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Why Do Christians Disagree

Why do so many christians do not agree on things written in the bible such as life after death, hell, the rapture, the antichrist, second coming of Christ etc. The arguments are not worth it. The bottom line is you either believe the bible or you don't right?

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There will always be disagreements because people have different levels of understanding. This is why there are different denominations. Not to say this is wrong. This is why we need preachers and teachers. And they sometimes,disagree. Jesus has said in His Word. He will set things straight when He comes back. So, in the meantime, we as christians should try to agree on the Word a much as possible, love one another and stay faithful on our journey. Only the one who endures to the end, will be saved. Lets endure and be strong soldiers of God. Leave the bickering alone.
---Robyn on 10/14/11


Because many who say they are Christians are not Christians.
---duke on 12/16/07


Right. Any true Christian should stick to the issues which is studying the word of God telling the truth and go on. So many people, I am hopeing,that it is only unbelievers, who do not really study the word of God, They only want to argue. Which is foolishness. God forbid if there are any true Christians who are dabbleing in this. If there are any, God help us all, man. No wonder that this world is so MESSY.
---catherine on 10/9/07


Absolutely Leanne...Your 100% right there. Some only go by what and how they want to believe and obey...Many choose to go by the Word of God. I choose to be obedient and go by His and His Word only Amen.
---lucy on 10/9/07


"We may tend to forget that we are in a spiritual battle,..."

That is certainly a fact. I noticed this morning that one who disagreed with me demonized me by referring to John 8:44 'you are of your father the devil...' But if my accuser had read the verse in context, he (who is a Sabbathterian) would have noticed that it was the Sabbath keepers of His time that Jesus leveled his accusation toward.

But God told us to turn the other check in such situations.
---lee1538 on 12/12/06




I agree Jackie. We may tend to forget that we are in a spiritual battle, and look at things only in the natural. Satan is th author of confusion, and only through Christ can we be unified, brought into one accord. It is not an intellectual agreement, brought about because someone "wins" a debate. We all have believed lies, whether intentional or not, but the promise is that the HS WILL lead us into all truth...only way agreement can happen.
---christina on 12/12/06


There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. This blogs only make it possible for others to express their believes and in answering we go right to Scripture and in the process we too learn more about God just looking for answers. It is good because it accomplishes many things for which the question was not intended for. God uses every mean to bring us closer to Him. To know Him, and study Him. It assures our faith more the more we read God's Word.
---lisa on 12/12/06


2. Emcee, I enjoy answering you because I feel like I already know you in person. I can almost see you speaking when you write. My answers to you are only about history and what I believe to be true about the Church of Christ spoken of in Scripture. Again thanks for been kind every time you answer. Peace to you and your family
---lisa on 12/12/06


Basically because of personal or private belief's that make scripture's fit into what they're comfortable with, rather than the other way around as the church [writers] 'birthed' on The Day Of Pentecost did from The Tenach & Holy Spirit, including Rabbi Shaul/Apostle Paul.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 12/12/06


Emcee: the so-called 'saints' from the RCC lost their lives in vain. They did not lose their lives for Jesus, but for the RCC. They were dedicated to the Roman Catholic Church much like the Muslims are dedicate to their religion. It was their religion that they died for not for Jesus' sake.
---Steveng on 12/11/06




well personally I think that all churchs should make it mandatory for all members to memorize John 17's prayer of the Lord for the church, so that God is glorified and that man's opinions die.
---Cheri on 12/11/06


Well, i think that people must discuss the interperitations of the bible, and discuss the current thigns that are going on
one thing i hear people argue about a whole bunch
is the charismatic church people and basically the non-charismatic church people

heres one thing that needs to be established
there some in both that are corrupt and false and there are some in both that are going strong for Jesus
---mark on 12/11/06


I believe that the reason that people choose to disagree on things written in the Holy Scriptures is because they dont want to accept God word as truth. When we find people that chose to walk contrary to the Word of God, we must pray for them and never have a critical eye about them. There are things that we have all disagreed with and after God opened our eyes we understood it more clearly. The challenge is; never forget and always pray.
---Dorcas on 12/11/06


