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Resting On Sabbath

To you who advocate the Sabbath for Christians,the Bible is clear as to who rested on the seventh day and why,it was God only because He had completed creation,He didn't tell Adam and Eve eventhough they now existed neither did He command the angels to rest on that seventh day.

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"Your problem is that you believe I am a classical evolutionist, while I am not.
---lee on 9/15/09"

Then why do you insist on a long age creation? What kind of evolutionist are you?
---jerry6593 on 9/16/09


Donna: When Jesus summarized the Ten Commandments with the two "Love Laws" (quoted from the Old Testament), He did not single out any of the Ten for removal as you seem to imply. If that were the case, then He contradicted Himself when He said:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law
---jerry6593 on 9/16/09


Warwick -**Your major antiBiblical belief is that man lived and died for long-ages before Adam sinned.

If you were to review all my posts, I never once even addressed this issue.

And the fact that the Genesis record does not tell us the duration of the Creation days does not imply anything about man died long ages before Adam sinnned.

Your problem is that you believe I am a classical evolutionist, while I am not.
---lee on 9/15/09


lee -- I agree. As a Jew, Jesus kept Jewish law. But He did not mention the Sabbath when He gave His famous summary of the law in Matt 22:37-40.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets".
OBEYING the COMMANDMENTS of JESUS, had no mandatory observation of ANY day.

That is because...
The SPIRITUAL significance of the Sabbath, AFTER the resurrection, is of a different rest...the rest from striving to attain what Jesus has already obtained on our behalf.
---Donna66 on 9/14/09


As late as the 5th century most Christians were keeping the Sabbath. And much later than that in Ireland and Ethiopia.
---dconklin on 9/14/09




Kim you are believing and teaching FALSE doctrine and NOT lined up with the Bible. The Sabbath was COMMANDED by GOD to ALL people for ALL time (FOREVER). Read your Bible, it is in there.
---Leslie on 9/14/09


Lee,evasive as usual.

Your major antiBiblical belief is that man lived and died for long-ages before Adam sinned. This contradicts Scripture, undermining the gospel. Your rejection of day-length is a necessary consequence of this error.

You claimed the light source controls day-length but refuse to explain how.

Genesis 1:5 defines 'one day' and this definition is applied to the following 6. God confirms this in Exodus 20:8-11 saying He created in 6-days so His people would work for 6-days. Therefore by Scripture, grammar, and logic the 6-days of creation are the same length.

If you had any Scriptural support for your heresy you would leap to give it, but having none, you sink to ad hominem attack.
---Warwick on 9/14/09


//you as you have clearly exposed, and vigorously defended numerous antiBiblical views

In stating that the Genesis record does not reveal the duration of the creation days, is not an antiBiblical view to those who can read.

You seem to demand that other Christians accept what has been presented to you on some kind of platter and without question.

Only a fool would do that as there are false teachers who seek only their own passions and yours seems to be recognition for something you are not.2Ti 4:3

Frankly, it is doubtful we can have a civil discussion as you clearly lack the ability to view any subject from a critical and analytical standpoint.
---lee on 9/14/09


Matt 12:11
And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

Luke 13:15
The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?

This is what Christ says about the sabbath.
---miche3754 on 9/14/09


When you call me, or anyone, a fool, you truly disclose your heart. I thank you for that. Having been insulted by experts I am immune to the childish taunts of the amateur.

Even should I be tempted to create a straw-man, I would not have to do it with you as you have clearly exposed, and vigorously defended numerous antiBiblical views. Why would anyone need to create anything in regards to you?

Isn't it revealing that you throw often innapropriate Scriptural quotes around but fail to do so when challenged upon creation day-length and your undermining of the gospel. Hypocrisy!
---Warwick on 9/14/09




Lee: "Such are fools"

Tsk, tsk! My, aren't we grumpy today?
---jerry6593 on 9/14/09


Warwick //Lee while there are wolves in the fold I will not relax.

That task should be left to Spirit filled christians who have the gift of discernment. 1 Cor. 12:10

As apparently you are unable distinguish a true christian from a wolve in the fold, it is best that you left that task to others.

What you and sometimes Jerry, actually do is find something you disagree with and then build a strawman that totally misrepresents what one really is.

Such are fools that believe they have the right to judge other for their spiritually or lack thereof.
---lee on 9/13/09


Donna // Jesus gave NO instruction to His followers regarding the Sabbath.

