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Was The Devil A Snake

Did the 'serpent' who beguiled Eve really look like a snake, as portrayed in books or have we misunderstood the word 'serpent' here? Could it be God's word for 'the evil one' or something like that? It's more likely that Eve would have accepted something from a human-looking being than from a snake.

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//There is no power in lost man to come to Christ by his own ability - MarkV//

This is why the gospel must be preached.
---Daniel on 8/11/10


There is no power in lost man to come to Christ by his own ability - MarkV

Deut 30:11-14
Romans 10:6-13

Mark theres a reason why the Holy Ghost chose to make reference to Old Testament scripture right there.

He is tryin to show us that just as man had the ability to obey the commandments he chose not to.

Its the same with the gospel of Christ now. We must believe it. And we have the ability to do so.

for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
---JackB on 8/11/10


Jack B, Of course you're happier with your beliefs. You would rather be the determinator of your fate then to let God be - MarkV

Youre right Mark, the thought of burning in hell for eternity would be much more pleasurable as long as a man knows it is part of Gods sovereign will.

Are you serious!!????

Ya know its easy to be happy about our pain and suffering according to the Lords will as long as it brings about a greater good. What good comes from a man burning in hell forever?

Even God says He has no pleasure in it!!! They very one you claim predestines people to it before they are even born!!!
---Jackb on 8/11/10


Mark 10:3
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him

Christ is speaking to the Jews here, Mark. (context again)

The good news was first brought to the Jews, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Christ even told the disciples NOT to go to the Gentiles when He sent them away to cast out devils and work miracles.

The Jews rejected Him. You KNOW the book of Romans teaches this, Mark. Through their fall salvation is come to the Gentiles (Paul was one appointed to us).

And btw the prayer Christ made only for those given to Him and not for the world.... He has praying in front of his disciples....hes talking about his disciples (John 17:12). (Once again context)
---JackB on 8/11/10


Jack B, Of course your happier with your believes, you rather be the determinator of your fate then to let God be. It is no wonder you believe the Arminian theology because it takes man and puts him on the throne. And man does not like to be off of it. It's the last sin man don't want to give up, his humanistic view, "myself" "my family" "what they love" what they want" "what they feel is right." Lost man has always felt his been in control, and letting go is hard. When all truth be told, they feel better, more comfortable, with more freedom to do what they want, when they feel they are in control. They know what's right and what's wrong better then God. They can take Him or leave Him when they want.
---MarkV. on 8/10/10




Jack B 2:
You said, "He gives the ability and does not force them to come to Christ .
---MarkV. on 7/31/10
So you didnt say this?"

Of course I did. There is no power in lost man to come to Christ by his own ability. They love darkness rather then the light. They do not come that they might have light. They do not hear the calling voice of God. Jesus said,
"I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Fathers name, they bear witness of Me. "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep," as I said to you, My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me" Only until you become one of the sheep, will you hear His voice and follow Him.
---MarkV. on 8/10/10


Jack B 3:
no one wants their kids to go to hell. No one knows if they are or not. Only God knows. If they are brought up in the Christian faith, they at least have a foundation base on God. But you cannot tell whether they will rebel against God and what they will do when they grow up. You have no control over their lives. you cannot make up their minds, are make sure they do what you want them to do. Each one is responsible for their actions. What they descide to do with their lives, is exactly what God already knew they would. What we need to make sure is that we are one of the elect and we can by making sure our faith is placed in Christ and His works on the cross. If we have that faith, we will be found in the book of life.
---MarkV. on 8/10/10


In Genesis 3:14>>> "on your belly you will go, and dust you will eat all the days of your life"....This story records the tragic story of mankind. Satan indicated that the path to knowledge is to bypass God's word. Satan never wants you to obey God's word, let it be a direct command or the word of God. Eve--had followed the three inevitable steps that lead to sin: [1] sight, [2] desire, and [3] gratification. Not the only steps to sin---there is the involvement of others in our sin. There is no such thing as private sin, Every sin affects someone else. Eve's sin affected Adam, and consequently, Adam's sin affected The whole human race.... death passed unto all men, for that all have sinned [Rom. 5:12].
---catherine on 8/10/10


