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The Power Of Sin Is The Law

The power of sin is the law. Is this a true statement?

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Interesting Kathr4453, to be rich in FAITH gives one the advantage to be OVERCOMERS however, one can be rich in the faith and still be educated and a person of sustence.

Those who have turned to Christ after frying their brains on drugs & alcohol are least likely to ever succeed in this life and will always trail behind those in His church that have endeavored to become educated in His word.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


Bruce5656 //And yes, I already have a good track record of how God has used me in the various ministries He has called me into. But if I must boast, it has to be in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31."
Oops... Too late.

---
Yes, the churches are full of people today that have not endeavored to do anything. That is one reason that I have been active in Bible distribution society, teaching ministry, jail minisry, etc. and have received the testimony of some that have come to faith as a result of the Spirit's work in my life. I do not give myself credit for doing what God has me to do but in reality I can see I have not been fruitless.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


Some get the idea that one must be uneducated, poor from a lower economic and social class as well as having a lifestyle of gross sin, in order to be called of God . leej///

You went out of your way putting down those you stated were not as educated as you.

God calls the FAITHFUL and OBEDIENT into the ministry.

He shows us exactly how this ministry works,
Read:
1 Timothy 1:12
And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry,

2 Timothy 4:5
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.



No one needs a PHD to be an evangelist leading others to Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


Some get the idea that one must be uneducated, poor from a lower economic and social class as well as having a lifestyle of gross sin, in order to be called of God . leej///

Interesting Leej, to be rich in FAITH gives one the advantage to be OVERCOMERS.

God didn't promise the rich well educated people the promises He gave to those who overcome.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


Lee1538,
"And yes, I already have a good track record of how God has used me in the various ministries He has called me into. But if I must boast, it has to be in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31."

Oops... Too late.
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/11




Rena //The Just shall live by faith, not by intellect.

I have always believed that - Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:11

//You may brag of your riches, and still be found wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked in God's sight.

When the Apostle Paul was called by God, he was not poor, uneducated but a well trained and disciplined Pharisee and probably well off financially.

Some get the idea that one must be uneducated, poor from a lower economic and social class as well as having a lifestyle of gross sin, in order to be called of God .

There are many today who are leading pastors & theologians who were never poor nor were they uneducated.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


Trav, you want Scripture, here you go...

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John 1:17, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20.

Moses represented the law, Canaan represented the Kingdom of God and Joshua who led Israel into Canaan represented Christ and Israel represented His elect.

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1
---christan on 10/20/11


Rena, you are doing the very thing you accuse others of doing. If you really cared and believed in what you said, you would have not said anything. But you could not help yourself.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


lee1538, here is where I take issue with your stand. You go against the Words of God. The Just shall live by faith, not by intellect.

You may brag of your riches, and still be found wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked in God's sight.

James 2:5
Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

James 4:16
As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil.
---Rena on 10/19/11


OT teachings were a shadow of things to come. Eg,

God demonstrated through the nation Israel that:
- He chose Israel and not vice-versa, confirming election.
- He set them free from Egypt, confirming salvation is of God.
- ...
- the walk in the wilderness, confirms the sanctification of a Christian on earth.
- crossing to Canaan, is the final destination of the Christian going through that narrow gate.

Moses was "representing the law", that was why God forbid Moses to go to Canaan, confirming no man is going to heaven through the law.
---christan on 10/17/11

Interesting Allegory.

May be some additional to Moses being forbidden....

Put some scripture witnesses with it.
---Trav on 10/19/11




MarkV,

"a perverse man stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends" Proverbs 16:28.

Those who engage in this behavior do nothing but stir up trouble and cause anger, bitterness, and pain. Sadly, some people thrive on this and look for opportunities to destroy others. And when confronted, they deny the allegations and answer with excuses and rationalizations. Rather than admit wrongdoing, they blame someone else or attempt to minimize the seriousness of the sin. "A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul. The words of a gossip are like choice morsels, they go down to a man's inmost parts" Proverbs 18:7-8.

So what may I ask is your excuse and motive?
---Rena on 10/19/11


"Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" 1 Corinthians 1:20.

