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Where In The Bible Is The Rapture

Where in the Bible is there scriptural authority for the beliefs in the RAPTURE?

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Scott. According to the Watchtower Society, Jesus is the incarnation of Micheal the Archangel and resumed again after Jesus' death.

This was not part of the original [and modern], inspired bible canon. There are no verses that state this like there are none about a trinity.

That's also a house built on sand. Trying to use logic that also applies to the society is quicksand.

(Btw...I sincerely hope that you and your family is better now after the passing of your dad.)
---aka on 1/18/15


You guys certainly come up with some interesting responses.
---learner2 on 1/18/15


If a text has been added some 1,300 years after the last inspired bible writer (John) penned his Gospel account . . . reason to give pause? . . . to support your theological views?

I can make 3 fingers work as if they were one finger. I can also make each of those fingers work individually. Now if I as a lowly human can do that then surely The Father, The Word, and the Spirit can work as one or work as individuals.


1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

So using common sense, this passage is TRUE. Jesus is the TRUTH - Jn 14:6. Truth comes from God.
---aservant on 1/18/15


There are seven books of the Bible that were there early on that the Protestants decided to get rid of. If God wanted them there, why did the Protestants remove them?
---learner2 on 1/17/15



Prov 16:9 We make our own plans, but the LORD decides where we will go. (CEV)

Prov 20:24 The steps of a man are from Jehovah, and how can a man understand his own way? (Darby)

It may appear that God's men are making final decisions, but the final result of our actions is what the Lord wants.

The Holy Spirit resides inside of the real people of God (as opposed to those who think they are adopted but are not) - 1Cor 3:16, 1Cor 6:19, 2Cor 6:16, and can choose to steer men when He wants.
---aservant on 1/18/15


"If the passage was added..." aservant

Not if but when.

If a text has been added some 1,300 years after the last inspired bible writer (John) penned his Gospel account don't you think that's reason to give pause? Particularly if you're using it to support your theological views?

Your one and only answer (so far) to the question "what verse says that God is three-in-one" is a verse that was not part of the original, inspired bible canon. That's a house built on sand.

You should be asking, if the bible clearly teaches that God is three persons in one, why is there no statement to that effect except one that was added 1,300 years later. Why did something need to be added?
---scott on 1/18/15




Because Lerner2 GOD did not put them there. Those books were only part of the Greek Septuagint and not part of the Regular Hebrew Bible called the Tanak.

Yes the Rapture or catching away of the church is found in the Bible. What the discussion is if it is a Secret pretribulation event or is it the Second Coming post tribulation event.

Because the Bible calls the rapture the Second Coming of Jesus. Matthew 24.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/18/15


There are seven books of the Bible that were there early on that the Protestants decided to get rid of. If God wanted them there, why did the Protestants remove them?
---learner2 on 1/17/15


"The facts are...First, it does not occur in any Greek manuscript earlier than the 14th century.
---scott


2Ti 3:16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God . . .

Mar 10:27 ". . . With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God ALL things are possible.

IF the passage was added, could God have prevented that if He chose? IF it were added, could God have caused it to happen?

"Dr." just means he is a man who has read a lot of books by other men, who still other men approve for a dignified title.

My faith & trust is this: God is the Author who puppeteered the human writers.
---aservant on 1/17/15


glenndee - on 1/17/15 - The rapture is not found in the Bible ?

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - THEN we shall which are alive and remain shall be {caught up} together with them in the clouds , to meet the Lord in the air,and so shall we ever be with the Lord,

IN Greek the word {Caught Up } - is Translated - harpazo - Which means take away , In Latin It is the word - Rapturo - People in the English language have coin it -------- > Rapture
---RichardC on 1/17/15


1 John 5:7- aservant

"JOHANNINE COMMA- 'For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these Three are One'...[these words] occur only in MSS (almost exclusively Latin) of a late date, are omitted in the RV, and are certainly not part of the original text of the Epistle. The origin of the interpolation is obscure...but the earliest evidence for the insertion of a gloss in the text of the Epistle comes from a MS. of Priscillianist provenance....thus [it] seems to have originated in N. Africa or Spain...It is absent from St. Jerome's original text of the Vulgate."

