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Was Jesus The Second Adam

What is your understanding of the statement that Jesus was the second Adam.

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Warwick- we both agree Adam and Jesus were tempted, that's one area where they share equality and a reason for Paul to compare them.

Where you part from scriptural truth into your deviant, trinitarian world is the fact that 'God cannot be tempted' as stated by James (Js.1:13 KJV). All spirit creatures including Satan and the demons know that Jesus is not 'God', but 'the SON of God'. (Mt.4:1-10 & Mk.5:7)

Jesus is not the creator or the 'Alpha and Omega'. The issue over titles is your own problem. You believe Jesus to be God- was Adam also God? Do we also have to be 'God' to withstand temptations? Did God have to prove loyal and obedient to himself?

Your confusion is of your own trinitarian making. Sort yourself out.
---David8318 on 12/23/10


Scott, such irony that you of all people would say my choice to answer what I consider worth answering is 'convenient.'

You ask me to 'prove it.' You had me saying: "Most of your posts are...often misleading..."

When I actually wrote- "Also it is my choice what I consider worth answering. Most of your posts are cut and paste information-often misleading and irrelevant."

Also your use of selective quotes from Trinitarians in the attempt to prove Jesus a creature, is devious and misleading. Case proven.
---Warwick on 12/22/10


David, I truly admire your tenacity in promoting JW error. Good effort, wrong direction.

Comparing is not equating. Check the dictionary!

When we look at anything in Scripture we test it by Scripture. This is so simple to solve.

Jesus is given equal titles with the Father, such as Creator, Saviour, Redeemer, and the Alpha and the Omega. He is also King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the God who will judge the whole earth.

Conversely Adam is a sinner who may or may not make it to heaven.

If Adam was, as you claim, equal to Jesus the above titles should be applicable to him also.

Question: Does Scripture also give Adam these titles?
---Warwick on 12/22/10


Scott,I take what God has written over any man's opinions.

I feel confident to comment upon God's word as I have read His word from cover to cover many times. And study it in detail.

When you quote what some nonBiblical source says I would have to read much about the writer to come to understand their world view. Then I would feel confident of a quote's meaning.

As regards God I will stick to His word enlivened by the Holy Spirit.

I believe you have found some here are more Biblically literate than you so feel the need to go to safer ground.

Maybe there are others who will debate such writings with you?

I thank you as you have caused me to study His word much more!
---Warwick on 12/22/10


Trinitarian Bernhard Lohse (re Origen) concedes:

Origen taught that 'the Son was a creature of the Father, thus strictly subordinating the Son to the Father' and, 'Origen is therefore able to designate the Son as a creature created by the Father."

A Short History of Christian Doctrine, (trinitarian), Fortress Press, pp. 46, 252, 1985.
---scott on 12/22/10




Warwick- Paul believed both 'Adams' shared equality, that's why he drew the comparison. Jesus corresponds exactly to the 'first Adam' to cancel his sin.

You say, 'Jesus-born sinless and resisted temptation to sin. Surely He was God...' This is a deviation from the truth.

James said: 'for God cannot be tempted with evil...' (Js.1:13)

Jesus was tempted by Satan (Mt.4:1-10). Satan, a spirit creature obviously did not believe Jesus to be God, otherwise he wouldn't have tempted him.

You say Jesus is 'creator of everything' and yet 'subject to the same weaknesses we all have'. Ridiculous! Jesus shared the 'same weaknesses' because he was a created being- LIKE Adam- not the all powerful creator.
---David8318 on 12/22/10


Justin Martyr

"I say, that there is..., another God and Lord [the Son] , subject to the Maker of all things [the Father], who is also , called Angel...He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob, and to Moses, and who is called God, is , distinct from Him who made all things..." Dialogue With Trypho, chapter LVI (56), ANF Vol. I., pp. 223-4.

"Another God"?

"Called Angel"?

"Subject to the maker of all things"?

"Distinct from Him who made all things"?
---scott on 12/22/10


"it is my choice what I consider worth answering." Warwick

Convenient.