"Athough they claimed to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles" Romans 1:22,23.

"Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise." 1 Corinthians 3:18.

God seems underwhelmed by self-appointed 'wise men'!
---Warwick on 10/19/11


Poppa Bear, it is like mortal combat when someone disagrees with Kathr. Once she finds out your theology is God centered, she will come out with all sorts of distorted accusations and smoke screens. I've gone through this for almost three years. I started with respect, and loving kindness, but that love was thrown in my face. She even used my family to condemn me. If I agree with someone, she goes after them with a vengence. So it is hard to show love to someone like that. I read where lee first started to answer her with kindness at first, but that didn't do him any good. She turned on him too. She turned on Shawn T, and he left the site. It's awesome to discuss topics, but with some it's just not possible. She has power to cause you to sin.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/11


Wow, this blog is reading like a novel of Mortal Combat. We find one point of disagreement or a character flaw and start to dismantle each other. Gentleness, patience and all of that 1 Cor love stuff, does that only sound good in a religious conversation or when we are on the receiving end. Some are downright acting like spiritual bullies-assassins-vultures picking away at the souls of our fellow man/neighbor/Christian! I am not naming names, if you feel convicted then go to the Lord and make it right and perhaps set a different tone on the board. I am not without guilt, but am not without conviction either. We are taking every inch of ground in an argument and tossing love out the window.
In His grip
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 10/18/11


//You see LeeJ, Again, God CHOOSES the weak, BASE, uneducated etc, to bring to NOTHING those like yourself who think more of themselves than they should.

Yes, and perhaps that is the reason he chose you= uneducated, weak, base, poopinpants, etc.????

The Apostle Paul was not of the lower echelon but God had a purpose for him as He has had for me. So your reasoning that God always chooses the lower social strata is faulty.

And yes, I already have a good track record of how God has used me in the various ministries He has called me into. But if I must boast, it has to be in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11


Ginger, that was pretty hypocritical of you//Dan
Miche, you are everywhere spreading gossip.//Dan
Miche, you are a women who will not take correction, indicating that you also must have lots of problems at home if you are married.//Dan
Dan, I just read your last 20 posts. Seems as though you have an issue with women and feel it is your duty to correct the women on line here you dont like.

So with that Dan, keep your POT STIRRING comments to yourself, especially on threads you are not spiritually contributing to.


I'm really not impressed with any comments you've made so far anyway. NO MEAT!
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


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Lee1538
Reading your comments reminds me of Luke 18:9-14.
---Bruce5656 on 10/18/11


Wow, just listen to yourself Leej, again exalting yourself above all else and accusing them of being DRUG ATTICS AND ALCOHOLICS, because in your mind these people are stupid and uneducated.

So was Peter.

What did they say about him...."Look and UNLEARNED MAN!

You see LeeJ, Again, God CHOOSES teh weak, BASE, uneducated etc, to bring to NOTHING those like yourself who think more of themselves than they should.

Where is Giving God the Glory here? Are you saying God's Elect are all above average? Respect of persons?
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


Acts 4:13
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled, and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
.

Leej takes knowledge and calles them drug attics and alcoholics...
But wait...

Acts 2:13
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


Shawn, no problem, we can move on. I hate to see that when someone here does not agree with another, they hunt them on every blog. You know their intentions are not godly. No true believer who has the love of Christ in them, will wake up each morning to hunt someone they do not like. That is the work of the enemy. I'm moving on.
---Dan on 8/18/10


So Dan, are you a Hypocrite now since 8/18/2010???
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


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Kathr you must be speaking to a door post, and must be blind too. I last posted on the burb blog. You must have missed the others also.
---Dan on 10/18/11


kathr //can you find any scripture where we are to "Committ ourselves to Christ?" Sounds like poopinpants works salvation to me.

Your statement reflects what I have been stating, that such people as yourself really do not know too much about the Bible as they simply cannot grasp anything of a theological importance. Those poopinpants types are usually of the lower educated and trained people who have fried their brains with drugs and alcohol and are really incapable of getting it all together from a logical standpoint.