The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, F.L.Cross, Oxford University Press, reprint of 1963.
---scott on 1/17/15




Trinity = Tri (3) + unity (1). This term is not in the Bible.

---aservant

Trinity is not always a tri-unity. Tri refers to witness and unity refers to agreement.

Tri refers to an equation of numbers and unity is a condition of state. They cannot be added together.

Like executive, legislative, and judicial are three that make one govt. But these three are no longer in unity. So you cannot call them a triunity as it was set up. Maybe...tridisunity.
---aka on 1/17/15


The rapture is not found in scripture it was made up by false ministers to take people away from Gods saving truth.

Rapture lie ignores every scripture that states the Lord Jesus Christ returns.

The false rapture theory claims that people are taken from the earth, however nothing in scripture implies this and nowhere does scripture state people on earth are taken anywhere and certainly not away from earth.

The Lord Jesus Christ returns to earth to rule from Jerusalem.

Scriptures state the Lord returns to earth with 10 thousands of his Saints to set up his Kingdom and rule the earth with an iron rod.

The Lord Jesus Christ returns nowhere does it state believers go to him.
---glenndee on 1/17/15


William Barclay was a Universalist! Go Billy!
---learner2 on 1/17/15


1 John 5:7- aservant

Dr. William Barclay states:

"The facts are...First, it does not occur in any Greek manuscript earlier than the 14th century. The great manuscripts belong to the 3rd and 4th centuries, and it occurs in none of them. None of the great early fathers of the Church knew it. Jerome's original version of the [Latin]Vulgate does not include it."

"The Comma Joanneum, 5:7-8 of the Vg. is missing in all Gk MSS except four later MSS and in the Oriental versions. It is quoted by no Church father before Priscillian (380). There is no doubt that it is a gloss on the preceding lines, probably added in Africa..." John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible, 1965, p.445
---scott on 1/17/15


1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

See also Deu 6:4, Joh 10:30.

- Wikipedia -
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinitas "triad", from trinus "threefold")[1] defines God as three consubstantial persons . . . The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[4] In this context, a "nature" is WHAT one is, while a "person" is WHO one is.

Trinity = Tri (3) + unity (1). This term is not in the Bible.
---aservant on 1/17/15


The word rapture is in Not in scriptures, Neither is trinity.

Right Helen. 1st Thes.4 v 17 is scripture that pertains to rapture.

There is No scriptures pertaining to trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Bible prophesy, which Are commandments doctrines of men. Thank God.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/17/15


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Many believe the Rapture will take faithful Christians, suddenly disappear while life here on earth will continue for a seven-year period of tribulation. They say, many will be converted, have a "second chance" at salvation before Christ's final coming, but we know that Satan would have us believe that so that we can delay our conversion to Christ.

It teaches that dedicated people of God will not have to go 'through tribulation' and the wicked will have a second chance;
---Paulina on 7/6/07


Bible does not teach that:

"Sir, thou knowest... these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.

But the Lord will be with His children during tribulation Praise His Name.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
John 16:33.
---Paulina on 7/6/07


Secret Rapture theory:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night" 2Peter 3:10.

Many conclude that this means that there will be a secret rapture.
"in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat; the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2Peter 3:10.
---Paulina on 7/6/07


"If the good man of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ready ...for Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." Luke 12:39, 40

Christ points out unexpectedness - watch and pray. "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, the other shall be left... Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, the other left." Luke 17:34-36.
---Paulina on 7/6/07


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These verses say that at the end, there will be just two groups of people living upon the earth the lost and the saved.
---Paulina on 7/6/07


I've given reasons that there is no rature and two resurrections - one at the end of the tribulation of the Christians who are worthy to enter heaven and one at the end of the thousand years who are found in the book of life.

