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Why Are Preachers Unsaved

Why are there so many unsaved preachers?

Moderator - Many are not called of God and the seminaries that many attend the professors aren't saved either.

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Because they are scribes indoctronated with the the ways of the world. They have not accepted the message according to the gospel.
---duke on 12/16/07


Alan of UK, you have your blogs confused.
---Auntie_Em on 6/11/07


Amos ... I can't see that you have helped to identify those here who have multiple blogging personalities, which are gue against each other.
---alan_of_UK on 6/11/07


Alan, you identify them by God's Word.
Have you read the last verse of the Old Testament?
Malachi 4:5,6
Behold, I send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.
---Amos on 6/11/07


Right now, we are threatened from without and being eaten alive from within.
Never has the Gospel of Jesus Christ looked so right. Nothing works like the Gospel on the walking dead. The message of Jesus is the quintessential solution to our land.
What are we doing with this golden opportunity. When preachers/pastors/clergy should be stepping up to the thunder - we see bankrupt motivational speeches in the house of self help.
---Amos on 6/11/07




Preachers are watering down the cure to keep pace with dying movements. Moses was a hard act to follow. Joshua was a slave and son of a slave. He stepped up to the plate.

There is great anxiety in the church of the view, oprah, ellen, tyra and all of the others.
We have many preachers and yes, many are not called. I guess they can start a life coach program or talk show.
---Amos on 6/11/07


Frank, please forgive me I just now read one of your posts back in Jan. 27, 2007. And thank you. God bless. PS>> Man have I grown some sinse January. Still got aways to go.++
---catherine on 6/11/07


The almighty dollar$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
---Cheryle on 6/11/07


Are there? How do you identify them?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 6/11/07


Frank, I assure you, I cannot get out of the bed in the mornings without Jesus'S HELP. I KNOW WHERE I came from. May God always bless you greatly.
---CATHERINE on 1/27/07




When you take a "calling" and turn it into a "career" with man's schooling and degrees on something that no man can master you are bound to set the stage for heresy. But Paul wrote that it is needful for heresies to exist that those who are approved might be made manifest.
Frank
---Frank on 1/27/07


Psalms 125:5 For such as turn aside unto crooked paths the Lord shall bring them forth with workers of iniquity.

Catherine; if you are sure the Lord honoured your heart's desire to follow Him don't feel bad if you may have left a nest of heresy, false doctrine or synagouge of satan.
Frank
---Frank on 1/27/07


I am proof that God is alive and well, and get this--I - SERVE A GOD THAT TALKS. tHUS SAITH the Lord,"these people speak, of their own imaginations, they lie and they receive no messages from me. They speak of peace, when their is none. Is that in the bible, I don't know?
---CATHERINE on 1/27/07


Whether preachers, teachers or whoever... There are many who believed they knew God but felt/feel empty as they were operating on their own power instead of God's. No matter who you are and/or what you do... including ministry there is only one way to God and that is by accepting Jesus Christ your personal Lord and Savior, recognizing Him as Lord and the Messiah. Knowing He was sacrificed that you may live and be His. HE is yours and you are His... It is the greatest love story of all time...
---Brenda on 1/26/07


"Even here I see a lot of false doctrine being taught. That does not mean those who teach false doctrines are lost, but unlearned in the word of God."
---Rev_Herb on 1/14/07
Yes Herb, "a lot of false doctrine being taught", and that would start with putting a "rev" in front of your name. We are called out of that hierarchical system of title and rank and position. Blessings of love and peace to you.
---jhonny on 1/26/07


**I assure you GOD HAS HIS reasons, and HE does not make mistakes. WE must obey GOD, WHEN HE speaks to us face to face.**

The issue is really whether it was God Who took you out, or spoke with you face to face.
---Jack on 1/26/07


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Yes, Catherine, God is still passing out the gifts today.

He makes all the decisions.

For the Lord God is a sun and shield;
The Lord will give grace and glory;
No good thing will He withhold
From those who walk uprightly.
Psalm 84:11

Arise, shine;
For your light has come!
And the glory of the Lord is risen
upon you.
Then you shall see and become radiant,
And your heart shall swell with joy;
Because the abundance of the sea shall
be turned to you.
---Merne on 1/26/07


Catherine, I stand corrected. After reading all of your answers, I see the wisdom.

God works in mysterious ways.

Son of man, can these bones live?
O Lord God, You know.

Surely I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live.

Then you shall know that I am the Lord.

I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, I will place you in your own land.

Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it, says the Lord.
---Merne on 1/26/07


You made it our business. This is public record for the entire world. No secrets here. Your answers are now in an endless cache of records that goes on as long as the internet goes on.
---Charlie on 1/16/07


I never will understand why so many people are fussing about God taking me out of the churches. AS if it's any of your business. I assure you GOD HAS HIS reasons, and HE does not make mistakes. WE must obey GOD, WHEN HE speaks to us face to face.
---CATHERINE on 1/15/07


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I wonder whether the SELF-APPOINTED JUDGES are listening for God's word
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/15/07


They are spiritly blind just like i was until the Lord showed me the truth i belive the Lord is calling them to repenace and they belive he is calling them to preach
---betty on 1/15/07


TO all unsaved preachers==JESUS wants to know, HOW CAN YOU PREACH ME, WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW ME?
---CATHERINE on 1/15/07


No one can fervently share with another, what they themselves do not possess. If I was an unsaved preacher, I would not be able to persuade anyone else to accept salvation, if I myself were an unbeliever nor knew in what I was preaching. When the unsaved lead the unsaved, both will fall into the ditch.
---Eloy on 1/15/07


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It is so important for the Christian to study the Holy Bible for themselves in order to know the truth and distinguish the truth from error. Else, the unlearned would believe every wind of doctrine spouted from the pulpits, whether they be true or false. I believed some lies that preachers commonly tell, but after I received the Holy Ghost and "studied" the Holy Scriptures for myself I came to see the light from the darkness; and now I abide in the light, and expose the darkness with grace.
---Eloy on 1/15/07


Even when people honestly believe they are saved but aren't,and they follow Christian morals,ways, and Preach the Word of God,their witness is a Christian type witness. The Bible says the Word of God will not return void,if that preacher is preaching from the Bible, the Word of God, that Word will produce fruit.If they aren't preaching the Word or walking a Christian path then the Deacons or Board of the church need to dismiss them. Our job is to pray for all the lost with compassion.
---Darlene_1 on 1/14/07


I am beginning to wonder if very many people out there really cares about how GOD feels about everybody preaching in which HE has not saved, let along called to preach. WELL, I care. I hate it because GOD hates it. READ in the old test. IN THERE, GOD tells you just how HE feels about it. HE HATES all of it. fake prophets yes. fake preachers yes. PRAISE GOD, I am going to help HIM.
---CATHERINE on 1/14/07


It is not in my place to judge but many preachers bear the fruit of being unsaved. One should live for preaching and not preach for a living when truly called and ordained of God. Selling "gifts" under the guise of love offerings and telling people what they want to hear instead of the truth is listed as the deceivers that shall not enter the kingdom of God. Both deceived and deceiver have no place in heaven.
Frank
---Frank on 1/14/07


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Every soul is important to God. Christians are all called to preach the Gospel for it is written to go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark16:15-18, Acts 1:8, Acts6:2-7, Eph4:11-2, ICorinth2:1-16. For the harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Whether you are young in the spirit or old, the Holy Spirit will guide you.

God will then chose among all Christians to do certain tasks.
---Steveng on 1/14/07


In todays high tech (multi-media) world preaching can be/is a very lucurative business for unscrupulous persons who have a gift of gab & ability to mesmerize people out of their money . (2 Pt. 2:1-3)

I agree with the moderator & Madison 1101. If they aren't saved & called of God to preach, why else would they want to? Well, the Bible is clear on the subject. (2 Pt. 2:1-3)
---Leon on 1/14/07


WELL, I just got back home from serving GOD. this church is dead, dead. NO power at all in the preaching. BUT you know what, I could not find nothing amiss in the message. HE had all the right words, at least as far as I could tell. I took notes.
---CATHERINE on 1/14/07


Catherine, Many who do not know the truth in the "Holy" Bible will be led away into perdition. How many times have we received an untruth from someone, only to find out later that we were misinformed. Liars are a dime a dozen, and none of them are Christian, but I think it would be a gigantic task to try to clean up the whole land. What thoughts do you have for correcting this problem, legal actions or law suits? fines? penalties? or praying for them? and confront each one and get them saved?
---Eloy on 1/14/07


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Catherine, Christ ordains the men whom he chooses to be leaders, but man "so-called" ordains leaders whom God himself never ordained. Only Jesus does the true ordaining, thus man can never ordain another man as Jesus does the ordaining himself. Therefore we have a surfeit of churches filled with unsaved flesh, where the blind are leading the blind, and both will fall into the ditch. Please read I Samuel 16:7; Hosea 8:4; Mark 3:14; John 15:16; 20:21-23; II Timothy 3:5,8,9; 4:3-5; Jude 16-19.
---Eloy on 1/14/07


.I have been chosen by GOD to help HIM put a stop to unsaved preachers, preaching.