All they do is criticize others that have been more fortunate than they themselves.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11


Commit: to pledge devotion to somebody or something. I can commit myself to anything yet never surrender my life in doing so.

Surrender, Yield:
Meaning to YIELD to another
an act of relinquishing control or possession to somebody or something
to stop opposing or resisting and agree to somebody's demands or requests to give something up to somebody else or allow somebody else to take it over
to be replaced by something else.

As you can see to commit to someone doesnt suggest allowing Christ to live in you, replacing YOUR FLESH. Galatians 2:20-21 is the result of total surrender, yielding, identification.
Thats the unfortunate mis-conception about being asked to commit your life to Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


They are usually good moral people, not the poopinpants ones that you find committing themselves to Christ in your church.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11

LeeJ, can you find any scripture where we are to "Committ ourselves to Christ?" Sounds like poopinpants works salvation to me.

However, those who totally surrender to Christ and His Finished works upon the Cross is something totally different.

Once that is done, no more RECOMMITTING yourselves to Christ over and over as so many find themselves doing!
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


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Well Dan, are YOU that doorpost that just resurrected from 2006? I see you posted last in 2006...


OR ARE YOU who we all know you are.....the same ol same ol bashers using AGAIN another name to hide behind. Oh, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

And here out of 8000 blogs you just happened to stumble on this after 2006 t make a rude and snide comment, admitting your ignorance of scripture.

But I wasn't talking to YOU anyway, but commenting on Christan's post here. Now if it went over Christan's head, then yes I am talking to a doorpost! Thanks for pointing that out DAN THE MAN, i mean door post.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


Dan, I see you posted in 2006 that not alll Christians are Born Again. That some are and some aren't.

Did you come to that conclusion because you are one who has NOT been Born Again?

Well, I can see that a non Born Again Christian would NOT understand what I am saying, since one has to be Born Again to understand the things of the Spirit.. AND A Born Again one, one under Grace NOT THE LAW, would perfectly understand what I am saying, since Ephesians is all about Grace, and the POWER OF GRACE.

But those still under the power of sin which is the LAW would not!

Thanks for your original comment!
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


Dan, why would you call Christan a door post? That was rude.
---Rena on 10/18/11


kathr //Leej, The churches are full to the brim of those who believe themselves saved JUST BECAUSE they were raised in a Christian home.

We only went to church on Easter & Christmas and an ocassional wedding or funeral. I did not become a born again Christian until my Junior year in college.

As stated, we had SDA and RC as neighbors, they did much to influence my standard of moraliity.

Yes, the churches are full of people raised in Christian homes that have not experienced the presence of Christ in their lives. They are usually the ones that you find up front at Billy Graham crusade or rivival. They are usually good moral people, not the poopinpants ones that you find committing themselves to Christ in your church.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11


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Kathr are you speaking to a door post? Do your words have a purpose? And what is your purpose? And to whom are you speaking to?
---Dan on 10/17/11


What is really awesome about Joshua is it's close parallel to Ephesians.

Also note, these who entered in, what was the FIRST thing done once they entered?

Ans: The were Circumcised.

Now read Colossians 2. What is the first thing that happens once we are saved? ANS:
We identify with Jesus in death and resurrection and are spiritually circumcised in the putting away of the sin of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.

I so love the types and shaddows of OT that pointed to salvation in Christ.

When you are saved, you really understand Hebrews more than ever.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/11


Moses was "representing the law", that was why God forbid Moses to go to Canaan, confirming no man is going to heaven through the law.
---christan on 10/17/11

yes Moses represented the Law, and the Law is not of FAITH. YET we see all who came out of Egypt never entered the Promise land either, because they did not have faith to enter. Only their children entered. Hebrews 3-4. They did not enter INTO HIS REST!

When we "ENTER IN" a New and LIVING WAY, ((( HEBREWS 10 )))tHAT IS TO SAY His Flesh, we have entered His Rest, here and now = SALVATION.