The story is told in an allergoric fashion to reveal spiritiual truths, remember the natural mind CANNOT understand the things of GOD. The serpent is and always been a symbol of wisdom, thats why even today it is used as a symbol of medicine.(the snake on the pole) Just keep in mind that Adam was not decieved (1timothey 2:14) and Adam was also a type or picture of Christ(Rom 5:14) God has given you and anoiting that you only need him to teach you these things. May the Truth set you free.
---tb on 8/9/10


..The bible teaches that children are sanctified by beleiving parents.. many arguments against so called Calvinism are wrongly based...Arminiasm seems "good" but an unsaved man is spiritualy dead until Gods grace provides him with the faith to choose salvation...thats how it was with Paul on the road to (persecuting christans in...)Damascus,its a principal.Yes God involves a mans free-will and that truth is not overlooked in a proper Calvinistic setting...even sound teaching can be overbalanced to become unsound as proved by some over-zealous so called Calvinists in the form of Hyper Calvinism...best stick to middle ground in most things I think.
---richard on 8/9/10




In fact everything you say is opinions- MarkV

But yours is not? You know everything?

Arminians dont know the God of scripture (?) but you question the preservation of His word constantly just to hold onto your beliefs.

For months I considered your doctrine to be true. It was the most miserable time of my Christian life. I even distanced myself from my own daughters because all I could wonder is... "Does God love my children too and want to save them from hell or does He want them to burn?"

No love, no joy, no peace, no patience, no kindness. How can a man be happy for himself knowing there are billions who have NO chance at Gods mercy? That person would be completely self-centered.
---JackB on 8/7/10


He gives the ability and does not force them to come to Christ .
---MarkV. on 7/31/10

So you didnt say this?
---JackB on 8/7/10


Jack B, you sure mention stuff that I have not said, you are beginning to show who you are. In fact everything you say is opinions. What you like and dislike. How you think things should be or not be. Another thing you do is make a mockery of the Attributes, character and nature of God when you say such things about them and try to make such attributes of God a joke. They are not a joke Jack. If you do not want to discuss godly matters, just don't answer. God is so sovereign that He knows if you are going to put your shoes on or not, and whether you are going to obey the Holy Spirit or not. In fact He knows who you are, and where you are going. The only one that doesn't know is you.
---MarkV. on 8/7/10


God will not put your shoes on or tell you what shorts to wear - MarkV


What!? I thought He was totally sovereign!
---JackB on 8/6/10


You don't know the real God of Scripture - MarkV.

I dont believe YOU are lost. I believe you are deceived because you werent willing to wait on the Lord. And just as there were some sucked into Jim Jones church and the Lord later opened their eyes, so He can do the same for you.

But then some trusted that man with their very life and died needlessly, believing that the Spirit he claimed gave him insight was that of God and afraid to question his teachings out of fear of questioning Gods sovereign will. Sound familiar?

Its not blasphemy to test the spirits. God is not so harsh that He would damn us for wanting to be sure. Satan comes as an angel of light and there was "another Jesus" according to Paul.
---JackB on 8/6/10


He (God) gives the ability and does not force them to come to Christ .
---MarkV. on 7/31/10

Btw Mark.. Im happy to see that on another blog you just denied "Efficacious/Irresistable Grace". That tells me that you are not a **5** point Calvinist after all.

2 Peter 2:20,21

A man can turn from the commandment once he has escaped the pollution of the world by the knowledge of Jesus Christ.
---JackB on 8/6/10


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Heilel ben shahar(Lucifer-latin)
Hebrew defined: "Light bearer"-"morning star".
Hebrew letters:H-L-L(hey-lamed-lamed)
ben shahar-son of the morning
To my understandign, we are given 4 offices, named with each role played in deception-to bear false light on truth.

Alias-Dragon:"a fabulous kind of serpent"stg #1404 imatates the Lamb slain from the foundation
Alias-Serpent:artful malicious, clever,skillfull
Alias-devil: false accuser#1228 bears false witness
Alias-Satan:"arch enemy of God-"adversay who test.
Gen 3 Luke 22:31
Rev 12:7,Rev 20:1-2.Jer 33:11,Rev 18:23,Rev 12:10,2 Th 2:3-4,Is 14:12
---char on 8/6/10


to understand calvinism you need a handle on the sovereignty of God arguing about a bunch of flowers wont cut the mustard!...a man is DEAD in his trespasses and sins he does not have the wherewithal to bring his spirit to life,it is God who quickeneth...what no man has ever done or is capable of doing requires more than a mental descision to change the course of mans sinful nature...as for the serpent he became a snake as part of the curse..on your belly shall you go etc..
---richard on 8/6/10


Mark, Im still waiting sir for the verses that state all men will reject Jesus Christ unless God intervenes and MAKES them believe.

