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Adam And Eve Both In The Garden

Was Adam with Eve in the garden of life when she picked the apple from the tree? Or did she take it to him?

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(2) (they have NO knowledge of at all) to be a certain way. And attempting to use what is NOT said to arrive at some conclusion is called 'arguing from silence'. There are ways to use it correctly, but such arguments should rarely be given the same weight as what has been said!
---danie9374 on 10/27/07


And the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" - ... So God drove out man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life." Gen 3:22-24
---Pat on 1/18/07


There were no apples in paradise, there were "fruits of the spirit" less one tree. The tree of knowledge of good and evil and thus the fall from the Garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve's separation from God. The bible is a book that teaches Adam and Eve and their offspring how to get back to that reunion with God.
---Pat on 1/15/07


It sounds like Adam was standing there the entire time watching the entire scene. Perhaps he threw his mate to Satan for monetary gain? Fruit is definetly a tangible item? Or maybe there was marital conflict in the garden??? Men are always leaving women for younger more attractive women. It does state that Cain was of the wicked one in 1 John.
---anonymous on 1/13/07


Danie, I first and foremost follow the Bible. I have and do read or listen to David Jeremiah, Oral Roberts, William Branham, Woodrow Kroll, and others. I do not proclaim to be UPC nor Branhamite nor RCC nor any other denomination or doctrine. I refuse to close my mind or heart to anything out there that can help understand God's word. I do know if we live in a closet we deny scriptural instruction. I believe if Jesus is anything less than total God, His resurrection was not a miracle. see 2
---mikefl on 1/12/07




2) Only God heals. If a "father" resurrected Jesus there wasn't a loss of life requiring a miracle. I believe in a lineage of God's people, it's throughout scripture. And yes only God's line has eternal life. It's not our place to know who. Only God knows (spelled predestination). We all have choices yet ordination to be redeemed is the answer. Some questions can't be answered "yes" or "no". Some have to be quickened in the heart, it's called revelation of God's word.
---mikefl on 1/12/07


What does thorns, thistles and herbs symbolize in the Bible? Herbs can very well symbolize drugs etc...But what is thorns and thistles?
---anonymous on 1/11/07


-1- mikefl: First, I've recently noticed some of your posts which I'd def. agree with! ;-) Such as one directed to 'earl'; so at least you have some difference from his beliefs. I've also TRIED in my posts to separate what you've for sure stated from what you MIGHT believe, but without knowing all your beliefs, it's hard at times. Is it true that you do NOT believe in the Triune nature of God?! Would you care to share with us what, if any, church or person you do or would associate with? [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/11/07


-2- Do you or your church listen to William Branham? Do you attend a UPC church? Your last reply, though 'sounding' good, still hasn't answered my question: Do you believe the fact that someone who's descended from Cain prevents God from saving them?
---danie9374 on 1/11/07


CLARIFICATION: When I said in my post '[2]' below: "...has NOTHING to do with your 'good' or 'bad' genes, Mike! Obviously, I can't know that, I'm not God, but for the sake of your soul Mike...", the thing 'I can't know' is whether anyone else is truly SAVED! We can observe actions and note decalarations of other's beliefs, but unless you're that person's spouse (and even then!) few will ever KNOW as fact; even though you may hear someone say, 'oh, I'm sure (he or she) is a Believer!'
---danie9374 on 1/10/07




danie, I find it also appalling how you refuse to see the many scriptures in front of you. You add words like "race" to my entries. You then claim my understandings are "heresy" because you can't comprehend as I do. Gal.4:5-6 says we were redeemed. (Bought BACK). Mat.25:32-34 Jesus will separate His "sheep from the goats". Eph.1:4 Jesus chose us "before the foundation of the world". I don't tell you how you should believe or condemn you to hell for it.
---mikefl on 1/9/07


Daniel, with a fine tooth comb, I went over every one of your answers. One item really stuck out, 'how like Satan to reintroduce this old lie'. I'm not sure if Mormons believe this with some of their earlier, unpolitically correct theories on the races. I knew it was impossible, but I prayed. Did more study, it has always been a lie. Thanks for your complete answers, and all the time it took for you.
---Michael on 1/8/07


It's not possible that Satan could cross the line. Only Eve's mind was deceived. God would not have allowed that.
---Michael on 1/8/07


