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What Is The Age Of Accountability

What is the age of accountability according to scripture? Is there a certain age in years, please show chapter and verse.

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Pharisee, you cannot see we are all born with inherited corruption from the fall of Adam?

That's plain. What's in dispute with me is that this is what sends people to Hell; that's what YOU take the verse to mean.

None of you can admit that the verses in Romans that speak of all being condemned are true?

I do but I don't agree with the way you say it is, I believe the "condemnation" Paul is talking about is the first natural death and not the second.
---Pharisee on 4/19/08


Nana, I certainly hope you are not obliterated. I hope and pray you have eternal salvation. You misunderstood, your doctrine has been obliterated by the word of truth. By the way your mocking tone is unwarrented and typical of someone who does not wish to discuss the issue with biblical truth.
---Ryan on 1/7/07


Ryan it says sin was in the world and it was in the world as shown by Paul in Romans chapter 1 verses 19-21. That man was not without knowledge of their created state and that God existed, those who didn't respond properly to this reality sinned like Cain.

Certain things are a law unto themselves, no one needs to be told it's wrong to steal or kill or sodomize, these things are evident to man, but the things where there was no law and weren't clearly evident were not punished.
---Pharisee on 1/7/07


are you suggesting that Romans 5:23 is saying that everyone that lived from Adam to the generation prior to the Egyptian Exodus was not held accountable to sin?

NO
---Pharisee on 1/7/07


"Babies are born with a CONDEMNATION."
And that condemnation is natural death. They were born "under the law" just like Jesus was (Gal.4:4) to save those under the law of sin and death.

The condemnation is death, period, this is what Paul is talking about in Romans 5, Jesus died the same human death that we do this is what Paul means when he said "death has passed to ALL men"
---Pharisee on 1/7/07




#1 Kay, we are not born with a 'sin nature' we are born with a condemnation, there is a huge difference. All of mankind is condemned, we are conceived, born and have a temporal existence in enmity to GOd. Our flesh is in direct violation of God. Why do you think we cannot be in His presence. Babies are born with a CONDEMNATION.
---Ryan on 1/7/07


#2 Kay, Judgement was placed on humanity through one transgression. The judgement has not been forgiven; it has been paid for with the blood of Christ; again, huge difference. You are still conceived and born in a condemned condition but GOd has decided to impart grace; unmerited mercy.
---Ryan on 1/7/07


#3 Kay, He does not declare an age of accountability in his scriptures. He does not declare all babies are holy and He does not decree that all will be in the first resurrection. God says babies born to non-believers are unclean and babies born to believers are holy. Be thankful He imparted such mercy. Don't stare the Potter in the face and tell Him it's not fair. It is His sovereign right to create pots for common use and pots for holy use. After all, He is GOd.
---Ryan on 1/7/07


Pharisee, are you suggesting that Romans 5:23 is saying that everyone that lived from Adam to the generation prior to the Egyptian Exodus was not held accountable to sin? None of them had the law so they couldn't be imputed for it, right? Or let's say civilizations that never heard the law, they cannot be held accoutable or imputed with sin because they never had the law.
---Ryan on 1/7/07


Pharisee, the scripture in Romans 5:23 says sin was in the world. Cain did slay Able and man was wicked. Man built the tower of bable, from the fall to the flood man grew increasingly wicked, and let me let you in on a little secret; Man has not changed he is still wicked from his youth. The only thing that has changed is how God has dealt with us, a fallen creation.
---Ryan on 1/7/07




Hey Kay, why don't you two just let the bible interpret itself like you said it does? ;o
---augusta on 1/7/07


Ryan, I said nothing about FULLY understanding sin. Babies don't understand sin at all. Even though they are born with a sin nature, they haven't committed any sins. How can they be accountable for sins that they haven't committed? So when that baby stands before God to answer to Him why he/she didn't receive Jesus as Savior, what will that little baby or unborn baby say?!
---Kay on 1/6/07


Ryan, the passage in Romans shows that we all have a sin nature. This passage doesn't prove that babies go to Hell.
---Kay on 1/6/07


"The closest thing to an 'age of accountability' that I can find in the bible is CONCEPTION."

Ryan, you can't be serious. How can unborn babies acknowledge sin? How can they acknowledge their need for a Savior? God knows that those babies don't have the mental capacity to acknowledge something like that. I don't want to sound rude, but your understanding is unrealistic and unjust.
---Kay on 1/6/07


Accountability = the state of being accountable, liable, or answerable; responsibility to someone or for some activity.