I think it is good that we can disagree on such things it shows that God loves our indivuality. In a "real family" people disagree, take different stands yet still love each other. The main thing is most Christians, diff. sects, denominations agree on the strong, main points.
---Jeanne on 12/11/06


Christians are human and this is why we disagree. All that matters is this, is Jesus your Lord and Savior, and this is how we live according to what we believe. Arguments with the Word should be dropped, for His Word explicitly tells us not to.
---joan4689 on 12/11/06


If only it was that easy. There are several religions in which alot of them have thier own version of (thier) bible, not the Only true Bible which is Gods word. Satan loves to have christians disagree. That is part of his plan. If he can cause confusion & strife between christians he think that he is winning the war. We need to all stick with the Only Bible that matters & that's Gods word not mans.
---Jackie on 12/11/06


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Emcee; 1.What took place in History is a report card.

2.The numbers in the RCC are supposed to say something? Islam is the fastest growing religion in America today, what does that say?

3.In my eyes millions of Catholics are Godly people. Mother Theresa comes to mind. Today the RCC is a force for good, history is a tough taskmaster, it implicates protestants as less than Christlike as well.
---MikeM on 12/11/06


God sends rain upon the just and unjust.

Jesus is God's Love. A believer in Jesus doesn't substitute the Law for the Love of Jesus Christ.
---Raine on 12/11/06


Mike::"Theres many a slip between the cup & the lip"You are free to make your own deductions,by choice. You use the same Bible to guide,but also drop some teachings which are not favourable.But that is your choice again.What took place in History should not be used as a Yard stick,for present times. The numbers in the RCC speak for its self.In your eyes we are all bad,The hatred that existed then still shows now; do you know what it is in Jesus eyes?
---Emcee on 12/11/06


Lisa::Thank you for the response.There are good & bad on both banks of the spiritual river of Jesus.It is strange that those who gave their lifes for Jesus are all recognised in the Recognised in the Rcc even to this day but are called idols by the opposition they gave their lives for Jesus & he said "those who lose their life for my sake, will save it, & those who save their lives will lose it".Surely jesus people did not kill their own people By their fruits you shall know them.Peace.
---Emcee on 12/11/06


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There are some very good answers here, and I am sure they have been helpful. I don't necessarily think that diversity is a bad thing. God wants us to be comformed to the image of His Son. Rather than focusing on the differences, notice how many denominations think alike. Just a few thoughts. ella
---ella on 12/11/06


Jesus tells us that God rewards the good and punishes the wicked.

What is demanded of us, is everything.

Any human or fleshy attempts to live precisely, is a legalistic understanding of the will of God.

Jesus' teaching of Love rises above all conflicting requirements of the Law.
---Raine on 12/11/06


God has given us our individualism, race, language, and experiences. Diversity does not mean there will be unity.

Yes, the bottom line is our belief in Jesus Christ.

Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
John was a forerunner, a pointer to Jesus.
John shared the message with Jesus, we must 'repent' from our erring ways to God.
Jesus' disciples were called by Him to share his teaching and healing ministry.
---Raine on 12/11/06


The emphasis of Jesus' teaching is the Kingdom of God.
The presence of the Kingdom, the future of the Kingdom, and the coming of the Kingdom.

The Kingdom of God has drawn near. Repent and believe in the gospel.

In the Lord's Prayer, we pray for the Kingdom to come.

Jesus speaks of the coming day of Judgment.
Jesus' call for repentance and conversion is a warning of judgment.
---Raine on 12/11/06


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Many Christians disagree because they are not grounded in scripture and do not let the Holy Spirit lead in teaching.
---Ron on 12/11/06


emcee; "Christs church was doing fine until the reformation?" Pogroms, 'holy' wars, witch burnings,torture, inqusitions, book burnings, people burnings, dark ages, Bibles chained to the pulpits to keep the laity ignorant, Pope ordered mass killings of native peoples, etc etc etc? "By their fruits ye shall know them." Yes, this is past- protestants have a dark past but history is the RCC still has the 1# for evil of any religion, including islam, it cant be denied.
---MikeM on 12/11/06


