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Do you think it is wrong for Christians to listen to secular music, watch MTV, go to PG-13 or worse movies?

Moderator - In most cases yes.

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First off, there's a difference between secular and sinful.

Secular just means 'pertaining to non-religious matters'.

There are lots of non-religious matters that aren't sinful, and Christians should feel free to participate in any of these. And music and arts that reflect these matters, likewise.

But if something is actually sinful, then feel free to refrain from it.
---Nancy on 1/3/08

Secular music.
Beethoven's symphonies, sonatas & choral music? Mendelssohn? Mozart? Haydn?
Oh dear I will have to throw away my collection of sublime uplifting music.
I will also have to stop going to watch the waves breaking on the rocks which give me a similar feeling of closeness to the Creator.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 12/28/07

I think that any music is okay as long as the lyrics are clean. And for PG-13 movies, I don't see the big deal in it. When I watch PG-13 movies, I don't go off swearing or acting sensual. And I don't have MTV on my chanels, but I have seen many of the shows. I think that it's up to the induvidual to decide for themselves what they can watch , and have their reasons to support their decision. I've seen many PG-13 movies that have great themes and are on my favorite list.
---Keri on 5/7/07

Jared- Paul constantly preached the cross to people in every pagan land he came across. Not one of those people understood or knew of the cross, but he preached it any way. The people heard and were convicted and saved. "For the preaching of the cross is to them who perish foolishness, but to we who believe it"s the power of God."
---craige on 12/18/06

and how do you explain the cross to someone that has never known? there are many peopl in this world that don't know much about the ancient world, and they don't care. How are you going to preach the Gosspel to those that only view the world in a americanized materialistic society? you have to meet them where they are and lift them to christ. the cross is still there. the approach is different.
---Jared on 12/14/06

People, people, please,don't be so defensive. Relax. breath in, breath out. To get the whole picture of the blessed hope, you may want to re-read the entire Bible (from beginning to end and not a verse here and a verse jumping around the Bible like a kangaroo) without concordances, Christians dictionaries, novels or other reference books, and, for your soul's sake, let go of your worldy adult inhibitions. Read the Bible through the eyes of a child.
---Steveng on 12/13/06

Debra: "You have given us some discrepancies without any scripture to back it up."

I have given you Biblical ideas. Do you not have a Bible to look up what I have said? Become a Berean.
---Steveng on 12/13/06

Steveng, if you need more scripture to purge yourself, please use it. I've been observing the small details, too. You have given us some discrepancies without any scripture to back it up. I think there's more than the one-liners that are bothering you.
---Debra on 12/12/06

You'll never live in the life that is to come if you never live in the life that now is.

Steven, I am sorry the Scripture bothers you. The Scripture I quoted comes straight out of Proverbs, the wisdom book. Christ in me is the hope of glory and "our blessed hope" is not an event, He's a person.
---Linda6563 on 12/11/06

Steveng - The Gospel is "we preach Christ crucified" (1 Corinthians 1:23). Jesus Christ paid the price in full on the Cross for sin and our healing. Salvatian is a free gift from God upon belief in Jesus and His finished work on the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 12/11/06

Linda: "Hope deferred makes the heart sick."

I've been on these blogs for over two months and I sometimes wonder if people ever read the Bible in it's entirety instead of verse by verse.

So, you believe that hope deferred makes the heart sick? What about the 'Blessed Hope' mentioned in both the old and new testaments?
---Steveng on 12/11/06

StevenG, Paul makes it clear in 1 Cor.15 what the gospel is. Indeed, it is good news but what is "news". News is something that has already happened that is being reported. What Jesus has already accomplished has present day effect. Hope deferred makes the heart sick.
---Linda6563 on 12/10/06

Helen: "The finished work of Jesus on the Cross is the Gospel."