But for now, the only two things we must do whether you believe in the pre-, mid-, or post tribualtion is to do the two commandments of Jesus in the NT and of God in the OT - to Love your God... and love your neighbor... Then your rise in the first ressurrection is guaranteed.
---Steveng on 7/5/07


I have a very good idea that some poor lost souls are making fun of Christians and the fact that we will be caught up in the air with Jesus. If this is true, man do I feel sorry for you, because you will be left behind to face the great tribulation and God's awful wrath. UG.
---catherine on 7/4/07


Leand, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 is a reference to the Second Coming of Jesus, not a pre-tribulation rapture. See the last part of verse 17 "...and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
---lorra8574 on 7/4/07


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Steven: thank you. you have just echoed what many of us have been saying all along. there are only two resurrections, not three. They swear by one scripture that talks about the first resurrection and swear it talks about something else that doesn't exist. God is a God of order and defines things. He doesn't say one thing and do another, christians are notorious for doing that. it is the hardest thing in life to admit many were wrong and they followed false doctrines of man like sheep to the slaughter.
---ashley on 7/4/07


Some say there are 3 types of humans. True believers, make believers, & non-believers. I see another I call the seekers. People that believe but just can't committ to Jesus. The foolish virgins. As examp. Jews that believe but can't see Jesus as Saviour. When Jesus was crucified, dead arose & walked among the living. Raptured if you will. When Jesus returns it will happen again to true believers. Those who remain will live through tribulation learning who Jesus really is to them. That's MY take on it.
---mikefl on 7/4/07


For those of you who don't believe in the rapture, you've been studying to show yourselves approved.For those of you who do believe in the rapture,you've been taking the word of the false teachers/prophets.Study it for yourselves.There's not a 2nd coming part a and part b folks.
---Gabe on 7/4/07


This is a frivolous debate. But if you must, let's reason this out so that you may learn.

First, There is only One Judgement Day, not two. If people are raptured at the beginning, judgement has been pronounced, because the Christians were taken and the evil people left on Earth. But it is written that both the tares and the wheat will be harvested at the same time.
---Steveng on 7/4/07


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Second, there is nothing new under the sun. No one in history was ever raptured. Jesus himself said no one has ascended into heaven. Neither Moses or Elijah will be the witnesses. God even says that he buried Moses in a valley. I suggest reading a phrase dictionary telling the many ways to say that a person kicked the bucket, bit the dust, he flew on the wings of the wind to the happy hunting ground, etc.
---Steveng on 7/4/07


Third, Every time there was a catastrophe, Godly men and women were not raptured, but were protected by God and still on earth. Noah and his family, David and his friends, the Israelites during the plagues, etc. The Christians during the tribulation period will be protected the same way by the mark of God. All humanity is in the same boat and will experience the same thing, but Christians are protected.
---Steveng on 7/4/07


Forth, There are only two resurrections, not three. If there was a pre-trib rapture, there would be three resurrections - one at the beginning of the tribulation period, one at the end of the tribulation (to bring up the Christians and converted ones), and one at the end of the thousand year period. It's written that blessed are those who rise during the first resurrection. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year period.
---Steveng on 7/4/07


Fifth, Why have a tribulation? If the Christians were taken up and the evil left on earth? Many Christians believe that they would rise before the tribulation to escape Gods wrath. But why would the dead be taken? Can the dead can't feel the wrath of God on Earth if theyre dead?
---Steveng on 7/4/07


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Sixth, how can you Christians be so vain to think you are more special than the Christians and Godly people who died in all of history. Don't be afraid about what is about to happen during these end times for God promised to protect you from his wrath. Persecution, on the other hand, is what we will face. Are you willing to die for Jesus like all the other Godly people and Christians in the past? Now is the time to strengthen your relationship with God.
---Steveng on 7/4/07


So, forget about this rapture thing, about the age of the universe, about knowing how the Earth began, or when it will end, about dinosaurs, about "Whose on first, What's on second and I-don't-knows on third." Teach the Gospel that Jesus taught - the Gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there. Go out into the world and spread the Gospel. For the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 7/4/07


The rapture is very true indeed the scritpure below proves it! If you believe in Jesus Christ, and has accepted him as your saviour, and led a holy, consecrated, sanctified life It is a very glorious day for you indeed! Read it for yourself it there clear as day!