"Most of your posts are...often misleading..." Warwick

Prove it.
---scott on 12/22/10


Scott I read the Justin Martyr chapter and though couched in circuitous language it doesn't appear to give you support at all.

"Reverting to the Scriptures, I shall endeavour to persuade you, that He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob, and to Moses, and who is called God, is distinct from Him who made all things,--numerically, I mean, not[distinct] in will. For I affirm that He has never at any time done anything which He who made the world--above whom there is no other God--has not wished Him both to do and to engage Himself with."


JM was Trinitarian and seems to be saying that God who met with Abraham is distinct in person but equal to, and working in consort with God.
---Warwick on 12/22/10


Scott it is humourous you should complain I have not answered your questions. A recount would show I have answered far more of your questions than the reverse.

Also it is my choice what I consider worth answering. Most of your posts are cut and paste information-often misleading and irrelevant.

Any knowledgeable Christian knows JW reasoning and information is often devious. Compare the JW Kingdom Interlinnear with the JW Kingdom Bible to see the dishonesty-e.g. John 8:58 regarding 'ego eimi' 'I am' and the JW 'I have been.' Devious!

Also the Kingdom Interlinnear says Jesus created 'all things' while the Kingdom Bible mistranslates this as 'all other things.' Devious!
---Warwick on 12/22/10




Scott, and I ask you again:

In whose name should we meet together (Matthew 18:20, 1 Corinthians 5:4)?
Demons are subject to whose name (Luke 10:17, Acts 16:18)?

Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name (Luke 24:47)?

In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12, 3:16, Acts 10:43, 1 John 3:23, 5:13)?

By whose name and no other, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)?

Whose name should be invoked when we bring our petitions to God in prayer(John 14:13,14, 15:16, 16:23,24')?

In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent (John 14:26)?
---Warwick on 12/21/10


Origen

"The Son of God, the First-born of all creation, although He seemed recently to have become incarnate, is not by any means...recent. For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation,..." Against Celsus, Book V, chapter XXVI (26), ANF, Vol. IV (4), p. 560, reprinting of April, 1982.

Justin Martyr

"I say, that there is...another God and Lord [the Son] subject to the Maker of all things [the Father], who is also called Angel...He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob, and to Moses, and who is called God, is distinct from Him who made all things..." Dialogue With Trypho, chapter LVI (56), ANF Vol. I., pp. 223-4.
---scott on 12/21/10


Warwick,

As usual I'm still awaiting your answers to several very simple and direct questions...

...and waiting and waiting...zzzzzzzzz
---scott on 12/21/10


Scott your aim in all this ducking and weaving deception is to show that Jesus is 'Wisdom', a creature. You quote Calvin, Origen, (not Origin) and Justyn Martyr, as if they bolster your case. They don't as they are Trinitarians!

Who in Scripture says Jesus is a creature? No one, not the Father, not Matthew, Mark, Luke et al. No one. Just the opposite.

"Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor 1:24 Correct! This can only be said of Christ because He is God.

You continue to say He is a creature but ignore the impossibility of this because Jesus created all creatures. You are therefore saying He created Himself. I would like to see that!
---Warwick on 12/21/10


Both "Adams" died- both were thus created. If through his death the 'last Adam' takes away the sin of the 'first Adam', the 'last Adam' could not have been the eternal God who cannot die.
---David8318 on 12/20/10

Both were in human form...Christ was created born of a woman...father was GOD. His miracles were...with GOD's blessing.

Adam walked with GOD...but veered by woman...
Christ walked with GOD and did not veer... but his human form died...sinless.

Christ came for remarriage,reunification of both houses of Israel as all Prophets testify and Christ himself.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31, Matt 10:6/15:24 of hundreds pointing.
Nothing hard about going through the Sheep Gate. Climbing in another way is hard.
---Trav on 12/21/10


Warwick,

Your comments indicate that this is another topic that you have never actually examined. And you won't because it challenges your theological views.

"...but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor 1:24

Nothing that you have posted addresses the fact that the apostle Paul here identifies Christ as 'the wisdom of God'. Was Paul wrong?