The Gospel is the Good News and the Hope that is shortly coming to pass, not of something that happened in the past.
---Steveng on 12/10/06

Jared - The same thing has happened to me in the past. The more I have tried to explain, the more people have kicked up a fuss. The problem is that people have itching ears and they really kick up when confronted with the truth. Don't let them sway you. :)
---Helen_5378 on 12/10/06

Powerful words, Steven...thank you!
---AlwaysOn on 12/8/06

Christians have replaced God with an idol - entertainment. If Jesus were on Earth today, you definately won't find him listening to an ipod. The old earth is about to end and many people still need to develop a relationship with God. As the world crumbles around us and terror has reached every corner of the world, Christians need to spend their free time doing God's will. The harvest is many, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 12/7/06

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Helen I agree with you. But obviously I'm not being heard I will stop trying to explain because I am making it worse.
---Jared on 12/7/06

Jared - The finished work of Jesus on the Cross is the Gospel. The Cross is the only way anybody can get saved and stay saved.
---Helen_5378 on 12/7/06

have you ever heard of the band Creed. much of their music has spiritualality. Music is there to make us think or to entertain, it influence either way. there is a message, you are right often it isn't directed at christ, but the spirit can use what is around us to direct us to Christ. this is really what christ was doing when he spoke about hell, and in his parables. taking what is common and pointing it to the Kingdom.
---Jared on 12/5/06

Jared- thanks for the compliment, but I think I disagree with your thoughts on pop music. I think that if the Holy Spirit is the one influencing a song, Christ would be lifted up boldly. If you have to direct it to Christ in your mind, it's probably not inspired by the Holy Spirit. He ever seeks to point to Christ, and he doesn't do it in an ambiguos way
---craige on 12/5/06

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The cross is very important but it is not the entirity of the Gospel. Remember that. If the cross was all that is important then why did the writers include his teachings? his ministry his healings. Because every aspect of christ's life, his death and resurrection is important. How we present the Gospel, that the kingdom of God is at hand, can be done in many ways but it always includes the Life, death and resurrection of Christ. because he vicariously took on our life so we can take on his.
---Jared on 12/5/06

Jared - God uses only one way to reach people and that is the Cross of Christ. That is Jesus' finished work on the Cross for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 12/5/06

good thought Criag, and most songs can be used to direct people's attention to christ. there are several pop songs that can be powerful when you direct it toward Christ. too many of us are too closed minded to realise that God is using the world around us as a tool to reach out to those that he loves.
---Jared on 12/4/06

This is just me, but I believe that behind every song,every movie and book is a spirit. It will either be the Holy Spirit- or the spirit of this world. We have to be discerning enough to know which one we're dealing with.
---craige on 12/3/06

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MTV is too disgusting to talk about. My music is mostly country, rather conservative. I see about 2 films a year, most of what hollywood is junk, no matter the rating.
---MikeM on 12/2/06

.jared, evangelism is no license to engage in the sins of those being evangelized. We stay faithful, but if the drowning refuse the faith, then they will drown but not with the faithful. I agree, many religions isolate rather than propagate the gospel, it may be that these need to learn "how" to evangelize and share their belief with strangers without the fear of becoming contaminated with sin from outsiders (ref: Luke 7:39).
---Eloy on 12/2/06

Did Jesus become a sinner, no, he went where sinners were (got on their turf) and brought them out and up to heaven. If we don't engage the culture at some point we are going to seperate off from them and never be able to reach the lost. How many new converts do Amish have? Very few because they cut themselves out of the culture. Modern Evangelicals are doing the same today
---Jared on 12/1/06

.jared, Noone has to become a sinner to know that sin is wrong. Jesus did not have to get to know anybody, he knew what was in man, for he created them. He came to earth for the sole mission of saving the lost. Sinners will try to get us to "join in" their sin, but we have no desire for the ways of death because we are set on the ways of life- No secular music, no MTV, and no blasphemous movies which profess lies; just godly Christian genres of music, and good movies that show true principles.
---Eloy on 12/1/06

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but somehow the point was missed, Jesus went, got to know, ate, drank, talked to Sinners. Yes he went to save them, but before you can lift them to Christ you have to accept them as human on their turf. If you are trying to have a conversation with a sinner, you better know what is playing in the movies so you can know what they are talking about. If you want to take it onestep further, you would watch the movie and then find a way to enter the Gospel in the message. That is what Jesus would have done.
---Jared on 11/30/06

It truly is sad how much like the pharisees Modern Evangelicals have become.
---Jared on 11/30/06

i'm w/ eloy. the u.s. needs a good healthy dose of holiness and fear of God
---r.w. on 11/30/06

Jared, Jesus went to the lost sheep of Israel for one purpose only, namely to save them, he did not go to hang around with them nor to accept them. The sinners either repented from their sin and obeyed Christ or they remained separated from Jesus. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 11/30/06