Ryan, tell me exactly how an unborn baby (especially 1st trimester babies) can be responsible for sins that they haven't committed? Explain to me how those babies can answer to God for activity that never took place? How can they be liable for a sin nature that they didn't have the mental capacity to acknowledge?
---Kay on 1/6/07


Nana, you're welcome and thank you.
---Kay on 1/6/07


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There is nothing in God's law that says man must fully understand sin, before it is actually sin.

Not true.

Rom 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
---Pharisee on 1/6/07


Kay, you need to ponder this statement:

There is nothing in God's law that says man must fully understand sin, before it is actually sin.

It is biblicaly accurate. Usually I don't quote men but his statement is profound and has a resounding ring of truth. Romans 5:18 Through one man all are condemned; weather you understand it or not..
---Ryan on 1/6/07


In Romans chapter 7,Paul said "I was alive with oout the law once, but when the commandment came sin revived, and I died." The age of accountibility is when "Thou shalt not"...is understood by the human conscience,guilt is experienced.
---Ben on 1/6/07


The closest thing to an 'age of accountability' that I can find in the bible is CONCEPTION.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


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Ryan, when I was a young Christian, I didn't know that worrying was a sin. Since I didn't know, how could I be accountable? That would be like punishing a child for doing a wrong when he/she didn't know it was a wrong. The child must be told that the particular act is a wrong before he/she can be accountable.
---Kay on 1/6/07


Thank you Kay, specially for your "wee bit" of
getting off subject. That surely is a precious
memory! The teaching on the "indwelling" and
the "filling" of the Holy Spirit is also precious!

Thanks to all you kind hearted brothers and
sisters for your wise blogs. All of you have
strenghtened my heart that I may bear with
gracious dignity having being "...obliterated byt
he Word of Truth."...
---Nana on 1/5/07


I suggest all of you who say that all babies go to heaven and that there is an 'age of accountability' google 'Tony Warren Is The Age of Accountability Biblical' for an honest and biblical discussion of this topic.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


#1 This is the most brilliant comment I have ever heard about the 'age of accountability' it is by Tony Warren:

The problem with this theory is that it is based upon the logical processes of fallen human thought, and is a perverse twisting of God's law for the sake of what seems right in our own eyes.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


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#2 There is nothing in God's law that says man must fully understand sin, before it is actually sin. On the contrary, this doctrine is both un-biblical and self serving, for it presupposes unrighteously that sin must first be recognized as sin before it is actually accountable. Nothing in scripture supports such a thesis.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


This reminds me of when my daughter was 3. She called herself Jessie the Baptist. She would "preach" for hours. Her favorite words to say were "Jesus died on the cross" and "Jesus died for you and me". She asked her "congregation", "when Jesus died on the cross, what did he die on?....A cross!" And her "choir" would sing "Noah THE Ark" by the tune of "Winnie the Pooh". Ah..the memories! I got off the subject a wee bit. Sorry.
---Kay on 1/5/07


"A child starts to learn while in the mothers womb. However the age of accountablility actually begins when he can make a informed decision on where they will spend eternity."

Jerry, I agree with you.


"My son was saved at 6, others have been from 5 to 7 years of age. It all depends on the child."

My daughter was saved at 6.
---Kay on 1/5/07


I don't believe that babies can be saved (have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) or even need to be saved.

"John the baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mothers womb"-Ryan

To be filled with the Holy Spirit is not the same as having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (which all believers have). To be filled with the Spirit is to be controlled by the Spirit.
---Kay on 1/5/07


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#2 Nana, If you say that an unborn, infant or young child cannot have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit you are wrong, 1) Because you are limiting the power of God & 2) You don't know your bible because John the baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mothers womb, Luke 1. So while a baby may not be able to confess Jesus is Lord God can still send His Holy Spirit to said child at any age.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


#3 Nana, Hence the beauty of I Corinthians 7:14, children of believers are holy, children of non-believers are unclean. Once again your man-made logic is obliterated byt he Word of Truth.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


#1 Nana, let us not forget Romans 3:23, all have sinned, Romans 5:12, all have sinned. And Romans 5:18, through one man's transgression all are condemned. And Psalm 51:5 everyone is conceived and born in sin. You quote Romans 10 but let us not forget that I COrinthians 12:3 says only by the Holy Spirit may someone confess that Jesus is Lord.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


Ryan,
"Are you disagreeing with the bible?" (---Ryan on 1/4/07)
No, just with you.

