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What is the big or small difference of a Catholic compare to Christianity? I know about Christianity and salvation!! But what must a Catholic do to recieve salvation? Is is wrong to date or marry a Catholic?

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I volunteer at a Christian camp during the summer and every year there are catholic campers who say that when they die they will do to purgatory. The consolers at this camp thing this means the child dose not think they will go to heaven, but in fact the opposite is true. Purgatory is not a cosmic waiting room. It is the process by which we are glorified. So when Catholics say that they will go to purgatory when they die it is actually a conformation of their salvation.
---Julia on 2/26/08


Mike:: What I see here is honest, some vociferous, like plants reaching up to the SUN for the light but still undecided out of fear so they stick with thir decision.because they believe "I am Right"overlooking the fact Of the book of Truth& sayings of the most Powerful lie on the shelf.Unfortunately some WILL fall by the wayside & the birds of the air will devour them.
---EMCEE on 11/6/07


Do you pray to the pictures of your kids or mom? do you have hope in their supernatural power to do you favors?. In South America People dance and drink heavily as a way of pleasing the saints. The catholic church sells candles to light in front of the images. to be truthful, those events are fun fun fun. they are just like a mardi gras. I used to be among the dancing crowd. But now I see all of that as Idolatry. Have you read your whole Bible? Or you rather let the wise priests read it and guide you?
---George on 1/26/07


Emcee, I should use devotion for what? Are you suggesting the order of the "Cult of Mary" which is the official name of the order of the cult of Mary should be changed to the devotion of Mary. Don't talk to me about it, nor can I reccommend who you would talk to about that.
---jhonny on 1/26/07


Augusta if it's so easy to sell statue kissing foot rituals as love, then why bother to remove the second commandment.
---jhonny on 1/26/07




*Augusta: In Southamerica (where I was born), Italy, Mexico, Spain, and the lativm world, the saints in the churches have the feet so worn out that in some cases you can barely distinguish one toe from the next, because people kiss them or touch them so much, waiting for favors. If that is not idolatry then what is?*

I've kissed photos of my children and my mom. And if that's idolatry instead of love then I'm guilty as charged.
---augusta on 1/26/07


Augusta: In Southamerica (where I was born), Italy, Mexico, Spain, and the lativm world, the saints in the churches have the feet so worn out that in some cases you can barely distinguish one toe from the next, because people kiss them or touch them so much, waiting for favors. If that is not idolatry then what is?. Watch Southamerica and see! you will open your eyes when you see officially RC countries. In America, the rcc doesn't do that so much because EVEN the RCs have some Bible culture, thank God.
---George on 1/25/07


jonnhy::You use the wrong word Replace culy with Devotion & then it makes sense
---Emcee on 1/24/07


Popr John Psul 11. His order was the Cult of Mary. The Cult of "Mary" Anyone who looks at the cult of "Mary" from the standpoint of Scripture can see that ... The Cult of Mary has grown tremendously in the past two centuries. ...
---jhonny on 1/24/07


Is that how you ask questions Jack, by just being insulting. If you get the answer fine but who care's eh Jack. Here's your answer anyway, for what it's worth.
Foresters, Orders of -- Britannica Student Encyclopedia
Foresters, Orders of. ... Foresters, Orders of. Student Encyclopedia Article ... dates from 1790 when order was known as Ancient Royal Order of Foresters; ...
---jhonny on 1/24/07




Catholics ARE Christians. They do the same things you do to receive salvation. They believe that Jesus Christ died to save them from their sins.
---Paul on 1/24/07


**Pope john paul the second belonged to the "Cult of Mary". **

Aside from the fact there is no such relgious order as "Cult of Mary," what on earth do you mean by "order of foresters?"
---Jack on 1/24/07


**
Augusta - I'd like to ask you a question. Does the church where you attend have statues in it? If so, who are they statues of?**

The Baptist church I was raised in had cloth statues in it. We said prayers to them in Vaction Bible School.
---Jack on 1/24/07