And not surprisingly, nothing in your post addresses the fact that Justin Martyr, Origin, Tertullian, Cyprian, Lactantius, John Calvin, The new Jerusalem, etc. understood Paul's words to be a direct reference to Proverbs 8:22.

Were they all wrong? Yes or no?
---scott on 12/21/10


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Jesus Christ said:

"For this reason also the wisdom of God has said, I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they, will kill and some they will persecute." Luke ll:19, NASV

And yet at Matthew 23:34:

"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute..." Matt 23:34, NASV

Marginal references in the NASV at Luke 11:49 point to 1 Corinthians 1:24, 30 and Colossians 2:3, where Christ is additionally associated with the wisdom that comes from God.
---scott on 12/21/10


David comparison does not suggest equality. Compare me with Paul: I do not compare well.

To compare them.

Adam-created sinless but failed to resist temptation. Jesus-born sinless and resisted temptation to sin. Surely He was God, but also fully man and therefore subject to the same weaknesses we all have.

Adam brought death and suffering upon the whole of creation. Jesus brought light, hope and the offer of forgiveness to His whole creation.

Adam was a creature. Jesus is creator of everything.

We will see Jesus-King of Kings and Lord of Lords in heaven.

Jesus is the face of victory, God with us. Adam is the face of failure and sin.

Will Adam even be there?

They do not compare well.
---Warwick on 12/21/10


Scott you are master of evasion and cut and paste argument.

You evade the point: There is no doubt God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are wise beyond human measure.

However the reasons I have given, which you have not addressed, show these comments in Proverbs are not specifically about Christ. Wisdom does exist without the Godhead.

The crunch of course is that Jesus was not created (as the JW's would have us believe Proverbs 8:22,23 says). In fact Colossians 1:15,16 says He is God in human form, Creator of everything ever created. It is nonsense to suggest a creature can create everything including Himself! How can Jesus be both before all created things and also a creature?

This is irrational.
---Warwick on 12/21/10


Scott if as you claim Jesus is wisdom, something created, you must be saying God was not eternally wise!
---Warwick on 12/21/10


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Scott, who is Jesus:

In whose name should we meet together (Matthew 18:20, 1 Corinthians 5:4)?
Demons are subject to whose name (Luke 10:17, Acts 16:18)?

Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name (Luke 24:47)?

In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12, 3:16, Acts 10:43, 1 John 3:23, 5:13)?

By whose name and no other, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)?

Whose name should be invoked when we bring our petitions to God in prayer(John 14:13,14, 15:16, 16:23,24')?

In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent (John 14:26)?
---Warwick on 12/21/10


There was never a point in eternity that God was without Wisdom or His Word.
---micha9344 on 12/20/10


Wisdom - Christ?

John Calvin:


Referred to Christ as "The eternal generation of Wisdom of which Solomon speaks." Institutes of Religion, Book II, chapter 15

Justin Martyr:

"The Word of Wisdom, who is Himself this God begotten of the Father of all things...he speaks by Solomon...The Lord made me the beginning of His ways for His works." Dialogue With Trypho, chapter LXI, ANF, Volume I, pp. 227-8

Origin:

"We have...to ascertain what the first begotten Son of God is...He is termed Wisdom, according to...Solomon: "The Lord created methe beginning of His ways, and among His works..." De Principiis, Book I, chapter II, section I, ibid., Volume IV, p. 246
---scott on 12/20/10


'Wisdom - Christ? (2)

Trinitarian scholar Edmund Fortman:


"Paul applied it [Prov. 8:22-30] to the Son of God. The Apologists used it to prove to Gentile and Jew the pre-existence of the Word and his role in creation."

Trinitarian scholar Dr. W. H. C. Frend agrees:

"Paul...developed...the equation of Christ with the divine Wisdom incarnate (`Christ the power...and wisdom of God' [1 Cor. 1:24])." p. 102, The Rise of Christianity, Fortress Press, 1985.