Can you please supply those scriptures?

Im gonna start a blog probably this weekend some time on the 5 points of Calvinism(TULIP) and ask for scripture proving them all correct. Any Calvinist is welcome to provide scripture. I would love to discuss them 1 point at a time so that we will be able to examine the context of the scriptures given. See you then.
---JackB on 8/6/10


Jack, God is absolute Sovereign. You don't know the real God of Scripture. Here is the fundamental difference between the man of faith and the man of unbelief. The unbeliever is "of the world," judges everything by worldly standards, views life from the standpoint of time and sense, and weighs everything in the balances of his own carnal making. But the man of faith brings in God, looks at everything from His standpoint, estimates values by spiritual standards, and views life in the light of eternity. Doing this, he receives whatever comes as from the hand of God. Doing this, he rejoices in hope of the glory of God.
To say God is Sovereign is to declare that He is the Almighty, the Possessor of all power in heaven and earth.
---MarkV. on 8/5/10


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Jack B, you said,
"When we can't understand how scripture fits together and they SEEM to contradict one another the best thing we can do is pray for patience and for the Holy Ghost to show us the true meanings of those verse in His timing."
If that is the case Jack, why haven't you been able to interpret correctly the passages you have given? It could be the Holy Spirit wants you to do some work for yourself and you are seating there praying for patience.
You have to do some work sometimes Jack, move out of your comfort zone. God will not put your shoes on or tell you what shorts to wear. You have all the help available to you, God has already provided that, through writers of Greek, Hebrew and Latin.
---MarkV. on 8/6/10


Jack B, you make such outrageous remarks. You, who claim you are a desciple of Christ who will do anything possible to learn the truth. I only give you some reasons why different words were use in passages, but the meaning to the passages remained the same. You turned my answer to trash only because you want to pursue a different theology altogether. That is fine Jack. You can pursue what you like. In the end it will be what God permits you to follow. And in the end you will be what He knew you would be, either a tare are a wheat. But let me tell you He already knows. All you are doing is going through the process. There was a hidden agenda within you, for asking me those questions. There always is, and it is not for the glory of God.
---MarkV. on 8/5/10


The serpant was an upright animal God made. Satan/devil/lucifer was not in that chapter. It says in ch 3 "now the snake was the most clever of all the wild animals the Lord God has made." New Century version...so we see God made the snake & also cursed the snake. On the other post i agree that the morning star/lucifer was describing Nebacenezer. Anyhow people want ot "add" the later scriptures to the earlier ones when they weren't in that order. Another point..God made everything & the snake being a wise animal tested God by testing his children,afterward God cursed the snake.
---candice on 8/5/10


The sovereignty of God is only insisted upon when a man needs it to support his own doctrine

God is so sovereign that He directs every man's path toward either Heaven or Hell? And this path cannot not be changed by any power of man? (Sounds a lot like The Fates from Greek MYTHology... remember those? There were 3. Go figure.)

The very same people who claim God's absolute sovereignty over ALL things do not apply it to His written word as well. They feel the message brought in the Bible is misinterpreted by man and gives many people a false hope of salvation.

Its the biggest hypocritical double standard of all time.

Proverbs 16:18
Pride cometh before a fall
---JackB on 8/5/10


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Jack B 2: when a word contradicts another passage we are called to search the words in the Hebrew and in Greek to make the right judgment - MarkV

Im sorry Mark... what scripture tells us to double check the word of God? We are directed to search the scriptures, NOT double check them for accuracy!!

