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What Is Replace Theology

Explain 'replacement theology Many commentaries use the vineyard parable -LK20, M21 and Mk12, as basis for non-believing Jews being rejected by God, so 'believing, gentiles' are new heirs to the covenant promises. vs. being 'grafted-in' Romans 11? contradictory or are these commentaries faulty?

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LEEJ Paul repuked peter for:Galatians 2:14.. walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel.

and here is the deatal: Galatians 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself,

and here is the "gospel:" Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners ( TRANGRESSERS OF THE LAW in peters case prejudice), is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
---francis on 11/15/10


francis, actually Galatians is about the false doctrine of REPLACEMENT Theology. Paul begins by it being accursed. THAT was the issue in Galatia...Jews trying to make Gentile Christians Jews.


Paul states many times here in Galatians and other places...no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female but a NEW CREATURE in Christ.

You see, the New creature In Christ is NEITHER! This is what Paul taught all through out his epistles.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/10


God is not a racist nor respector of persons. The truth is, hell is spilling over with both antiChrist Jews and antiChrist nonJews.
---Eloy on 11/15/10


francis //Apparently peter ( and also Paul) was compelling converted gentiles to live as jews, and there was no problems with that

So all believers lived as JEWS
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If there was no problem than why did Paul rebuke Peter in the first place?

Ga 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Sorry but the passage does make distinction between Jewish believers and Gentile believers.

Jews, historically, did not eat with Gentiles nor associate with them if at all possible. This was one of the major problems in the early church.
---leej on 11/15/10


Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Apparently peter ( and also Paul) was compelling converted gentiles tolive as jews, and there was no problems with that

So all believers lived as JEWS
---francis on 11/15/10




BETTER PROOF:

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

How can we be abraham seed ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE, WHICH IS IN ISSAC and not be JEWS?
---francis on 11/15/10


...some would have us to believe in,...

But such are the legalists (modern day Galatians) that reject what Christ did for us on the Cross and advocate salvation by works of the law.
---leej on 11/11/10

If referring to Trav. He would have you believe in what GOD reveals. Observation is, some like to cherrypick the areas they like and preach/deny that which they don't....understand. Scriptural witnesses grind non prophetic allusions to dust.

Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 11/13/10


The false doctrine that some would have us to believe in, is that Gentile Christians being grafted into the branches of the olive tree (Israel) must come under the Old Covenant dispensation and have to observe specific OT laws such as keeping the Jewish Sabbath, the dietary laws, and for some even the national feasts.

But such are the legalists (modern day Galatians) that reject what Christ did for us on the Cross and advocate salvation by works of the law.
---leej on 11/11/10


Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert GRAFTED IN among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree, ---francis on 11/9/10

....this one is misunderstood as well....branches broke off....wild Olive. Both refer to the Divorced 10-11 nations of Israel. They lost their Husband, their GOD. Judah was not divorced at the time...but all Israel became "Widowed" at Christ death. In this manner can the new Covenant come to effect...and the marriage laws of GOD not be broken.
I know it doesn't mesh with Doc/denom logic....but denoms are not GOD. It does have witness with all prophets and scripture We should be careful who we cling too.
---Trav on 11/11/10


this one will take you a while before you get it
but it is further proof that the church is israel.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: FOR SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS

THIS IS STILL TRUE TODAY, salvation message is still brought to the world by the Jews
---francis on 11/5/10

Francis, you're great....but, look just a little deeper. Judah does not equal all ISRAEL. Only 1/13th. Now you may not know who they are...and I may not....but, GOD does, Jesus did and stated that is who he came for. Judah brought Jesus....Jesus brought the rest of ISRAEL...12 more nations. Divorced, lost their married name...but still same people. Matt 10 lost Sheep.
---Trav on 11/10/10




Gal 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?


OR

Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

OR

Col3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

or

Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/10


Rom 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly...but he is a Jew who is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart.... God only calls those who have a circumcied heart Jews
---mike88874 on 11/5/10


I like this post, it clearly makes ALL believers in christ, all who are circumcised in heart, ALL JEWS.
---francis on 11/10/10


kathr4453
In all these cases, what do None Israelites become once they have accepted Jesus:

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and of the household of God,

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert GRAFTED IN among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


fELLOWCITIZEN OF WHAT?
ADOPTED IN WHICH FAMILY/ DO ALL BELIEVERS JEW AND NONE JEW SAY ABBA TO THE SAME FATHER/?
GRAFTED INTO WHAT?
---francis on 11/9/10


//francis, yes salvation is OF the Jews, but does not say, salvation is becoming a Jew.