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17


peace, leandra
---Leand9559 on 7/4/07


Helen, the confusion stems from two different events - Matthew 24 may contain an allusion to the end times, but most of it was a warning about the now historical fall of Jerusalem. During this event, which was future to Christ's prophesy in Matthew 24, was devestating and took a lot of lives. But, because of the detail of the warning, it appears that no Christians lost their lives during this brutal holocaust. They heeded the warnings and left the city before the calamity and went up to the hills.
---lorra8574 on 7/4/07


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Helen P2: The passages in Matthew 24 do say that some are left behind, hence the name of the fictional book series on the Rapture. But this has nothing to do with the rapture.

You are correct in that when we are "raptured" up on the last day, none will be left behind.
---lorra8574 on 7/4/07


It is recorded every eye shall see Jesus return to signal the first resurrection dressed in blood red for the righteous and to destroy the wicked. There are only two mentioned. the first and second resurrections. No where have I found that he will come a third time. Where is a third resurrection mentioned where everyone meets the Savior before the first resurrection. If someone says Jesus comes back three times, I want the references because it means the bible is a lie.
---ashley on 7/4/07


** Ruben - No. Nobody is left behind. The dead Christians rise first, then we go up also. It all happens at the same time.**

It happens at the same time that Christ returns visibly to earth, not seven years before.

There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture. Those waiting for it will be the FIRST to fall down and worship Antichrist.
---Jack on 7/4/07


Ruben - No. Nobody is left behind. The dead Christians rise first, then we go up also. It all happens at the same time.
---Helen_5378 on 7/4/07


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Helen-Then we who are alive and remain


This scriptures tells me that they were left behind...
---Ruben on 7/3/07


Ashley, don't let these modern day believers decieve you, for they do not know what they are saying. God is true, and has revealed it in your "heart". There is no mention of a "Rapture" in the Bible! Just as their word "Torment" would not mean "punishment", it does not. Satan loves to manipulate people, and he has found a way through "God's Word". Don't let them mislead you. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 7/3/07


Helen, amen. That will occur on the last day. Some mix up the scriptures like a deck of cards to suggest that this will occur more than once and that Jesus is not King yet until after some imaginary precurser rapture.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07


I have heard that some rapturist believe that Matthew 24 predicts a rapture, but this refers predominantly to the fall of Jerusalem, and the key passage in Matthew 24 is echoed in Luke 17:34-36, but this time verse 37 answers the question "where" will they be taken?

37And answering they said to Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said to them, "(AJ)Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered."

Based on this, I want to be left behind.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07


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The best scripture proof against the pretribulation rapture is John 17:15

15"I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one."

That is what Jesus said on the matter. See also Mark 13:13 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.", see also Matthew 24:9-14, verse 13 repeates "but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved."
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07


We will be taken up on the last day, and dead shall rise first, as promised. But those who teach that the "saved" are going to be protected from the tribulations by being raptured up first while the unsaved receive tribulation and a second chance at getting saved are preaching a false gospel.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07


I believe that the rapture will occur. I believe that Jesus will remove the church from the world before JACCOB'S TROUBLE and then return with them after the 7 yrs. to rule
---Sandra on 7/2/07


Rapture is only a descriptive word we use today just as we use the word Trinity to describe the Triune God. Many texts can be found to describe the Rapture..
---jana on 7/2/07


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Ashley - The Scripture I quoted (1 Thessalonians 4:17) is a perfect description of the Rapture of the Church. All the Saints who have ever lived are going to meet the Lord in the air.
---Helen_5378 on 7/1/07