When we can't understand how scripture fits together and they SEEM to contradict one another the best thing we can do is pray for
patience and for the Holy Ghost to show us the true meanings of those verse in His timing. I really wish you had done that rather than trust in the spiritual direction of heretics. (Augustine, Calvin)
---JackB on 8/5/10


Jack B 2: when a word contradicts another passage we are called to search the words in the Hebrew and in Greek to make the right judgment. It takes time but nothing is more important then to get to the Truth. Some, like those who believe in soul sleep, will tell you that the word "Pneuma" is memtioned, they only give one interpretion of the word, that it is the breath of the person, but that is true if it is related to the word "Pneo" but in many passages it means something completely different depending on the context. It could mean man, the resurrected body, in (1 Cor. 15:45, 1 Peter 3:18), the inward man, an expression use only of the believer (Romans 7:6, 2 Cor. 4:13).
---MarkV. on 8/5/10


What would possess a Christmas man to even want to pick apart Gods whirls? To try to find inconsistencies, mistranslations, mispellings eggs eggs.
---JackB on 8/4/10

JackB,
If you're not happy with my bad translation of your original message then you may be able to consider the problem I have with the bad KJV translation of God's Original Word to Isaiah. I am very happy with 99% of the translation! 100% of the original intent!
Carla, Do your own research. Even IF Lucifer was a name found in the Hebrew language(it's not), there's clearly nothing in the context of taunts linking that name to any angel. Read the passage!
I know this bucks tradition but don't immediately accept or reject anyone's blog including mine.
---Legends on 8/4/10


\\The KJV is where the mistake occured. Being that they did not use the orginal text but rather relied on the Latin Vulgate of Jerome. (Lucifer being Latin)

The KJV had several errors and revisions then finally tossed out in 1878. Itself was not a bible but a revision of an Anglican Bible. Never authorized by King James due to its inaccurancies.\\

As a matter of fact, the KJV was indeed translated on the basis of the Greek and Hebrew. You're confusing the KJV with the Roman Catholic Douay/Rheims, which predated the KJV and was translated from the Vulgate.

And what do you think the 1878 (actually 1881) Bible was but an ANGLICAN Bible?
---Cluny on 8/4/10


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It takes the knowledge of sin to make one wary or afraid. Then there would be no reason for the innocent Eve to be unsettled by a talking, walking snake. Even so, the snake would be the most apt description for someone being sly and furtive...more crafty than any.... The 'snake' had its legs removed and dirt would get in its mouth: no longer would Satan have the mobility to reach the heights of the celestial beings anymore, and definitely no higher than the heel of Jesus Christ on Earth. And so now Satan is the 'serpent with fire', the dragon: So I made fire come out of you and it consumed you, and this is catching on. You will meet many people with fiery breath in this world, but they won't be green and reptilian.
---John_II on 8/5/10


Jack B, you said,
"What would possess a Christian man to even want to pick apart Gods word? To try to find inconsistencies, mistranslations, mispellings etc etc."
I do believe there is many who have an agenda and look to question Scripture. But you have to remember as I told you on another blog, the Bibles we have are not the original manuscripts. Many translations have been done. Many words were used by the translators where they believe would be better use then the original words themselves. Also through the times, as the Scriptures were passed down through history, the Greeks pronounce words differently and so use other words. Another thing is one word means something different in another passage.
---MarkV. on 8/5/10


The KJV had several errors and revisions then finally tossed out in 1878. Itself was not a bible but a revision of an Anglican Bible. Never authorized by King James due to its inaccurancies - john

Im sorry but I have to ask...

What would possess a Christian man to even want to pick apart Gods word? To try to find inconsistencies, mistranslations, mispellings etc etc.

Not happy with the message it gives?
Curiousity?
---JackB on 8/4/10


Interesting How ever The question was Lucifer was not even a name, I found the name in the KJV.
Wink, Wink ,)
---Carla on 8/2/10

That is exactly what I said in my post.
We may have crossed posts and you missed it.

