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True Sabbath Of The Bible

1. What is the true Sabbath of the Bible.
2. Who change the True Sabbath of the Bible.
3. Is the Rapture Biblical?
4. Where is Jesus right now in heaven?
5. Where are the dead right now?

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Justification is not a gift but a doctrine that 'unjust sinners are made right in the sight of a just & holy God' as the righteousness of Christ is counted toward the believers account.

What Geoff means is the believer has some responsibility to obey Christ but he points to OT laws that are not applicable to the church - things that "have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting selfmade religion and asceticism ... but are no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh." Col. 2:23
---lee1538 on 12/14/07


Gordon - *It is NOT a Seventh-Day Adventist issue, nor an Orthodox Jewish issue. It is a "what-does-the-HOLY BIBLE-say?" issue*

True but as Christians are under the New Covenant (the Old Covenant declared obsolete Hebrews 8:13), where does one read that Christians need observe the Sabbath?

We read in Romans 14:5-6 that the observance of any day is optional; in Colossians not to judge others on the observance of a Sabbath.

Did God's Spirit fail to guide the early church?
---lee on 4/24/07


The true Sabbath is the 7th day of the week (Saturday) that was Sanctified as a Holy REST day of the LORD (YAHUVEH) when He RESTED from His 6 days of creation. Followers of GOD (YAHUVEH) and of JESUS (YAHUSHUA) are to ALSO observe the 7th Day as a day of rest UNTO the LORD. Every week. It is NOT a Seventh-Day Adventist issue, nor an Orthodox Jewish issue. It is a "what-does-the-HOLY BIBLE-say?" issue! JESUS is at the Right Hand of GOD the Father in Heaven. The HIGHEST position in the universe!
---Gordon on 4/24/07


Geoff - *Lee1538, on 12/27/06 you asked me to give you NT injunction to keep the Sabbath.You didn't like Heb 4:11 nor the examples of Jesus, Paul & others-Lk 4:16, Acts 17:2, 18:4.*

For a very good explanation of Hebr. 4 see what Sheila posted on tread Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

Suggest also you find a good commentary on Hebrews as your clearly do not understand that epistle.
---lee on 4/24/07


Lee "Isaiah 66 is really a portrayal of what would have been for Israel if they had accepted Jesus as their Messiah.

The section could not have been a future prophecy as it mentions the restoration of the Levitical priesthood". // Revelation 5:10 "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth". Priest has a new meaning obviously in the new earth for those who have accepted Christ as their Saviour.
---Gina on 4/24/07




Geoff - *Tell me something, how do you explain Isaiah 66:22-23?*

Isaiah 66 is really a portrayal of what would have been for Israel if they had accepted Jesus as their Messiah.

The section could not have been a future prophecy as it mentions the restoration of the Levitical priesthood - a sacrificing priesthood whose ministration foreshadowed Christ and His ministry.



---lee on 4/23/07


Isaiah 66:22-23 "The new heaven and earth that I am about to make will continue in my presence," declares the LORD. "So your descendants and your name will also continue in my presence. From one month to the next and from one week to the next all people will come to worship me," declares the LORD.

There is no good reason to not translate 'from sabbath to sabbath' as 'from week to week' meaning continually.
---lee on 4/23/07


I believe that Isaiah 66 could also allude to the prophecy that Jerusalem will eventually be the center of worship in the Millenium reign. But whether the weekly Sabbath style worship will be restored is vague and doubtful if it pertains to the church of today.
---lee on 4/23/07


Lee1538, on 12/27/06 you asked me to give you NT injunction to keep the Sabbath.

You didn't like Heb 4:11 nor the examples of Jesus, Paul & others-Lk 4:16, Acts 17:2, 18:4.

Tell me something, how do you explain Isaiah 66:22-23? Kay & I agree this points to a future time where Sabbath keeping is still observed. What say you?
---Geoff on 1/16/07


Romans 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

So sorry but I often find myself pitying those that are in the trap of legalism, believing that they can obtain perfection and merit heaven by fleshy efforts.
---lee on 1/11/07




Lee: You think brother, I have thought and studied the bible, not Ellen White and stop dictating to us and making all on this site think u r right. You are full of EGW it is so ridiculous..havent you any thing better to blog instead of insults. Get the truth brother, and preach it. Be like the humble sdas with brains .
---janas on 1/11/07


jana - *We SDAs say we are the remnant becos we believe what our bible tells us and we go by it firmly..the bible alone...*

You are obviously misguided in that statement as anyone can read Article #18 of the Fund Beliefs of the 7th Day Adventists which says the writings of Ellen White are authoritative. Thus the bible alone is not the exclusive or ultimate guide for the Adventist church.