Angels are created beings, neither male nor female and they cannot reproduce.
---Michael on 1/8/07


mikefl.In reading the first 3 chapters of Gen. I don't now how any one could ask the question if they ate the fruit or not. It says it so clearly and often that there is no other way of taking it. The NT. supports it also.
Prov. 20:30 just emphasizes that an adulteress considers what she does just the same as eating.
The Bible doesn't say Adam only knew his wife once in his life. And in no way reports Cain and Able were twins.
---john on 1/8/07


[1] mikefl: Yes, of course, only those whom are capable of responding to the Gospel by the work of the Spirit will be saved, BUT Mike, your belief in some separate race of people that makes it IMPOSSIBLE for them to believe purely due to their genetics; even if God's Spirit entered their hearts, is most DEFINITELY NOT SCRIPTURAL! Your refusal to deal with VERY CLEAR Bible passages as to where SIN comes from; i.e., how Adam's disobedience affected EVERY human being (Romans 5:12, etc.), [cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/8/07


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[2] makes me wonder if you truly know the grace of God and salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone; it has NOTHING to do with your 'good' or 'bad' genes, Mike! Obviously, I can't know that, I'm not God, but for the sake of your soul Mike, I pray you're not trusting in the slightest bit that some part of your body made it possible for YOU to be saved and not someone else who may have Cain as an anscestor! That's a denial of God's GRACE then Mike. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/8/07


[3] In effect, this 'serpent seed' belief says YOU 'deserve' to be saved more than someone else!!! That's why it is heresy; foisted upon Christian churches only last century, because satan knew he couldn't convince anyone earlier in history of this idea. IF God really has saved you Mike, we pray the Spirit will show you the Truth.
---danie9374 on 1/8/07


[3] In effect, this serpent seed belief says YOU 'deserve' to be saved more than someone else! That's why it is heresy; foisted upon Christian churches only last century, because satan knew he couldn't convince anyone earlier in history of this idea. IF God really has saved you Mike, we pray the Spirit will show you the Truth.
---danie9374 on 1/8/07


As to some of mikefl's other comments: There are some Christians who don't beleive the 'nAchAsh'(# 05175) must be a 'serpent' as we know them today; it has no real bearing on the heresy Mike accepts, except for those like him, because the 'serpent' MUST BE SOMETHING THAT can PROCREATE with Eve! His ref. to Prov.30:20 is merely a coincidental occurance of similar words, and would be laughable if the subject weren't so serious!
---danie9374 on 1/8/07


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mikefl said: "Adam 'knew' Eve once. Eve had 2 babies" Well duh, Mike, your very own belief says they were TWINS; there's your ANSWER to that question: Some Christians do believe they were twins, BUT DEF. have not fallen into accepting the 'serpent idea'! I happen to believe (as most do), the "Again, she gave birth..." phrase in Gen. 4:2 implies 'having realations AGAIN' with Adam first: Since that was just said in the previous verse, it didn't need to be written again!
---danie9374 on 1/8/07


"I say only God's children will ask to be saved"

Mike, a child of God is one who has already asked to be saved.
---Kay on 1/7/07


Mike, I have heard what you are talking about. Where did that originate from. That the snake (Satan) beguiled and violated Adam and Eve, and that's how they knew they were naked. Violation, by causing them to disobey God, I don't know to what extent. Where did that version come from, anyone?
---Michael on 1/8/07


To clear the matter up, was the violation to the mind only. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil - was the tree the knowledge of procreation? Cain was evil because of his parents rebellion? Thanks for your help.
---Michael on 1/8/07


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Points to ponder. If my take on "beguiled" is allegory why can't serpents still talk today? That wasn't cursed. Was eating a fruit literal? Read Prov.30:20. Adam "knew" Eve once. Eve had 2 babies. Only Eve said Cain was from the LORD. Why wasn't Cain in Adam's lineage? Why do people think the serpent in the garden was a "snake" as we know them? Ez.28:13. Research on the NET shows many sides to a subject. Why do some people read the one they "like" and quit?
---mikefl on 1/7/07


Danie, God's word says many times & ways that His people know His voice. examples are: Many called but few chosen. "..My people...your people". "..wheat..tares". "..brute beasts made to..". "..of your father the devil". Seems straight forward to me. You asked if anyone who asked to be saved would be? I say only God's children will ask to be saved. Through the mark on Cain, no one can be sure who is of whom. Those who don't want Him will refuse belief in Him.
---mikefl on 1/7/07


M.P.A., I am a Christian. I believe God's Word. My blogs here ARE from it, my entries have the verses noted. If one wants to see just open YOUR Bible & your heart. If not, don't. I doubt anyone reading is here to harm God's people. My wish is to share things revealed to me in study, prayer, & fellowship . If ANYthing I share helps those in the Word then it is good. If it only makes people think & study that is good. Call me heretic or blasphemer or cultist, as you wish. I follow Jesus Christ. Amen
---mikefl on 1/7/07


Daniel, I agree with you. It's difficult to describe with our human limitations. It's too awesome for words.