Thank you Emcee, for your answer. I don't really expect any other answer from you since I know what you will say. And no, it didn't start with the beginning of protestants, it begin from the beginning of the RCC. It has not stop since. History proves that from the beginning, in the early days after Constantine, the church, was content to take advantage of the PAX ROMANA. a common language and system of law. The church no longer had to fear persecution. It was the Jews and "unbelievers"
---lisa on 12/10/06


2. who were now under threat. They were the ones who would be tortured, burned and crucified in the name of Jesus the Crucified Jew. So you are wrong in that answer too. You said people have forgotten, I don't think they have. That is why so many left the RCC. Yes, there is many misguided in other denominations, for no one denomination is perfect. While man is alive they will do what their desires are and not God's as it was done in the RCC. Not one is save from abuse, or false teachings.
---lisa on 12/10/06


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3. But what is pure is the body of Christ. The spiritual church of the Lord. It will be pure before Him. That Church has only true believers, and Christ is the head of the church. That is the church Christ was talking about, not the RCC as you others teach. Christ is the head of the body, the Church, not Peter, Paul, or Mary. But Christ Himself. That is the true church. Not my opinion but Scriptures. Thanks again Emcee for your kind words. Peace to you.
---lisa on 12/10/06


Lisa::Why is it that people forget the most rudimentary teachings.This is not about church saints its, Following Right From Geneses where it all started.Disobedience & is continueing Satan is not sitting on his laurels.You talk about others who are misguided by the CC what about those misguided byThe denominations who have no start or finish in Christ who is accountable for that.God knows each ones heart. His saying I live in him who lives in Me will not go unnoticedThe love of Jesus is being apostated.
---Emcee on 12/10/06


Lisa ::Christs church was doing fine up until the renaisance the start of Protestantism.This is practically extinct & new denominations have developed. Satan influences man with worldly pleasures, we have a new demom, filled with the HS supposedly; poor HS His name & satans Game.No dear lady the saints who have achieved Jesus' Heaven must be followed by example Because as sure as they attained heaven we must also The Mother of Jesus is a glowing example She beckons Look to my son not counterfeits of Him
---Emcee on 12/10/06


There are two reasons Christians disagree. One, the accumulated worldly knowledge they gained in their lives and, two, they pick and choose only the verses THEY only want to hear and side with the majority of Christians. They study the Bible the way kids study at school, by memorizing verses. They don't have time to sit down at the park, relax, drop their adult inhibitions and ponder or meditate on the thoughts behind the verses, allowing the Holy Spirit to understanding.
---Steveng on 12/10/06


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Emcee, it is history that records it. While I know you might not change, maybe others that read this blogs will question what they have been taught and find the Truth. You either go back to Genesis 3 or Matthew 16, and in both you are wrong. But its for you to find out, not me. All I can do is direct you to the truth. Its up to you to search for it. We cannot change anyone, only God can.
---lisa on 12/10/06


2. Emcee, I am genuine, and try to be as truthful as I can. I have a lot of respect for you as a person and I do love you. If I didn't I would not respond to you just to make noise. I believe that in your age you should find the truth. I think you are doing a good job just answering others because in the process you will hear more truth from others and it will give you something to think about. It is not you that is in question, its what you have believed for so long. I am talking many years.
---lisa on 12/10/06


3. While some of the idea's can pass for ignorance the one's on worshipping saints cannot. Those passages in Scripture are clear. Christ deserves our worship. Any idol worship is against God. Many of the idea's through tradition can pass the test of time but idol worship cannot. That is completely a No, No. The Mother Church R.C. has been corrupt for many years and sure many will pay for their crimes, but many people were trusting in them. How about them? What happens to them Emcee?
---lisa on 12/10/06


4. Do they just ignore the Bible and trust in a saint or Mary or some pope? To prove that your church is the church of Christ, you would have to clean the place up pretty much from all the corruption and you cannot do that because it happened and its history. Nothing can change what they have done. Not one thing. All you can do is learn for yourself and see to it that you don't worship idols. If you refuse to stop, it is not because you were not warned, it is because you refuse to turn.
---lisa on 12/10/06