That's tHE whole point of Heb 3-4.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/11


- the walk in the wilderness, confirms the sanctification of a Christian on earth.
- crossing to Canaan, is the final destination of the Christian going through that narrow gate. ---christan on 10/17


God set them free through the BLOOD over the doorpost.

No one was saved in the Wilderness as many rebelled and died IN THEIR SIN.

Sanctification begins once one crosses the Jordan, (The jordan represents the CROSS..) No one is sanctified before they are In Christ, or on the wrong side of teh cross.

The Promise land and coming INTO the Land represents coming INTO CHRIST. Once IN, then came the testing and DRIVING OUT of the ITES. The ITES represent SIN.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/11


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Leej, The churches are full to the brim of those who believe themselves to be saved JUST BECAUSE they were raised in a Christian home. The distance between heaven and hell is about 14 inches. That's the distance between the heart and head.

When did you realize you were a sinner in need of a savior? Did you at that time put personal faith in Jesus Christ? And what makes you believe your faith is not then a WORK as you say?

So those who grow up in a Christian home automatically are the elect?

Not according to your Jacob and Esau line of thinking. BOTH belonged to Isaac, who belonged to Abraham.

Did God tell your mother while you were still in the womb, Leej shall SERVE anyone? Did Leej have 12 sons too?
---kathr4453 on 10/17/11


OT teachings were a shadow of things to come. Eg,

God demonstrated through the nation Israel that:
- He chose Israel and not vice-versa, confirming election.
- He set them free from Egypt, confirming salvation is of God.
- after setting them free from Egypt, He revealed Himself through the law that He was Holy, confirming salvation was never through the law.
- the walk in the wilderness, confirms the sanctification of a Christian on earth.
- crossing to Canaan, is the final destination of the Christian going through that narrow gate.

Moses was "representing the law", that was why God forbid Moses to go to Canaan, confirming no man is going to heaven through the law.
---christan on 10/17/11


Probably from my birth His love toward me was through my parents and others.leej//

You state nowhere of your own personal faith in Jesus Christ for the Forgivness of YOUR SIN.

And having Adventists on one side and RCC on the other have nothing to do with it.

I also didn't say your earthly Father, I asked when did God the Father teach you?

WHAT God the Father taught the Jews was:
1) The Messiah would be born of a virgin,
2) 31And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?

3)42Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
---kathr4453 on 10/17/11


//Francis The point is that God did not give nine commandments and then seperately give the sabbath. All ten commandments make up ONE LAW.All ten are written in STONE.

And the 10 commandments are called the MINISTRY OF DEATH and CONDEMNATION in 2 Cor. 3:7,9 written on letters of stone.

Should we not heed the ministry of the Spirit instead? Or is that something you are unfamiliar with?

Those that follow Jesus from moment to moment in their lives will have eternal salvation for their righteousness is of Christ, not of themselves. Romans 3:21

The Law is not the way, the truth & the life!
---lee1538 on 10/17/11


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The Spirit of the law is JESUS in us the HOLY SPIRIT guiding us.

But the HOLY SPIRIT will not lead us against the letter. For it has us follow by love. When I love others I do not steal, covet, lie, commit adultery or murder.

When I love GOD I want to spend time with him as he asked. Many do not want to spend a whole day with JESUS. They can barley put up with a cople of hours.
---Samuel on 10/16/11


Francis, again you are defending the letter of the law, you just don't want to accept the Spirit of the Law. You are talking about something written, I'm talking about something spiritual. Jesus is the Law. It is the Spirit of Christ who lives in us now. But you insist no matter what to not move from the letter of the Law. No one here ask you do that. The Spririt speaks to our conscience, and No one here wants you to go against your conscience. If you believe in your heart it is sin to not do Saturday Sabbath then observe Saturday. But what you and others like Jerry do, is try to make us go against our conscience. And if we don't do what you say, then we are not saved, or sinners, when in fact all are sinners.
---Mark_V. on 10/8/11


If Israel was under the covenant of works then none of Israel will be saved. For it is impossible for anyone to be saved by works.

Salvation has always been by Grace alone. The only one who was ever perfect enough to be saved by works was JESUS.

