show me how God is not a she-male! If you give me just bible bable without reasoning, that is not proof! Show me how creation/evolution can occur without the male and female principle! Hint. IT CANNOT!
---I_AM_I on 12/5/08


I_AM_I: "Who told you that you are a male only?"

I found out when I first asked what that thing is dangling between my legs.

"Were you born knowing that as a baby?"

Oh, come on, you know that is a ridiculous question.

"Someone had to tell you that and you accepted it without question!"

How do you know that a bird is not a fish?

Show me how the male AND female energy that permeates God is not in you! You will be the only person who does not have God within you!"

Did anyone ever tell you that you have a weird sense of logic? Where do you get all your knowledge? do you just make everything up yourself? It certainly does not come from the bible.
---Steveng on 12/4/08


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Samuel,

Since Luke only collected stories on events, he is not an eyewitness to those events! Also, how is Mark an eyewitness to those events? Many writers/scholars believe that Mark is the first gospel! Paul never quoted a single passage from any of the four gospels. Why? Paul's Scripture IS NOT the gospels. Why? Provide non-biblical names of the people in Jerusalem who started a Christian church wherein the alleged JC was worshipped as the expected Jewish messiah. Gnosticism may help you here but the Gnostic Jesus (which an overwhelming majority of Paul's epistles are about) is different than the gospel Jesus! Based on research, which Jesus came first, the gospel Jesus or Paul's Gnostic or blueprint Jesus?
---I_AM_I on 12/4/08


Steven,

I knew you would pull the old context argument. That is why I did not cite the scripture I described from John! I read the preceding two chapters and the one after the scriptures I sent to you. Not surprisingly, we disagree on biblical interpretation!

How are you so sure you are a male and not a she-male, like the ONE SOURCE of energy in the cosmos, including God? Who told you that you are a male only? Were you born knowing that as a baby? Someone had to tell you that and you accepted it without question! Show me how the male AND female energy that permeates God is not in you! You will be the only person who does not have God within you!
---I_AM_I on 12/4/08


I_AM_I: "Mark 9:1 and... et al"

One of the biggest problems I face when teaching the Bible is that Christians often take verses out of context. It's man's fault that the bible is neatly divided into verses numbers and chapters which completely confuses people. When you write a letter to a friend, do you number each sentence? Of course not. Unless, of course, you're a lawyer. I believe that a person can better understand the Bible without verse numbers and chapter numbers.

Your answer: connect the last verse of Chapter 8 to the first verse of Chapter 9 and you will find your answer.
---Steveng on 12/3/08


I_AM_I: "I noticed that you did not address God's female half, namely, Sophia. You call Sophia (Wisdom) an IT but you have not connected the dots with the HS (IT too)."

It's very difficult to define God in a worldly way, but God needed to define His attributes. For instance, God is described as a hen. Of course, Christians know He is not a hen. He was describing His attribute as "caring."

"We are all she-males!"

Don't include me as one of your she-male creatures. I definately know that I am a male. There is no doubt in my mind. If you are confused as to who you are, how are you ever know the Bible?
---Steveng on 12/3/08


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The books of Matthew, Mark and John claim to be eyewitnesses of the events these writers record.

Luke claims to be a collection of eyewitnesses collected by Luke.

Now the first point that anyone who says JESUS did not exist has to say these men were liars. That they make all this up. But if that were true then why did a church start in Jerusalem by people who should have known that these stories were lies since they lived through those times.

Gnostics try to combine a type of Hindu wisdom and thought with that of the bible. It does not work. The Jewish system is very practical and solid thought.
---Samuel on 12/3/08


Trav,

Thanks for those scriptures. However, I am still waiting on the eyewitness proofs on Jesus,
... Jesus of Nazareth is a mythical person!
---I_AM_I on 12/2/08
This bread is for the Children. You've had all the crumbs I care to provide. Fend for yourself.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matthew 7:5-7
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Matthew 15:25-27
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2 Timothy 3:7-9
---Trav on 12/3/08


bravo anne!!!!
can't say it better than God's Word.
---miche3754 on 12/3/08


Anne,

With respect to Sophia/Wisdom that the wise possesses, like the mythical Solomon, are you saying that God does not value Sophia/Wisdom? Read Chapter 8 of Proverbs. God loves the wise! Since you claim to ORGINATE in sin and cannot trust YOURSELF (hence the need for a savior), how can you trust your own thinking on the bible or your savior?


Miche,

First, did Pontius Pilate write those letters, which are dated second century and LATER? Amazing! Second, have you seen pictures of an embryo or an EARLY fetus? Male or female? Please explain how creation takes place without a female AND male principle? Third, you forgot the 2nd creation myth where God made Adam and took Eve from his rib! Adam = She-Male!
---I_AM_I on 12/3/08


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I Am I~ Concerning this ludicrous discussion, I believe the wise man Solomon said it best in Ecclestiastics 10:12-13:

"The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious, But the lips of a fool shall swallow him up, the words of his mouth begin with foolishness, and the end of his talk is raving madness."