REALLY??

Have you talked to your pastor about this?
---Observer on 1/14/07


**
ALL that I really know is this.GOD hates anyone preaching, that HE has not chosen. they are stealing from GOD. HIS money and HIS glory.ONE final note-GOD is choosey as to whom HE puts in the ministry. **

And you don't believe Catherine, just ASK her and she'll tell you herself just how choosey God is. Just look for the Catherine seal of approval.
---Jack on 1/14/07


** I have been chosen by GOD to help HIM put a stop to unsaved preachers, preaching. ARE you interested?**

No, I'm not.

According to God's word, women are NOT supposed to exercise authority over men in the church, which you claim to be divinely appointed to do.

Who do I believe: you or the Bible?
---Jack on 1/14/07


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** I have been chosen by GOD to help HIM put a stop to unsaved preachers, preaching. ARE you interested?**

God told me to tell you He didn't do any such thing, and you've been listening to an impostor.

So there!
---Jack on 1/14/07


I don't know any unsaved preachers. If there are any, how would you know without judging? It is God who knows the heart and man judges from the outside.
---john on 1/14/07


AT LEAST PAUL was saved. I do not feel qualified to preach but I am saved in which I am still amazed at. THOSE least feel themselves qualified, somehow GOD SEEMS TO think that you are.
---CATHERINE on 1/14/07


AT LEAST PAUL was saved. I do not feel qualified to preach but I am saved in which I am still amazed at. THOSE least feel themselves qualified, somehow GOD SEEMS TO think that you are.
---CATHERINE on 1/14/07


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We are living in the end times and what better way to lead people astray that for the devil to have his own preacher behind the pulpit? Even here I see a lot of false doctrine being taught. That does not mean those who teach false doctrines are lost, but unlearned in the word of God.
---Rev_Herb on 1/14/07


Catherine ... Will God identify the offenders to YOU, so YOU can force them out of the ministry?
Or will you just decide YOUrself those who are not doing the job in the way YOU think it should be done.
Are YOU sure of YOUr mission? How did God appoint YOU?
Does God really need YOUr help?
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/14/07


Jared, I agree we cannot judge the hearts as that is Gods job, but we ARE to have discernment...if a preacher preaches what goes against the Word we should NOT sit under his teaching/preaching.
---Christina on 1/14/07


I don't think you're big enough to wear God's shoes. That would be the job of the Holy Spirit.

I have no idea what your plans are, but God is more than able to remove someone who's harming the sheep.
---Charlie on 1/14/07


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ALL that I really know is this.GOD hates anyone preaching, that HE has not chosen. they are stealing from GOD. HIS money and HIS glory.ONE final note-GOD is choosey as to whom HE puts in the ministry.
---CATHERINE on 1/13/07


Catherine, elaborate some more.
---Eloy on 1/13/07


Catherine,
What do you have in mind? Just how do you propose to do that?
---BRUCE5656 on 1/13/07


We are all called to become teachers in one way or another. Each one of us is trained to teach, but few are chosen to lead a flock. Once chosen, your are to set an example. Are the Godly people from the Bible more holier than you or me? Didn't they make mistakes? Tell me a name of a Godly person who did not make a mistake? Even Jesus himself made three mistakes (where his human side prevailed?), didn't he? (hints: disobeyed parents, overturned tables, and cursed a fig tree)
---Steveng on 1/13/07


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I can not judge whether or not someone is saved, but I can say I have seen ministries that bear no fruit because the pastor is clearly not doing what the Lord has called him to do.
---lynet on 1/13/07


I have been chosen by GOD to help HIM put a stop to unsaved preachers, preaching. ARE you interested?
---CATHERINE on 1/13/07


Many are called but few are chosen. In the last days many will turned away from their faith. Many will be lovers of self.That include you, me, preachers, and workers. We never can say who will be saved. Unless we run the raise and faithful to finish it.
---ana8864 on 12/8/06


but do you know their hearts? we as humans can't judge as God can. and we shouldn't try.
---Jared on 12/7/06


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Jared...We are not speaking of all pastors. We are talking about pastors who have called themselves instead of God calling them and they are not saved. I do know what it takes to be a pastor (called of God) as I am married to one. He not only talks the talk, he walks the walk!
---Susie on 12/7/06