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5. I have read every answer you have given and you sound to me like a well liked guy and a great person, but been sincere does not make us right. I might sound like a broken record to you but it is because I love you. Not because of any other reason. Peace be with you Emcee.
---lisa on 12/10/06


Lisa:3.I honour you with this third para because you appear genuine.Your disagreement is not with the C/church,which maintains the same unchangeable doctrine which is belief in God.If you were born with God as your anchor, you would not need to be duped into being born again away from Him & His teachings.Satan weaves a crafty & appealing pattern.
---Emcee on 12/10/06


Lisa:1.You read made your assesment,Butis what you read the whole truth?Result the deduction may be partially faulty.Men in Power had the ability to twist the truth which became history.The Catholic Church is an ancient institution.Jesus had a betrayer in His time. But His church Mat16;17-19 still stands.He came to fulfill His Fathers law & bring man back to God Genesis.WHY?Humanity is full of flawed people.But the doctrine is true Not Flawed.These men in this office will be accountable NOT the Doctrine.
---Emcee on 12/10/06


Lisa::2.Martin Luther was a pawn in a big game of influential people.The yokels of those times had no voice because they were dependant on their lords.the cause of the reformation was two fold Based on Hatred.1Acceptance of Pagan Rome.& the existing situation of christendom in England & Europe.Luther was wise enough to realise his soul was more important& so believed in the power of the virgin Mary who he held in esteem,while carrying out his assignment at the risk of losing his head as was the practice.
---Emcee on 12/10/06


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Emcee - *Lee:Beliefs learnt by those (old people) who hold fast to their tradations are because they have been proven to be true*

Proven to be true? Give us a break!

History often has looked upon some as being victims of conservativism entrenched in their traditions, much like we see in the Old Catholic church which refuses to acknowledge that some of their doctrine and practices are faulty.

It takes a new style management to move forward.
---lee1538 on 12/10/06


Leanne, The problem is in the intrepretation man has put on it. Another problem is in the level of growth each believer has.(1)verse, (like an onion)has deeper and deeper meanings as we grow. I can read a verse now that I read when I first got saved,and it has so much more light because of other scriptures I find to compliment and bring deeper meaning.
Many people rely on men's works that they write. Some of those men are not even saved. Baby Christians may not know the difference or have discernment.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/06


Emcee, you are a kind person when you answer. All I did was question your beliefs in the universal church. It was a great day when people like Luther stood up for the rights of Scripture. The church was making a mockery of the rights they had over people that didn't know or even had the scriptures themselves to check whether what the church taught was correct or not. At the time the church was growing rick on indulgences.
---lisa on 12/10/06


2. Many clerics gain immunity from civil courts. The Roman Chancery published a book with precise sums to be paid for various absolutions. The deacon guilty of murder could be absolved for twenty crowns. A bishop or abbot who had assassinated a foe could be absolved for three hundred liveres. The wickest crime had it price-tag. The people were exempt from civil magistrated who tried to stop them were excommunicated, which meant he lost all rights as a citizen and a man.
---lisa on 12/10/06


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3. Martin Luther saw no justification for the papal abuses. It made him furious to see the Pope's ministers selling off indulgences at knockdown prices, even using them as gambling-counters in inns and taverns. When Pope Leo was short of funds for the new St. Peter's he made a deal with Albert of Honenzollern. He would give Albert the see of Mainz and allow him, contrary to canon law, to keep his other two dioceses, for ten thousand ducats.
---lisa on 12/10/06


4. That is why I disagree with your universal church. Because of the abuses they did, which were not of God at all. Luther gave everyone the ability to read a bible. To bring out Scripture to all. They made it possible for others to read the Word of God without having the church interpret what they wanted just to satisfy their own thirst. So No Emcee, that is not the church that Christ was talking about. The Church is the body of Christ consisting of born again believers.
---lisa on 12/10/06


5. You are a men of convictions and you are a kind men, but I believe in my heart that you believe what you do for a reason also. The Holy Spirit didn't tell me this as others would say, history told me this. All I did was go back to the history of the church, and use my own abilities to read to know this is true.
---lisa on 12/10/06