That was the issue at the Jerusalem Council Acts 15, namely that Gentile converts need not be circumcised and follow the law of Moses. (see 15:5)

Circumcision is the entrance rite into Judaism and once a convert becomes circumcised, he is obligated to follow all the tenets of the Jewish religion including the feasts, dietary law, Sabbath observance, and the like.

Adventists deliberately distort Acts 15 and say that the issue was only circumcision of Gentile converts, as they want to pitch observance of the old Jewish sabbath, nowhere taught in the NT or by the early gentile church.
---leej on 11/9/10


Rom 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly...but he is a Jew who is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart.... God only calls those who have a circumcied heart Jews
---mike88874 on 11/5/10

mike88874, in the OT times, Jews were God's chosen. So teh term Jew would be = to today Christian or desciple. One would actually say TODAY,

For he is not a CHRISTAN who is one outwardly...but he is a CHRISTIAN who is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart.... God only calls those TODAY who have been circumcised with the Circumcision made without hands in the putting off of the Body of Sin by Jesus Christ COLOSSIANS 2 as CHRISTAIN'S/ Disciples, OR NEW CREATURES!!! no longer Jew or Gentile.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/10


francis, yes salvation is OF the Jews, but does not say, salvation is becoming a Jew.

In other words francis, salvation is NOT of Joseph Smith or any foreign cultish gospel not founded upon any other covenant than the one given to Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

It's not of Buddha, Allah etc!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/8/10


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Rom 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly...but he is a Jew who is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart.... God only calls those who have a circumcied heart Jews
---mike88874 on 11/5/10


GOOD PROOF THAT THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


If it is true that God/ Jesus did make a new covenant with israel, then those who accept the covenant should not be called the church, they should be called ISRAEL or JUDAH.

The truth is we call those who accept the covenant not israel, not judah but THE CHURCH

That was good proof, i still have BETTER and BEST proof to come
---francis on 11/5/10


this one will take you a while before you get it
but it is further proof that the church is israel.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: FOR SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS

THIS IS STILL TRUE TODAY, salvation message is still brought to the world by the Jews
---francis on 11/5/10


francis, I guess you never read Deut Chapter 7 ????
---kathr4453 on 11/5/10


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francis, what you are saying does not measure up to Ephesians 2:14-16

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace,

16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

How could this be true in the Old testament? This is New Testament truth!
---Laura on 11/5/10


Romans 11:26..all Israel will be saved, just as it is written,
THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.
[27]THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.

The passage speaks for itself.
---Rod4Him on 11/5/10

It is very simple...except for those who try and reshape it to personal needs like Katr below.
Heb 8:8 and Jer 31:31, state precisely. The word Gentile, means nations. Nations of Israel who were divorced. All of Israel will be saved as Romans states above. All Twelve are found marching through Rev 21 gates.
GOD loves ALL Israel. Israel is 12 time more than Judah. Jews, may not even be Judah that claim to be. Eat meat not Katr pablum.
---Trav on 11/5/10


The nation of Israel was created and chosen by God and no one outside of Israel received His oracles. The Israel nation has a special place in God's heart and in God's timing salvation will return to the Jews when the last Gentile walks in, says Paul in Romans 11:25 -

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

There's only one way to heaven, from the OT saints to the last saint - "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
---christan on 11/5/10


kathr4453 on 11/5/10
I do not fully understand your question.

First of all there are NO OT LAWS prohibiting Jews from keeping company with none jews. remember Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called you.. to be a light of the Gentiles

There is no way to evangalise people without interacting with them.

Then there is the religious proselytes ( NONE JEWS who had converted to judism)

But here is the best part, when jews interacted with None jews as given in the OT, the same laws the jews followed was to apply to none jews. Even from OT times there was to be no difference between jews and none jews in christ.
Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
---francis on 11/5/10


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Acts 10:28

28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, OT LAW, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

francis, how does this verse say the Church is now Israeli Jews?

It means that TODAY In Christ, Jews are no longer Jews,(CLEANER AND BETTER than anyone else! You become a New Creature in Christ....not a NEW JEW!!!

I don't even become a NEW JEW!!!

Gentiles, Paul tells us in Galatians are NOT sinners of the Jews!!! Not under their old laws, sabbath keeping or anything Jewish related.etc.