Perhaps the problem we see is that there is this teaching that Jesus should be our example. However, Jesus was a jew raised in the Mosaic tradition. He was circumcised, observed the festivals, paid the temple tax, etc.

Gal.4:4-5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

Before the resurrection Christ lived under the Old Covenant laws but after the resurrection we see the ushering in of the New Covenant of the Church. So much of what Jesus told the Jews pertained to the Old Covenant dispensation. Agree?
---lee on 9/13/09


We are spirit creations ("new creation" INside Jesus's body is SPIRITUAL) and are hidden and protected from the law (Jesus is our sabbath rest, there is no more sabbath DAY).

JESUS did "the works of God" and our priveledge is to TRUST that those "works" are completely sufficient for us to have salvation (they should be made "manifest in" us so that we REST in The Lord [and be bored]...the sabbath REST.

John 6:28
"What should we be doing to do the works of God?".

John 9:3
"the works of God...be manifest in"...US.

Ephesians 2:15
"by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments"...and the rules (ordinances) of propriety/properness.
---more_excellent_way on 9/13/09


lee- I agree with you. Jesus gave NO instruction to His followers regarding the Sabbath.
He, himself, didn't keep it according to Jewish law. Did HE spend the day resting at home? No. He was out, accompanied by his disciples, eating corn in the fields, teaching and healing others.
Luke 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
Of course, He had rested from His CREATIVE work long ago. The disciples needed only to follow Him. And when He was crucified and rose again, He completed His REDEMPTIVE work. The REST, for a believer, then, is to REST from their works of the flesh and REST in what He has already accomplished on their behalf,
---Donna66 on 9/13/09


//Those who truly love Jesus will WANT to obey Him by keeping His Commandments.

Totally true but in believing specific OT commands are applicable, it is rather obvious as you willfully ignore those verses in the New Testament that tells us we need not esteem one day over others, or observe the Levitical dietary laws - laws designed specifically to set the Jewish nation apart from other peoples. Romans 14.

Of course, you need the means to commend yourself in comparing yourself to others.

2Co 10:12 For we dont dare classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. But in measuring themselves by themselves and comparing themselves to themselves, they lack understanding.
---lee on 9/13/09


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Those who truly love Jesus will WANT to obey Him by keeping His Commandments. He will in turn provide His GRACE to empower us to obey Him. Those who don't want to obey (for whatever reason) will not be given this grace. We can't create a religion of our own choosing and expect God to go along with it. But we can choose God's way and He will indeed bless us for it.
---jerry6593 on 9/12/09


The Weymouth version truly reveals that when we attempt to add some requirement to our salvation or walk, we truly have fallen from grace.

Ga 5:4 Christ has become nothing to any of you who are seeking acceptance with God through the Law: you have fallen away from grace.

And such are those that say we must observe a certain weekly day in order to be acceptable to God.

What gina fails to understand is that one does not find any command or even a suggestion in scripture that the Jewish Sabbath be observed, nor do we see it anywhere in the teachings of the early church.
---lee on 9/11/09


Gina7 --- What is Grace? Is there such a thing? If Harold didn't talk about "Grace plus" but only "Grace", what would he mean? If Grace exists, what must we DO to obtain God's Grace?
---Donna66 on 9/10/09


//Do you obey only becauise it is the law? Or, do you follow Jesus:

We need only to follow that new nature that came with our spiritual rebirth. At that event we became a new creation in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17)and we should acknowledge the fact that "it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" Php. 2:13.

But the problem with the legalists is they reject that as such things as the dietary laws & Sabbath observance have to be learned as such does have come from that nature as wrought by the indwelling Spirit.
---lee on 9/10/09


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>they tell you that salvation is by grace alone, and then tell you that only those obedient to the law (esp. the Sabbath commandment) will be saved eternally and that only after their theory of Investigative judgment.

The question is why do you obey the Law? Do you obey only becauise it is the law? Or, do you follow Jesus: If ye love Me, keep my commandments? The Law is based on the moral principle of love: love God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. It all based on Scripture and thus there is no contradiction.
---dconklin on 9/10/09


When one becomes a Christian wrought by the ministry of God's Spirit, many things change in the life of a person. Things he used to love, he finds he now hates, things that he used to hate, he now lovesl "for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure". Php. 2:16.