Extremely trinitarian New Bible Dictionary:

"Paul would view Jesus...as the Wisdom of God. That Paul saw in Christ the fulfilment of Pr. 8:22 ff. seems apparent from Col. 1:15..." 1982, p. 1257
---scott on 12/20/10


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Scott you claim not to be a Jehovah's Witness but continually spout their errant doctrines.

It was you Scott who told us inanimate objects (or in this case abstract concepts) can be given human qualities or shown as posessing human form. Proverbs chapters 1-9 are about wisdom. And wisdom is figuratively given human qualities. There is no reason from the text that chapter 8 is to be treated any differently from the other 8 chapters.

If you claim Proverbs 8:22 speaks about Jesus then we must understand from Proverbs 1:20,21 that Jesus is a woman who cries in the street! And further that Jesus lives with a woman named Prudence! Oy vey!

Proverbs 1-9 is nonsensical if you try to read Jesus into the text.
---Warwick on 12/20/10


Warwick- fact is the two "Adams" do share equality. Why else would Paul draw the comparison? Not two 'Gods', but two 'Adams'. Both 'Adams' were created and both experienced death. One died as a result of adverse judgment from God, the death of the other was not.

Paul didn't identify who the 'last Adam' was in his discourse at 1 Cor.15:45. He left it up to the reader to discern who that was. Could that 'last Adam' have been the AlmightyGod, the eternal one who cannot die- the 'Alpha and Omega'?

Both "Adams" died- both of them were thus created. If through his death the 'last Adam' takes away the sin of the 'first Adam', the 'last Adam' could not have been the eternal God who cannot die.
---David8318 on 12/20/10


"Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works." Prov 8:22 Jerusalem Bible

Jerusalem Bible comments:

"The doctrine of wisdom...appl[ies] to the person of Christ. Jesus is referred to as Wisdom itself, the Wisdom of God, Mt. 11:19, Lk. 11:49, cf. Mt 23:34-36: like Wisdom, he participates in the creation of the world, Col 1:16-17...Finally St. John in his prologue attributes the characteristics of creative Wisdom to the Word, and his gospel throughout represents Christ as he Wisdom of God, cf. Jn. 6:35. Hence, Christian tradition from St. Justin onwards sees in the Wisdom of the O[ld].T[est- ament]. the person of Christ himself."
---scott on 12/20/10


David, you said Jesus was created.

I incorectly called Jesus the second Adam whereas Scripture calls Jesus the last Adam.

Jesus is called the second man being the 2nd to be completely sinless.

Calling Jesus 'last Adam' is not equating the two. We can compare them but not equate.

Adam does not compare well.

The first Adam was created in God's image whereas Jesus is the image of the invisible God-Col. 1:15.

The first Adam was created perfect but defeated by sin involving all humanity in his defeat. Jesus was victorious over sin, bringing victory to all.

The first Adam was a creature. Jesus is Creator, pre-existant with God the Father,and God the Holy Spirit before anything was created.
---Warwick on 12/19/10


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No Warwick, I was using the same words you apply to the 'first Adam' that are logically applied to the 'second Adam'. In doing so, you are confronted with your Neo-platonic bent.

I actually agree with your comment of 5/25/10. Paul compares Jesus with Adam for good reasons- reasons for which you state on 5/25/10, but for which you quickly retract and slide back into your Neo-platonic world.

Jehovah God- Jesus' Father and creator- is the 'Alpha and Omega'. Jesus is 'Gods Son', the first born of all creation. So Warwick, you believe the AlmightyGod, the 'Alpha and Omega' is also the 'last Adam'? The AlmightyGod is not a created being. However, Jesus His SON- the 'last Adam'- is (Cue Warwick's metaphysic Neo-plat.philosophies).
---David8318 on 12/19/10


David you put words in my mouth.

Jesus, as to His divine nature, is eternal uncreated. As to His human nature He was of the Holy Spirit and Mary-not created but born.

Jesus is Creator of everything as Colossians 1:16 says. Being Creator of everything created He cannot be created.

Different to any creature He was able and willing to rebuke Satan.