Romans 5:12: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into
the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all
men, for that all have sinned:"

That last verse speaks up to what you are saying, but lets
see the next verse:
Romans 5:13: "(For until the law sin was in the world: but
sin is not imputed when there is no law."
---Nana on 1/5/07


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Now I ask, What law is an infant aware of? Definitely not
the law Paul was speaking about. You may say that ignorance
of the aforementioned law is no excuse from it but:

Please read Romans 10, it is very short.
Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing
by the word of God." So I conclude that until the infant has
grown to hear the word of God and given a chance to grow in
faith, he is most definitely held blameless.
---Nana on 1/5/07


Proverbs 22:6, Train up a child ...,
A child should be trained in the ways of the Lord from birth. They will be able to understand as time goes by. It will come to them a bit at a time.
Some say 12 or 13 years old is the age of accountability. I believe it differs with each child. Once a child begins to clearly understand what certain things mean spiritually, concerning the do's and don'ts they should be held accountable.
---lynet on 1/4/07


Mima, I am not condemning Jerry, I am stating there is no scriptural support for an 'age of accountability' so therefore it does not exist. It is the teaching I am accusing as false.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


Ryan; perhaps you should be a little less condemning of Jerry. Just a suggestion.
---Mima on 1/4/07


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I haven't found scripture to support an age of accountability which leads me to agree with jerry. We know there has to be an age of accountability. God certainly wouldn't hold babies responsible. So it must depend on the understanding of each individual. My neice knew right from wrong and was very perceptible at 2. Some may not really comprehend the message of the Gospel until 9.
---faye4464 on 1/4/07


Jerry, your response for an age of accountabiblity has no scriptural support and is therefore a lie developed by the father of lies.
---Ryan on 1/4/07


Nana the bible says we are conceived and born in sin Psalm 51:5, all are sinners, Romans 3:23 & condemnation was brought to all men because of one transgression, Romans 5:18. Are you disagreeing with the bible?
---Ryan on 1/4/07


A child starts to learn while in the mothers womb. However the age of accountablility actually begins when he can make a informed decision on where they will spend eternity. My son was saved at 6, others have been from 5 to 7 years of age. It all depends on the child.
---Jerry on 1/4/07


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Proverbs 22:11: "Even a child is known by
his doings, whether his work be pure, and
whether it be right."

Proverbs 29:15: "The rod and reproof give
wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth
his mother to shame."

Oh, I do not believe in original sin. Now.
if one could get the baby to understand:
"Be ye holy; for I am holy." and he refuses,
then by all means hold him accountable!
---Nana on 1/4/07


A young Mom goes to the Doctor with
her 6 month old son. During the visit
she tells the Doctor that the baby has
become the rule in the house and asks
when could she begin training the child.
The Doctor repplied: "You have lost 6
months of training already".
Accountability? See I Samuel 3:10-14.


Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the
way he should go: and when he is old, he
will not depart from it."
---Nana on 1/4/07


Pharisee, every human is born condemned, the bible says so. You are not going to talk to me about this issue because your man made doctrines are being obliterated with the word of truth. You cannot see we are all condemned through Adam's transgression. You say God is a respecter of baby persons and the bible says God is a respecter of no persons. Woe to you Pharisee for the leaven that you teach.
---Ryan on 1/2/07


Pharisee, the basis for 'all have sinned' is the transgression of Adam, nbot the knowledge of gooda nd evil. You are not understanding what the bible says.
---Ryan on 1/2/07


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#1 Pharisee, you are trying to go to the question weather babies go to hell or heaven; this is not the issue. The issue is what resurrection do they partake in. Children born to beievers are holy if they die they will be in the first resurrection. Children born to non-believers are unclean; they will be in the second resurrection. Your skipping a step.
---Ryan on 1/2/07


#2 Pharisee, There are resurrections before any one is condemned to destruction or blessed with entrance to heaven. The question is not; do babies go to heaven or hell? The question is; which resurrection are babies assigned to?
---Ryan on 1/2/07


"it doesn't matter if you have the knowledge of good and evil."

Sure it does, that's your basis for "all have sinned." That's your whole argument, and that's the "condemnation" leading to human death.