Susie, "How do you get around the "born again" phrase in Third Chapter of John?" So true, you don't get around it if you wish to know the truth/Jesus. We can't just pick and choose what scripture to believe.
---Christina on 12/7/06


Also, the term Christianity is a blanket term for so many varied beliefs, many unbiblical, but because Jesus is a "part" of it these belief systems, they fall under the term. For instance, I know some who call themselves christian because they believe Jesus Christ existed and was a great teacher, even a prophet, but deny His deity. Having a FORM of religion but denying the power of...so it follows that many preachers are unsaved
---Christina on 12/7/06


I also know many "born again" people that don't show fruit of the spirit? so just saying one is born again is that enough? or what. you see we can't really judge. Only God can. and I am too human to do that. Get off the backs of pastors they have a very difficult job. Many people in congregations can say what they want about preachers but until they know exaclty what it takes stop talking.
---Jared on 12/6/06


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Pastors are lifted up to a point they have to be "perfect" but we are human we make mistakes and when we do suddenly everyone is talking about our salvation. that's not your job it's God's.
---Jared on 12/6/06


Amen Christina! You said it! Preachers/pastors teaching false doctrine. Can't possibly be saved if they don't know the salvation message! How do you get around the "born again" phrase in Third Chapter of John?
---Susie on 12/6/06


We should not be judging and do not know someones heart as the Lord does, butGod often gives spiritual discernment. Not to condemn, but for the believers good, perhaps to lead them to another church. When I was 1st saved i went to several churches, met with pastors individually. Some believed you could be saved various ways,or did not believe in being born again...I did not want to be in a dead church. The Lord led me to the first truly born again church I'd ever attended.what a difference! Life giving!
---Christina on 12/5/06


Oh no we dont have to generalize this statement. I think some preachers. I was talking to a preacher the other day and he was talking 'bout his friend who is in the fourth year in the bible school. what amaze him was that his friend cried out and said "I thought I know God" but its only now I receive Jesus christ as his Lord and saviour. He said a real relationship, which he was seeking in his entire life.
---ana8864 on 12/4/06


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These words from the moderators statement,"Many are not called of God" is the answer to this question.
---mima on 12/4/06


** I think most pastors are saved at least they start out that way but like so many they are bedazzled with the things of world and and follow another path**

So you're saying that someone can lose his salvation? That you don't believe in once saved always saved?
---Jack on 12/4/06


I think most pastors are saved at least they start out that way but like so many they are bedazzled with the things of world and and follow another path. Read Pilgrims Progress a very good book by John Bunyon or foxes book of Martyrs.
---Jeanne on 12/4/06


Seems to me that St. Paul commended himself to the prayers of others, "lest having preached salvation, I should myself become disqualified."
---Jack on 12/4/06


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There may be many "unsaved preachers" in the world but how many are really preachers? I think it may be that many professional speakers are in the wrong job. I think worldly versions of Godly education are held at too high a place. A degree never has meant spirituality, it means head knowledge. Remember Peter was a fisherman.
---mikefl on 12/4/06


why are we judging the salvation of someone? doesn't God only know the condition of their hearts. Pastors are people just like everyone else. they make mistakes. But we can't say they are saved or unsaved. we can only look at their actions and say if they are in line with scripture. if they are then that's great if they arent' then there needs to be disiplinary measures taken. But we can't judege their salvation.
---Jared on 12/4/06


Surely there are Christians who realize that the Holy Spirit gives discernment to know when certain people are saved or not. Although we cannot always know a person's status with the Lord, we can certainly judge when a pastor is not right with the Lord if his preaching is not scriptural or his treatment of his family or church members does not line up to the word of God. Don't any of you discern when another person's "spirit" does not line up with your "spirit"?
---Susie on 12/4/06


I love R.A.'s answer. It's so true. Ministers of the gospel start a church because THEY want to, not because GOD sent them or anointed them to do so. I believe you can tell a preacher is unsaved by their fruit, and if they have the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT working within them. I went to a memorial service where a Priest did the sermon and he was soooo boring, so dead, and wasn't even making sense in what he said.
---Donna9759 on 12/4/06


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R.A. Ha ha, I like that...some just went.
---Eloy on 12/3/06


Unless a person tells you they are not saved is judging whether a person is saved or not our business? Have you got a special gift to be able to judge that?
---john on 12/3/06


Some are 'sent', and some just 'went'.
---R.A. on 12/3/06


Salvation is not a requirement for some church's preachers. Salvation is also not a requirement for attendance at some colleges or seminaries that prepare preachers.
---Madison1101 on 12/3/06


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