Helen: you are right, it can't get any more clearer than that to describe the first resurrection only. the rapture is a figment of someone's overactive imagination centuries ago when many people included their own hereses in protestant churches to form many denominations, all rebelling against the catholic church. people fought each other over doctrine. you didn't like what was taught, they formed their own church so they did not feel guilty. archives of history 1665.
---ashley on 7/1/07


Rapture Scripture 1Thessalonians 4:17: "Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord". Cannot get any clearer than that.
---Helen_5378 on 6/30/07


Acts 1:10 and "this same Jesus who has been taken from you into heaven will come back in the same way...". So Jesus IS coming again, from various scriptures. Now, Paul got a fancy and wrote down a dream that he had, in which Believers went up bodily into heaven before Jesus 2nd coming. People have made millions of dollars off of promoting this idea, although Jesus had plenty of time to speak about it, and never did. There is some disharmony between the Gospels and the other writers of the N.T.
---harold on 6/30/07


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The rapture is a figment of someone's imagination during the 1600's, when ideas of people were incorporated into protestant theology. Many point to 1 Thesolonians. that talks about the first resurrection. If you are not involved in the first resurrection, you need to worry. You will then come forth in the second. Jesus spoke in parables. He gave an example of two working in the field. One is righteous and the other wicked. One is resurrected first, leaving the second to wait for the second resurrection.
---ashley on 6/30/07


There is NONE if you are convinced it's not true.

I don't have time to argue, but I keep an open mind about rapture theory anyway.

Stand with me, and we'll wait and see. God Bless Ya, love,
---Pharisee on 6/30/07


Ruben-Jesus also said in the same chapter that it will be like the days of Noah, will if you recall Noah and his family were LEFT BEHIND... ( Like and same have two different meanings) - what happen in Noah day is a type of what is going to happen in are day- it is worth noting that- Noah and his family were the only ones saved and were NOT LEFT BEHIND like the rest of the people who perished in the flood-God brought Noah and his family out- he always makes a way for his own.
---Nai on 12/4/06


Ruben-Nai-(1Thessalonians3-v17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." ) If you are using this verse as the Rapture verse please read it again slowly it said those who are alive and REMAIN..there are no one else there but the one's who remain..
Nai-I not sure I get what you mean - we which are alive and REMAIN are the ones that will be taken why would there be anyone else?
---Nai on 12/4/06


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Pt. 5... and desire to be taken during that time of darkness in (Lk. 17:33-36). The disciples asked where they would be taken? (Ver.37) Jesus' answer is found in that same verse, "Wheresoever the body (spiritual corpse of the enslaved sensually based mentality) is there will the eagles (deceived as in a wind like flight) be gathered together. Entertained by that flood that issues forth from the mouth of Satan as the Anti-(opposer, imitator, counterfeit, spurious) christ.
---Josef on 12/2/06


Pt. 4 Ver. 22 "Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hand of the wicked, that he should not turn from his wicked way, by promising him life:" Please read the entire chapter it is very enlightening concerning the end time deception. "When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him" Jesus speaks of the overwhelming deception...[Cont.]
---Josef on 12/2/06


Pt. 3 ...by your lying to my people that hear your lies? Ver. 20-21 "Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold I am against your pillows wherewith ye hunts the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arm, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted: and ye shall know that I am LORD" [Cont.]
---Josef on 12/2/06


Pt. 2 ... of their own meant to gather & unite the weak under a false hood) "and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature (covering the mind of those so easily shaken & are seeking to rise out of danger, with a lie) to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?" Ver.19 "And will you pollute me among my people.., to slay the souls that should not die,and to save the souls alive that should not live ...[Cont]
---Josef on 12/2/06


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I find nothing in scripture to suggest that mankind will be taken from the earth. The Father created the earth for man & man for life on earth. I do however find warnings against embracing & teaching that belief. Isa. 60:8 "Who are these that fly as a cloud, And as a dove to their windows? Surely the isles shall wait for me..." Eze. 13:18 "Woe to the women that sow pillows to all armholes" (Woe to those who cover the outstretched arms of the Father salvation with a cushion....[Cont.]
---Josef on 12/2/06