Exd 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

Grace was shown by the sacrifice of animals pointing to JESUS. The true sacrifice.
---Samuel on 10/8/11


--Mark_V. on 10/5/11
The point is that God did not give nine commandments and then seperately give the sabbath. All ten commandments make up ONE LAW.
All ten are written in STONE. Do you know what it means to be written in stone?
the first 4 have to do with out relationship with God, the last six with each other.
---Francis on 10/6/11


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Francis, you said:
"Is that the was GOD DID IT when he gave the TEN COMMANDMENTS? DId he give " the law" first then the sabbath?"

Yes, but it was God who did that, and you are not God. Second, it was God who was speaking to Israel who were under the Covenant of works of obedience in which none could be save, not to us under the Covenant of Grace. You are still under the rules of the Law. They mean a whole lot to you.
All the other passages you gave are true. They are teachings to the believers only. We are not to grieve the Spirit, because we are under the Spirit of the law, something you just to want to accept.
---Mark_V. on 10/5/11


what you and others really want to do is, to introduce the law first, so that later you can introduce Saturday Sabbath. ---Mark_V. on 9/28/11
Is that the was GOD DID IT when he gave the TEN COMMANDMENTS? DId he give " the law" first then the sabbath?


You are either speaking for the Law, or you are speaking for Christ. You cannot have it both ways.
---Mark_V. on 9/27

You mean like this:
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Hebrews 13:4 adulterers God will judge.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters
---Francis on 10/4/11


Francis 2: What you conclude is that because we are now believers in Christ, we think we can sin all we want. You think that, not the believers. But you think that because what you and others really want to do is, to introduce the law first, so that later you can introduce Saturday Sabbath. Because really, there is no reason for putting the believer under the law otherwise. All the talk of the law is just a smoke screen, since all of you still sin. What other purpose would it serve to continue bringing the law and saying believers now have a license to sin? It's the same old story. Why more stories? Just come on out and say what you really want to say, Be honest for a while.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/11


Francis, you did a "U" turn on me. First you gave a great comment from Matthew Henry, and then you throw the law again. What's up with that?
You are either speaking for the Law, or you are speaking for Christ. You cannot have it both ways. No one needs to read again the written laws. We read them already. No one is save by keeping them. Should we teach people not to sin? Of course we should encourage them. But don't try to condemn those who are in Christ with the law. Because that is what all of you are doing, teaching that the breaking of the law for the believer is death. Just nonesense. It's death for all those who are not in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/27/11


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Those that speak for the law always say that, it's all in their minds who speak for the law. Which is nonesense.
---Mark_V.
You mean like PAUL repeating all 10?
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Hebrews 13:4 adulterers God will judge.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters
Ephesians 5:3 covetousness, let it not be once named among you,
Galatians 5:21 murders, shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God be not blasphemed
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God,
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
---Francis on 9/26/11


Rom 7:14,18 "the law is SPIRITUAL"
and
"I know that in me (that is, in my FLESH) nothing good dwells."

Rom 8:3,4"For what the law could not do in that it was WEAK through the FLESH, God did by sending His own Son....He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be FULFILLED in us".

Now he that is DEAD is FREED from sin Rom6:7.
Hence we don't judge ourselves by it as under law. It's dead.
O Death, where is your sting?..."But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1Cor 15:55

We're a new creation.
We NO LONGER regard anyone after the flesh 2Cor5:16.
James 3:24
Don't forget who you are
---Haz27 on 9/24/11


Francis with the captital "F" who gave the writings of Matthew Henry, is correct. Very good answer. If only so many others could understand those Truths. We would not be having so many speaking for the law, and their accusations that genuine believers believe it is a license to sin. Those that speak for the law always say that, it's all in their minds who speak for the law. Which is nonesense.
---Mark_V. on 9/25/11


The power of sin is the CURSE of the law, which is the eternal penalty for breaking the law, death and hell. He who the son sets free is freely liberated, not from the law, but from the curse of the law, death.
---Jed on 9/24/11


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The sting of death is sin, but Christ, by dying, has taken out this sting. He has made atonement for sin, he has obtained remission of it. It may hiss therefore, but it cannot hurt.

