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Is The Bible Real

What proof do we have that God is real? How do we know people didn't just make up the bible? Do we have any SCIENTIFIC proof that God and Jesus are real, or do we just guess?

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you will have to google this to find quotes. the bile knew the world was round befor we did. and it new that there was spings in the bottom of the ocean and we didnt discover that until like 1970. How can science prove the bible wrong it breaks its own rules life cannot form from none living things, cause and effect whats the cause. you cant take nothing nothing and a little more nothing it a lab and create something. I used to not belive in the bible i always though it was just a happy ending that everyone wanted. All of it is hard to understand. everytime you think of somthing that makes the bible seem fake. investigate and you will figer it out. I
---paul on 5/29/09

I don't think so, Jered. Who are these people? True martyrdom only comes about when one dies because of their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. What other religions has been as put down, stumped upon, more than Christianity. [Baring the name of Christ]. Jesus promised His people, "Because of Him, we would be hated by the WHOLE world". Jesus did not promise the world, because of it's false religion, they would be hated. [only pertains to God's people]. No, God said that if you belong to the world, the world will love you. Satan, ofcourse, hates God's true people. How come? Because he got kicked out of heaven, is the number one reason. Another one being, Satan hates anything God has Created.
---catherine on 4/26/09

So people allegedly risked thier lives to promote the word of 'Jesus'....but how many people have lost their lives at the hands of religion for speaking out about THEIR beliefs? Countless. The church made it a mission to destroy those who dared to question something for which no scientific evidence exists (if so where is it - and a book of stories doesnt provide scientific proof?). Is that religion? Not in my mind.
---Jered on 4/25/09

This is why I believe the Bible is real: Why would several men (the disiples/authors of the Bible) risk death by such horrible means just to spread the word of the Bible? Because they 'thought' it was true? I doubt it. Not only several people risked death, several actually died horrible deaths just to tell people about Jesus and what He did for us. Do ya know what I'm saying? Why would they die for something they weren't sure was absolutely true?
---sue on 4/10/09

The Bible?

66 books 39 OT 27 NT
written by over 40 authors
over a span of 1,400-1,800 years
in three different languages
on three different continents
Written by kings, and peasants
In times of peace, and times of war
It is not a history book, but it's historical
It is not a science book, but it's scientific

Twenty journalists can even write about a recent event without major contradictions, let alone over the span of 1,800 years. God Breathed? I think so.
---Gregg on 4/10/09

Sarah, if your argument for religion and the existence of a god is based on calling anyone who does not think the way you do an idiot then there is no wonder people are turning away from religion, to blurt out things like "How could anyone think that there was just a big bang and the world with everyone in it was there" is a ridiculous outlook on evolution, The big bang was not instantaneous, but a generalisation of the universe coming to form resulting from great chemical reactions, any pre schooler can tell you that, it happened over a finite time, i feel this explanation will also cover your complete lack of knowledge for the evolution of the human species also, if not i will clarify,
---Moi on 4/8/09

Feelings are wonderful but prove nothing. Atheists, Hindu's, and drug addicts have feelings also.

God has supplied His history in Scripture, much of which has been verified by archeaology, with more verification to come.

God has given us minute detail about reality-including times, dates, people, events,places-much of which can be verified. His word says the earth is round, hangs in space upon nothing, that air has weight. He has supplied much information which was not discovered by man until quite recently.

He tells us (Rom 1:20) He has left so much evidence of Himself in that which he created that 'men are without excuse.'