THINK!
---lee on 1/10/07


One characteristic of cults is that they often claim a special annointing from God; that they alone have the most truth; that others are apostate; that they should follow a human leader; that they are the so-called remnant. A red flag should go up immediately when such claims are being made.
---lee1538 on 1/10/07


In the NT (Romans 9:25-33) Paul quotes from Hosea & Isaiah to demonstrate that the saving of a remnant from among the Jewish people was still part of the Lord's method of redeeming His people. There would always be a future for anyone among the covenant people who turn to the Lord for salvation.
---lee on 1/4/07


We SDAs say we are the remnant becos we believe what our bible tells us and we go by it firmly..the bible alone...why are any on this blog ashame to say they are? do you not believe what you have learned of God? or are you so ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ that you just bludgeon us for being brave and shout it at the top of our voices??? DO YOU BELIEVE????
---jana on 1/4/07


*There are many denomination's in the Christian world today, and fault can be found in ALL of those denominations,...*

That is one reason I like a simple statement of belief found in some churches.

As to faults, it is best to let the Lord judge His church.
---lee on 1/1/07


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(1.)There are many denomination's in the Christian world today, and fault can be found in ALL of those denominations, some fault "not unto death", and other's "unto death". The Bottom line is that a person must be born-new , and walk in the Spirit(which includes godly faith and godly obedience) This cant be done using ones own power...
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/31/06


(2.)....but by the power of the Holy Spirit, that's what the Bible says. A person can reject that power, and reject God's Grace, Why? Because of FREE CHOICE. It's whosoever will, let him come(Revelation 22:17), Jesus said. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/31/06


(3.) Baptist, holiness, Pentecostals, Catholics, Adventists, etc. need to stop straining at gnats and get to the "heart of the problem" in the Christian World today which are those "faults unto death", TIME is of the essence, and the most crucial issues must be first priority. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/31/06


I would be highly suspicious of a religion that claims they are the remnant of God; that they are the ones that truly follows God; that all others are apostate; one that preaches that certain laws must be obeyed for those that are saved; that has other sources of authority on the same shelf with the Bible.


---lee1538 on 12/31/06


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John "The rest of us have chosen the Jesus way to be perfected" The religion of John is one that teaches disobedience to 1 of the commanments of God (4th) is necessary, otherwise you are not being perfected by Jesus. Let me repeat, his religion teaches DISOBEDIENCE TO THE 4TH CC IS NECESSARY in order to be perfected in Jesus. "Whosoever therefore shall break 1 of these commandmetns, and shall TEACH MEN SO, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.." Mat5:19
---Gina on 12/31/06


Craige - can do nothing but agree with what you state but the apparently problem with our Adventists friends is simply that they have no understanding of Romans as they seek to be justified by obedience to laws.
---lee on 12/31/06


I would be highly suspicious of a religion that goes to great pains to avoid obedience to 1 of the Commandments of God,& teaches that disobedience to the 1 commandment(the 4th)is necessary for salvation; because that is what you are really teaching when you say if you are obedient you are frustrating the grace of God.Sorry,this religion,that teaches disobedience in such an eloquent way,is NOT from the God of heaven. Wise up! You will be knocking at heavens door& hear the words "I never knew you"
---Gina on 12/31/06


The only Sabbath breakers I see here are the ones who are following the letter of the law because they are not following it the exact way it was written. The rest of us have chosen the Jesus way to be perfected. In him we have everything. Our sacrifice, our rest(Sabbath), our perfection, and everything else that the law pointed to. It always pointed to Him and He has fulfilled the law.
---john on 12/30/06


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Toby - *Unfortunately some want to make scripture law-less*

Such a person is said to be antinomian - "one who denies the validity of moral laws." (see Webster').