The strength of sin is the law, but the curse of the law is removed by our Redeemer's becoming a curse for us. So that sin is deprived of its strength and sting, through Christ, that is, by his incarnation, suffering, and death. Death may seize a believer, but cannot sting him, cannot hold him in his power. There is a day coming when the grave shall open, the bands of death be loosed...And then will it plainly appear that, as to them, death will have lost its strength and sting, and all by the mediation of Christ,

matthew henry
---Francis on 9/24/11


1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
Does knowing the law cause you to sin: NO
Does knowing the law cause us not to walk in sin: YES
Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psalms 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Does knowing the law tell you when you have sinned that you may seeks Gods forgiveness: YES
Is the law itself sin: Romans 7:7 Is the law sin? God forbid.
Should we continue to break the Law because we are under grace and not under law: NO
So where does that live us?
---francis on 9/24/11


How you answer this question will tell you whether you need to obey the law of not:

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

It is that simple.
---Francis on 9/23/11


The power of sin is the law whenever the law supports and maintains a system of inequality in it's realm. We all give our respect to the "law of justice" because through it mankind has justice, stability and security. But sometimes the law approves injustice. At this time it becomes "the beast." It's great power comes through the fact that we all give it it's atthority because we respect it as the sense of Justice and fairness is ingrained inherently into most people from birth. This how it gets it's power. Involuntarily through us people in it's realm. I've written a mixxed up paragraph, but I hope you can still get my drift. What do you think?
---dan_b on 9/22/11


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Is it possible that it is still true? For sin still becomes by the law exceeding sinful and where there is no law, there can be no sin, for by definition, sin is the transgression of law. Paul says we establish the law, and that it makes sin appear sin working death in me by that which is good (the law). Certainly if sin is in us, we want the law to reveal it so that we can be delivered from the sin by making His soul an offering for sin--He came to take away our sins.
---Wayne87 on 1/18/07


It was once true:
1 Corinthians 15:56, "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."
It is no longer true:
1 Corinthians 15:57, "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
---Bruce5656 on 1/17/07


ryan, also romans 2 -14 saysthat the gentiles don,t have the law.
---tom2 on 1/17/07


sorry Tom2 your right, we r no longer under the ceremonial laws of ordinances and sacrificies..those were done away at the cross when Jesus bcame the Sacrificial Lamb of God. The 10 Moral Laws of God still exists to guide us in our daily living however, I note in other blog Lee n Kay say we r wrong so I guess, we can go shoot them cos the law does not exist 4 them hahah...
---paula on 1/7/07


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i,am not talking about thou shalt not kill, and though shalt not steal. Iam talking about the levitical religious rituals practiced by the israleites,
---tom2 on 1/7/07


This is NOT a true statement. The law is NOT sin, but rather, the ONLY way to know sin, so you can truly see the need for a savior. Paul said that I would not have known sin, but by the law. The law is like a mirror reflecting how dirty you truly are, so you can see the need for Christ's blood to wash you clean.
---Leslie on 1/7/07


paula.you too seem to mis understand my response.I,am talking about the law given by God to the jewish people.the different ways to observe the worship of God.the things that the jews were commanded by God to do and not to do.has nothing to do with murder and stealing.though these laws too came from God the levitical law had so many rituals added that no one was able too keep it.I never said murder was okay,or anything else that is illegal. I said that we as gentiles don,t live under levitical law PERIOD.
---tom2 on 1/7/07


its apparent that you don,t understand that GENTILES don,t live under the law.never did,never will.the law was given to the jews,and this law as christ said he did not come to destroy it. he knew that the jews would not accept him so God made a new covenant. this convenant thru jesus was given to the world (gentiles)we don,t live under jewish law ,or the old covenant.you seem to be confused in this point.we live under the NEW COVENANT.we don,t observe the old one which was given by God to the jews.
---tom2 on 1/7/07