He has not said that our feelings are of similar consequence.
---Warwick on 4/3/09

God cant be explained because thats called faith. U can really prove there is a God because God defies science. I know God is real cause i can feel it in my heart. Its an unexplainable feeling. Its know that someone loves me enough that he sent his son. And history does prove Jesus. God sent him and God had to watch him suffer just so that i, a sinner unworthy of love unclean, so that i can go to be in heaven with him. Thats some amazing love right there. God loves you. Ive done so bad things in my life and He still loves me. And he wants you to be one off his children. Man, there is noone nothing that can love u as much as God.
---Brit on 4/2/09

How could anyone think that there was just a big bang and the world with everyone in it was there. IF you believe in evolution then how come people are not turning into something else. If you really think that we evolved from a monkey then you are an idoit. The BIble and everything in it is real. How could a big bang create such intrecit and marvolous things. If you have ever thought about how wonderfully designed our bodies are then you would have to believe that we were all created by God. Jesus His Son was sent to die on the cross for our sins. He came down on this earth not to save Himself, but to give us forgiveness so that we can have eternal life with HIm in Heaven. God has forgiven me and everyone we just need to except His forgiveness.
---Sarah on 3/26/09

Who are you who want to PROOF God is real? Do you think God is some lab mouse that you can perform experiment on? Science can only observe and investigate repeatable and observable events. To me, it is much more possible that there is a God who created everything. Do you think it's more possible that there is someone made the watch you're wearing on your wrist or you believe that it's by some random volcanic eruption, some metal was melted and the melted metal fell into different holes which molded the parts and there is this random wind that brought the different parts together and form the watch? Do you really believe that?
---Kay on 3/1/09

The best proof is a true salvation FOR A PERSON. Also, getting close to God. God lives in His people. Alot of the Bible some of His people are living it. Some of the stuff we are witnessing has already been recorded in the Bible. God says in His word that the Bible is true. This is the best that I can do on this one. But I am sure after submitting this some others will come to my mind. As far as God is real I will add. Look at the lives which God's people lives compare to unbelievers. We could NOT live a godly life in such a wicked world without the help of the living God. It would be impossible.++
---catherine on 1/30/09

there is no proof that the bible is real. allan

What you seem to be asking is does it record real history.

i don't understand how people that are rational in there lives can belive this stuff. allan

History shows many parts of the Bible true. Jerusalem and Bethelhem and other places listed in the Bible exist.

Recently the Ossary of James the son of Joseph brother of JESUS was found. It is not considered to be authentic.

If you can prove that your beliefs are rational and mine are not then i want to know how. allan

What are your beliefs? I believe the Bible to be true. Many parts can be proved by Historical evidence. Others can be shown probable. Some has to be taken on faith.
---Samuel on 1/30/09

there is no proof that the bible is real. it is the largest sold story book in the world. i don't understand how people that are rational in there lives can belive this stuff. why can't rational people except the fact that if you die you are gone. if you can prove that your beliefs are rational and mine are not then i want to know how.
---allan on 1/29/09

We all must study the bible and it's origins! Very important! Do not be afraid to question the bible, there is no question too big for God! Jesus walks on water Matthew 14:22. Telling people not ask questions is like telling them to find a different religion! Luke 2:46 After 3 days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. Writers, philosophers, and historians all agree, haha! Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Thallus and Phlegon, Mara Bar-Serapion,Josephus, the four Gospels. He existed, whether you believe his teachings is a whole other issue!
---Holly on 11/25/08

At my church they showed a video of these two guys who found the real crossing of the red sea, which was at a different spot than the original idea. They also found the bitter springs, and many other things that prove the exodus, and eliminated all of my thoughts that God might not be real.
---Tk565 on 1/29/08

Have you ever seen the wind? If you answered no, then how do you know the wind exists? You know it exists by the leaves blowing on the trees, this is the same with God. You cannot see in the invisable, what can ONLY be seen with a natural eye - you MUST learn to look at God with a spiritual eye in order to see Him. I pray your eyes would be open today.
---Leslie on 1/29/08

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Heelo Dr. Rich: The Bible never causes a person to become holy. That is the job of the Person of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is the most read of all books. Even unbelievers are in Bible classes. Still very little holiness in todays world. We Christians, knows that the Bible is the infallible word of God plus ofcourse it would contain the word of God. True science you will find in the word of God. And by the way Mother nature I can not find in the Bible. Have a most pleasant day Dr. Rich.
---catherine on 1/29/08