This was one of the charges leveled against Paul by the early church Judaizers.Acts 21:21

What the difference of view is that the Adventists view the Sabbath commandment - a commandment not imposed on the church, as a moral law whereas it is not, as it violates what constitutes moral law.
---lee1538 on 12/30/06


Let me repeat myself- I do not condone sin, I've just realized that the only way to keep sin from having dominion over me is by faith in the finished work of Christ, which allows (legally allows) the Holy Spirit to work in me to bring about my constant sanctification. As for this foolish talk about having the power to keep the 10 commandments and living for God by rule and regulations instead of faith, Paul thought the same thing. He wrote of this experience in Rom.7 cont...
---craige on 12/30/06


Paul actually says that it was his trying to keep the law that frustrated the grace of God in his life and left him saying "OH wretched man that I am" This chapter actually shows that lawkeeping revives your sin nature and causes sin to have dominion over you. It shows up as. Paul says "I was alive (spiritually) WITHOUT the law once, but whenthe commandment came , sin (sin nature) revived and I died.(spiritually)
---craige on 12/30/06


He goes on to say "the commandment that was ordained to bring life, I FOUND TO BE UNTO DEATH" Yes, the law's holy and good- because it shows me that I cant keep it and declares me for what I am -a sinner.Thats why its impossible to live for God by law, because it can only point to guilt. Romans 7 is a personal story by Paul explaining what happens to a christian who says "Now that Im saved I can keep the commanmments" PLEASE READ ROM:7 and ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth.
---Craige on 12/30/06


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Jesus said he is the manna the true manna that came down from heaven which verifies he is the Sabbath.
---exzucuh on 12/30/06


Unfortunately some want to make scripture law-less.Rom7:12 the laws/commandments are
"set apart, just and good" V14 The LAW is SPIRITUAL. 2Cor4:17 spiritual = eternal. John17:17 his word is truth. Ps3:3 Bind the truth about our necks and write it on the table of our heart. Deut30:19 We are given a choice, to believe or not. He kept the same laws O/C as N/C as he is the same being and he never changes, unless he tells the change to us. We musn't seperate scripture and destroy it. John3:16 V36
---Toby on 12/30/06


Craigie: You bear false witness against me. I never calimed to be sinless, but rather that Jesus gives me the power to obey His 10 Commandments. However, I have the power of choice to accept or reject that power. Sometimes I chose for Him; sometimes against. If you say that you cannot help but sin, you make Satan more powerful than God. Is that where you stand? Is your god weaker than Satan?
---jerry6593 on 12/30/06


Just because "we all have fallen short and are all sinners" is no excuse to continue purposely in sin,&trample the Holy Sabbath hours underfoot,or,to be a liar. If I have lied, I ask for forgiveness. If I have broken the Sabbath,I ask for forgiveness. Then God's sees the perfection of His Son in me,& substitutes Christ's perfection for my inperfection.He substitutes Christ perfect Sabbath keeping for my Sabbath breaking. Those of you who break the Sabbath& do not ask for forgiveness, guess what?
---Gina on 12/29/06


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Gina 1-2 You are obviously not familiar with the book of Romans. When one becomes a Christian the Spirit of Christ indwells that person (Romans 8:9).

As for sin, it is something that the Spirit abhors and if one is not obedience particularly to moral law, there is a constant conflict.

Gal. 5:17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
---lee on 12/29/06


Gina 2-2 The Christian as a child of God comes under the discipline of God. Hebrews 12:7-11.

As for ceremonial laws (the Sabbath for instance) the Christian has "been released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit." Romans 7:6

So your argument that one that is a Christian who disobeys the OT Sabbath commandment, can simply go ahead and sin is totally faulty.
---lee on 12/29/06


Craige "You have failed the sabbath commandment many times since being saved, because youre relying on your performance and not Christs."/Says who? How would you know if that was or was not the case? How would you know my frame of mind? You are making an assumption, I believe, that all Sabbath keepers are doing so to be saved. This is not the case, atleast not for me. I obey God out of love for Him, because I am saved, not to be saved.
---Gina on 12/30/06


The true Sabbath is the one which was given at creation which is the 7th day of the week which is Saturday. The Sabbath existed well before the Jews. If you don't believe so, why was manna given after the crossing of the Red Sea? It was given as a reminder of the Sabbath already in existence which the Hebrew nation had lost sight of after years of subjection to the Egyptians. That's just one example.
---brett on 12/29/06