However, it is not the testimony of the saints of His church, that the Spirit works within the believer to get one to observe the Jewish Sabbath or the dietary laws - scruples held by all too many legalists and Sabbaterians.
---lee on 9/7/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Who is so foolish, having begun in the Spirit, to think we're now made Perfect in the Spirit by our flesh trying to keep the Sabbath Day. (Gal.3:2-5)

You know not what you worship if you believe you must rest & worship here in this place or over there, or do it on this day or that one(John 4:21-24). The Sabbath is a day of rest made for man away from the heavy burdens of the world.

When it come to keeping the Sabbath, the day is insignificant. What is significant is abiding in Christ where the Righteousness of all the Commandments of the Law(like the Sabbath) are aways Fulfilled in us, by being under the easy yoke of Christ whose burden is light.
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/7/09


I'm formerly SDA. I subsequently saw from scripture that "I'm saved by grace" and not grace plus something else..
---Harold on 2/16/08

Why is obeying Jesus in keeping the Sabbath Holy considered "Grace plus"? Why isnt keeping the other 9 commandments He also wrote with His own finger considered "Grace Plus"? You have been tricked into disobeying 1 of the commandments. If keeping the Sabbath and being obedient is "grace plus" so it obeying the other 9
---Gina7 on 3/1/08


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gina = I am surprised that you do not understand that the millenium reign of Christ will be on this earth ending with the final judgment on Satan and the creation of a new heaven & new earth.

Yes, Irealize many people have a real problem understanding Revelation and the sequence of events.
---Lee on 2/17/08


It is easy to see why people can get so very confused with Adventism.

True, they tell you that salvation is by grace alone, and then tell you that only those obedient to the law (esp. the Sabbath commandment) will be saved eternally and that only after their theory of Investigative judgment.

In essence,they contradict themselves as well as the Scripture.

But such does characterized many of the cults.
---Lee on 2/17/08


gina - *How does God determine the passage of time then?*

Do you suppose He has a Rolex? Maybe an hourglass?

Time is a human concept determined by the relation of the earth to the sun. In the New Earth, there will not be a sun, so how then will there be a determination of when the Sabbath occurs?

This is clearly one area that Adventists simply will not be able to answer with their silly belief the Sabbath will be observed in heaven - all that junk is from the ravings of Ellen White.
---Lee on 2/17/08


I'm formerly SDA. I subsequently saw from scripture that "I'm saved by grace" and not grace plus something else. Listen to the SDA preachers. They say that "We are NOT saved by keeping the Sabbath but saved ONLY by trusting Christ, claiming the merits of His sinLESS life." However, they'll turn right around and portray it as Grace plus. Former SDA Pastor Dale Ratzlaff's "Sabbath In Crisis" helped me especially his understanding of Col. ch. 2. Harold
---Harold on 2/16/08


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The Sabbath day was made for man, not man for the sabbath. And it is very clear, that it is given as a day of rest, without which we wear ourselves down. God did not want that to happen, and he gave it to us, to renew ourselves with. It is no longer a command, but, something that we can look very forward to, like a gift, from the God that loves us so.
---Gayla on 1/20/08


An interpretation of Isaiah 65/66 that the Sabbath will be observed in eternity but such conflicts with other scripture.

Rev.22:5 states there will be no day or night to make it possible to determine when the sabbath would occur.

---Lee on 1/17/08
How does God determine the passage of time then? The 1000 years with Christ, how is that period of time measured to know when it has ended? "And they lived and reigned with Christ 1000 years" Rev 20:4 ??
---Gina7 on 1/19/08


"And they lived and reigned with Christ 1000 years" Rev 20:4

In the presence of Christ and the Father, there will be only endless light and no night/dark, so how is the 1000 year period measured, to know when it has ended?
---Gina7 on 1/19/08


Kim: Exo 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---jerry6593 on 1/18/08


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*1/In the coming world the Sabbath will be for everyone, not just those you give a name to.*

An interpretation of Isaiah 65/66 that the Sabbath will be observed in eternity but such conflicts with other scripture.