The Church is ABOVE AND FREE. Promised to Abraham through Isaac!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/10


PROOF THAT ISRAEL IS THE CHURCH IN PURPOSE


PURPOSE OF ISRAEL
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles,
PRPOSE OF THE CHURCH
Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

one and the same.
Also I want to note that everything which was taught by the apostles and jesus to the ' church" came from a single course JEWISH WRITINGS.
---francis on 11/5/10


Romans 11: 25..For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, [26]and so all Israel will be saved, just as it is written,
THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.
[27]THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.
[28]From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers, [29]for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

The passage speaks for itself.
---Rod4Him on 11/5/10


And more proof that the church is israel

Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness (Matthew 8:10-12).
Jesus declaration stunned the listening crowd. The idea of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob sitting and eating with Gentiles was taboo, unless they had been converted to the Jewish faith! (Acts 10:28).
---francis on 11/5/10


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DEEPER PROOF THAT THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL

Hebrews 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God.

God's promise to abraham was not really the land of palestine, it was the new jerusalem. ANd the new jerusalem will be inhabited by the church / israel.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
---francis on 11/5/10


Rod4Him, Perfect.

The Church cannot replace Israel's promises and blessings. What God Promised through Abraham then through Jacob to Israel, can never be replaced by God giving Gentiles the Land Promised to Israel alone!!!

Isaiah 14...I will yet again CHOOSE JACOB and bring them back to the Land...is not to the Church. God never had a Church He Chose AGAIN, nor is the CHURCH called JACOB. Nor was the Heavenly CHURCH IN CHRIST promised any LAND!!!

All families of the earth are blessed through God's Promise to Abraham concerning SALVATION in Jesus Christ.





---kathr4453 on 11/5/10


//It was God who chose Israel and not Israel who chose God.//

This is true. However, a challenge is to reconcile that God (chose) made a covenant with Abraham, concerning the future Israel and the land, and if "the church" replaced--not became a part of--then God changed His mind and He can change it again, and there is no security in Jesus Christ. He might totally change what He intends to do in the future, His coming again, believers being with Him.

Are God's promises trustworthy?
---Rod4Him on 11/5/10


I Chronicles 16:15...Remember His covenant forever,

The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,

The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.

He also confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,

Saying, To you I will give the land of Canaan,

As the portion of your inheritance.

Did God change His mind? If He did, His promises are not trustworthy.
---Rod4Him on 11/5/10


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YET MORE BIBLICAL PROOF THAT THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL:

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jesus did not take believing israel to another fold, he brought the believing Gentiles into the fold of believing israel

the phrase we use is GRAFTED IN.

Now we have ONE FOLD church/ israel, and one shepard Jesus the Christ
---francis on 11/5/10


Not everyone born of Israel was saved, only those born of the Spirit of God was and is saved, who were given faith by God (see Hebrews 11). In other words, a Christian is a spiritual Jew. It was Paul who said, "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." (Romans 9:6)

Jesus Christ was born a Jew "for salvation is of the Jews."
---christan on 11/4/10

christian, Hebrews 11 said THEY died without the promise...THE PROMISE was the Holy Spirit, and also promised with the New Covenant that came into effect AFTER Jesus rose from the dead.

NO ONE IN THE OT had the Holy Spirit of Promise!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/10


The unblemished sheep being sacrificed in the OT was pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ, the nation of Israel was pointing to the church - which happens to be the chosen people of God. It was God who chose Israel and not Israel who chose God. Which now has found it's fulfillment in the Christian (the Body of Christ).

Not everyone born of Israel was saved, only those born of the Spirit of God was and is saved, who were given faith by God (see Hebrews 11). In other words, a Christian is a spiritual Jew. It was Paul who said, "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." (Romans 9:6)

Jesus Christ was born a Jew "for salvation is of the Jews."
---christan on 11/4/10


EVEN MORE PROOF THAT THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:


So ' church" is not unique to the NT. CHurch remains an assembly of CALLED OUT ONES, regardless of ethnic background.