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Jared, Your understanding of Christ is imperfect. Also I do not put words in Jesus' mouth, I have the selfsame mind of Christ, and not some other. He himself says that he hates worldliness and sin, so when I say Jesus hates secular music which is not glorifying to him that is the truth. Jesus is always about his Father's business, that is why the Father is always with him because he is alway doing those things that are pleasing to God. And listening to secular music and MTV are not pleasing to God.
---Eloy on 11/30/06

I am really in awe of most all of your replies here. Some blog replies are so confusing. Thank you so much. I have learned a lot and you are so articulate, it was a pleasure to read.
---Virginia on 11/29/06

I watch the movies I enjoy irrespective of ratings. I don't watch MTV because I don't enjoy their programming. I enjoy classical music, opera, show tunes, country western and musical parody like Stan Freeburg, Spike Jones and Red Ingle. I don't like rap or ray-gay. The Christian Music I listen to and perform are Church Anthems and Oratorios. Most of the current Christian praise music is pure garbage. I am in two Messiah concerts during the next two weeks and will enjoy them immensely.
---Phil_the_Elder on 11/29/06

eloy are you putting words in Jesus' mouth? How do you know if he wouldn't like the beat and rythem of modern secular music? From my understanding of Jesus he hung out with the "wrong" Crowd and opposed many of the "right" crowd sorts of things. Do you think just possibly Jesus would use our world today to bring people to the Kingdom? I think he would, but I will say that he would refocus the words of the music to the truth of God, he wouldn't leave them in the forms they are today.
---Jared on 11/29/06

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Jack - Why are you nasty? It is not Christlike.
---Helen_5378 on 11/29/06

Jack - If you are really born-again, then you have the Spirit of God to lead you into all truth. You will know without a doubt what is Godly and what is ungodly.
---Helen_5378 on 11/29/06

** Jack - Hi. If it is ungodly computer chat, then it is not ok.**

How do you determine what is Godly and ungodly computer chat--especially without faith in the REAL Jesus?
---Jack on 11/29/06

Jesus does not like secular music nor MTV. And as for any movies, it depends on what the movie is about, does it glorify God, the gospel, and truth? Jesus does not make his dwelling with secularists nor with the worldly-minded. Listen to spiritual Christian music, for the Lord himself inhabits the praises of his people. Christians spend time with Christ, and we worship of God. The world? nah, there's no comparison. I'll keep Jesus and his Holy Spirit 24/7, and I will none of the world.
---Eloy on 11/28/06

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Jack - Hi. If it is ungodly computer chat, then it is not ok.
---Helen_5378 on 11/28/06

Does secular music glorify God? What about watching MTV or going to movies, do these glorify God? I'm finding that even most Christian music does not glorify God. I'm also finding that most churches are using seclular-style music to bring in the young people is compromising the the glory of God.
---Steveng on 11/28/06

(I.)AlanUK_quent5969, I have noticed that The Holy Spirit doesn't lead me away from classical music, My Mom is the one who introduced it to me. I just follow the lead of the Spirit. I tried to listen to secular rock at one time, the Holy Spirit said no, R &B, the Holy Spirit said no, "pop music", He said no, so I don't.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/28/06

(II.)AlanUK_quent5969, Even some so-called Christian music isnt in the right spirit, I totally refuse to listen to so-called Christian Metal, and other types of pseudo -Christian music, full of vain fluff and show,they are no different then the world. We must be careful with our holy anointing from the Lord. Theres a reason that God wants us to separate ourselves from certain things, and it is wise to obey Him. We just can't afford to break down that precious anointing that He gives us.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/28/06

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(III.)AlanUK_quent5969, It is VERY benefical to remove ANY THING in our Chistian Walk that would be a stumbling block ,and then we can think more clearly, and reason with the Lord better! (Hebrews 12:1)God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/28/06

NO I don't think it is wrong but it would be if that's all you do. We are to be in the world but not of the world. which means we need to know what most people are doing so we can atleast speak their language.
---Jared on 11/28/06

**Those composers wrote mainly secular music, ...**

During the Middle Ages and Rennaisance, the same piece would have Latin words for church, French words for a banquet, and would be sped up and played on instruments for dancing afterwards.

