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Is Heaven Real

I want to learn more about Heaven. Is it real now, or only after passing away?

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real now, or only after passing away?

It's real now, and it's for the asking. Many have received the Holy Spirit and don't worship the gentle meek Spirit as God and do not understand that this is God/Heaven with us now.

Turning away from the Holy Spirit and back to your own intellect and ways is putting out the spirit's fire. Most people don't know how much of their own influence they are under.

What your asking for is the opposite and if you REALLY wanted it you'd likely have it.
---Pharisee on 6/4/08


It is not likely a physical location with in our three dimensional space time construct. But it is a relationship with God suitable for an eternal spiritual existence. More Biblical references state that we remain in the grave until a resurrection and final judgement and determination of our final outcome. Remember that "Absent from the body and to be present with the Lord" is a partial verse taken out of context that has nothing to do with the subject that Paul was teaching in 2Cor 5:6-10
---Phil_the_Elder on 8/28/07


John 14
14:2 In my Father's house ARE MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Hebrews 9
9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, WHICH ARE THE FIGURES OF THE TRUE; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

1 Peter 1
1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, RESERVED IN HEAVEN for you,
---Faith on 1/4/07


Jesus was transfigured on the Mount Of Olives. Heaven is very real.
---tonne on 1/4/07


Phil -- I am curious, Do you see the description of heaven in Rev. as symbolism and not the actual description of a place. For instants the 12 gates, the street of gold etc. I notice that many say all the streets of gold but the scripture is singular one street or square.
---Buttons on 1/3/07




We cant have the actual heaven now, but we can have what goes on in heaven here on earth, not many people believe this but rather keep on searching for Christ to come so that we can go to heaven and we can have an awesome time their w/ God, when we can have that awesome time NOW...isnt that awesome
LET YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH....AS IT IS IN HEAVEN
---mark on 1/3/07


Jack -- thats what I meant. I may have misread Phil's comment. But, I was wondering if Heaven is not a place at the present time, where would these men be now? And if we remain in the grave why was Moses not in the grave? Not that I am disagreeing with the point he (Phil) is making just curious as to some thoughts on this
---buttons on 1/3/07


Heaven is very real. It is a place where there is no more pain or suffering, where the streets are paved with gold, and you get to be in God's presence for eternaty.
---Leslie on 1/3/07


In the Early Greek manuscripts there is no punctuation. Luke 23:43 can be translated two ways depending where a coma is placed before or after TODAY and it placement changes the meeting from an immediate event to a future event both are equally grammatically correct.
And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." -- Immidient Event
And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise." -- Future Event
---Phil_the_Elder on 1/3/07


What Paul actually said: 2Cor 5:6-10 (ESV) So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
---Phil_the_Elder on 1/3/07




Buttons, Enoch and Elijah never died.
---Jack on 1/3/07


Phil, sad to say that I disagree with you. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. If we die and spend time in the grave, to me, that is punishment NOT to be with Jesus once I leave this earth and that would be cruel of Father God to do that to us after all the trials and tribulations we go through down here. I believe a Christian NEVER dies and DOES indeed go directly to heaven immediately once the body dies. To go to the grave would make the Resurrection of Jesus null and void.
---Donna9759 on 1/3/07


Phil, I guess you've never had the honor and privilege of hearing testimonies of anointed men of God being taken to heaven for a visit and to get a word from Jesus. Jesse DuPlantis is one of those men. You should buy his DVD, "Close Encounters of the God Kind." He is not making this stuff up and He did see lots of people there and kids too. There was too much truth for him to be lying. MANY people were already there and Jesus told him, "Tell my people I'm coming."
---Donna9759 on 1/3/07


Phil, Jesus told the thief on the cross, "Today you shall be with me in Paradise." Paradise is a city that surrounds heaven. There are many people there, including Abraham. He is the one who greets people as they enter heaven. So if Jesus told the thief TODAY you SHALL be WITH ME where? In Paradise...so Jesus went to Paradise too, no?
---Donna9759 on 1/3/07


If we remain in the grave until the finial resurrection why would Jesus be able to talk to Moses and where is Enoch and Elijah.
---buttons on 1/2/07


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John 5:21, John 5:25, John 5:28-29, John 6:39-40, John 6:44, John 6:54, 1 Cor. 6:14, 1 Cor. 15:12-32, 1 Cor. 35-57, 2 Cor. 4:14 2 Cor. 5:1-5, 1 Thes. 4:16. Donna as the references I have included declare, we are resurrected into glorified bodies to be with Christ and the Father in Heaven for Eternity, it most definitely does not happen immediately after our death, not until the resurrection of the dead.
---Phil_the_Elder on 1/2/07


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Donna9759, the issue is not how long eternal life last which is for ever; the issue is when does it start. There is a large body of scripture associated with the resurrection of the dead in general as apposed to the resurrection of Christ. If we were all ready in heaven in glorified bodies there would be no need for these scriptural statements. Matthew 22:23-32, Mark 12:18-27, Luke 14:14, Luke 20:27-38,
---Phil_the_Elder on 1/2/07


Phil, if we remain in the grave until a resurrection, then how come Jesus promised us eternal life and eternal means "never ending." God sent his only begotten Son that whosoever believth upon Him shall have everlasing life. Everlasting means lasting forever. THERE IS NO DEATH FOR THE CHRISTIAN. We pass from our carnal body into our glorified (Spiritual) body and into the realm of Heaven which is located far away above the clouds. Eternal means "NEVER ending."
---Donna9759 on 1/2/07


greetings.Heaven is real.It is real today and tomorrow.John said ,when he was viewing the activity on an inhabited sphere,there will be no need for the sun.Paul experienced a similiar picture where he later stated there was a greater enduring substance. Paul's account mentions a greater substance and it can be said that the elemental properties there are much greater than ours.John presents a uniquely advanced civilization.It will be amazing to see what the eye of today awaits to see tomorrow.
---earl on 1/2/07


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