Jesus is of one substance with the Father, sharing numerous titles with Him-The Creator, the Alpha and the Omega, the Saviour, the Redeemer.

In heaven those who worship Him as God with us will see this God Man, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Jesus gives God a human face.
---Warwick on 12/19/10


Paul believed the story that Adam was a perfect being-that is a man in a carnal uniform without human imperfections.He also believed that Jesus ,in his human form ,in his earthly life was also perfect,having no imperfections as a human.
Jesus,through the apostles, was never known to have served his human will but the Father's only.Adam is stated to have not completely served the Father's will in his lifetime.He broke a rule as did Eve.
Adam is disqualified as being a perfect man as was Eve.If you are known to be a perfect person in the flesh then your slate is clean without spot or blemish.
Therefore Adam was never perfect likewise Eve also.Their biblical records are proof of imperfect mortal wills.Perfection is changeless .
---earl on 12/18/10


JackB,
Amen, Amen. Preach it, brother. Good stuff.
---James_L on 12/18/10


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Interesting Warwick wrote (5/25/10): "As I understand Scripture Adam the man was created perfect, born without sin, and had the freedom to follow God or rebel. Sadly for the whole of creation he chose rebellion, bringing the curse, including death, upon the whole of creation... Just as real is Jesus, the second Adam."

Thus the same holds true for Jesus Christ the 'second Adam' who (in the words of Warwick)...was created perfect, born without sin, and had the freedom to follow God or rebel. Happily for the whole of creation he chose obedience, removing the curse, including death, upon the whole of creation.

Romans 5:12,14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15:21,22,45-48.
---David8318 on 12/18/10


Man was created in the likeness of God and failed.

God became the likeness of man and succeeded.

Adam brought the curse.
Jesus brought the salvation.

He IS the 2nd Adam. But yet fully God. Stripped himself of power and glory to become his own creation. The consciousness of God in the fleshly body of a mere man. That is how he is able to understand our weaknesses ad temptations.

I believe everything He did thru faith in the Father, we have the ability to do thru faith in Him.
---JackB on 12/18/10


For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (1 Cor 15:21-22)

For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did Gods grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one mans sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. (Rom 5:15-16)

Christ is only compared to Adam as it concerns bodily death and ressurrection. The first Adam brought bodily death to all men, but the second (or last) Adam brings bodily life to all men
---James_L on 12/17/10


Human being without sin
Born of God without sin
---francis on 12/18/10


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Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true, and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 4:42b Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard [him] ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
---micha9344 on 12/15/10


Adam was created in the "likeness" of (Yahweh)God, (Yahshua)Jesus was God incarnate. Yahshua, which means "Yah or God saves" came to earth and died not to save the "world" from its sins but so he could remarry HIS people Israel so that the remnant of Israel which exists in the world today in 2010 can do what Adam was sent here to do but failed.
---Kurt on 12/13/10


As I understand Scripture Adam the man was created perfect, born without sin, and had the freedom to follow God or rebel. Sadly for the whole of creation he chose rebellion, bringing the curse, including death, upon the whole of creation.

He was a real person, not a character in a story.

Just as real is Jesus, the second Adam.

See Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22, 45-48.
---Warwick on 5/25/10


surely you understand why jesus came?to save the world,to die the death we all deserve,to take our place,our sins upon himself,to shed his blood as the only act God would accept as payment for those sins.
---tom2 on 5/25/10


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Both came into the world without sin.
Besides that not too much in common.
---francis on 5/24/10


When it says "in the beginning God created" that made HIM the author of Creation. The author has "athority" over His work, thus the dominion over creation belonged to God. But, he gave that dominion to Adam. When Adam sinned a curse was placed on that dominion, and Yehoshua (Jesus) won back the dominion from the curse by defeating death. The first man Adam is called a Son of God, as is the second. The first failed the second succeeded.
Peace.
Ken
---Ken on 5/24/10


well first ,adam was not born,he was created,formed from earth by God.Adam was without sin,so is jesus,this is what is meant by the second adam,a man in the world without sin,but adam sinned christ did not.
---tom2 on 5/24/10