(I appreciate that you are not Calvin's man, but God's child).
---Joel on 1/7/07


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"Kay, thanks... unfortunately, none of the resources I could find tell where / who the dictionaries come from. You have the "Updated" one, right?"

Danie, no I don't have the updated one. Mine is old as dirt, well, not really. :)
---Kay on 1/7/07


Mike, Genesis does not teach "man was a spirit male and female." No where does Genesis say that mans spirit was created on day 6 and then his body on day 7. The 7th day was the day that God had rested from creating. His work was COMPLETE. Which Bible are you using?
---Kay on 1/7/07


Mike, Eve wasn't living within Adams body prior to her body being created. Can you imagine having someone elses (other than God's) spirit living within you?
---Kay on 1/7/07


Mikefl, are you saying that Eve lost her virginity to Satan?
---Kay on 1/5/07 Some cults do actually teach this and it does sound as if Mikefl might be saying this also. I really hope that Mikefl is not a member of one of them.
---m.p.a. on 1/7/07


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//1// mikefl: Stating a view as allegorical interpretation when that's exactly what it is, is not 'name calling'; and when that view is diametrically opposed to very clear statements of Scripture, what should we call it? BUT let's get back to the Scriptures:
Do you believe ALL men and women (including anyone possibly descended from Cain) could be saved by grace through faith (as Abraham was in God's promises; future salvation, in Messiah or now called Jesus)?
---danie9374 on 1/6/07


//2// 1 John 2:2 states: "And He [Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Calvinists limit 'whole world' to the elect (I don't), but they do provide some Scripture to back it up. What Scripture excludes people due to their genetics?! Where are any races (or genes) excluded from the 'whosoever' of both John 3:16 and Romans 10:13? [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/6/07


//3// No, there's never been a 'separate breed of sinners' apart from Adam, for "through ONE MAN [Adam in v.14] sin entered into the world" (Romans 5:12); not through TWO men! Scripture classifies all humans as 'lost in sin' or 'saved through faith in God'; no 3rd group ('impossible for God to save') has ever existed!
Mike: If none of this is similar to what you think you've posted, please share what you do believe. Would Cain have been saved, if he repented and believed in God?
---danie9374 on 1/6/07


mikefl: I'm not 'hiding' behind ANY words of men! I've only rarely used 'trinity' because all it means is 3 (and could be 3 gods); whereas "Triunity" (which I use) means 3 in 1. When someone honestly asks me how 3 'persons' (as they know that word) can be ONE, I tell them: 'Person' is only a shadow of the reality we're trying to express; I'll often use 'personal distinctions' instead, attempting to help others see what Scripture has truly revealed to us about God as Father, Son and Spirit.
---danie9374 on 1/6/07


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Kay, thanks... unfortunately, none of the resources I could find tell where / who the dictionaries come from. You have the "Updated" one, right? Anyway, this is one of the things I wanted to message about rather than taking up space on the blog; the other being links which we can't fill our posts with, except for occasionally good general info you can search for.
---danie9374 on 1/6/07


tonne on 1/04, Read when God created Adam Gen.1:26-27, He called him male & female. God created man in His image (God is a spirit). Man was a spirit male & female. That was the 6th day. Then note on the 7th day God FORMED a body for Adam (still M/F). Then woman was taken from Adam's body and named. Also Read Gen.5:1-2. Those 1st chapters are worth really reading and studying...
---mikefl on 1/5/07


danie, I refuse to lower myself to name calling as you. I have shown scriptures through the Bible where this comes from. You can call it heresy, allegory, lies, abuse, or whatever. Just as you believe in 3 gods but hide behind a word NOT in scripture. Search trinity on the net. 3 persons IS 3 gods. My God is One. As for serpent seed, it's scripture. Lineage is paramount through the Bible. GENESis is the 1st Book. Scientists desperately seek that "lost link" to man. It's called serpent.
---mikefl on 1/6/07