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Craig"Whats worse-me not keeping the saturday sabbath,or you not keeping it?"/Those who know to do good, and do it, not, to them it is sin. If you know Saturday is the Sabbath, and do not keep the day Holy, in obedience to the 4th Commandment, in obedience to God, then you are walking away from God, and become a sinner.
---Gina on 12/29/06


This arguement could be used against any other C, as an excuse to sin, but see through it: How horrible to say, we are all just sinners,Christ did it all, so I am just going to go ahead & sin,& kill people,commit adultery,be a liar,& be a Sabbath breaker. There is no justification for sin. Read Rev 22:15 &Rev21:8 Liars,Adulterers etc are outside Holy City, & if you break the Sabbath, you break them all, so you ARE adulterers, liars etc by not observing the Sabbath
---Gina on 12/29/06


Some SDAs really worship a Jesus that promotes that "ministry of death, carved in letters on stone,... the glory, which was being brought to an end,..., the ministry of condemnation." (2 Cor. 3:7,9); while those that truly belong to the Lord subscribe to that "ministry of the Spirit [that has] even more glory ...the ministry of righteousness [that]far exceed it in glory." 2 Cor. 3:8,9

And children of Hagar like SDAs under the law, condemn those born of the Spirit.(Gal. 4:29)
---lee on 12/29/06


Jerry- You do indeed have religeon, I'll give you that. But, I have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. How did that relationship happen? It was by faith in his finished work at Calvary. Do you honestly expect me to believe that youve not sinned since you got saved? do you really? You have not kept the commandments. "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" except jerry! Think about what you have said.
---craige on 12/29/06


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Jerry-Any sin I commit, Jesus is not a partaker of it. He's the cleanser of it. I dont believe a Christian should sin either. But, its the Holy Spirit working within me that keeps me from sinning. But, nowhere in scripture does it say that after comming to Christ that a person will never evr sin again. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That verse is better translated "For all are continually sinning and continually falling short of the glory of God" even you.
---craige on 12/29/06


Craig"Whats worse-me not keeping the saturday sabbath,or you not keeping it?"/Exodus 20:8-11 4th C."Remember the Sabbath day,to keep it holy.."This is God's command.Those who are being obedient & turn their focus to God 100% during these hours, God sees as keeping the Sabbath perfectly, through Christ.If you are doing your own thing on God's Holy Sabbath, & trample the Sabbath underfoot,purposely, knowing it is the Sabbath,then God sees you as a commandment breaker &you are a sinner.
---Gina on 12/29/06


Geoff - *I have but you don't like Heb 4:11 nor the examples of Jesus, Paul & others-Lk 4:16, Acts 17:2, 18:4.*

Virtually none of these verses support the keeping of the Jewish Sabbath.

Hebrews 4 even speaks of 'another day' besides the Jewish Sabbath and that day is the day one comes to believe in Christ.(4:3)

The other verses speak of the gospel msg being proclaimed in the Jewish synagogues.

Again your exegesis of scripture is truly lacking.
---lee1538 on 12/29/06


Craigie; It looks like we do have different religions. My Jesus gives me power (grace) to keep His Ten Commandments. Your Jesus is a partner with you in sin (an enabler, so to speak).
---jerry6593 on 12/29/06


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Then he will give you the strength to believe the truth and you will begin to serve him instead of Moses Law You cannot serve two masters how long halt ye between two opinions, a double minded man can receive nothing from God It's Got to be the Law of the Spirit of Grace or Judaism there is nothing else and Judaism is done away with by God.
---Exzucuh on 12/28/06


Phil. 4:13 I can do all things thru him who strengthens me.

Wonder if that would include the ability to observe all the Mosaic law including Sabbath observance?

We are instructed to 'rightfully divide the word of God'.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God,..., rightly dividing the word of truth.

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

I thinketh I will sticketh with that 'grace & truth from Jesus'.
---lee1538 on 12/28/06


Lee1538 said "all you have to do Geoff is to point to at least one verse in the New Covenant that commands the church to observe the Sabbath, but you have not or can you do so."

I have but you don't like Heb 4:11 nor the examples of Jesus, Paul & others-Lk 4:16, Acts 17:2, 18:4.