Rev.22:5 states there will be no day or night to make it possible to determine when the sabbath would occur.
---Lee on 1/17/08


Hebr. 4:8-11 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered Gods rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
---lee1538 on 1/17/08


Kim We who advocate anything must insure bfore we write we check if we have it right. 1/In the coming world the Sabbath will be for everyone, not just those you give a name to. 2/The Sabbath is for everyone who now wants to dedicate the day to Yahueh. 3/Adam rested on the Sabbath. 4/Eve was not created at this stage. The Sabbath was made for man not for spirits "angels" Seek the truth Jer5:1 Dont try to blow something out of the water which will be around FOREVER.
---Toby on 6/10/07


Obey God in all things. Thus saith the Lord.
---catherine on 5/28/07


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Those who insist that we should rest on Saturday, I wonder whether they work all the other six days?
If not, how do they justify their disobedience?
---alan_of_UK on 5/28/07


Jesus said, "My Father works on the Sabbath, and I so do I."
---Jack on 5/28/07


JR - Isaiah paints a picture of a new heaven & new earth to come in Isaiah 66:23 but you really need to view that section in its context. For instance 66:21 speaks of the reinstituion of the Levitical priesthood - a priesthood that pointed forward to Christ and was fulfilled by the priesthood of Christ. Also view 66:24 speaks of dead bodies - something I rather doubt you will view in the heavenly scene.
---lee on 1/17/07


Lee - "You clearly cannot support any idea of Sabbath keeping in heaven without violating the definition of what a day is"

This statement is true if we try to comprehend the power of God and heaven through our earthly minds.

Isaiah 66:23 "... and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord"

Verse 22 shows it's talking about the new heaven. So obviously GOD intends sabbath worship to continue into heaven.
---JR on 1/17/07


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Geoff - *The issue in Acts 15 was salvation by circumcision*

You really need to study Acts 15 instead of listening to those who know nothing about it. The issue was more than just physical circumcision.

Acts 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.
---lee on 1/16/07


Geoff - But circumcision has always been a matter of the heart & faith in Jesus Christ-

Not true that circumcision has ALWAYS been a matter of the heart as a child on the 8th day underwent physical circumcision - a jewish custom with nothing to do with the heart or faith.

*What did that have to do with keeping the 4th Commandment?*

Simply that the 4th commandment is part of the Mosaic law and not imposed on the church. We see that from the decisions of the Jerusalem council.
---lee on 1/16/07


Lee1538, on 12/23 you said "the Sabbath... totally negat[ed] the decisions of Acts 15"

The issue in Acts 15 was salvation by circumcision

Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved-v1.

But circumcision has always been a matter of the heart & faith in Jesus Christ-Deut 10:16, 30:6; Jer 4:4; Rom 2:29

What did that have to do with keeping the 4th Commandment?
---Geoff on 1/16/07


jana - *Without law, the whole world would be a right mess,...*

True, however if people were to obey the commandments that Christ gave us to love one another, then most of those problems would vanish.

Sabbath keeping does virtually nothing to the relations between neighbors.

*...for breaking the law is sin 2 Him*

But breaking a law that is obsolete or not applicable to the church certainly cannot be a sin 2 Him -right?
---lee on 1/7/07


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and Lee without Law you wil not be able to have that faith in Christ, for breaking the law is sin 2 Him and being obedient to these laws given for rightful living helps u know that by being obedient to them, u r obedient to the very God u worship.Without law, the whole world would be a right mess, whereas of now with law, theres order altho like u, law breakers r making the world a ugly place 2 b in right now
---jana on 1/7/07


jana - your reply does not make any sense.

The Pharisees of Christ's day were very careful about obeying Mosaic law but they extended upon it considerably thus removing the spirit behind the law.

I would say that legalists of today also walk in their shoes as they reject the view that the righteous must live by faith alone and not by laws. Romans 1:17 And they further reject the view that there is a righteousness apart from the law that is accredited to the Christian. (3:21)
---lee on 1/6/07


Exactly Lee,n just as He can be of the Trinity also.Made of a woman made under the law/types of ceremonial systems:Adoption of sons:Faith in Christ released them from dependence on the types of ceremonial system n gave them fullrights n heirs to the promised inheritance.We cannot be saved by the 10laws, but in obeying its commands, we there4 attain rightful living n heaven.
---jana on 1/5/07


Exactly Lee,n just as He can be of the Trinity also.Made of a woman made under the law/types of ceremonial systems:Adoption of sons:Faith in Christ released them from dependence on the types of ceremonial system n gave them fullrights n heirs to the promised inheritance.We cannot be saved by the 10laws, but in obeying its commands, we there4 attain rightful living n heaven.
---jana on 1/5/07


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Lee..we r not modern day Pharisees..Pharisees r those who stick to teachings not of God and force others to do the same..and we r not like that..it seems you have a ravenous taste for attacking others instead of preaching your understanding of truth..Your still at it Lee..sdas r preaching truth it seems otherwise u would have stopped by now hahah...
---jana on 1/5/07


Jana - Your view that "Jesus also is the Law.." really does not fit with the New Testament Scripture as how then could Jesus redeem us from the law if He Himself was the law?