No one is punished for this, and I might point out Jesus was born FULLY human and with the ability to know good and evil, and the Bible says he was "without sin."
---Pharisee on 1/2/07


To say they are not accountable is to say God is a respecter of persons, baby persons.

You're right, but still you don't understand.

All are accountable for being born with eyes open knowing good and evil, and the condemnation for this is human death and not damnation.
---Pharisee on 1/2/07


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"He must hold all accountable for the judgment of Adam"

Why is that? Natural law. Sin in the body is death to the body, no exception. In upholding this natural law God is Holy.

But in damning people to Hell for someone else's sin God would be unholy and unrighteous. Even unbelievers understand that.

The teachings you put forth have turned people away from God, I've seen it firsthand, and our God has said he would draw "all men" to himself.
---Pharisee on 1/2/07


"The knowledge of good and evil is not sin."

You've proven your ignorance.

Why didn't God want Adam to eat of the tree?

Because his eyes would be opened and he would know good and evil.

So if it's not what God intended for man but man has it, isn't that sin? In fact that's the very sin by which "all have sinned"

You don't know what you're talking about.
---Pharisee on 1/2/07


"If the knowledege of good and evil is sin than you are saying God is sinful, because God knows good and evil."

It's not a sin for God to have this, but for man to have it.
---Pharisee on 1/2/07


Pharisee, every human born is condemned.

You and I don't agree, and this is the absolute last time I speak to you on this issue.
---Pharisee on 1/2/07


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Pharisee, nowhere in the bible does it say that unborn, infant and young children are not accountable for the inherited condemnation of Adam's transgression. To say they are not accountable is to say God is a respecter of persons, baby persons. Since God is not a respecter of persons He must hold all accountable for the judgement of Adam, regardless of age. Here in lies the beauty of I Corinthians 7:14; He rewards the obedience of the elect by deeming their children holy.
---Ryan on 1/1/07


#1 Pharisee, it doesn't matter if you have the knowledge of good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil is not sin. If I commit an evil act and I do not know it is evil does my ignorance make the act any less evil or excuse me of any consequences?
---Ryan on 1/1/07


#2 Pharisee, It was not the knowledge of good and evil that brought upon the judgement of Adam's transgression. Adam's transgression was the cause, the effect was the knowledge of good and evil. Don't confuse the cause (Disobedience) with the effect (Knowledge of good and evil). If the knowledege of good and evil is sin than you are saying God is sinful, because God knows good and evil.
---Ryan on 1/1/07


#3 Pharisee, An evil act done in ignorance does not equal innocence to the one performing the act. If a tree does not know it is producing rotten fruit, does it make the fruit any less rotten? Every seed of Adam is condemned for sin because of the trangression of Adam; no one is excused from the judgement of Adam.
---Ryan on 1/1/07


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#4 Pharisee, All humanity deserves eternal death and destruction, but through God's Grace He has chosen remnants to be in heaven? Is this not the very definition of grace? Scripture does not say that children born to believers are beyond the ability to comprehend good and evil. The verse in I Corinthians 7:14 says the marriage bond is sanctified and the children are holy because of the Blood of God's Passover Lamb.
---Ryan on 1/1/07


#5 Pharisee, The children are born holy, not under the condemnation of sin. This does not mean they can still choose to deny God. I Corinthians 7:14 is a promise, under the new covenant, to believers, that their children are holy until such time the child makes a choice to be disobedient to God.
---Ryan on 1/1/07


Do children of Pastors obey their parents all the time? No, a pastor's children can be just as disobedient as the next bunch.

The children are the same because they both die a physical death, was the child somehow born without sin? Holy YES in that the lord will guide their lives and temper their temptations to bring them up in faith, but the Sin/Death/Condemnation Romans is talking about is being born with the intellect to know good and evil, and it still exists in "holy" children.
---Pharisee on 1/1/07


#1 Pharisee, you continue to claim that GOd makes babies and they're some kind of innocent.
---Ryan on 12/30/06

My point is not that their innocent, but not accountable.
---Pharisee on 1/1/07


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"else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."

With Christian born children God makes honorary covenant, this is purely God's gift to those who love him, it doesn't mean that the child is now without the ability to know good and evil, WHICH is what we are REALLY talking about.