There are numerous orders in the Cath. church. The order of foresters, the dominicans, the jesuits, are a few more well known. Pope john paul the second belonged to the "Cult of Mary". For those who don't know, I'm not insulting anyone, that's just the name of the order. Each order has a patron saint, in addtition catholics can be instructed to a certain saint for illness of kinds. A problem when praying in community organized ecumenical prayer many don't pray in the name of Jesus Christ.
---jhonny on 1/23/07


Augusta - I'd like to ask you a question. Does the church where you attend have statues in it? If so, who are they statues of?
---Helen_5378 on 1/22/07


Hello Bruce, you are perfectly correct in your points. I had read the other post on here and was in complete agreement with you in what you stated. I guess when someone has been with a church so long and only knows that, its hard to change, but that is what repentance is, a big change in our way of life. We do have to listen to instructions from God, as obedience to His word and not traditions. Thank you brother for correcting me in my statement. I might have made is sound like I agree with them staying.
---lisa on 1/22/07


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PART ONE:
Lisa,
"I believe inside the Catholic church are many who do not worship saints, who do not believe in works, but faith in Christ Jesus for their salvation. But continue to stay for loyalty to the Church."

II Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


PART TWO:
... for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


lisa, I've been a Catholic for 6 years and I've yet to meet a single Catholic who worships saints. The difference being I know them and you don't. These same Catholics that you probably suspect worship saints are usually the ones who attend mass every single day (opposed to just Sundays) to worship the Lord.
---augusta on 1/22/07


I believe inside the Catholic church are many who do not worship saints, who do not believe in works, but faith in Christ Jesus for their salvation. But continue to stay for loyalty to the Church. So to include all of them is not completely true. I would doubt an indiviuals salvation if they continued to worship Idols and still believe that by doing works they can be saved. It would only prove that their salvation is not of grace through faith in Jesus Christ and place them as not Christians.
---lisa on 1/22/07


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Jack has a sharp intellect and a sometimes abbrasive way about him. Personaly I like it. Since Jack is a brother in the Lord we are to accept him and his sometimes caustic approaches. I love him and his direct ways.
---Ryan on 1/22/07


Jack has a sharp intellect and a sometimes abbrasive way about him. Personaly I like it. Since Jack is a brother in the Lord we are to accept him and his sometimes caustic approaches. I love him and his direct ways.
---Ryan on 1/22/07


Jack, I got it from Scripture. I print it for you and many times even interpret it for you just so that you don't have to just answer without checking. You don't have to believe in my Truth, you can believe in yours if you like. God has a sovereign purpose that He's working out in the world that is beyond me. What is not beyond me is that which God demands of me. We are called to earnestly contend for the faith. In Jude, we are told we need to snatch brands out of the burning, that we need to go on a
---lisa on 1/21/07


2. a rescue operation right into the teeth of error, and get people out of their without getting ourselves polluted and defiled. The work is so dangerous that we need to know very clearly that we'll not perish in the process because He's able to keep us. I have no responsibility for the decree of God and I have no responsibility for fulfilling God's sovereign plan, I am left, therefore with only one responsibility and that is to be faithful to the proclamation of the gospel..
---lisa on 1/21/07


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3. faithful as a believer to maintain as pure a heart as I am able through the Holy Spirit that helps me, before God so that I'm useful, and faithful to contend for the faith. How God implements my service is His problem. You have really two choices, one, if you are not saved, it won't matter to you at all, and nothing has been lost since you are not saved. Second, if you are saved you should want to know if what is said is the truth, because Christ means more to you then anything.
---lisa on 1/21/07


4. Yet, the outcome is still in God's hands since He already knows your heart and where you are heading. I have no control or ability to change anyone's heart or for that matter to see someone's heart to know if they are saved or not. The only person I really know is saved is me. Since my faith is in Christ Jesus. I have really no doubt.
---lisa on 1/21/07


Ruben,
I did not say Catholic belief is that you are not saved by grace. I said "do not believe that you are saved by grace through faith and not of works"

From the article Justification in the Catholic Encylopedia.:

Reference is made to the heresy "that faith alone suffices for justification, and that consequently the observance of the moral law is not necessary either as a prerequisite for obtaining justification or as a means for preserving it."
---BRUCE5656 on 1/21/07


PART TWO:


The article goes on to discuss the "process of justification is then brought to a close by the baptism of water."