Gal. 4:4-5 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---lee on 1/5/07


Lee, Jesus also is the Law..You should know that by now..the 10cs are a transcript of His character which we need to conform to..and included in these 10 laws is the Sabbath rest. Jesus the Word John1:1,2 and Law. why do you go to church one day a week?whose idea was it...
---jana on 1/4/07


Gina - *We are obedient to Jesus, because we love Him...*

being obedient to jesus does not mean that you cannot sleep with your husband during your menstrual period (Lev. 20:18) or follow other obsolete laws given only to the Jewish nation.
---lee on 1/2/07


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Lee "For the Christian, Jesus is 'the way, the truth and the life' (John 14:6);" Amen. We are obedient to Jesus, because we love Him, who gave his life for us.
---Gina on 1/1/07


Gina - *The path that says "Be obedient to God" is truly the narrow way*

For the Christian, Jesus is 'the way, the truth and the life' (John 14:6); not some obedience to laws such as Sabbath keeping - a thing made into an idol or fetish by the Pharisees and their modern day SDA equivalent.
---lee on 1/1/07


Craige "Being IN Christ is the only way that God can see you as having perfectly kept all of these commandments. God bless" Thank you for your comments Craige.This is very true. Being IN Christ the Father sees the Son's perfection,& we should desire to keep all 10 commandments and IN Him, He will write the Law upon our hearts so that we desire to do so. Hebrews 8:10.I believe that The Father seeing the Son's perfection, does not allow us to willfully sin,& obedience should not be labeled badly.
---Gina on 12/23/06


Rev22:14,15"Blessed are they that do His commandments,that they may have right to the tree of life,and may enter in through the gates into the city.For without are dogs, and sorcerers,and whoremongers,and murderers,and idolaters,and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie" The 10CC? Liars break 9CC, whoremongers break 7CC, murderers break 6CC, idolators break 2CC, Sorcerers break 1CC Here we have the words "do His Commandments" then we are given examples of commandment breakers who are lost.
---Gina on 12/23/06


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Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame,and am set down with my Father in his throne." Jesus did not set back and do nothing, He overcame the devil. Those who sit with Christ in His throne will know the struggle, know what it is to overcome. Those who sin are not overcomers! There is power in Christ to overcome all sin. Those who overcome, sit down with Christ in his throne, as He also overcame,and sat down in His Fathers throne.
---Gina on 12/23/06


"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation;for when he is tried,he shall receive the crown of life;which the Lord hath promised to them that love him"James 1:12How do we endure temptation?By not giving in to temptation,not sinning!Those who do not sin obtain the Crown.Christ living in our hearts,gives us the desire to obey,&power to overcome. Rev 3:21"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,even as I also overcame and am set down with my Father in his throne"
---Gina on 12/23/06


"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate,and broad is the way,that leadeth to destruction,and many there be which go in thereat; Because strait is the gate,and narrow is the way,which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it" Matthew 7:13,14 In these last days, full obedience to God & all 10 CC, is the strait & narrow gate as very few believe God at His word and choose to remember the Sabbath.
---Gina on 12/23/06


The path that says "Be obedient to God" is truly the narrow way, as the wide and broad gate says "Commandment keeping frustrates the grace of God, you do not need to be obedient, come in over here" even though the Bible clearly shows that sinners, those who break the 10CC, end up in the lake of fire! Rev 21:8 and those who keep the Commandments will enter the Holy City Rev 22:14. Be not deceived: if you sin, you are a sinner. If of God, you do not sin. 1John3:4-10
---Gina on 12/23/06


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Geoff - It is not just Lee & Kim but orthodox Christianity that differs with the SDA.