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you must remember that when jesus came he was jewish and observed the law.but he was a new covenant himselfthe scriptures you quote don,t apply to gentiles about the law because even in jesus,s time the law did not apply to gentiles you had to be jewish,just as it is today.
---tom2 on 1/7/07


gina, you are also missing a GIANT point. God gave his son because NOONE was without sin and could obey all the law.the high priest once a year sprinkled blood for the jewish peoples sins.God made a new covenant thru jesus,as the bible says a BETTER covenant.we (the gentiles) live under this new convenant,not the old convenat.the old is the law,the new is JESUS.
---tom2 on 1/7/07


we dont live under the law as the Israelites did so infact I can come and shoot you..Is that okay and permitted? Is that of God to kill one? The bible is for our(everyones) admonishing not the Israelites only. If it is, then what r u doing going by it? we dont live under law. nonsense, if we didnt, there would b chaos and lives taken. Then Christ's coming was in vain
---paula on 1/6/07


Tom "no the law was given to the israleites, not to the gentiles.we have been given grace thru jesus.we don,t live under the law as they did." Explain Romans 6:1,2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" or "Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whoseover sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him" 1John 3:6 If we sin, we have broken the 10 CC (1John3:4)
---Gina on 1/6/07


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Tom " but we DON,T LIVE UNDER THE LAW.if we did we wouldn,t be saved." It sounds like you are repeating what you heard in church, but are not backing it up from scripture. We do not live under the penalty of the law, because in Jesus we are now obedient to the 10CC and not sinners. By your statement, not living under the law, you imply you now sin, instead of obeying the 10CC, and if you do obey, you will not be saved. The truth is just the opposite.
---Gina on 1/6/07


Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yea, we establish the law" /Romans 6:15 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID" Just a simple reading of the Bible will show that the modern lie being spoken from most pulpits, that it is okay to sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace, is NOT taught in the Bible!
---Gina on 1/6/07


What do we think Jesus is doing in Heaven, as our Great High Priest? He is interceding between us and the Father. He comes to the Heavenly Sanctuary, and presents His own blood, shed at Calvary. Hebrews 8:1,2 "Now of the things which we have spoken, this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, A minister of the sanctuary,and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man"
---Gina on 1/6/07


jana, no the law was given to the israleites, not to the gentiles.we have been given grace thru jesus.we don,t live under the law as they did.
---tom2 on 1/5/07


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if we lived under the law we would need a human high priest to offer sacrifice.as gentiles our sacrifice came from jesus is is our high priest.yes we study and live under the WHOLE WORD the old testament and new testament. but we DON,T LIVE UNDER THE LAW.if we did we wouldn,t be saved.
---tom2 on 1/5/07


why wouldn,t we be saved> cause theres been no sprinkling of blood under the law for the remission of our sins.and never as a gentile.because this is reserved for jews.
---tom2 on 1/5/07


the law was given to all mankind, not only Israel. We are going by the Bible arent we? and is the Bible only for the Israelites? NO.4 all mankind. without the law, sin will abound..and without law, I could shoot all anti law and anti Sabbath christians I guess. some say it (the 10 laws of God)is no longer valid today...
---jana on 1/5/07


Geoff, thank you for taking the time to look for the scriptural answer. Unfortunately many people answer off-the-cuff and never are fed witht he truth of the Word of God. They would rather go to man for their nourishment; it's sad really.
---Ryan on 1/5/07


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Ryan, I believe you are talking about 1 Cor 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Paul under inspiration is correct. Death is the result of sin-Ro 6:23, and sin is breaking God's Law-1 Jn 3:4. That's a fate common to all of us-Ro 3:23, but the good news is that the gift of God is eternal life-Ro 6:23b.
---Geoff on 1/4/07


ryan, how much power do you think/believe sin has? Isn't it as much as a person gives heed to it? Sin has no power over the believer. The power of sin is not the law, it's man's will/desire to sin, to do things against God's will like fornication, adultery, stealing, etc.,
---Donna9759 on 1/4/07


ryan, to me the power of sin comes from the free will choice to disobey God.even satan chose to disobey.the law was given to the israelites but they could not obey either.
---tom2 on 1/4/07


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