Do you remember in Acts, peter pronouncing salvation to a household? Acts 11:14, 16:31
This has nothing to do with being born in a different condition, but rather with a different provision.
---Pharisee on 1/1/07


Ryan is correct. I have heard many sermons on the fate of children and never do I hear 1 Cor 7:14 quoted. Why? Fear of the true sovereignty of God. I would ask an explaination of "otherwise" in the scripture if not to denote an alternative state of being. Sanctified or unclean?
---Buzz on 12/31/06


Pharisee, why do you accuse the bible of being untrue? All have sinned, Romans 3:23. Children born to believers are holy, I COrinthians 7:14. Children born to non-believers are unclean, I Corinthians 7:14. Nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of heaven, Ephesians 5:5. The bible explains the salvation of unborn, infants and young children very clearly; you choose not to listen.
---Ryan on 12/31/06


#1 Pharisee, every human born is condemned. If it were not so than what would be the significance of Christ's birth. For before the boy ate curds and honey He could refuse evil. Christ is the only person born innocent. To say that all men are not born unclean is to deny the innocence of the Christ.
---Ryan on 12/31/06


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#1 Pharisee, Because Adam transgressed all fell to judgement. One result of the transgression was sin and death entering God's creation. Man is flesh and the Spirit of God cannot strive with the flesh because the flesh is in subjection to sin and death. It is the inabiblity of man to refuse evil that makes him unclean. I pray for you that you will finally see the truth because your mind is so wrapped up in human precepts and doctrine.
---Ryan on 12/31/06


#3 Pharisee, everything I say about the destitute nature of man is well documented in the Word of GOd. I fear for your ability to understand truth because your concept of GOd is based on general principals you have infered from the Word of God; that is dangerous because it gives license to man to manipulate scripture.
---Ryan on 12/31/06


#4 Pharisee, All of humanity is judged. No one is excluded from sin not even babies in the womb, Psalm 51:5. No one is innocent except the Holy Lord Jesus; Praise be HIs name. I Corinthians 7:14 says children born to believers are holy all others are unclean and Ephesians 5:5 says nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of God. Were it not for Christ's atoning blood no one would deserve to go to heaven and all would suffer physical death and eternal destruction (Or second death).
---Ryan on 12/31/06


#1 Pharisee, you continue to claim that GOd makes babies and they're some kind of innocent.
---Ryan on 12/30/06


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#2 Pharisee, Was it not a baby that grew into Adolph Hitler? Were not Stalin and Mussolini babies; all of them made by GOd; according to your definition? Made as vessels of wrath endured by God so that His rithteousness may be exalted. Read Romans 9:20-24. You are the pot yelling at the creator saying, 'why did you make us like this?' First death or second death doesn't have much bearing on this issue because without Christ everyone would go through both deaths.
---Ryan on 12/30/06


trying to explain something you've evidently read somewhere & don't know.

Why not just say you disagree? (let your no be no) take your own advice because you don't know me or what God has done in my life.
---Pharisee on 12/30/06


Every human is born unclean.

That's a presumption that you shouldn't make...while it's true we are born in the shadow of Adam - GOD CREATED US. God makes unclean things?

Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Look closely Bob I am not the one with contradictions.
---Pharisee on 12/30/06


BoB what I am saying is given by the Holy Spirit, not so I can be right, but because Ryan said that God throws babies into Hell.

It's a misrepresentation of God's Character throuh a centuries old near sited interpretation of scripture.

And I payed about this to make sure I wasn't fighting my own battle with my own ideas, but the only reason I've written at all is because what was said about God.
---Pharisee on 12/30/06


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Pharisee, what human is not worthy of the second death? Every human is born unclean. Nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of heaven. The only ones that are cleansed are the ones God has chosen to bestow mercy. All have sinned all are unclean and all humanity deserves two deaths.
---Ryan on 12/30/06


Pharisee, the best way to answer you is not to answer at all on this subject. Maybe your yea should be yea, & your nay, nay, as you're all over the place, answering & contradicting yourself, trying to explain something you've evidently read somewhere & don't know.

Take time to digest what you've read as you do your food, to benefit from it's contents, avoiding the 'junk food/info'. Your spirit man will be much stronger & settled [Prov.4:7-12]!

Happy New Year!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 12/29/06


Most of our religion is verbal. What of a severely mentally retarded person, a mentally ill person who twists reality, or the person who hears false teaching and never hears the truth? For what are they held accountable by a just God.
---Charles on 12/29/06


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