The article on baptism says: "Baptism is held to be necessary both necessitate medii and prcepti." Medii is defined as indicates a thing to be so necessary that, if lacking (though inculpably), salvation can not be attained"
---BRUCE5656 on 1/21/07


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PART THREE:
the Council of Trent (Sess, IV, cap, vi) teaches that justification can not be obtained, since the promulgation of the Gospel, without the washing of regeneration or the desire thereof (in voto), In the seventh session, it declares (can. v) anathema upon anyone who says that baptism is not necessary for salvation. "
---BRUCE5656 on 1/21/07


Caring - You should speak for yourself, and let others speak for themselves. :)
---Helen_5378 on 1/21/07


Helen, were his statements about your words correct? Please deal with that.

He used hyperbole, that is all. Get over it, please.
---Observer on 1/21/07


What I see and one of the reason I reject Roman Catholicism is because there is too much superstition in their beliefs. They demand that you beleive a miracle has happened when they consecrate the bread but there is virtually no evidence to support that, thus all there is is supersitition.
It is easy to see why Voodooism borrowed heavily from Roman catholicism.
---lee on 1/21/07


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Jack - That is a horrible thing to say about Jesus. ---Helen_5378 on 1/21/07

Helen, you push people to the limit and more. Tone down your vicious attacks.
---Caring on 1/21/07


Jack - That is a horrible thing to say about Jesus.
---Helen_5378 on 1/21/07


Bruce5656 - :o) Hey, do I get one of those funny big square hats too?
---Helen_5378 on 1/20/07


Where did Lisa and Helen get the idea they were proclaiming the "truth of God?"

They wouldn't recognize the Truth of God if He came walking on bloody feet across their swimming pool, bearing fishburgers in His nail-scarred hands.

Besides, Helen has made it clear in many places that she doesn't believe in the real Jesus and 'struggles" to accept Christian doctrine.
---Jack on 1/20/07


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bruce-( we cannot continue to embrace them as fellow Christians) Bruce show me the official doctrine that RCC teach that we do not believe we are saved by grace. Now we can say the same thing about your beliefs, that we are saved by (faith alone) which the bible does not claimed.Does that make you not a christian? In Galations 5:6 " For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision or uncircumcision has any value, the only thing that matters is Faith working through love." that is what RCC believe...
---ruben on 1/20/07


If someone has to tell you they're honest, it means to look closer. You can't determine virtue by what a person says about themself. "By their frutis". Faith has a law. Faith reveals how you think, beleive,
imagin. Faith results in words and deeds.
In regards to using multiple names to create a view. Catholic intellectuals have a long well recorded history of cunning causuistry. Also known as dissemblence.
---jhonny on 1/20/07


Helen,
Well done. marquee, size, color...Take your books and move to the head of the class.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/20/07


** Also, the pope asked "forgiveness" for the "mistakes" of the past. looks good. but they hold their ex cathedra infalibility! if, ex cathedra, catholics where ordered to slaughter christians, confiscate bibles and take their property, are those not "mistakes"?**

"Ex cathedra" is very limited, and has been invoked only TWICE in the past, and I doubt you know when or about what.
---Jack on 1/20/07


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**if, ex cathedra, catholics where ordered to slaughter christians, confiscate bibles and take their property, are those not "mistakes"?**

Please give the specifics, whether "ex cathedra" or not, when the pope orderedd the slaughter of "christians" and confiscation of Bibles.

Bet you can't. ("Everybody knows about it," is not an acceptable answer.)

If you cannot give date, time, and specific papal statement, then admit it and retract your words.
---Jack on 1/20/07


Slogans that have never impressed me. I'm more impressed by demonstration of LOVE and respect towards my fellow friends, neighbors, etc.
---Caring on 1/20/07


Bruce5656 - Thanks! Here goes!