Lee:Beliefs learnt by those (old people) who hold fast to their tradations are because they have been proven to be true.Young whipper snappers,who learn from those old people,usually prosper, unless they are renegades,in which case their folly catches up with them.One of the ploys they use is to change the subject.
---Emcee on 12/9/06


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LEE:"elderly people are the least likely to change their beliefs"
From Genesis there have been 2 Factions Those of God Jesus with followings of Him vide Mat16;17-19 RCC: the rest are those who are opposed Vide Gen3;15 his seed (Satan)not Her seed who is Jesus. This is the ENMITY you are seeing & the slurs being being dispensed.
---Emcee on 12/9/06


*...elderly people are the least likely to want to change any of their beliefs*

And we often see some organizations start to move forward when the older leadership dies off. I expect that as time goes on, those old hardshelled King James Only type people will fade away and those churches will then start to move forward in the way the Lord would have them.
---lee1538 on 12/9/06


THANK YOU LEE I turn the other cheek.Dogs are known to be mans best friend.But are men?
---Emcee on 12/8/06


I have often thought of this same question about our many disagreements and I came across the scripture in Gen. 11 God said "the people is one, and they have one language and this they begin to do and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they imagined to do". So what would happen now if we were one?
---tim on 12/8/06


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Emcee - *As an old man & a father I only speak what I profess to know, ...*

And like the proverbial saying that you cannot teach old dogs new tricks, elderly people are the least likely to want to change any of their beliefs - beliefs that they were taught to cherish and not question for decades.
---lee1538 on 12/8/06


Bruce ::It is awfully kind of you for recognising me.I guess it is because some are fully convinced,it IS the HS.It is better to agree to disagree,without saying it,but at the same time employing the comandment love one another.As a member of the UNIVERSAL church of JESUS
called RCC, this is what is asked of us & I try to make the endeavour,it makes less enemies, & still doing God's endeavour of seed planting.
---Emcee on 12/8/06


PART ONE:
Emcee,
You know, we do not agree on many things but I appreciate the way you present your views.

What I do not understand is how it is that a few here feel they have to bully everyone else with their "I only say what the Holy Spirit wants me to say" or "The Holy Spirit reveals things to me" (empahsis on "me")attitudes.
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


PART TWO:
How it is they feel they have a monolopy on the leading of the Holy Spirit I'll never understand.

It seems to me that if one had such a monolopy they would not feel so compelled to shove it in everyone elses face all the time.
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


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Lisa::If I sound, like I am preaching it is because I stand up for my Convictions.As an old man & a father I only speak what I profess to know, what IMHO is the truth,if you can give me a reason,as to why so many denominations were created & by who & for what reason you may arrive at the same conclusion, based on the scriptures I provided.This is a universal teaching,we either Follow all all all JESUS TEACHINGS OR WE ARE GUILTY OF BEING AGAINST Him.He is God WE accept Him not the other way around.
---Emcee on 12/7/06


Emcee, you did say a few things that are wrong. First you want to promote that those who don't belong to the Catholic church are lost and divided because they don't belong to it. Second, you say that Satan knows that everyone will eventually choose Christ. That is not true either. Many will go to hell. The third thing you forgot are don't understand is that Satan is not divine or Omniscience, Only a being that is infinite and eternal is capable of knowing everything. Satan is not Omnipresence.
---lisa on 12/7/06


2. He (Satan) cannot be in every place at all times as God, so he is limited in where he can be. For sure he has many angels helping him but what you are doing is giving him more credit then he deserves. So your intention for answering was wrong to began with. Genesis 3 speaks about the emnity between the lost and God and has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. You can believe that, but it is not true as fact.
---lisa on 12/7/06


I rather doubt that we can blame the devil every time Christians have disagreements as we read Paul disagreed with Peter, Paul disagreed with Barnabas, and even at the Jerusalem council, there were those that refused to accept the decree of the church that Gentiles needed to follow the Mosaic law. I believe disagreements are from us - our own conception of what things should be.
---lee1538 on 12/6/06


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You are preaching "Catholicism" Emcee. You are trying to recruit. You should recruit them to Christ. Teach them the gospel, then you won't fail.
---lisa on 12/6/06


Leanne ::Why do they disagree?because Satan has made it so using Choice as his tool.he knows that every one will eventually Choose Jesus as God; but in the meantime he creates confusion & dissention which he created in Denominations snatching as many souls he possibly can.This prophecy is in Genesis 3;15 this enmity, we see in the form of disagreement.We need to "Follow Him" as mentioned in this verse & also Mat16;17-19His church.
---Emcee on 12/6/06


Lisa,
Thank you. Sorry about the mix up in the numbering on the posts.