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us,

Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us ( BELIEVING HEBREWS and them ( BELIEVING NONE HEBREWS), purifying their hearts by faith.
---francis on 11/4/10


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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Cor 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.
---micha9344 on 11/4/10


More proof thatthe church is israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Luke 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
---francis on 11/4/10


EVEN MORE PROOF THAT THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Both THE CHURCH to which Peter is writing, and israel of whome Moses wrote are HOLY NATIONS

Firsth Both are holy
Second Both are nations

Corinthians 12:20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
and yet they are ONE BODY
---francis on 11/4/10


francis - it is indeed unfortunate that while some identify the church with Israel, they advocate that one should observe selected Old Testament laws such as the Levitical dietary laws, the Jewish Sabbath, etc.

But in doing so, they ignore the decision of the Jerusalem council (Acts 15) that Gentiles need not observe laws that are distinctly Jewish in nature.

The Judaizers are well and alive even today and seek to deny the freedom we have in Christ.

Ga 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:...
---leej on 11/4/10


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More proof that the church is israel

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us],

who is BOTH: They are believing israel ( jews) and believing gentiles

Romans 15:27 For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

in this passahe THEIR is israel, and beleiving gentiles share with them is all spiriual things

BEST PROOF:
TWO OLIVE TREES:

good olive tree is ISRAEL, and unbelieving jews are broken off, believing gentiles are grafted in

Grafted into what: ISRAEL, Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness
---francis on 11/4/10


Thanks Rod4Him, I had no idea. The theology, as explained, is severly misguided and falls into the NT description of an anti-Christ though not "thee" anti-Christ.

Wow.
---larry on 11/4/10


The church did not replace israel.
the church is israel. Israel means A prince with God.

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Did Jesus replace israel?

church is israel:

Romans 11:17.. wert graffed in among them,.

Speaking to the church at Rome, BIBLE says they were grafted among THEM. Who is THEM but Israel the faithful.

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ..

Ephesians 2:19.. ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens..

Speaking to the non hebrew church paul makes then fellowcitizens with israel the faithful
---francis on 11/4/10


---Rod4Him on 11/4/10 has given a clear and definitive answer to what replacement theology is. It is a heresy. It is a false teaching that leads down the road of anti-semitism. Rod4Him is right in naming several churches that believe in replacement theology also among the churches that do not believe in replacement theology there is a certain segment of their congregation that either believe or lean in that direction. Again I denounce this is a heresy(a false teaching) and while I do not believe it will cost you your salvation it will keep you affectively climbing the poll of hate for the Jewish people.
---mima on 11/4/10


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Replacement Theology is a belief of the RCC/Orthodox church. They believe that "the church" replaced Israel. Therefore, most of the Old Testament references to Israel must be spiritualized to mean "the church." This teaching has been part of the basis of anti-semitism for about 1,700 years.
I think LDS and SDA fall into the category of a replacement theology belief.
In early church history, many "church fathers" believed this, using the fact of Israel/Jews were removed from Jerusalem.

Now that there are Jews back in the Land, it presents a problem for RCC/Orthodox, and they are still basically anti-semitic.
---Rod4Him on 11/4/10


A remnant really has no numbers. scripturally speaking,( in terms of those cho have faith in God) the remnant are those who remain faithful to God.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
---francis on 11/4/10


MarkV: "only the remnant of Israel will go through the gates"

And who are the "remnant"?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the "remnant" of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10 ... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Looks like that rules out all you anti-commandment, no-prophet types.
---jerry6593 on 11/3/10


" O LORD, save thy people,remnant of Israel.
Micah 2:12"

That is right, only the remnant of Israel will go through the gates v. 13. The Messiah will make ready the way, removing the obstacles which might hinder His remnant's deliverance and return at the Second Advent (Isa. 11:15,16, 52:12). In the beginning the second oracle, Micah first addressed Israel's corrupt rulers, as in (v. 2:1,2), who should be aware of injustice. Yet their conduct toward the poor was like the butchering of animals (v. 2,3). Therefore when judgment came and they cried for help, God didn't answer them (v. 4).
God's chosen people, the Elect, the remnant will go through the gates.
---MarkV. on 8/25/10


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"I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal, Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the Election of Grace, and if by Grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace is no longer Grace"
---MarkV. on 8/25/10

Heb8:8

Jeremiah 31:7
Saith the LORD, Sing with gladness for Jacob,shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people,remnant of Israel.
Micah 2:12
I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of multitude of men.
---Trav on 8/25/10


God's Elect are the Remnant. For election declares that God, before the foundation of the world, chose certain individuals from among the fallen members of Adam's race to be the objects of His undeserved favor. These, and these only, He purposed to save. God could have chosen to save all men (He had the power to) or He could have chosen to save none (for He was under no obligation to show mercy to any) but He did neither. Instead, He chose to save some and to exclude others.
"I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal, Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the Election of Grace, and if by Grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace is no longer Grace"
---MarkV. on 8/25/10


//'believing, gentiles' are new heirs to the covenant promises//
Were the OT covenants earthly or heavenly?