I beleive that the rapture and the resurection are one and the same event. the scriptures plainly state that the DEAD in Christ shall rise first and then we which are ALIVE and remain shall be caught up together with them.
---craige on 12/1/06


Elder, let us look for example at the sabbat. Jesus was at the gathering place and the religious leaders were testing him. there was a man with a withered hand, Jesus asked is it right to do good or evil on the sabbat? they answered good. so he healed him. and they got mad. IN this case both ideas could be supported by scripture so both biblical. But only one was the truth. the truth we see is not linear but it is above us.
---Jared on 12/1/06


(continued) that's why sometimes we have to take a look at other views to see if maybe we are wrong. and the Rapture I think it is wrong theologically because Jesus doesn't say that we will avoid suffering but that we will endure. Rapture is about getting away not sticking it out. True you can support it biblically but you can also show that it is not supported. We need to focus on the Essenctials and not get stuck in these devisive periferals.
---Jared on 12/1/06


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(continued again) to be quite honest we don't know and we never will until we are in his prescences and I won't care then because I'll be too busy worshiping.
---Jared on 12/1/06


Those using the the parables of the wheat and tares to apply to the Rapture need to realize what you are saying is that the "tares" or the wicked are being raptured then. The removal of the wicked will happen after the tribulation just before Christ's second coming to set up His kingdom. Don't confuse this with the rapture of the Church.
---Jonathan on 12/1/06


Nai-(Maththew24-v40-42
"The shall two be in in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left. ) Jesus also said in the same chapter that it will be like the days of Noah, will if you recall Noah and his family were LEFT BEHIND...
---Ruben on 12/1/06


Jared how can a view be Biblical if it is wrong? One says there is no Rapture, one says there is and another says it occurs at the end of the Tribulation.....
So someone has to be wrong. there is nothing Biblical about a wrong view. You can't have everything and have it Biblical also.
There has already been at least two Raptures in the Bible. So why would another one not also happen?
---Elder on 12/1/06


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Nai-(1Thessalonians3-v17
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." ) If you are using this verse as the Rapture verse please read it again slowly it said those who are alive and REMAIN..there are no one else there but the one's who remain..
---Ruben on 12/1/06


This is a frivolous debate. A person can take verses out of context, twist it around, and make you believe anything your heart desires. The supposed rature verses are as such.

Besides, why are today's Christians so vain to think that we are any different than the persecuted Christians in all of history? My suggestion? Start praying on a daily basis and meditate on the Word because the time is at hand.
---Steveng on 11/30/06


** There are several referrals in the N.T. such as Mat.27:51-53...**

None of these say that the Rapture takes place before the Tribulation.

In fact, the Parable of the Wheat and Tares makes it plain the Rapture takes place AFTER the Tribulation.

Furthermore, in the same chapter (Matt 13), the Parable of the Dragnet suggests it's a rapture of the WICKED--it's the BAD fish that go sailing through the air.
---Jack on 11/30/06


pharisee maybe you should apply that to yourself as well. you don't have to believe it but you can atleast understand that other views are biblical Too. We can't know for sure, so we shouldn't fight about the rapture. What we do know for sure is that one day Christ will return, and while he's not physically here we are to bring people to his kingdom today.
---Jared on 11/30/06


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Didn't He actually say "that where I AM, you May Be also." kinda strange that He put it that way, don't you think? personally I find very little in scripture to back up the rapture theory.
---chestnut_burr on 11/30/06


1Thessalonians3-v17

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Maththew24-v40-42

"The shall two be in in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
---Nai on 11/30/06


There are several referrals in the N.T. such as Mat.27:51-53. & 1Thes.4:14-17, & Rev.10:7, & 1Cor.15:50-54, & parables such as the wise & foolish virgins, & the wheat and tares. The important thing there is to see the type is in baptism and the way is in accepting that Jesus lived, died, and resurrected so if we believe (follow) Him, we can go where He went.
---mikefl on 11/30/06


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