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Call No Man Father

Why did Jesus say call no man Father? What should we call our Father on earth?

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 ---SharonL on 1/6/07
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Mark.
It is not twisting any think it is common sense. The words Papa, daddy, mommy , mom are not in the bible at all.
So you who only follow the exact writings from the Bible should know better.
When God commanded "Honor your Father and Mother" those terms are part of that honor.
Thank God for my earthly Mother and Father!
---Lisa on 11/5/07


You may call your Father on earth, Father. But not in the spiritual sense. Also our religion must not be derived from or made to depend upon, any man.
---catherine on 11/5/07


The Word is perfectly balanced, humans are not.
Honor your father and mother.

Call no man, Father. Let no man mediate as your mediator on earth. Let no man replace our Heavenly Father. Jesus paid the price, there are no go-betweens, we go directly to our Father.
---Bob on 11/5/07


Helen::You base all your findings on the KJV or NKJV which was printed & written by an apostate writer 1500 years after the introduction of christianity.The arguement on remote points are frivilous The 4th commandment says Honour Thy Father & Mother.People in authority have an authorative name.Unless you want to make them Gods which then breaks the 1st Commandment.
---Emcee on 11/5/07


Helen, you have answered correctly and you give a good explanation on why you believe what you wrote. I believe you will always get arguments from the Catholics becuase in every case of their faith, they have excuses for everything they do, with worship, its not worship, with the bible been final authority, a twist of words to cover up their faith. Just remember one thing, when God wants to show His light to someone, no matter the denomination, it will happen, but only by His power and timing.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/07




Honor you father and mother.
God said it. He commands it.
He didn't say honor your mommy and papa/ daddy.
God knows your earthly mother and father are just that.."EARTHLY"
So you can call them this term.
We all know who are heavenly Father is! And there is no other.
---Lisa on 11/5/07


Maybe try papa or daddy. For one is your Father in Heaven is not about what you call the man who cared for you in your youth.

It's about who's child you are now in this age, and who it is you'll be influenced by.
---Pharisee on 10/21/07


*Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Who do we believe? Helen or Jesus?*
---Jack on 1/11/07

I think it's called "protestant privilege", Jack.

Do not call *ANYONE* father, master/teacher = anyone "we decide not to."

However, *ALL* ALWAYS means "ALL". LOL
---augusta on 1/12/07


Jack - No, you believe God's Word Jack. I use the NKJV and it says Teacher. Teacher, Master, whatever, it is referring to the bestowing of spiritual titles on people that place them in the position that Christ only should occupy.
---Helen_5378 on 1/12/07


"Dwell with me, and be a father and a priest to me." (Judges 18:19)

"...be a father and a priest to us." (Jud 17:10)

"I intend to leave good children to posterity. This is the case with children of our bodies. For words are the offspring of the soul. Hence, we call those who have instructed us, fathers."

(Clement of Alexandria 195 A.D.)
---augusta on 1/11/07




** Jack - The next verse says "Teacher", not "master". The titles of Mr. and Mrs. is simply to make a distinction between the man and the woman in marriage.**

Matthew 23:10 KJV
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Who do we believe? Helen or Jesus?
---Jack on 1/11/07


** Jack - The next verse says "Teacher", not "master". **

Even if the next verse says "teacher", which you see it doesn't in the KJV--does the funny little place you go to have Sunday School TEACHERS?

If it does, it is violating what you say the Bible says.
---Jack on 1/11/07


Jack - The next verse says "Teacher", not "master". The titles of Mr. and Mrs. is simply to make a distinction between the man and the woman in marriage.
---Helen_5378 on 1/11/07


Phyllis gets it. :)
---augua9846 on 1/10/07


The context leads me to believe that Yeshua (Jesus) here is prohibiting believers from accepting unearned honors, rather than outlawing three titles. A leader is to be humble, a servant; if he is given any title at all, he is not to become puffed up. Others in the community are to guard against making invidious (injurious, slanerous, defamatory) distinctions between clergy and laity by bestowing titles.
---Phyllis on 1/10/07


**Call no men on earth your father" it is a direct reference to what the RCC spiritual leaders want to be called.**

Then what do you do with the NEXT verse which says not to call anyone "master"?

A strict interpretation of this would forbid the use of Mr. and Mrs., as they are nothing but variants of "master".
---Jack on 1/10/07


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Part 2.

In any case, it's merely custom in ENGLISH speaking countries, and not one that's old.

John Carroll, first RC bishop in the USA, wrote letters to his secular priests addressed to MR.

And in French, one addresses a priest as either "Monsieur le cure" or "M. le abbe." Or "Votre reverence."
---Jack on 1/10/07


Helen's answer to this question would seem to be correct." Call no men on earth your father" it is a direct reference to what the RCC spiritual leaders want to be called.
---Mima on 1/9/07


Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch wrote in 180 A.D.:

"When any person is taught from the mouth of another he is called the son of the instructor and the instructor is called his father."
---augusta on 1/9/07


Jesus said to call no man Father because of the spiritual signifance attached to it. Those who use the title "Father" are placing themselves spiritually above others which is wrong. Only one can be above us and that is God the Father.
---Helen_5378 on 1/9/07


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** Jack, when I refer to God as my spiritual Father I'm using this term in the Holy SPIRIT. **

I don't think you understood the verse I was quoting.