Jesus loves you

---Helen_5378 on 1/20/07


Lisa - Wondered why you hadn't replied about the moving words :o) Have you noticed that the ones that people really come against is those proclaiming the truth of God's Word? Keep up the good work.
---Helen_5378 on 1/20/07


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Also, the pope asked "forgiveness" for the "mistakes" of the past. looks good. but they hold their ex cathedra infalibility! if, ex cathedra, catholics where ordered to slaughter christians, confiscate bibles and take their property, are those not "mistakes"? how to hold ex cathedra infalibility and at the same time ask forgiveness? answer: being expert, shrewd politicians. but God is in control, and Jesus is gonna win over the devil.
---george on 1/20/07


I tell you, when it's hot in summer, it is refreshing to go down in the catacombs where it's nice and cool.
---Caring on 1/19/07

I'll bet it's cool in every way imaginable. ;) You are so lucky to live in such an ancient holy place.
---augusta on 1/19/07


*Augua ... You may be right that some people are posting in multiple names, in order to magnify apparently the number of people holding that view.
It's happened before ... so sad that on a Christian site, some would stoop to such deceit.*
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/19/07

Yes, it is. And they actually think people are suppose to believe they're mature Christians.
---augusta on 1/19/07


PART ONE:
Exzucuh,
First, I trust I never said anything that would lead you to believe that I do not think you are a Christian. We do not agree on everything but we do agree on the basis of our salvation.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


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PART TWO:
My point is, that we must look deeper than the superficial "confession". The case of the Mormon quotes makes that point. Mormons are not Christian in spite of their "Christian speak". When you get below the surface, there is no faith in Jesus as savior as you and I understand it in the Mormon religion.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART THREE:
Similarly, while the Roman Catholic Church may confess a belief that "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God", their theology of salvation is one of works, not faith alone.

If someone simply were to "confess" Jesus to be the Christ, the Son of God, we would have no choice but to give them the benefit of the doubt and to accept that at face value.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART FOUR:

However, if, as time goes on, we discover that while they have the right lingo they do not believe that Jesus is fully God (Mormon) or that they do not believe that you are saved by grace through faith and not of works (Catholic) we cannot continue to embrace them as fellow Christians.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


Lisa ... maybe there is another Lisa out there!
I found that there was another Alan, and so I added to my name to make sure I was not confused with him.
Perhaps you should add something to your name ... say, the state you come from.
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/19/07


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Augua ... You may be right that some people are posting in multiple names, in order to magnify apparently the number of people holding that view.
It's happened before ... so sad that on a Christian site, some would stoop to such deceit.
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/19/07


August the Great said: "Thanks & blessings, Caring, and have fun in those catacombs (I'm so jealous!)."

I tell you, when it's hot in summer, it is refreshing to go down in the catacombs where it's nice and cool.
---Caring on 1/19/07


Bruce , in the early church if you confessed Jesus was the Christ that alone made you a Christian as far as the Jews and the rest of the world was concerned. I am only concerned with what people believe is the Truth, You may not consider me a Christian, I am not a Trinitarian and I am not a Oneness, I do not believe in any doctrine that did not come out of the mouth of Jesus or the original Apostles, I accept only the king James Bible and have complete confidence in it's translation.
---exzucuh on 1/19/07


Are you suggesting that because of those statements we have no authority to say Mormons are not Christian?
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07

Where in the Bible does it say you have this authority?
---augusta on 1/19/07


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Lisa "that last post by the name of Lisa is not me at all. I would never called anyone what was said....."

Lisa, I think it's obvious some are making up new monikers to post under to taunt the Catholics here. It's a shame some can't debate the issues witout acting so childish & dishonest. I'll take your word for it that you haven't resorted to this, though.
---augua9846 on 1/19/07


Helen, that last post by the name of Lisa is not me at all. I would never called anyone what was said. It is not from me so I want to make sure. I don't use another name for I believe that is decietful. I believe someone is using my name to post bad stuff on line. If I see post not pertaining to me I will make sure to say it. Could be someone wants others to think it was me. Another new trick many will do just to hurt someone else.
---lisa on 1/19/07


2. Though I don't believe in many doctrines in the Catholic church I would never say they are not saved, condemn, or say, right from the devils mouth. I try very hard in not mentioning the devil unless replying to an act of him in Scripture or to the doctrine spoken of. I think it is real terrible how some resort to words of hate to others. I am sorry Augusta, I would never say anything like that to you as you have seen from my post.
---lisa on 1/19/07


Exzucuh
I ask you what you thought of those quotes because you seem to think that just because a Catholic says something like that it means they are a Christian.