The SDA does not make any distinction between the Old & New Covenant, Jews & Gentiles, believing that the Christian is under the Old as well as the New Covenant dispensations.

Under this belief, the SDA truly supports the Judaizing Galatian heresy forcing the Christian back under the Mosaic laws, esp. the Sabbath and totally negating the decisions of the Acts 15 Jerusalem Council.
---lee1538 on 12/23/06


Lee we cant believe your still at the Sabbath of God issue again...Goodness, your preaching error to new comers on this blog and you definitely is working for the devil...you preach apostasy brother, you surely do...what abomination you are...
---les on 12/23/06


Does Rev.22:14 make reference to the Mosaic 10 commandments or simply the commandments of Christ? As the Christian is under the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2), all the requirements for our fellowship with Christ are fulfilled.
---lee1538 on 12/22/06


Gina- You used Rev.22:14. this verse plianly says that those who enter heaven are those who have kept all ten commandments. But then it tells the way (and the only way), that all ten can be kept- By the faith in the cleansing power of Christs blood. It even lets you know that you have to constantly walk in that faith. Being IN Christ is the only way that God can see you as having perfectly kept all of these commandments. God bless.
---craige on 12/22/06


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Gina - *It will still be a 24 hour day of all light.*

Revelation 22:5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

Since a day is defined "the period of light between one night and the next; also : daylight ..." there cannot be any such thing as a '24 hour day'. You clearly cannot support any idea of Sabbath keeping in heaven without violating the definition of what a day is.
---lee1538 on 12/22/06


Lee1538 and Kim, YES we know Who rested on Sabbath-Gen 2:2-3, Heb 4:4. Heb 4:11 says "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." It's because God rested He asked us to do the same-Ex 20:11. God told the Jews not to murder, He doesn't want us to either. God's people are God's people, same God, same religion, OT & NT.
---Geoff on 12/21/06


Lee1538 "Laugh of the day??? If no sun, then no sunlight!" Yes Lee, no sun in the earth made new, but there will be Jesus and the Father, and their light will be all that we need. It will still be a 24 hour day of all light.
---Gina on 12/20/06


Gina - *Just bec there is no night in heaven, does not mean there will not be days. The days will just all be 24 hour sunlight.*

Laugh of the day??? If no sun, then no sunlight! You really have an obsession with your Sabbath thing like the Pharisees of Christ day.

Revelation 22 also has a verse "Blessed are those who keep his commandments,..."

The commandments of Jesus, not the Mosaic Commandments. You are reading into that verse something that's not there.
---lee on 12/20/06


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Hello Lee. Just because there is no night in heaven, does not mean there will not be days. The days will just all be 24 hour sunlight. How else do you know when the end of the 1000 year millinium is (which is in heaven) if time is not calculated?
---Gina on 12/20/06


Revelation 22 also has a verse "Blessed are those who keep his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" verse 14. Those who keep all 10 commandments, have washed their robes in the blood of Jesus (justification when we come to Christ) and have walked with Him in faith, keeping the commandments.
---Gina on 12/20/06


Josiah - Isaiah 66:23 is sometimes used by Adventists who want to believe that the Sabbath will be observed in heaven. However if you view the NT, there will be no day or night in heaven for one to determine when the Sabbath begins or ends.

Revelation 22:5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.
---lee1538 on 12/19/06


Josiah - Isaiah 66:23 does not fare well with the Adventists belief that the Sabbath will be a thing of the future. If you take the time to read the verse in context, you will notice that a previous verse 66:21 speaks of the restoration of Levitical priesthood - something that pointed forward to the priesthood of Christ.

Adventist theology is rather poor as they try hard to shoehorn their beliefs into the scripture but they simply do not fit.
---lee1538 on 12/19/06


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Josiah - you may wish to read the previous posts since these topics you bring up have already been covered in some detail. Better yet pick up a copy of "Sabbath in Christ" by Dale Ratzlaff as the book is apologetic in nature and answers nearly all the support that Adventists use for their unique doctrines.
---lee1538 on 12/19/06


All of humanity will learn and keep God's Sabbath:"From one New Moon to another, and from Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me, says the Lord" Isaiah 66:23
---JOSIAH on 12/19/06


Excellent scripture Lee! People just cant believe that the way to enter THAT REST is by faith in the shed blood of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Their unbelief is staggering. Jesus IS "That rest."
---craige on 12/18/06


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