St. Paul was referring to HIMSELF as his immediate hearers' father.

Now, did he mean PHYSICAL father or SPIRITUAL father?
---Jack on 1/8/07


Jack, when I refer to God as my spiritual Father I'm using this term in the Holy SPIRIT. The unsaved cannot understand this and refer this to just about any spirit. This is normal because in the New Testiment it is clear that the unsaved cannot understand the things of the Spirit (HOLY SPIRIT). God is my true spiritual Father in Jesus name.
---John on 1/8/07


**I think many RC's don't even know that and call him father in a spiritual position, which is totally wrong according to Scripture.**

When St. Paul wrote, "Though you may have many teachers in Christ, yet you don't have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you according to the Gospel," did he mean "father" in an earthly or spiritual sense?
---Jack on 1/8/07


Paul wrote: For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. (1Co 4:15)

In the 3rd century Tertullian commented...

"Grant, now, that Abraham is our father; grant, too, that Paul is. "In the Gospel," says he, "I have begotten you."
---augusta on 1/7/07


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Can I call you dad now?
---Rodneyssoninlaw on 1/7/07


Neither St. Stephen nor St. Paul scrupled to avoid addressing UNBELIEVERS in the Synagogue as "fathers."

Furthermore, St. John wrote, "I write this to you, FATHERS..."

OTOH, One of the things Jesus had to put up with was the Jews saying "We have Abraham for our FATHER."
---Jack on 1/7/07


We have only one spiritual father and that is the father in heaven. I had a big discussion with a learned RC about them calling the priest father. He said the priests position is like an earthly father figure to them, not a heavenly father figure. I think many RC's don't even know that and call him father in a spiritual position, which is totally wrong according to Scripture.
---john on 1/7/07


SharonL, may be referring to Mt 23:9. The context is important. Jesus was reproving the scribes & Pharisees who "sit in Moses' seat"-v2. Jesus is warning us, His disciples, to make God & His word our ultimate authority NOT man, as many do even here on CN! Hope that helps.
---Geoff on 1/7/07


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This was speaking of/in the spiritual sense.
The word Father means, "ancestor, inventor, or source." In spiritually we are not to call anyone father/source of the faith except God.
In many other Scripture references the word father is used to speak of those who have children. Check Eph 6:1-3, Dan 5:2-18, Mark 1:20, 5:40. Better yet; get a Concordance and study for yourself.
---Elder on 1/7/07


Father here suggest spiritual foundation, as source, sustainer, support & predominate influencer of life. Although your parent may fill that role on a tangible level, it all begins & ends with the Spirit of God, which can only be attributed to The Father as the possessor of life. Concerning the vital principle of salvation, Father, as the provider of deliverance, safety, heath as in wholeness & protection, no man on earth deserves or qualifies for that distinct honor. Call daddy, dad he won't mind.:o)
---joseph on 1/7/07


Using "papa" or "daddy" won't work either. Ever read the verse, "The spirit of adoption, whereby we call 'abba, father'?" ABBA is nothing more than the Syriac and Aramaic word for "papa" (of which it's a cognate) or "daddy."

Try again.
---Jack on 1/7/07


Read the next verse (bet you didn't). It forbids calling men "master," so that cuts out using "Mr." and "Mrs."
---Jack on 1/7/07


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This scripture speaks of authority. The Spirit is our teacher, THe Father is our Father and Christ is our leader. You are not to be subjest ot any earthly peson for knowledge, wisdom ,strength, guidance, teaching or discipline. Part of the problem today is all the doting and adoratioon of elders, pastors, clergy priests and many others. Their self-aggrandizement (if that's a word) is sickening; everyone has their own ministry, WHat about the ministry of God?
---Ryan on 1/7/07


I believe Jesus meant no other spiritual father. When I was a catholic, I was told to call the priest, father. Now that my eyes are opened, I cannot bring myself to say this. I have left the catholic church.
Jesus also said in Mark 13:12... Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son;...
What I see in this is that it's alright to call my earthly father father. This is all part of honoring my parents, and know one could ever take the place of my Father in heaven.
---John on 1/7/07


Yes, we can call our fathers (and priests) 'father' and our Sunday School teachers 'teacher'.

Jesus was using hyperbole to make a point. Same as He as when He said call no one master (as in "Master Seargent"). We can know this for certain because Paul referred to not only Abraham but Himself as father *after* Jesus gave the instructions.
---augusta on 1/7/07


*Maybe try papa.*

Yeah.. that's where we get the word Pope from. ;)

Papa is from Latin and it means father.
---augusta on 1/7/07


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I've read a few commentaries stating Jesus is not talking about biological fathers, but rather those in religious circles, specifically rabbis, scribes and pharisees, who insisted on being called names (like rabbi, master and father) denoting superiority over other bretheren. It's said that the tradition was to address rabbis as "our father" and Jesus was admonishing His disciples not to do this and not to require any one else to call them (the disciples) by such titles either.
---AlwaysOn on 1/6/07


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