"If they are for Jesus you have no authority to say they are not Christians"

Those quotes were taken directly from the web site of the Church Of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints (Mormon.)

Are you suggesting that because of those statements we have no authority to say Mormons are not Christian?
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07


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PART ONE:
Helen,
If you do a web search on "HTML formating" code you will find lots of things you can do like colors, moving text, bold, italic etc.

Not all HTML formating works but learning some codes gives opportunity to be much more expressive.

Here is how you make a marquee

< marquee > (insert your word or phrase here) < / marquee > Just remove all spaces.

That would look like this: (insert your word or phrase here)
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07


PART TWO:
Here is how you make bold (Are you listening Catherine?)

< b > sample text < / b > Again remove all spaces. Use i for italic, u for underline.
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07


The cathlic church is considered as I understand it the "institution of salvation" through a system of liturgical action. Now if a person leaves this catholic institution only to look for some other institution to give them salvation, they are still catholic. Ecclesiastical communion to get to salvation is a catholic propriety no matter what chruch or group they're in.
---jhonny on 1/19/07


<888888>Jesus is Lord
---Billy on 1/19/07


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When I was a child I was raised as a Roman Catholic they belive that you are born in sin and that you have to be baptized not long after you are born and when you die that you don't go to Heaven or Hell that you go to purgatory until judgement day.I don't think that it is worng to date or marry a catholic if oneis willing to convert and that both are the same faith I've seen that marriges don't last when there is two differant faiths jacqu3788
---Jacqueline on 1/19/07


Lisa - Can you please tell me how you make the words move? Is there just one word that you use between the <>?
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


*Augusta is of Latin origin and it means "Great" or "Magnificent" ---Caring on 1/18/07*


That would be me. ;o

*In the way she posts, she is living the meaning of her name. Keep it up sweet Lady.*

And you are so... Caring! :)



Thanks & blessings, Caring, and have fun in those catacombs (I'm so jealous!).

---augusta on 1/18/07


Amen, Jesus is Lord! Catholics, come out of the dark ages.
---X_catholic_too on 1/18/07

"NEW" "former-Catholics" come out of the woodwork. LOL




Come one mods.. be fair for once & post this. What's good for the goose, ya know... ;o
---augusta on 1/18/07


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Augusta and agusta are real names. You sound very holy with that name. That must prove that your ok.
---Mike on 1/18/07


Thanks, lisa. You can call me St. Augusta if you like. :)
---augusta on 1/18/07


If she is wrong why do you keep attacking or is that the Christian way??? Kick em while they are down?--NO because the truth Has set her free & that's what irks; that is why you attack sad .
---EMCEE on 1/18/07


Bruce that is a good confession for a Christian, both trinitarian and oneness will agree many catholics also but I think you know when it comes right down to the truth it has a lot to do with relationship, It is not my goal to mess with peoples minds, just hoping to open them up to something they have not thought about. Iron sharpens iron, and Satan defeats Christians through false doctrine and I am very tired of seeing people fall.
---exzucuh on 1/18/07


agusta or can we call you Gus? What are you saying about cafeteria Christianity. You shouldn't patronize your hangouts any more, you don't want to get spiritual food poisoning.
---Jim on 1/18/07


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Amen, Jesus is Lord! Catholics, come out of the dark ages.
---X_catholic_too on 1/18/07

We may when we see LOVE instead of hatred being practiced by most of you non Catholics.
---Caring on 1/18/07


Lee-Kay Both of you believe what Jesus said in John 14:6 " I am the way, the truth and the life" There is no thought in your mind about these words,now in Matthew 26:26 Jesus said " Take and Eat; This is my Body" Now do you believe what he said? Show the Symbolic,parable or even the metaphor of his exact words and which word was it that cost you not to believe "This","Is" or "Body"?
---Ruben on 1/18/07


Augusta is of Latin origin and it means "Great" or "Magnificent"

In the way she posts, she is living the meaning of her name. Keep it up sweet Lady.
---Caring on 1/18/07


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