What covenant promises, is the BoC looking for?

///are these commentaries faulty///
All commentaries are faulty, after all they are put together by common-taters
---michael_e on 8/23/10


All things being said, do not forget that there is a doctrinal thread throughout the bible called THE REMMANT
---francis on 8/19/10

Remnant a good word. How many make a remnant? Not specifically stated. Verify's,again what's being discussed though.
Jeremiah 23:3
And I will gather the remnant of my flock(Israel) out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds, and they shall be fruitful and increase.
This one is for Bob, of the 91 times found:
Zechariah 8:12
For the seed shall be prosperous, the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew, and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
---Trav on 8/21/10


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All things being said, do not forget that there is a doctrinal thread throughout the bible called THE REMMANT
---francis on 8/19/10


Are you saying that none jews are ot part of the covenant and are not one with the jews is salvation?
---francis on 8/17/10

interesting thing is, all scripture comes together perfectly when one doesn't exclude the 10 divorced entity's of Israel.

Judah/Benj does not equal all Israel. Judah 1/12th Benj 1/12th.
She represents part still married, but in denial of Christ the ten can be rejoined/grafted back.
Wife/Israel, was polluted by fornication/divorce. By his own marriage laws,GOD would have to die to free her in widowhood. What kind of GOD dies? ?
By YAHSHUA's death/sacrifice....the original bride 10/divorced is free to marry. Clean again/virgins. All 12 are found in Revelations.
---Trav on 8/19/10


Are you saying that none jews are ot part of the covenant and are not one with the jews is salvation?
---francis on 8/17/10

No. I'm not saying that. Start at Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31. What two parties are covenanted here. This new covenant will fulfill the two stick prophecy and all other O.T. prophets projections about Israel.
Link all witnesses. Here is one linking Heb 8:8.
Eze 37:16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17And join them one to another into one stick, and they shall become one in thine hand.

---Trav on 8/18/10


---Trav on 8/16/10
I am honestly not sure what you are trying to say. Help me.

Are you saying that none jews are ot part of the covenant and are not one with the jews is salvation?
---francis on 8/17/10


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Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of ISRAEL,

The other one is ISRAEL

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God, ---francis on 8/16/10

Francis, if you look to all the prophets who witness...the lights come on who is being spoken of here. Start with Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 and you immediately see the covenant was with the broken off (gentilized)part of Israel. The Nth House of Ten, Divorced brought back to the Sth house of Two.
12, disciples, 10 coins, 10 virgins, the tens tell you in parables.
All covenants,promises witness as well.
---Trav on 8/16/10


Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us],

Who exactly is BOTH refering too?
One of them surely is the gentiles

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of ISRAEL,

The other one is ISRAEL

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

Mow how can one get more israel that that?
---francis on 8/16/10


The church did not REPLACE israel. The church IS Israel. Jesus is also israel.
Hosea 11:1 When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Matthew 2:15 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

So God did not " plant" a neew olive tree, Neither did he uproot the old tree, he just broke off the dead brancches, and grafted new one in.

Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
What were they called before they were called christians?
A: Pagans
B: Jews
C: Greeks
D: Church
---francis on 8/16/10


---Rod4Him on 8/15/10 your post reminded me of conversation I had with a college professor in China. We were at dinner and as I explained the Gospel to the college professor she said to me. Yes I understand everything you're saying but were not the Crusaders Christians? She said I am not a believing Moslem but I am a practicing Moslem(customs). The lady was blinded by the Crusades and their cruelty to the Moslems from giving any consideration to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Devils had blind her from the truth.
---mima on 8/16/10


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If I am not mistaken, the RCC promotes replacement theology, the RCC replaced Israel. That's probably why the Sabbath got changed to Sunday, to separate the two. That's why in the early church period and later the Jews were persecuted. That's also one reason Israel/Jews are suspect of Christians today, and with good reason. "Christians throughout church history persecuted the Jews. It's a recent thought that the church didn't replace the Jews. I think the LDS, JW, SDA also believe that they replaced the Jews.
Being grafted in could mean being grafted into God's Kingdom, rather than specifically being grafted into Jewish Nation.
---Rod4Him on 8/15/10