Now can you give me NC prohibition of bestiality-Ex 22:19, Lev 18:23, 20:15, Deut 27:21, or is that OK with you?
---Geoff on 12/28/06


Jerry- you just shot a hole in your own law. Yes, its true we can do all things THROUGH CHRIST. How do you do it THROUGH CHRIST? By being IN CHRIST. How were you placed IN CHRIST? By simple faith in what he accomplished at the cross. Rom.6. Its by faith in his finished work, that we can do all things. The sabbath is kept the same exact way-Through acceptng His finished work at Calvery.
---craige on 12/28/06


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Craige: Apparently you and I are of different religions. I can do ALL things through Christ which strengtheneth me. (Phi 4:13)
---jerry6593 on 12/28/06


Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Are you the children of Israel.
Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
if you keep the other sabbath you must keep this one too.
---Exzucuh on 12/27/06


Leviticus 25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.


Numbers 28:9-10 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

These are sabbath commandments
---Exzucuh on 12/27/06


Deuteronomy 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

you are not keeping the Sabbath there is many laws concerning what must be done and if you break one you break them all. To live by the Law is to keep it perfect. No person knew of the Sabbath laws until Moses gave them. In Hebrews 7:12 it says those Laws were changed.
There is no such thing as keeping the Law and Grace if you Don't.
---Exzucuh on 12/27/06


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Jerry- never did I judge the person. I merely stated that noone truly keeps the sabbath who claims to. Thats just a fact. Even you break the sabbath. Remember, any sin constitutes sabbath breaking. That is not a judgement just a fact of the sinful human condition. Whats worse- me not keeping the saturday sabbath, or you not keeping it? because the truth is,noone can truly keep it. Thats why it can only be done perfectly simply by being in Christ, and learning to depend on his performance and not our own.
---craige on 12/27/06


Matthew 7:1-2 'Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.'

If someone decides to usurp God's authority as a judge then why should I care if they do so in compliance with the second verse and judge me rightfully? Who knows, I may learn something useful that may even improve my relationship with the Lord?

Usually people that quote Mt. 7:1 simply ignore the following verse.
---lee1538 on 12/27/06


Craige: You appear to be judging others on their keeping of the Commandments. Shame on you. You may comment on the scriptures, what they mean, and whether they apply to us all you want, but "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Mat 7:1)
---jerry6593 on 12/27/06


"what Geoff means is the believer has some responsibility to obey Christ."

True, but obeying Jesus is somewhat different than obeying Moses and the Old Covenant laws that are no longer applicable to the church.

All you have to do Geoff is to point to at least one verse in the New Covenant that commands the church to observe the Sabbath, but you have not or can you do so.
---lee1538 on 12/27/06


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Gina- I dont have to be God to know you havent kept the sabbath. I know human nature, and were all sinners, unable to keep even one commamndment perfectly. If you will be honest with yourself, youll have to agree. If you say that you have kept it perfectly, then myself and everyone else will know that you speak a lie. Just remember, any sin constitutes beaking the sabbath. You have failed the sabbath commandment many times since being saved, because youre relying on your performance and not Christs.
---craige on 12/26/06


Geoff- I dont have any of those books. I do have a KJV, bible. If what I need to know isnt in it, then I dont really need it.
---craige on 12/26/06


Craige, you asked me to clarify what I meant when I asked what you will say in the judgement. Well, Lee1538 did a good job of answering you: "what Geoff means is the believer has some responsibility to obey Christ." Thank you Lee1538! Jesus didn't obey so we don't have to, but so that we CAN obey by His power & example-1 Peter 2:21-24, Phil 4:13.
---Geoff on 12/26/06


craige- "Jeff- sounds to me like You keep the sabbath according to your own terms and not the ones given in the OT. You seem to be changing the rules to fit your modern life. Shame,shame."