The Bible shows us how to create a perfect society. However the people who are ultra rich and Satanic, want to control the planet and destroy two thirds of humanity. The remainder will worship the Pope. Christians will be jailed. It has happened all along for thousands of years and is just gathering pace now.
---frances on 1/28/08

Bobby:: God made Science and revealed it to humanity at his own time & wish.Science did not CREATE God: the Key word here is Create make something out of Nothing.
---Emcee on 1/28/08

The bible is not holy in itself but causes people to become holy. The bible is not the word of God but does contain the word of God. Science agrees with the bible BUT it is the interpertation we have been given by so called experts that gets us into trouble.
---Dr._Rich on 1/28/08

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Now you know why the fourth commandment (Sabbath) is so important! Ask yourself why we have a 7 day week? Also, we have been given prophecy which is all about science and history.
---Dr._Rich on 1/28/08

If god is real.Then how do you explain space and other planets? How do you explain Atlantis and many other mysteries? Is it possible that there is other life out there? Is it possible that a very long time ago our kind was visted by another kind? And if so is it possible that we saw them as a god. Is it possible they were far more advanced then us. If you saw someone do very extrodinary things would you see them as a god? Our minds aren't fully awake yet. And when there are, what will we be capable of?
---Raven on 1/26/08

god didn"t create earth and all that we have,its pychially impossible for anyone,or anything to create the earth,or something or the earths size,When it comes down to it,u can"t even prove that god was really alive,or even was real,you cant prove dat he is fake also,this site wants everyone to belive that god is real,nope im sorry , i dnt hate your belifes,i repect that,but all this was formed just to create COMFORT for people when they have noone,they come to god.SIMPLE!
---blaze on 11/15/07

Hey Bobby,

To know God is real, all one has to do is look around:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:

Do you really believe that all this just happened by chance? When you examine the variables and the evidence one must conclude there is a great Creator.
---trey on 11/3/07

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Can you get 40 people to agree doctinally?
Could you get 40 people across the span of time to co-author a book and make it all blend?
Could the authors accurately predict specific events some 600 years into the future?

Is the bible real???

There is only One that can do all this.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ...
---trey on 11/3/07

my name is mike and i am a good hearted person as i am sure you are. Sicence and history are both explanations of events that occur. Science speaks about the patterns in which the physical intereacts with each other.
---mike on 10/29/07

You're not going to like the answer I'm going to give you, but you can't prove God scientifically.

But for that matter, you can't prove a Beethoven symphony, Shakespearean sonnet, or classical painting scientifically, either.

All these works of art do more than exist--and the same with God.
---Jack on 8/25/07

Bobby, you feel the breeze yet know not whence it comes from, see the trickling of water, yet know not whence cometh its source, u breath in air yet not know where it come from..same to bible..Science can never explain the bible but God only.
---mini on 1/5/07

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IamI: "myths predate the Bible." True, but they don't predate the Torah. "The chosen people" had to be someone like God chose many people to accomplish His purpose. He chose the Israelites (Jews). God says why throughout the OT.

"The Bible contain SOME spiritual truths" - there is no use reasoning with you about anything written in the Bible if you think this way.
---Steveng on 1/2/07

The Bible is real, however, many have been deceived, beginning with Eve. I offer you a revelation to increase your faith. Daniel's prophecy two thousand and three hundred days is written 200300. A year equaled 360 days at that time. Do the math to figure out the year month, day and minute of the Lord's Day.
---discipleabct on 12/28/06

Jesus also says beware of the teaching of the Pharisees.
---tonne on 12/28/06

1/Leslie, I watch the history channel also. I even watch the discover channel too. Last month I watched the origin of the Christian hell on the discovery channel. It traced hell from Amenta/Amenti (ancient Egypt) to sheol to Hades. The presentation was fair. Remember, these channels are in the control business like most, if not all, news media. What exactly did the history channel say about Noah*s Ark and Moses crossing the Red or Reed sea?
---I_AM_I on 12/28/06

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2/ Leslie

YOU WROTE: The Bible says that cursed are they that ask for proof of God and His Word,

I know you really believe that. However, do you understand why language like this was included in Scripture? At the end of Revelation there is a similar warning.