Replacement theology is the truth that the sinner Israelite has given up their place of being the accepted by God, and they have been replaced by the obedient which is become the true Israelite accepted by God. The true Jew has no geographic or racial lines, the Christian which is a true Jew, can be born in Jerusalem, China, Russia, Asia, Africa, England, America, or anywhere at all. When a person is born-again from Christ they are translated from the kingdom of the world to the kingdom of Christ, and their name is written in heaven as a citizen of the New Jerusalem.
---Eloy on 8/15/10


Replacement theology is the truth that the sinner Israelite has given up their place of being the accepted by God, and they have been replaced by the obedient which is become the true Israelite accepted by God. The true Jew has no geographic or racial lines, the Christian which is a true Jew, can be born in Jerusalem, China, Russia, Asia, Africa, England, America, or anywhere at all. When a person is born-again from Christ they are translated from the kingdom of the world to the kingdom of Christ, and their name is written in heaven as a citizen of the New Jerusalem.
---Eloy on 8/15/10


Replacement theology is any belief,that replaces Israel with somebody else. The church believes it has temporarly replaced Israel. Remember the Gentile were grafted into the olive tree, and some of the branches wre cut off. Not all of the Jewish branches were cut off.The gentiles goined the Jews, The Jews did not join the Gentiles.
---mike88874 on 8/15/10


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"He came to his own, and his own received him not, but have done to him whatsoever they lusted, and have violated and by wicked hands have crucified and slain the Lord of glory. They have said among themselves, This is the heir, Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours. And they seized him, and cast out of the vineyard, and slew. When the Lord comes, what will he do to these? These sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness: there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For whosoever will reject me in front of men will be rejected in front of the angels of God. And the kingdom of God will be taken from the sons of the kingdom, and given to others bringing forward the fruits thereof." Read- Gal.3:26-29.
---Eloy on 8/15/10


I've Not read where the Jewish people was rejected by God. They rejected Jesus Christ for what He Is & stood for. So then Jesus turned to us gentiles. Aft the rapture, the door to us gentiles will be shut & then Jesus Christ will turn to the Jewish people again.

The last ( the gentiles ) shall be first, & the first ( the Jewish people ) shall be last.
---Lawrence on 8/13/10


There will come a time when everyone will know the Lord and the truth.
---tonne on 4/13/08


They broke themselves off and will stay off and be cursed unless they receive Christ there is no other plan of salvation. The Jews that were saved in the first Church, they are the remnant
The ones who followed Jesus and formed the Church at Jerusalem, most of all that Church were martyred,And they are crying now out to God to avenge their blood. They were killed for their belief in Jesus by the Jews and the Romans.
---Exzucuh on 8/13/07


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I find the whole "replacement theology" idea very dubious. If you don't believe me, just read Romans chapter 11, which is very clear that Israel has NOT been rejected. Esp. verse 24:

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
---Mark on 8/12/07


And that plan is the same plan that you obeyed and was saved, to accept Jesus the Son of God. That plan is to the Jew first and Jesus himself preached it to them, then Peter then Paul, Paul gave up and went to the gentiles. It was Paul who said he is not a Jew that is of the flesh but he that is circumcised in heart is a Spiritual Jew. There are no Jews outside of Christ only children of Disobedience of whom the wrath of God is upon.
---Exzucuh on 8/11/07


Any commentary or Bible teacher who teaches that the church, or Gentile believers take the place of Israel in the covenants God made is completely wrong. God "set aside" the Jews for a time, but, He still has a plan for the nation Israel. Revelation teaches this clearly.
---tommy3007 on 8/11/07


I would say that the two metaphors (grapes and olives) are complementary, rather than opposed.
---Jack on 12/28/06


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Read it for yourself. Forget everything you were ever taught about the bible, then read it with new eyes that see. The generations in Matthew would be a good place to start. Then read Luke "son of".
---discipleabct on 12/28/06


Tommy- I couln't have said it better myself.
---craige on 12/28/06


Recently after six months working with a man who believed in replacement theology(the Church today has replaced Israel) I saw this man pull back from this belief. People who believe this replacement theology always spiritualized every passage where it is possible to do so. Symbolism overwhelms their world. And literal interpretation is foreign to their way of thinking.
---Mima on 12/28/06


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