Danie, I use Strong's exhaustive concordance ISBN # 0-529-07235-1
---Kay on 1/5/07


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^1a^ I've tried twice to get this FIRST part of my 8-part posting to go through! So let's try again; but with some editing:

I've attempted to find the earliest record of what we'll call the 'serpent seed doctrine' (as proposed by 'mikefl' below), but it appears to be only relatively recent (around 1900+); thus the reason you won't find much specifically written against it either. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/5/07


^1b^ This view twists Scripture in ways I doubt any early heretic would have attempted; which may be why few beleive in it unless it fits with, and can be added to, their own views (such as the 'Christian Identity' groups listed below have done).

Hopefully, none here will mind too much and be able to assemble all these disarrayed posts together! ;-)
---danie9374 on 1/5/07


Kay, could you please message me here at CN? Username: danie9374; if you haven't already, you'd have to 'join up' to do so. I could supply you with many links on various subjects such as were discussing here.
---danie9374 on 1/5/07


\1\ Kay and mikefl: First, Kay, can you post exactly which Strong's concordance you use (include ISBN# if possible)? OK, as she said, there are some which do list 'seduce' under a moral heading (not '= to'), but as I had already pointed out (and Kay added here), that does not make the meaning the same as we often use it for today! CONTEXT is where we find meaning for a word Mike, and your view is only possible by arbitrarily turning this passage into an allegory on sex; [cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/5/07


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\2\ not by allowing the passage's words to have their usual sense of meaning. So when you think about it that way, you could assign almost any meaning you want (since you're interpreting it allegorically) to any of the words used here! I'll stick with the literal sense though Mike, since all the Hebrew prophets, and later Jesus Himself viewed Genesis as literal history; not allegory.
---danie9374 on 1/5/07


I just looked in my Strong's concordance and it has more definitions than the Strong's online concordance, which I used to look up the Hebrew for "beguiled". My Strong's has these definitions for "beguiled": to lead astray,(mentally) to delude,or (morally) to seduce,deceive.

But "to seduce" doesn't always refer to sexual seduction. Eve was seduced to disobey God, which is morally wrong. Seduce-(1)tempt or induce to commit a wrong;(2)induce to perform a sexual act.
---Kay on 1/5/07


Mikefl, are you saying that Eve lost her virginity to Satan?
---Kay on 1/5/07


Mikefl, the word "beguiled" as used in Genesis 3:13 doesn't mean what you said, "morally = seduced".

"beguiled me"- Genesis 3:13-
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
05377 nasha' {naw-shaw'}
1) to beguile, deceive
1a) (Niphal) to be beguiled
1b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
1c) (Qal) utterly (infinitif)
---Kay on 1/5/07


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^7^ and Obd.1:3,7. It's NEVER used the way Mike claims, and even if the English word 'seduced' ever appeared in some version, it would have the meaning: 'their mind was seduced' (NOT their body, as Mike wants you to believe). I'll stop here with an important verse that relates directly to this passage: 2 Corinthians 11:3 "But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ."
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


^8^ I spent most of my day studying this subject, since I love the Body of Christ I've done what I can to warn others from "being led astray"; as Eve was! Satan's children are NOT of some perverse physical seed, but are rather the false teachers throughout history who have deceived many into accepting lies about God and His words!
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


^6^ Mike: "The woman said the serpent beguiled (STRONG'S# 5377 morally = seduced) me". Where did you get those words in red? They're NOT in any concordance or Hebrew Lexicon I've seen! I suspect you added them yourself; poss. from some English dictionary. This Hebrew word 'nAshA' (Gen.3:13, 'beguiled' in KJV; 'deceived' in most others) is also used in 2Ki.18:29; 19:10; 2Chr.32:15; Is.19:13 ('deluded' NAU); 36:14; 37:10; Jer.4:10; 29:8; 37:9; 49:16 [cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


^4^ Does anyone know if United Pentecostal Churches teach this? It was introduced by Bill Branham to 'Oneness' Pentecostals. But his other claims (he was Elijah returned in the flesh!) most likely shrank his appeal to most of them; esp. when he said ONLY those who accepted everything he said were of the 'Godly seed'! Anyway, this 'seed doctrine' seems to have only arisen around end 1800's or 1900, and was later greatly spread by both racists (early 50's and onward) and Branhamites. Well, enough history!
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