More importantly, how do you reconcile that wit Paul directive to PROVE ALL THINGS. Thess. 5:21. Also, how do you reconcile that with both Paul and Jesus telling you to do more than just believe things, but to KNOW them!
---I_AM_I on 12/28/06

I learned of these scientific discoveries on the History Channel. The Bible says that cursed are they that ask for proof of God and His Word, and that a FOOL says that there is NO God.
---Leslie on 12/27/06

Bobby, if you want to understand the Bible, which does contain SOME spiritual truths, research Nile Valley myths, Greek myths and philosophy and Babylonian myths. Some of these myths predate the Bible. Be prepared for an awakening. Do not give up on the Bible, although some in our society try to CONFUSE people with it and have used it to CONTROL the masses. Without this background you will have a superficial grasp of Scripture.
---I_AM_I on 12/26/06

Phil The Elder, why would the ONE TRUE GOD select a *chosen people?* The ONE TRUE GOD has no *chosen people.* Nonetheless, if you still accept that theory, then let me know who exactly are these chosen people. Do you know the origin of the god in the OT? Where did Moses get this god from?
---I_AM_I on 12/26/06

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Leslie, where are those scientific proofs of Noah*s Ark and where exactly did Moses cross the Red Sea? Is it the Red or REED Sea that Moses crossed? Please inform us what YEAR he crossed the sea. Also, inform us what part of the sea he crossed and where he ended up on the other side. Where he ended up on the other side, was that part of the great Egyptian empire at the time?
---I_AM_I on 12/26/06

Jerry, are the many books the Bible cited as reference but which are not contained in Scripture also God - inspired? Where are these books? Are the more than 200 o 300 gospels or books that were in circulation before the Council of Nicea God - inspired? Some of these books were used by the early church, its fathers and bishops. Were they God - inspired while the church used them but became non - inspirational after canon was codified?
---I_AM_I on 12/26/06

Phil: I respectfully disagree. My Bible says:

2Ti 3:16 ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If you rip out the pages of the Bible that you think not inspired, all you will have left is your own, man-made religion.
---jerry6593 on 12/25/06

You cannot see the wind, only its effects, does that mean that the wind is not real. God and the Bible are very real. There is scientific proof of Noah's Ark, the place where the Red Sea was parted by Moses, and other numerous things that are all part of the Bible and God.
---Leslie on 12/22/06

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The Bible says that you are cursed for wanting proof of God. It also says that a fool says that there is no God.
---Leslie on 12/22/06

Bobby: Look around you. There exists both physical reality and life in abundance; Neither of which came into existence without a prime cause. Either it came magically into existence by itself, and all life spontaneously generated itself from non-life, or God created both. There is no other alternative. Science has disproven the spontaneous generation, random chance theory. That leaves only God. QED
---jerry6593 on 12/22/06

The Bible is a collection of writings written by a number of authors of varying abilities on religious subjects. Early Genisus is a blending of alagorical stories by Priestly editors using oral traditions of the northern and southern tribes of Israel. Some texts [Daniel, Second Peter, and Revelations] are untrustworthy are purely pseudopigraphic with false authorship. The bulk of the Bible presents God's relationship with a chosen people and the exposition of that relationship to include all people.
---Phil_the_Elder on 12/22/06

Does the Bible teach Science? No it is not a scientific textbook, nor was it written to teach science but religion. Revelation does have some science. Geology and astronomy are mentioned in the Bible. Moses was given laws on clean and unclean food so I would guess that health was revealed by God.
---Tonne on 12/21/06

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If people did make the Bible up they were some very smart people and God gives man wisdom to those who ask. I have proof that God is real because He touched my life many times and brought peace and comfort. He is very real and there is no doubt in my mind.
Christians are supposed to walk by faith so why would we need proof?
---Tonne on 12/21/06

Job mentions aircurrents and says, "He (God) draws up the drops of water, which distill into rain from the vapor; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind." The understanding of the 'hydrologic cycle' and world air-currents was achieved only within the past 150 years.