I honestly can't think of a better way to describe this discussion, than the logic of Solomon's words here.
---Anne on 12/3/08


HUH!!
okay I am I, what are you talking about?
God plainly says He made them(us) male and female.
Men are not she-males! They are men.

I am I are you a practicing gnostic?
Some of the forbidden text is recognizable in some of the things you speak.
Some of it might be true, but most certainly not the way you are telling it.

God being here in human form is well documented. IT IS CALLED THE B.I.B.L.E!!

Not only that, everyone remember Pontius Pilate? He documented Jesus being God in Human form and he was a gentile. How about that!
---miche3754 on 12/3/08


Steven,

"But JC was supposed to come during the lifetime of people 2000 years ago." What verses do you base that on? 12/3/08

Mark 9:1 and 13:30. 1 Thess 4:14-18 and 1 Cor 15:51-52! There is another one in the Gospel according to John but that scripture is ambiguous, because it can mean upon JC's immediate return or at the so-called second coming!

You and I agree that the HS is really the Spirit of God (John 4:24). Is God a male/man or a She-Male? I noticed that you did not address God's female half, namely, Sophia. You call Sophia (Wisdom) an IT but you have not connected the dots with the HS (IT too). We are all she-males!
---I_AM_I on 12/3/08


Mike,

Not really! My criteria is that the universal creative process called by you God (Jesus = his father = the holy spirit) never entered earth in an historical man named Jesus! You said that happened. I said bring me one non-biblical eyewitness. If God is a man/male to you (not me!), then God would have made sure that his presence on earth was well documented by eyewitnesses (even one!), right? That did not happen. Again, if George Washington is claimed to be God on earth, I would demand the same proofs! Also, how could Philo introduce the LOGOS/WORD to the Jews but failed to mention Jesus (the word, right?) or Christians?
---I_AM_I on 12/3/08


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I_AM_I,

Sorry sir! I was just using your criteria.

Whether it's Jesus or George Washington and the claims that are made, The means to discovery are the same. They do not change.

You are saying because there are no extra-biblical "eyewitnesses" that there is a credibility factor.
Is it not a Historical Fact that GW did what is said he did, Without "eyewitness" testimony?

In fact lets look at credibility. Any of you can google Philo and read his bio.
There is much speculation of his claims to certain aquaintances, and it's only legend of him ever, really meeting Peter. No eyewinesses.

cont....
---Mike356 on 12/3/08


TRAV.....
We are all sinners my friend! And some of us have denied Christ in our "wandering" days. It's that now, We are saved, and I_AM_I, is not. Not yet anyways!

He will have to 'wander' in his academic, philisophical, poetical, meandering way. Until the truth hits hard in the Tribulation period or the Holy Spirit removes the scales from his eyes to see the truth!?

Right now he needs to see that Gods ways are not mans ways. And "He/God" has all the answers.
---Mike356 on 12/3/08


Mike, and Steveng~ Loved you guy's humor on your last comments...thanks for the laugh!
---Anne on 12/3/08


Earl,

Believing in Jesus is faith based only. Earl 12/2/08. I completely agree! That is why I live my life according to SOME of the teachings of the mythical Jesus. Even though Jesus is not historical, his teachings are spiritual (John 4:24 God is Spirit and we must worship IT in spirit and truth).

YOU WROTE: Take note that God of the hebrews went from a golden calf to currently an invisible spirit-who in addition has spiritual offspring.

True! You forgot those parts about God as a man running around the earth in the OT. Worshipping God in the manifestation of animals (especially the calf) is a teaching the Hebrews got from the historical Egyptians.
---I_AM_I on 12/2/08


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Trav,

Thanks for those scriptures. However, I am still waiting on the eyewitness proofs on Jesus, including those letters Pilate allegedly wrote, which Duane claimed to have read. Please give me just one eyewitness so that I can share him with my Christian friends and with the rest of the world!

If you have done research on Christianity from 1st century CE to 4th century CE, you will CLEARLY see that the three scriptures you cited were in response to the claim by Christians/Chrestians from 1st century BCE (before common era or the gospel Jesus) that Jesus of Nazareth is a mythical person!
---I_AM_I on 12/2/08


I_AM_I: "But JC was supposed to come during the lifetime of people 2000 years ago."

What verses do you base that on?

As for the female holy spirit:

What verses do you base that on? Are you telling me that the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, is female? Does that mean that your spirit, I_am_I, is female (this is assuming you are a male)? No wonder people today are confused about their gender.