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^5^ Is there any Biblical support for what 'mikefl' posted? Well, ONLY if you accept ALLEGORY as being equal or superior to reading the Bible as God intended (which is literally, wherever CONTEXT allows), plus if it leads to smoething totally ridiculous, you also get to pick and choose on your own, rather than allowing God's words to stand equally! Mike sees the events in Gen.3 as allegory; turns the whole 'tree' and 'fruit' passage into ideas of SEX. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


^2^ As I posted below, it denies sin in mankind is due to Adam's disobedience, and thus was adopted by various 'Christian Identity' groups (most being racists; i.e., Cain, Ham, all Blacks and even Jews are physically of the serpent; and sub-human!). Those without racial bias accept this as the REASON some will always be 'lost': They have the 'bad-seed genes' if you will! Those who are saved by God simply have Adam as their anscestor instead of the serpent!; or, [cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


^3^ perhaps some who accept that 'tone it down a bit' to saying: You can 'potentially be saved' by Jesus, only if that's true of you; so still preach the Gospel (to those who are not of serpent, Cain, etc.). Moon's Unification Church (very heretical), picked up on this and says all atheists are children of the serpent, and in an ironic twist of this false doctrine, some Black men (one of whom claims to be God himself!) calls all white men serpent's seed. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


mikelf: It only states that he told Adam not to eat from the tree of good and evil, even if Eve was in his body as you claim then God should have stated Adam and Eve. It does not state that he told Adam and Eve.
---tonne on 1/4/07


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1John 3:12 states that Cain slew his brother Able because Abels offering to God was better than what Cain offered
---tonne on 1/4/07


[1] To ALL: Concerning mikefl's post! I may say more later, but don't want to be silent now, so here's a brief comment: This is heresy! It denies what Scripture says on the origin of sin for the human race! Romans 5:12 says: "through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin," yet if mike's UN-Biblical view is correct, Cain was not a sinner because of Adam's sin, but because he was literally a physical child of the devil!
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


[2] The two views are obviously not compatible! Whom will you believe? Mike or the Apostle Paul's letter to the Romans (which is 'God-breathed' Scripture)? I'm not at all sure where Mike first got his idea from, but one recent (as human history is concerned!) false prophet who spewed forth this heresy was William Branham; who had all sorts of evil inspired lies about God come into his mind: First off, he denied the Triunity of God, saying demons came up with that! Gotta sleep now...
---danie9374 on 1/4/07


mikefl, are you saying that before God created Eve, she was literally living within Adam's body?

Genesis 5:1-2 does not teach that the spirits of Adam and Eve shared Adam's body. The word "Adam" in verse 2 means "mankind". It is not used as a proper name.
---Kay on 1/3/07


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Mike you write before God took her spirit from Adam. Where does the bible say that God took her spirit from Adam. It says He took one of Adams ribs and Adam himself says in Gen 2:23 "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." Where do you find in scripture that (whilst Eve was still a rib inside Adam's body) she had a - contd
---m.p.a. on 1/4/07


2. - consciousness and could understand what God was saying to Adam and that it applied to her also? This seems a classic case of adding to scripture which is a huge NO NO. We know that Eve knew they were not to eat the fruit because she told the serpent that herself but we cannot possibly know whether it was Adam that told her or God, but her knowing (whilst she was still a rib) seems preposterous.
---m.p.a. on 1/4/07


tonne, if you read when God told Adam about the "fruit of the tree", Eve was still a part of him in spirit form. They were man and woman but in one being. She knew because he knew. Adam and Eve were truly "one" before God took her spirit from Adam see Gen 5:1-2. Note the scripture says also they were "one flesh", after God formed Adam a body He took a part of it to make Eve. It's all there in the scripture to read.
---mikefl on 1/3/07


"How come it does not state in Genesis that Adam or God told the woman about the apple? It only states that the serpent tricked her?"

tonne, obviously one of them told her because she told the serpent in Genesis 3:3 "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, GOD HATH SAID, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."
So Eve definitely knew God's will concerning the forbidden fruit.
---Kay on 1/3/07