What scince has NOT figured out yet, if ever, is Jesus' resurrection. Only Christians have this knowledge and it's this knowledge that will get them to Heaven.
---Steveng on 12/21/06

"...countless as the stars of the sky and measureless as the sand on the seashore." says Jerimiah around 600BC. Ptolemy, in 300AD said the number of stars was 1,056. Until the invention of the telescope, who was right?

In 1500 BC, Job said, "He marks out a circle (hebrew khoog or roundness) on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness." Scientist thought that the Earth was flat until the 16th century. Who was right?
---Steveng on 12/21/06

Job said around 1500BC, "He (God) suspends the earth over nothing." While different cultures thought someone was holding it up or were supported on the backs of elephants standing on turtles.

Job states that the eagle looks down from an inaccessible cliff, and spies out its prey "from afar." It wasn't until a few hundred years ago that scientists thought birds of prey had an acute sense of smell.
---Steveng on 12/21/06

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Job mentions aircurrents and says, "He (God) draws up the drops of water, which distill into rain from the vapor; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind." The understanding of the 'hydrologic cycle' and world air-currents was achieved only within the past 150 years.
---Steveng on 12/21/06

Jack-I understand and your right. PEACE BE with YOU.
---peter8365 on 12/21/06

We all need one way or another to get to that level of appreciation.
---peter8365 on 12/21/06

I don't know if people understood my analogy about the futility of trying to prove a symphony, sonnet, or painting in a scientific manner.

Art, poetry, and music--just as God and the Bible--speak to us on an entirely different level and manner than the mere quantitative facts that the scientific method can determine.
---Jack on 12/19/06

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"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:29-31).God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/18/06

Archeaology has proven more things in the bible than it has disproved, and most of what it disproved was later retracted because they found something to prove it again. Jesus did live and he did die no serious scholoar would ever deny that. Faith though is not found in our heads but in our hearts.
---Jared on 12/18/06

short version.
prophecies give proof. all through the Bible are prophecies of Jesus to come. then He came. lived. healed. died. and rose again. historical evidence by believers were found. they believed because Jesus was there.

in Daniel it tells of successive ruling nations. history shows when Daniel wrote the letter and when the nations rose up to rule.

more prophecies tell that Jesus is coming back. believe.
---JaeR on 12/18/06

Think about how if you have a dream, the things that "happen" in this "reality" which can only be in your head. These "happenings" do not effect your day-to-day "reality". This is symbolic of the fact that ANY "happenings" do not effect our REALITY of eternal existence in GOD. It is also "proof" that you can change your own "reality", but not REALITY. Proof will be given, when you are willing to accept REALITY. PEACE.
---Peter8365 on 12/18/06

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What proof do we have that Bobby is real? How do we know people didn't just make up Bobby? Do we have any SCIENTIFIC proof that Bobby and that human are real, or do we just guess?
---Eloy on 12/17/06

Science finds proof of existance through the five senses. Christianity finds proof of existance through the heart.

Besides, no man could have ever written the Bible, it's too difficult to obey. Other religions puts man on a pedastal, saying man can do it himeself or man is god. Many Christian organizations twist verses teaching that a Christian life is easy. Christianity, on the other hand, put God on a pedastal. And being man (selfish, stiffnecked, cold hearted), that's difficult to do.
---Steveng on 12/17/06

Yes there is a huge amount of evidence that the biblical information is confirmed using historical evidence...a lot of it came from first scholors seeing something in the bible and there was no historical evidence and they shunned the bible, then a few years later proof would come up for it
---mark on 12/17/06

There's sufficient proof and evidence for man to know that God exists, and on top of that God gives man a measure of faith, According to His Word. Any Excuse for not accepting God's Truth/His existence just wont be accepted. God dont accept excuses. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/17/06