Jesus and Adam were born sinless, Abel was born under sin, with a physical father and mother
---michael_e on 5/23/10


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1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
---Donna66 on 5/23/10


Jesus would have been the second Abel.
---Les on 5/22/10


What "Typology" means in Scripture is "a figure or representation of something to come" It is therefore prophetic by its character.
Shawn T gave the very best discription of what typology means concerning Adam and Christ. In Adam we know was the head of the old creation as Christ is the Head of the New Creation. "Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the One who was to come" Rom. 5:14.
Both Adam and Christ entered the world through a special act of God. Both entered the world sinless. 1 Cor. 15:45-47 declares a similar expression, "First Adam" and "Last Adam"
---MarkV. on 3/26/10


They both had God as their real Father.
One perfect, one not so perfect.
---MIchael on 3/25/10


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"What is your understanding of the statement that Jesus was the second Adam."

Just a minor point.. There is no second Adam. Only a First Adam and a Last Adam (Jesus)
---Van on 3/25/10


john on 9/9/08

John, I believe this says it all.
Hebrews 13:
20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven
---kathr4453 on 10/23/08


To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

--BlogQ: {What is your understanding of the statement that Jesus was the second Adam?}

--Answer: "Jesus was the second Adam" is not in the scriptures. SECOND would imply there will be a THIRD, FOUTH...ect.

There is a purpose & reason for everything. There is a beginning & an ending to every purpose & reason. Adam was the beginning purpose & reason for being created in the God's image and Christ Jesus is the ending or as the scriptures says the Last Adam (1 Cor.15:45).

Christ Jesus is call the "Last Adam" do to the truth in that He is the END PURPOSE, the END REASON that we all were created to aspire & rise-up to in God's image (Rom8:29)!!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 10/19/08


Dear Wayne,

With all due respect, please contemplate this:
Gal3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Man has never been able to keep the commandments (law), that's why Christ had to come.

Gal2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Ga2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I pray the Lord opens your eyes.
---trey on 10/2/08


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wayne, that is very interesting. where did you get the information that adam and eve were created spiritually first? that is quite a concept and I would like to know more about it. Anyway, my understanding that Jesus is the second Adam is that he is the second Adam. But make no mistake that Christ is God in Human form. Some say he poured His whole self into Jesus-not true. Only part of himself. This is why Jesus said that only the Father knows when He will return at the end. If all of God were in Jesus, He would have had this knowledge, and probably would have said He knows but can't tell.
---ginger on 9/27/08


Paul makes the Adam-Christ connection pretty clear in Romans 5.
---Kim2u on 9/25/08


The first Adam is the federal head of the Adamic family (entire world). He represented all of us when he sinned, plunging all of us into sin (i.e. we are sinners because we were born sinners.)

Christ as the "Last Adam" - 1st Cor 15:45 is the federal head (representative) for all God's children. He represented us on the cross at Calvary. We are saved by his work and not our own (Titus 3:5).

Lord bless you all.
---trey on 9/25/08


Mrs.Morgan. Many of us may not place as much emphasis on the blood as you do because we see that his perfect life, his blood, his death, and resurrection where all part of our salvation. All of these are totally necessary, not just the blood. All of these should be equally emphasized and revered, not just the blood.
---john on 9/9/08


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If people truly read and study the hebrew scriptures you'll find some interesting things. If you separate the A or Alif itactually stands for blood, and Dam can mean pact or covenant, so we get the blood covenant in the first Adams name. His name also means earth. Now in the geneologies of the Gospel Adam is said to be the son of God. Im not saying he is Yeshua. Adam and Eve were created spiritually first, this is why God made for them coats of skin after they fell. Eden was not on earth, when they left eden they came to earth. Eden is a spiritual place. Study the actual hebrew and you see its there.
---wayne on 9/9/08