The KJV is where the mistake occured. Being that they did not use the orginal text but rather relied on the Latin Vulgate of Jerome. (Lucifer being Latin)

The KJV had several errors and revisions then finally tossed out in 1878. Itself was not a bible but a revision of an Anglican Bible. Never authorized by King James due to its inaccurancies.
---john on 8/3/10


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Carla, I did a lot of digging and searching and could not find anywhere that says what Legends says about the word Lucifur. I believe if we are to just except the fact that Scripture calls him that way, we should not fail in our walk with Christ. There has been many who have translated the originals and used words that do need to be looked up when they seem to contradict another passage or passages. In this case it does not.
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


I think the snake was an artist's imagination at work. The artist drew a snake in order to make (whom he/she was telling the story to) to get the point across. Satan is a bad and evil spirt that works through people and things. Satan gets into a person or things and makes them do evil and bad things.
I think the snake is used as a symbol. For instance. alcohol( snake/evil) gets into a person and makes them drive. From that point, they kill people and do very evil things. If they did not have the alcohol(snake/evil) in them, they would not have done the evil thing.
---Robyn on 8/3/10


Carla,
KJV and others use Lucifer as a name.
But many scholars realize from Hebrew study that Lucifer is not a direct translation of the original Hebrew word, Heylel.
As you may know, Isaiah wasn't written originally in King James English but Hebrew and Aramaic.
Don't believe ANY translated version of the Bible, nor me, other bloggers, teachers, or scholars that affirm or deny the word Lucifer. Dig deep in your Concordance or Lexicon or ask a Hebrew speaking Jewish Rabbi.
Lucifer in the midst of that verse is like a single green grain in a sack of white rice. Doesn't belong! KJV translators made a mistake.
A name isn't in the original, meaning Lucifer can't be the proper name of any being especially one of God's Angels.
---Legends on 8/3/10


Interesting How ever The question was Lucifer was not even a name, I found the name in the KJV.

Wink, Wink ,)
---Carla on 8/2/10


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Legends you are correct on the word Lucifer and what the orginal text was referring to. (Nebuchadnezzar).

It derives from the Latin Vulgate and was used in the KJV which took all its infomation from the Vulgate rather than from the orguinal text. One of the reason the KJV was considered the most inaccurate bible leading to it being toss out in the late 19th century by the UK.

Lucifer is a latin description of the planet Venus. Sadly this misuse of text makes many Christians confused when reading Rev22:16... I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star!

Good posts!
---JOHN on 7/31/10


Mark V,
Amen! There are much more things we agree on than disagree. Blessings MY Brother!
---Legends on 8/1/10


Legends, thanks again for the response. I will leave you with your interpretation. If this was about the Sovereignty of God, I would stay with you till, if possible, the Second Coming of Christ, but since it is about the enemy, I will not give him anymore attention then needs to be given. Again thanks for the answers.
---MarkV. on 7/31/10


pt2
Neither Book identifies an angel as the subject. No angels mentioned.
The presence of the words HEAVEN and ABOVE THE STARS do not even pass your own tests as solid scriptural evidence for leaping and giving an angel the name Lucifer. Heylel isn't even a name in the Hebrew language.
Daniel confirms the TREE that was boasted about growing "above the clouds" and even "above the stars of God" was the humanly self-exalted KINGDOM of Babylon. It was Nebuchadnezzar's BOAST. He didn't boast his kingdom to be a molehill. High-minded humans boast HIGH.
Sit on Mounts.
Reached unto heaven.
Tree seen to the end of ALL THE EARTH. That's a human, NOT AN ANGEL, boasting about HIS TREE EXALTED higher than stars.
---Legends on 7/30/10


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One more thing!
Isaiah 14:4-21 is a Proverb. Also known as a simile/Young's Literal or...
A TAUNT(NASB).
Taunting is Mockery!
Isaiah writes, "How you have FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O star of the morning."Is14:12NASB
Instead of believing this verse is proof about an angel's toss out of Heaven because teachers say, God's Holy Heaven lost 1/3 of it's Holy angels in an unholy rebellion...
See the verse for what God told Isaiah it was. A TAUNT. A mockery of boastful words spoken by a high-minded human.
Nebuchadnezzar said HE WOULD ascend above the clouds/stars. The TAUNT in response: How you have fallen from Heaven BRIGHT ONE.
It's mockery of his deluded brightness! Not a historical record of a fallen Holy Angel.
---Legends on 7/30/10


"you said it was not talking about Lucifur but about a king. But the verses disagree with your interpretation."-MarkV

Isaiah and Daniel both confirm Nebuchadnezzar as the subject.

"thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon" Is14:4
"I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great."Dan4:10
11The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto HEAVEN, and the sight thereof to the end of ALL THE EARTH"
20The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven
22IT IS THOU, O king
---Legends on 7/30/10


Legends, I do not know what book you are reading but my Bible says Lucifur. In the Hebrew the word is (Heylel) < "Hay-lale"> when come from the word ( 'haial") which means "in the sense of brightness), morning star." Your answer was already brought up by you a long time ago when you said it was not talking about Lucifur but about a king. But the verses disagree with your interpretation. The passages are comparing the fall of Lucifur with the fall of the king of Babylon. By putting both examples at the same time. A king did not fall from heaven, Lucifur did. Could the king exhalt himself above the stars? "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God" Of course not. The king could not do that.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


Carla, are not the stories of Scripture increditable? Every time I read, I see something I might have missed many times before. The Spirit reveals things to us so that we be at the right point in time prepared for something He had already ordained. When I see God from His perspective, things look alot different then when I see them from my perspective. We all do that. We kind of make Him like one of us doing things through time. And when He makes a mistake He corrects it. But God is so awesome that He never makes mistakes. It is just awesome to learn things of God.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


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We Know that Lucifer was an angel.
Carla

There is NO scripture that has the name Lucifer.
John

Carla,
A subject worthy of it's own blog. Studies show John is correct in saying the word LUCIFER never appears in scripture.
I trust he will correct me but this is what he may mean.
Simple Hebrew word research: Lucifer is a really bad latin transliteration of a Hebrew word that isn't even a name. It's not a direct translation. The Hebrew seems better translated as the verb HOWL, not a name.

My belief: Isaiah wasn't talking about an angel in the past but a prideful human king COMING 150 yrs in the future named Nebuchadnezzar.
Compare FALLEN TREES in Isaiah ch12/Daniel ch4. Like to hear your views!
Shalom!
---Legends on 7/30/10


Pardon Me!

Isa 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Shalom,

PEACE!
---Carla on 7/30/10


There is NO scripture that has the name Lucifer. No such name!
---JOhn on 7/29/10


Carla, everything was cursed. Animals like sheep and lions could be together without one eating the other before the fall. God judges us not by the fall of Lucifur but the fall of Adam. He was our representative. Lucifur had already fallen. If God wanted to keep Adam safe from the serpent, God could have put angels around Adam to protect him and Eve. He could have kept Lucifur out of the garden. God could have stopped the serpent and killed him but didn't.
Think about this, God was present when the serpent was speaking to Eve. He was hearing everything and could have interfered. He had to be, He is Omniscient, everywhere at one time. He was not in another part of the world, He heard everything and permitted it to happen.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


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MarkV,

How so? The serpent already existed it is not cursed Lucifer was. Imagine being a beautiful being then having to eat dust and crawl on your belly.

The original Serpents committed no sin to be cursed. A serpents a serpent, but satan was cursed to the ground, the lowest form for any being.
---Carla on 7/29/10


John, sorry to disagree with your meaning on what the Greek word "Nachash" means. That word refers to "a hissing creature" "a serpent. a snake (Gen. 3:1 Ex. 4:3, 7:15, 18:4). This is the most common word for a snake.
Now that everyone gave their opinions, I will give mine. It is assume by many who study Scripture that the only way that the curse in Gen. 3:14 could be possible is that snakes crawled but not on their belly. They crawled on the end of their tails. But now they were going to be crawling on their bellies. eating dust. Otherwise the curse would not be possible. Lucifur had manifested himself as a snake that brought the curse to the snakes.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


We Know that Lucifer was an angel in heaven before he was kicked out.

He cause the first woman to sin by disobedience to gods rules and because of this God said he would have to crawl on his belly as punishment, the only thing that crawl on their bellies resembling a serpent is a snake.
---Carla on 7/28/10


Jack B, Cherubim guard the tree of life with a flaming sword. And are also the angels on top of the mercy seat. A picture of them can be found in the classic movie called "Raiders of the Lost Ark", found at-
www dot conservapedia dot com forward-slash images forward-slash f forward-slash fa forward-slash RaidersArk dot jpg
And a picture of the Ark of the Covenant with cherubim detail is found at-
creationwiki dot org forward-slash pool forward-slash images forward-slash 3 forward-slash 3e forward-slash Ark underscore of underscore the underscore covenant underscore gold underscore cover dot jpg
---Eloy on 7/25/10


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Genesis 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Apparently this serpent wasnt a "snake" as we know it. If it had crawled on its belly already, then Gods curse was nothing new to it.