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Bobby, There is evidence all around of God's existence. If you read the Bible, you will find that nowhere in Scripture is the attempt ever made to "prove" God exists, it is entirely written assuming that the reader will know or believe in God's existence. Psalm 14:1 says, "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." Where does this find you? It doesn't matter to anyone except yourself whether you believe in God. It does determine your eternal destiny, though.
---tommy3007 on 12/17/06

God left proof on this earth that He is real, because His only Son walked on this earth for 30 + yrs. He talked to His Father often. They have also scientific proof from the srolls they found. One was from Luke and it has the Birth of Christ in it.. To have Faith is to believe what we cannot see.
---julea5469 on 12/17/06

greetings.p2.Ask yourself another.Why do so many people want to be loved?
---earl on 12/17/06

Can you prove God is not Real? You can give opinions as to why he is or is not real. But you can neither scientifically prove he's real or not real. That's where faith comes in.
---grace3869 on 12/17/06

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If it could be proved ... would you need FAITH?
---quent5969_the_Scot on 12/17/06

Consider that maybe time and space are concepts that we chose with Our Free Will. The concept of time includes past, NOW, and future, but can YOU live in a time other than NOW? The concept of space includes there, HERE, and in-between, but can YOU live in a space other than HERE? GOD is NOW and for ALLWAYS, GOD is HERE and EVERYWHERE. When you think that GOD is NOWHERE to be found, it is a misunderstanding of GOD being NOW--HERE to be found. PEACE.
---Peter8365 on 12/17/06

greetings.If seeing were believing then would you believe what you saw?Or will what you saw be deception in your eyes?Will hearing God be of comfort and not hearing voices?Will feeling God be of comfort and not an emotion?Spirit is what men and women experience in their mortal minds.The reality of God is not from a scientific observation but from an observation that many have a divine purpose and 'it'is observed as 'love'. Ask yourself, what does 'love' do?Where does 'it' come from?
---earl on 12/17/06

God left evidence but not proof. His existence is self evident and he does not wish to be relegated scientific proofs, any more than a parent wants his children arguing about the existence of the parent. God wants faith. To ask for scientific proof is approaching from the wrong perspective

Romans 1:20 and Romans 2:15
---thewalkingprophet on 12/17/06

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as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

Ancient historical writers (21 in all) though often in opposition to the Gospel never disputed the fact that Jesus lived and died early in the first century at the hands of the Romans.
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

D. Tells of multitude of Christians put to death in Rome alone.
E. accounts the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 as foretold by Jesus Mat 24:1

Flavius Josephus 37 AD (writer of the antiquities of the Jews.)

B. Former Jewish General and Priest.
Book 18, chapter 3:
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

Historian of Rome 55 AD

A. Documented the Neronian persecution of 64 AD

B. Testifies of Jesus crucifixion Jesus was a malefactor put to death by Pontius Pilot in the reign of Tiberius (Luke 3:1)

C. Tells that the Christian sect that arose in Judea spread despite the ignominious death of its founder, and the hatred and contempt it encountered throughout the Roman Empire.
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

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The Bible is the life story of God among men, and now you have to decide if it's fiction or truth.

Study world history and read what the Bible has said from age to age, even the life of Jesus as he prophesied his own death on a cross, and history documented it plainly in the writings of ancient historians such as Tassitus;
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

No other book in the world has endured such intense scrutiny and gone on to be the #1 bestseller of all time printed in more languages and dialects and on more continents than any other book ever.
No other book has as much historical evidence, (most trusted ancient works have 9 or 10 originals manuscripts)
24,633 NT manuscripts discovered. Why is that relevant?
Manuscript evidence 10,000 times greater than any other ancient work.
Think about what you're saying and find facts not opinion.
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

These men trusted in him for their very souls forsaking the path to God that they knew. If he deceived them then he is truly the most diabolical figure in antiquity, and the Bible is the most cunningly devised book of lies ever.

Conclusion: If what is said of Jesus in the New Testament was a lie the conversion or transformation of the apostles who fled is a greater miracle then any have ever seen; Because without a resurrection nobody would sacrifice their life to teach it.
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

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