The old testament, tells us everything. Yeshua came in Adams place to rectify what had happened in eden. He showed the perfect way to God. 1. He said if you want to be saved, keep the commandments. 2. Then he said but if you want to be made perfect, sell all that you have and follow me. He is showing us that first we must learn to keep the commandments of God, then we can go higher and follow His path and be made perfect as he is. Its all a progression. How can we say we follow him when we look at Gods law and say its done away with. Yeshua kept it, so should we. Then we can be as He is. Contemplate this
---wayne on 9/9/08


Bruce is 100% on target.Jesus the man is ADAM2 Genesis prophecies this.Gen3:15.It is there without a doubt Read it.The woman is Mary His mother to be both incorporated as a UNIT.Gods plan is for all time. The Creator.Supreme King of all.
---MIC on 9/9/08


mrs morgan is correct. Here is what she requested:
1 Corinthians 15:45-47

45) So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[a], the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46) The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47) The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

This is GOD's word, who can argue?
---ginger on 9/9/08


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(II.)Mima, People can't be born again/cleansed unless they take Jesus' FULL SACRIFICE, Which is He death AND the shedding of divine Blood(the only Thing that would SATISFY GOD,Both His death, and the shedding of His precious incorruptible Blood are essential for salvation, beware of those in the "popular crowd" who leave out the divine Blood, they are workers for the enemy)Only Jesus(The whole Jesus)is accepted as the PERFECT/COMPLETE Sacrifice for sin.(1 Peter 1:18,19)(Rev.5:12)
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/28/08


Adam was the first representative of the human race. Because he sinned we are sinners. Because he died, we are subject to death.
Jesus is the second Adam in that he is the only other man who was representative of the entire human race. Because he died on our behalf we can be free from death. Because he lives we can live.

Romans 5:14-21, I Cor 15:12-50
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/07


Jesus is the 2nd Adam as far as comming to earth & giving his life for us.Since ADAM in the beginning got kicked out of the garden,Jesus had to come pay a ransom for us.
this is the simple definition.
---candice on 3/29/07


Jesus born on Kislew, load of rubbish..Tammus was born on this date and definitely not Christ..the bible never said He did..this is a False Prophets teaching..Nimrods so called son was born on this date...
---mini on 1/4/07


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mini, See: (1 Corinthians 15:45-47). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/4/07


How can He be when He Himself created Adam.....
---mini on 1/4/07


Many don't understand the FULL meaning of Jesus being the "Second Adam", But they better know that very God came down to earth, the only One who was qualified to present His WHOLE Self(which is both HIS dying and the shedding of HIS sinless Blood, no one else other than God Himself was eligible to do that!) for the remission of sins. God bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/19/06


Eloy - Kislew 25th, too late in the year Shepard's would not be in the fields in Palestine in Kislew, the reason there was no room in any inn near Jerusalem is because it was the beginning of High Holy Days.
---notlaw99 on 12/18/06


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notlaw99, Jesus was not born on Rosh Hashana, but more closer to Hanukkah, for Jesus was born on the night of Kislew 25th.
---Eloy on 12/17/06


Yahshua was the second Adam, he had to meet all the Talmudic requirement of the second Adam to be an acceptable Messiah to the Jews including being born on RoshaShana.
---notlaw99 on 12/17/06


Basically the lifestyle(s) of Eve and Adam brought us from God's garden into this carnal world. The lifestyle of Jesus can take us back out to the Godly world.
---mikefl on 12/16/06


mark, Yes, that is true, But God don't accept excuses. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/16/06


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morgan, dont forget that eve helped
---mark on 12/16/06


Jesus is the second Adam as the word says first is the natural then the Spiritual. Adam was put to sleep and his bride came from his side bone of his bone flesh of his flesh. While Jesus Slept on the cross his bride came as blood and water out of his pierced side, making a spiritual bride of all who are born of the Spirit
---exzucuh on 12/16/06


"So also written, The first man Adam engendered into living life, the last Adam in life-making Spirit. The first man out of earth, of soil; the second man the Lord, out of heaven. Such of the soil, they also such like of soil: and such of the heaven, they also such like of heaven." I Corinthians 15:45,47,48.
---Eloy on 12/16/06


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