The first and second PART ONEs are misnumbered but in the right order of thought (top one first then the lower one).
---Bruce5656 on 12/6/06


If you ask me, today's Christians spend less time reading the Bible. Many choose to turn to cable TV, radio or their Sunday pulpit pastors as their primary authority. Theology has become a hand-me-down oral belief system that, like gossip, morphs as it passes from one ear to the next. Everyone thinks they are right because they learned their beliefs. We need to open our minds to the real truth which can be found in the Word of God. We all need to learn the theology firsthand, not from someone else.
---tofurabby on 12/6/06


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Oh Bruce, thank you so much for that great explanation on Jesus. You have put it down great. How I wish that Eloy, and some others would just stop to think of what they are saying and look within God's Word for revelation. I love Eloy and I know God has something to do with all this. Bless you brother Bruce.
---lisa on 12/6/06


PART TWO:
As the resurrected, glorified Jesus he materialized and de-materialized. Even if you could prove he materialized and de-materialized in his pre glorified state, that would be no different a miracle than when Philip was caught away in Acts 8:39-40. The fact that Jesus walked on water was a miracle indeed but no different that any other miracle he preformed. It is irrelevant in this context.
---Bruce5656 on 12/6/06


PART ONE:
eloy, Indeed, think about it, 2000 years ago God became flesh. Human flesh, limited in time and space to being in one place at one time. The physical "Jesus" did not exist in eternity. The Word (one of the triune Eternal Spirit of God) existed in eternity and became flesh. and his name was called Jesus. Matt 1:21 John1:1,2
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/06


PART ONE:
NOTE: I did not say that the Word is not eternal; I said the physical body the Word prepared for himself did not exist in eternity. He is now in the eternal form of a glorified body as we will someday be. I John 3:2
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/06


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PART THREE:
It was in eternity that The Word was ordained to come to earth as a flesh and blood man (Jesus) who would be The Christ and be sacrificed for the sin of humanity I Peter 1:20 (We also were chosen before the foundation of the world but that does not mean we existed in eternity. Eph 1:4)
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/06


PART FOUR:

John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God."

Jesus, son of Mary, is the body that the Word, the eternal spirit (Heb 9:14) prepared for himself to be human,
Hebrews 10:5 "a body hast thou prepared me"

Your argument is not with me. Jesus is the one who stated God is a spirit and told us that a does not have flesh and bones.
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/06


Jesus definately stated that he is God, when doubting Thomas thought that he was a spirit Jesus told him to reach forward his hand and touch him, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, yet Jesus professed to be God, walked on top of water, dematerialized and rematerialed. Therefore God is proven to be flesh and blood even as Jesus is proven to come in the flesh, and who denies this but antiChrist.
---Eloy on 12/4/06


Why do Christians disagree? Because there are many that believe that since they live moral or ethical lives and go to church ocassionally, they must be Christians.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
---lee1538 on 12/4/06


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Bruce, your answer was so right. I believe the division comes because many are really not saved at all. When I speak to someone in person that wants to talk about God, the first thing I ask before I start is, "Do you believe that Scripture is the true inspired Word of God?" If they say there is contradictions, and errors, that itself shows me that you cannot speak on behalf of God because you will need Scripture to make your point. Then it becomes an ungoldy argument.
---lisa on 12/4/06


.bruce, man was made after God's image, and the woman was made to be man's helpermate and to bear him company.
---Eloy on 12/3/06


.bruce, Both testaments also state that God is flesh and bones, because Jesus is God. Thus, Christmas every December 25th. "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulder: and his name will be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us." Isaiah 9"6; John 1:1,14.
---Eloy on 12/3/06


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