Try studying the laws of shabbat found in the Talmud, shulcan aruch, gemora and mishnah, then try to accuse me of changing once you see that you're wrong. The church got rid of the laws all together, so what is it to you that I obey G-d?
---Jeff on 12/26/06


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The sabbath and rest of God is now Jesus Christ our New Testament and ark of our covenant, he is the tabernacle of God and way into the Holiest of Holies. Those who turn back to the old covenant are not worthy of rest and will not find it. The word says this is another day ,that is a Spiritual day, the eighth day,a day of the circumcision of the believers heart,it is entered by faith, and the Valiant take it by power of the Holy Ghost.
---Exzucuh on 12/26/06


Debbie: How you can quote: "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day ... For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." and then say "His rest is available to us 24 hours a day and 7 days a week." is beyond comprehension. You seem to contradict yourself. The 24/7 concept is found nowhere in the Heb 4 verses you quoted. That would be "another day."
---jerry6593 on 12/26/06


I think the Sabbath is truly wonderful. It is also a sign of God's people. Also, how to keep it is such a personal thing. God gives us great leway in this. It is commanded NOT to work. But it is not specific on many things. The Pharisees got into trouble with the 'dos and don'ts'. Jesus plucked corn and they scolded Him. They were wrong.
---Audrey on 12/25/06


#1 The Sabbath speaks of rest. Jesus said in Matt. 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. And in Heb. 4:1,3,4-11 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
---Debbie on 12/25/06


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#2 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein,
---Debbie on 12/25/06


#3 and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works,
---Debbie on 12/25/06


#4 as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

His rest is available to us 24 hours a day and 7 days a week; not just on Sundays or Saturdays, depending on when you attend church. Jesus fulfilled the Law on Calvary. If we try to obey the Law in any respect we are then laying the grace of God aside.
---Debbie on 12/25/06


#5 Jesus is all sufficient, in Him is freedom from the Law. When we accepted Jesus into our heart, we ceased from all our own work and take a continual rest in Him. Just as we rest in Him 24/7 we should also worship Him 24/7. When we walk in the Spirit we will not be doing our own works but instead the work of the Spirit, all while we are totally resting in Him because He is doing the work through us. Because of grace we can cease from all our own work.
---Debbie on 12/25/06


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To those of you who are not Sabbath keepers, but who are trying to explain how to keep the Sabbath holy, I say again, your words will come back to meet you in the judgment. For you, who do not even obey God in remembering the Sabbath, to say to another, you are not keeping it correctly, are words that you should be directing back to yourselves, because otherwise, God will direct them back to you in the future.
---Gina on 12/25/06


Craige "Gina- you are right in saying that every word we speak will be judged. And the words that have been coming from your mouth is that you have kept the sabbath (which you havent)." // Are you God? I do acknowledge the 7th day as the Sabbath and observe it according to the convictions of my heart. God could easily say to you that you do not keep the Sabbath, and ask you why you are telling others that they do not keep it, when you do not at all.
---Gina on 12/25/06


Jeff- sounds to me like You keep the sabbath according to your own terms and not the ones given in the OT. You seem to be changing the rules to fit your modern life. Shame,shame.
---craige on 12/25/06


John *....because you don't really keep the very Sabbath you yourself tell others that they are to keep*

We find it interesting that never have any of the SDA told us how the Sabbath is to be observed.

I suspect that is because they observe it in accordance to their tradition like those that have communal worship on Sundays.

I can understand why an elderly pastor that I had once referred to the Adventist religion as a old broken spoke in a wheel.
---lee1538 on 12/24/06


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John-"Do you have a fire on the Sabbath? That means your furnace, hot water tank on fuel, or cook stove or any other appliance that has fire in it that operates on the Sabbath"

The commandment is to not kindle or light a fire on shabbat.A fire from a furnace or hot water heater is preexisting & doesn't fall under this category. OTOH lighting a stove on shabbat would be a violation of it as would cooking, so you would prepare everything beforehand so as not to do it on shabbat.
---Jeff on 12/24/06


John-"Do you travel on the Sabbath?"

This is one of the 39 forbidden labors of Shabbat that Yeshua himself kept and we know that the disciples & early church observed this as well after his resurrection since Acts1:12 uses a sabbaths days journey as a means of understanding the distance they traveled. If it was something they did not adhere to it would have ben fruitless to include this phrase since the audience would have been ignorant of what that means.
---Jeff on 12/24/06


Geoff- I'm not really understaning the point your trying to make. Please clarify. But, when God asks me "By what right do you have to enter into my kingdom?", my only reply can be "Only because of faith in the blood that your Son shed, do I have the right." and he will say "well done good and faithful servant, you have kept the faith."
---craige on 12/24/06


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