Wisdom is not a person, it's a thing. Many men named their cars with female names. does that mean it's a female?
---Steveng on 12/2/08


IamI,
Believing in Jesus is faith based only.
Belief is compounded,solidified,cemented by the fact of a spiritual experience.Thus knowing that spirit exists by personal experience man goes fourth into the depths of his intelligent mind and communicates with spirit that resides there.
The traditional christian book of knowledge ,the bible ,is used to discover additional knowledge,wisdom and intelligent behavior ,conduct and spiritual growth to then teach unto others who seek definition of the similiar spiritual experience.
Take note that God of the hebrews went from a golden calf to currently an invisible spirit-who in addition has spiritual offspring.
Thousands of years to complete that one truth.
---earl on 12/2/08


IamI,Much of man continues to be a mythmaker.We all exaggerate on many stories.
But note that "the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God".
This I know to be correct and truth .My spirit within has made an individual ,one on one contact with me and I have experience the presence of God within my thinking parts.
What you cannot say is that what I have experienced is a lie, hallucinations or too much eggnog.Until you experience angels,spirits,spirit of truth and The indwelling spirit within- you will not comprehend who is the pilot of your ship.
---earl on 12/2/08


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Therefore, let's research JC to see how he was non-existent back then.
---I_AM_I on 12/2/08

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:21-23

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:2-4
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:6-8
---Trav on 12/2/08


Mike,

Josephus and others are NOT EYEWITNESSES!

The last time I checked the followers of George Washington are not claiming that he is a godman born of a virgin, raised people from the dead, walked on water, raised himself (since he is the HS and his own father) from his own death and created the universe! If GW's followers were making such unscientific and incredible claims, I would research him and those people! Is GW going to get you to that exclusive country club called heaven? No! That would be JC, right? Therefore, let's research JC to see how he was non-existent back then. Did the Jewish philosopher Philo (20 BCE to 1st cent CE) mentioned him? Philo introduced the LOGOS/WORD to Hellenized Jews!
---I_AM_I on 12/2/08


You call them forgery's.....and don't know where the originals are? Yeah,you're a tall witness for your foolish stand.

You sure make it easy to stand for OUR GOD though. I can do this left handed. Thanks. br>

---Trav on 12/2/08

Amen...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/2/08


I have seen things years before that later happened just that way.
I've seen things which have not yet happened...but will. Prophets are spokespersons for God... delivering accurate messages from God. Prophets are ridiculed, rejected, cast out, and/or killed. Three years ago I heard the audible voice of forerunner Elias...telling me 'prepare ye the way of the lord...make his path straight (same message he delivered embodied in John the Baptist).' Elias's message communicated to me that we are seeing end-time evils that will culminate with the coming of our beloved King Jesus. And, hey, few want to hear that message...not even the church.
---internetelias on 12/2/08


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Trav and Duane,
First, those letters are fraudulent. Second, no serious "scholars" use those forgeries to prove the historicity of Jesus. They use Josephus and other minor references!
Fourth, what is the overall theme of those letters?
Fifth, where are the ORIGINAL letters?
---I_AM_I on 12/1/08

They use Josephus and other minor references! Incredible. U ask for witnesses and furnish them urself. I suspected you in this.

Fifth, where are the ORIGINAL letters?

You call them forgery's.....and don't know where the originals are? Yeah,you're a tall witness for your foolish stand.

You sure make it easy to stand for OUR GOD though. I can do this left handed. Thanks. br>
---Trav on 12/2/08


By the way, You and I are evidence of Adam and Eve no matter How you want to look at it!
---Mike356 on 12/1/08

Mike you and I would probably agree on many things.
By scriptural measure can't find where, i'm'i, is Adamic or of Cain either. He bears other marks.
He cannot acknowledge where his blessings of life came from. Through what GOD or the people chosen by GOD.
---Trav on 12/2/08


Can you provide any historical evidence of Adam, Eve, the garden of Eden, Noah's ark, a WORLDWIDE flood, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, the parting of the Red or Reed Sea, the Pharoah and his soldiers who drowned in it? How about just ONE nonbiblical eyewitness who wrote about Jesus? Let me know which question you want me to answer.
---I_AM_I on 12/1/08

Wellll, I see some have already stole my thunder. And I will answer some, when you can deliver up ONE eyewitness to George Washington and the Crossing of the Patomic!

By the way, You and I are evidence of Adam and Eve no matter How you want to look at it!
---Mike356 on 12/1/08


Steven,

As for the meaning of "end of time," it's the generation just before the coming of Jesus. 12/1/08

But JC was supposed to come during the lifetime of people 2000 years ago. Which generation is that, because the bible speaks of many AGES (end of time and the immediate beginning of another end of time).

YOU WROTE: Do an online Bible search for "Holy Spirit."

I have before and just did again. In early Christianity the HS was referred to as FEMALE, as in the OT Sophia or Wisdom. If you google female holy spirit you will see that IT is referred to as both female and male.
---I_AM_I on 12/1/08


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I am I:

The Holy spirit is not an IT, he's a person. The third person of God: Father, son and Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit is everywhere, then he cannot be everywhere if he is not in an unborn christian.

Do an online Bible search for "Holy Spirit."

As for the meaning of "end of time," it's the generation just before the coming of Jesus.
---Steveng on 12/1/08


Trav and Duane,

First, those letters are fraudulent. Second, no serious "scholars" use those forgeries to prove the historicity of Jesus. They use Josephus and other minor references! Third, since one of you has read those letters, when is the earliest dating of them? Fourth, what is the overall theme of those letters? Fifth, where are the ORIGINAL letters?
---I_AM_I on 12/1/08


Amen, I've read those letters and theirs a website so others can too...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/1/08

Care to share yours?
---Trav on 12/1/08


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