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What Is The Origin Of Christmas

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December 25th was the Victory of the Sun-God Festival in the pagan Babylonian world.
- In the ancient Roman Empire, the celebration can be traced back to the Roman festival Saturnalia, which honored Saturn, the harvest god, and Mithras, the god of light, both were celebrated during or shortly after the winter solstice.
---AG on 12/6/07

Always On - Christmas replaced the pagan holidays and usurped some their traditions to produce Christian teaching tools. If you intentionally observe pagan rituals and worship pagan gods on Christmas then you are not a Christian and I could not have fellowship with you. But I doubt that is the case, or at least I hope not.

God Bless.
---lorra8574 on 7/16/07

#1 If Christmas has pagan origins, might these scriptures be applied to its observance?:

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1 Cor 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

---AlwaysOn on 7/16/07

#2 Deut. 12 be not snared by following them, ...and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods... What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

---AlwaysOn on 7/16/07

#3 Jeremiah 10:2-4 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
---AlwaysOn on 7/16/07

The most important thing to remember is this. On December 25, do you celebrate the birth of Jesus or worship Sol Invictus?

Pagans are opposed to celebrating Christ's birthday on December 25, but I am not a pagan and I think that too many are trying to do away with Christian reforms and bring back all the pagan holidays that we worked so hard to replace.
---lorra8574 on 7/15/07

After Messiah's actual birth, I don't see his birth celebrated anywhere else in scripture. When did Christmas start being celebrated as an actual holiday?

For those of you who believe it to be of pagan origin, do you not celebrate it at all or do you just celebrate it on another day?
---AlwaysOn on 7/15/07

Yes. Over and over again.

However, as I posted, the Wikipedia article on Christmas has information that flies in the face of the conventional wisdom linking 25 December to Saturnalia or the birthday of Tammuz/Mithras/Nimrod. (Isn't it strange that all three have the same birthday? Could it be that someone had an axe to grind?)
---Jack on 7/15/07

In the Bible they call her Istarte, Nimrod is called Baal or Talmuz. She says that everyone who loves Nimrod should put presents under the tree for Nimrod (who was dead). This is where the Christmas tree came from. The bible says in Jeremiah 10:1-4 not to learn the ways of the heathens and continues describing what we do during the Christmas holidays. Nimrod was known as the "SUN" god.
---Kimberly on 1/18/07

On December 21st the pagans thought the sun was dying (actually from 21st 24th of December). On 25th of December the sun hits the earth one minute longer. That day became the day of the Unconquered Sun. So, they would light big fires because they thought it would help the sun come up. They would light a Yule log at the base of the fire which is why Christmas is called the Yuletide season...
---Kimberly on 1/18/07

The origin of Christmas is very deeply rooted in paganism. Depending on where the people were located there were different names for the pagan gods that were worshipped on Dec 25th. I will list a few:
Baal worshipped in Babylon
Saturn- worshipped by the Romans
Cronos worshipped by the Greeks
Mithra worshipped by the Persions
These names are attributed to Nimrod. And his history gives a clue as to the beginning of Christmas and the Christmas tree.
---Kimberly on 1/18/07

The Christmas tree is the evergreen tree. Nimrod marries his mother and has a child by his own mother. Nimrod dies an early death. So his wife says a day after they buried him, an evergreen tree sprang up at the head of the grave. Nimrod was reborn in her womb and the evergreen tree represents Nimrod being alive in her which would be his brother / son since she was his mother / wife.
---Kimberly on 1/18/07

I am not sure how true this is but I learned from somewhere that when Jesus was bedecked with the crown of thorns, then crucified on the tree, the Catholics of old later on bedecked the holly tree with decorations and used the idea of giving presents as at the birth of Jesus. A pagan thing...makes one wonder..**

This makes no sense whatever. How do you get by logic from crucifixion to holly (which is a bush, not a tree)?
---Jack on 1/10/07

It is unfortunate that our christian iconagraphy and traditions are rooted in paganism. The process is to weigh the merit of truth and make the necessary separations. The world is infected with falsehood and fraud and most religious people will go along for the sake of some perceived higher principle like their comfort zone. Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
---jhonny on 1/4/07

I am not sure how true this is but I learned from somewhere that when Jesus was bedecked with the crown of thorns, then crucified on the tree, the Catholics of old later on bedecked the holly tree with decorations and used the idea of giving presents as at the birth of Jesus. A pagan thing...makes one wonder..
---mam on 1/4/07

Did you have something to say on the subject that nobody here has heard before, Audrey?
---Jack on 12/26/06

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