Anyone have any scripture that describe a Cherub and what they look like?
---JackB on 7/25/10


Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Too famous a verse to dismiss:He is a belly crawling, dirt eating whipper snapping snake...lol

That's why he can only bruise the heel of Christ's in return it's head (kingdom) shall Christ destroy.
---Carla on 7/25/10


\\In fact he was a Guardian of the Garden. A Seraphim level Angel who took advantage of his position at the Garden.

Note also how G-d removes his angelic beauty and make he below the dirt.
---JOHN on 7/23/10\\

I think you're reading more into the text than is there, John.

There's NOTHING that says that the serpent was the guardian of the garden. If there is, please give Book, Chapter, and Verse.

General Christian--and Jewish--theologoumena is that Adam and Eve were created AFTER the fall of Lucifer and his followers.

You seem to be saying that Lucifer's fall was simultaneous with that of humankind.
---Cluny on 7/24/10


The Serpent story is false!

The Hebrew text calls him NAHASH. Which means he was a very brilliant radiant angelic being of immense angelic beauty. Eve assumed he was an angel of G-d (which he was then) and did not really question his authority. Do you really think she would have been decieved by a snake???

In fact he was a Guardian of the Garden. A Seraphim level Angel who took advantage of his position at the Garden.

Note also how G-d removes his angelic beauty and make he below the dirt.
---JOHN on 7/23/10


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A great answer to this is found when God reestablishes His covenant with mankind(Adam) through Abraham.
Two Covenant activities:
1) Change Name
[Adam/wife had identity issues. Initially called her name "Woman" instead of Eve.]
2) Circumcise the HEAD of the male reproductive member.
[The characteristic of serpents is the characteristic of sin and fallen man... not angels. We humans have fleshly heads(thoughts) that need to be cut off and crushed. Our words(identifications, accusations) carry the poison of adders. We stealthily lie in wait. With serpentine seed(orally and biologically) humans create and reproduce vain, dead things.]
A talking snake was a perfect recompense/judgment for Adam's idle fleshly words.
---Legends on 7/23/10


I believe that Satan appeared as an actual serpent in the Garden of Eden in Genesis.
---Helen_5378 on 12/1/07


I believe that Satan is portrayed to be sly,cunning and deceptive. As snakes crawl on the ground hidden, my feeling is that Christians face darts and lies from everywhere. The serpent was a creature God made and in Genesis 3:1 we read, "The serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals that the Lord God made. It is a picture, to show how the World is false and denies God's Sovereignty and Majesty. We need to be Strong in Faith and follow the Lord's purity.
---rosem4839 on 5/8/07


I think Satan was metaphorically described as a serpent, because serpents or snakes are dangerous and deadly and slithery, and can insinuate themselves through small holes into the most secret and private places.
Just like Satan.
I doubt myself whether Satan ever actually appeared physically, but wormed (see again the slithery shape?) his way and temptations into Eve's heart.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 5/3/07


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He was a very beautiful covering cherub who made heavenly music. "In Eden the garden of God you have been; every precious stone your covering, the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the chrysolite, the onyx, and the jaspers, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold: The workmanship of your finger cymbals and of your pipes in you, in the day you were created, they were prepared." Ezekiel 28:13.
---Eloy on 12/4/06


There is nothing evil about snakes...snakes are beautiful...have you ever held one??...try touching a tame corn snake...he will lovingly wrap himself around you...peace...rachel...
---Reiter on 12/4/06


yes he was a snake, for when God punished Adam and Eve he also punished the serpent by saying, "And to you, I will remove your legs"
---brian on 12/3/06


I believe the serpent was the serpent. He was the head of the animal kingdom, almost human. He talked. We have taken him to be a snake. God changed him by His curse after the Garden. IF he had been a snake, how could there be so many offspring in human form (see the new testament scriptures). Generation of vipers. Of your father the devil. Of that wicked one. etc., etc. I assure you it was not an apple either. It was a pair.
---mikefl on 12/2/06


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The bible says, Satan came to Eve as a serpent. Snakes represent the enemy. And we all know that Satan is our biggest enemy.
---Rebecca_D on 12/2/06


That's an interesting perspective Alan.
---Pharisee on 12/1/06


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