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Tonne: Pray to God for wisdom! Ask Him to show you what His words mean; then perhaps read through all my posts here to you once again. Lisa did a long post also trying to explain this to you. As I've already said, Scripture does not reveal every single fact to us; it's not a DETAILED account of every event in history! God made sure to reveal to us all that really matters as far as salvation though! I pray everyone will first seek to KNOW Him and His grace before ever wondering about what's NOT revealed.
---danie9374 on 1/3/07


How come it does not state in Genesis that Adam or God told the woman about the apple? It only states that the serpent tricked her?
---tonne on 1/3/07


danni3374 1 John 3:12. I thought it was Timothy but it is 1 John.
---tonne on 1/3/07


dani9374 1 John 3:12 states that Cain was of the wicked one. Sorry for saying Timothy.
---tonne on 1/3/07


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(Cont'd 1) pleasant to the eyes & desirable. She then shared with her husband. vs7 they KNEW that they were naked and covered themselves! (what does eating a fruit have to do with covering their sexual areas? vs8-10 God looked for them. Adam answered he was naked and had hidden. vs11-13 Adam told God the woman gave him of the tree. The woman said the serpent beguiled (STRONG'S #5377 morally = seduced) me and I did (Cont'd 2)
---mikefl on 1/3/07


(Cd 3) eat (2Cor.11:2-3 lost virginity). Vs14-15 the serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly, enmity between his SEED (child-Cain) and the woman's SEED (child-Abel)(see 4:25). vs16 the woman was cursed in CONCEPTION and CHILD bearing! Vs17 Adam was cursed in burdens of working. Vs20 Eve was rightly mother of all living. Vs24 "man" was removed from the garden. Ch4:1 Adam KNEW Eve, she had Cain. c'd
---mikefl on 1/3/07


(c'd 4) 4:2 She again (STRONGS #3254 continued to) bare a son, Abel. Vs2-8 Cain had fruit of ground offering, not acceptable, Abel had animal (blood sacrifice) offering. Abel's accepted, Cains rejected. Cain killed Abel (see vs. 4:25). The sin was in the blood. Cain knew it. Ch.5:vs1-3 recap of above; God created man in His image, male and female called ADAM when they were created. Adam begat A son in HIS likeness (c'd)
---mikefl on 1/3/07


(c'd 5) named Seth. Ez.28:13-14 what the serpent looked like in the Garden. Gen6:1 Cain's offspring vs2 Seth's offspring mixed with Cain's. vs4 results of seed mixed. Gn.10:22 Cain's seed came through the flood in Ham (follow his lineage). Mat.13:18-50 Good seed vs. bad seed Seth's vs. serpent. (vs19 & vs38 & 49 =wicked one). Ch15:13 serpent seed. Ch23:33, serpents. Jn.8:44 father is devil, murderer from the beginning, father of lies. Acts.2:17-18 Shows 2 (c'd)
---mikefl on 1/3/07


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(C'd 7) 2 distinct lines of people. God's & other. Ch13:10 child of devil. Rom.9:6-8 God seed, serpent seed. 2Cor.11:2-3 wife should be virgin to husband but Eve wasn't. Gal.3:16 & 29 God's seed. Heb.11:4 Abel gave a more fitting sacrifice.2Pet.2:9-14 God knows how to separate godly from ungodly brute beasts. 2Jn.3:8-12 devil sinned from beginning. Children of God and Children of devil. Cain was of THE wicked one... "Study to show thyself approved..." End.
---mikefl on 1/3/07


Others claim it is wrong, I can only defer to the Bible. Forgive me this is the longest blog I will make. Gn.1:27 man was created male & female in spirit form (image of God Jn.4:24). Gn.2:7 God gave man a body & soul . Gn.2:21-25 woman was taken out of man. vs25 they were naked and not ashamed! Gen.3:2-3 woman as first preacher misspoke God's word. vs4 serpent changed it. vs6 the woman found the fruit to be (Cont'd 1)
---mikefl on 1/3/07


(1) It seems we can't emphasize ENOUGH that: Scripture is NOT a compilation of court transcripts or audio recordings! NO ONE, such as oneia8375, has any right whatsoever to say God did NOT 'explain in the fullest' some command (or anything else) to any person mentioned in Scripture (Eve in this case), just because the totality of those discussions are never recorded (or only mentioned briefly) for us! Unfortunatley, far too many people INCORRECTLY assume things [cont.]
---danie9374 on 12/31/06


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