The whole idea of a 'sacred style' is strictly an American attitude, dating back from the days when fashionable churches got their organists and choir directors from England and concern musicians from Germany and Central/Eastern Europe.
---Jack on 11/28/06

Mrs M ... I'm not trying to be funny. Those composers wrote mainly secular music, and there are those here who say such music should not be listened to.
But I think god blesses me when I lissten to them, or watch the sea breaking on the waves, even when I am not reading the bible at the time.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/28/06

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For me it isn't wrong to listen to soft rock and country music or watching movies. If a movie that I rent has alot of cussing within the first 10 minutes of it, I take it out and don't watch it. but how I feel isn't the same as how someone else feels. I can't tell someone what their doing is wrong, when in fact I do the same. So what you do and what you listen to or watch is between you and God and it is no one's business.
---Rebecca_D on 11/28/06

AlanUK_quent5969 , You said : "...Oh dear I will have to throw away my collection of sublime uplifting music. I will also have to stop going to watch the waves breaking on the rocks which give me a similar feeling of closeness to the Creator." Alan, You are so funny! I don't think Mozart and Bach will affect a Christian's holy anointings from the Lord. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/28/06

** As Christians we are called to "come out from among them and be separate" (2Corinthians 6:14-17). God means what He says. It is wrong for Christians to be doing worldly things. The path to heaven is narrow.**

Does doing worldly thing include using computer chat, Helen?

After all, Jesus never did, to my knowledge.
---Jack on 11/28/06

Well put, Madison.
---Jack on 11/28/06

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Those that are hungry for the kingdom of God will be filled, not those who are hungry for Hollywood. Hunger for the things that do not have eternal food value is a sign of sickness. There is no eternal benefit to secular music or most of anything that Hollywood puts out.
---john on 11/28/06

Paul said, "All things are permissable, but not all things are profitable." We should do what profits our spirit man, not our flesh. Feed your spirit good things, and you will produce good fruit. Feed your flesh worldy things, and you will produce death.
Don't watch or listen to anything demonic. My ex used to do that and it hurt my spirit, I couldn't stay in the room. It's all according to your level of conviction. Stay in the word, it's the best place to hang out.
---Donna9759 on 11/28/06

one thing i am learning with time, is we have the element of free will, but as a christian and we live for christ, i ask God to guide all that i do and help me opt for what is good for me.
---Clare on 11/28/06

As Christians we are called to "come out from among them and be separate" (2Corinthians 6:14-17). God means what He says. It is wrong for Christians to be doing worldly things. The path to heaven is narrow.
---Helen_5378 on 11/28/06

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I agree with AlanUK,
I love music, and I listen to all kinds every day. I thank God for the beauty I hear in most of it. However there's lot's of music I choose not to listen to.
If certain types of music challenge our walk with Christ, we should'nt listen to it, there are red flags everywhere.
Pray about your concerns, the Lord will guide you.
---lynet on 11/28/06

I have a huge collection of music that is a mix of music, such as soft rock, classical, and Christian. I do not listen to anything that is provocative, or has profanity in it. I also have a collection of DVDs that are secular. Some are even R Rated, like the Passion of the Christ.
---Madison1101 on 11/27/06

#2: I do not watch MTV, or any other music video channels, as those videos are very provocative. The Holy Spirit is alive in me and is capable of helping me discern what is best for my ears and eyes. Try praying about it and see what the Lord teaches you about this.
---Madison1101 on 11/27/06

Mom comes back when the brownies are done, and says ok here boys. They should be really good, chocolate and sugar, and a very special ingredient. A teeny tiny bit of droppings from the cats litterbox. The boys drop the brownies in disgust, and mom says, well its only a little bit what can it hurt...
---bethie on 11/27/06

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I am not saying it is wrong to watch movies or listen to secular, but what we put into our minds DOES affect us. If I listen to secular music all day, and play nothing else, I find my thoughts are not on God, in fact they are no where near Him. It becomes easier to fall into temptation. What we put in our minds, will eventually be what comes out of us.
---bethie on 11/27/06

Sorry, but gotta somewhat disagree with the moderator, at least on the music issue. Some of the most beautiful music is "secular" but not evil! Christian music is still best, but some great songs are secular too. Ask God's advice--it's HIS that counts :)
---Mary on 11/27/06

Have to agree with the moderator, secular media makes a joke of the values and precepts we hold dear as Christians.

If you watch garbage long enough the line between right and wrong gets fuzzy.

Still sadly many trade Jesus for entertainment and self gratification. garbage in - Jesus pushed out!
Who's on the throne of your life?
---Pharisee on 11/27/06

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