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I Will Be Raptured Because

Finish this statement: I believe in the Rapture because ________. I believe I will be raptured because __________.

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Bruce - how about your sins will find you out?


"PART TWO:
I would appreciate it if Herb set the record straight and gave more detail as to the connection between the adultery and the pneumonia.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/25/07 "
---Tim on 9/3/07


Janet - How is it that, according to your view, only those who believe in OSAS "know" they will be raptured? Every child of God who is abiding in Christ knows that they will be raptured. That is if they believe in the rapture, which some have erred and do not believe such.
---Helen_5378 on 8/26/07


1Co11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co11:30
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

Sounds to me like if we do not live a Godly life, we die early death.
---Rev_Herb on 1/31/07


-BRUCE5656, Are you trying to make a case that God would not ever give someone pneumonia as a consequence of adultery? I dont have a problem with it. Anything that might cut a person who is an adulterer's life short could be caused by God. I dont think there is anything spoke of that disgusts God more (other than worshiping other gods and rejecting him) than adultery.
---tofurabby on 1/26/07


Let's see, David lost a son because of adultry. People who smoke die of heart problems or other things. Some sins can cause health problems. God sometimes uses health to get our attion.
---Rev_Herb on 1/26/07




PART ONE:
Lisa,
What would the connection be between getting pneumonia and adultery? Pneumonia is not exactly a STD.

Herb said "I know a woman...on life support because of adultry.

Now, if she caught the pneumonia because her partner had it, I can understand that. I believe the clear implication in what Herb said is that she got pneumonia as a spiritual consequence. That somehow, God saw to it that she got sick.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/25/07


PART TWO:


If that is not the correct understanding I would appreciate it if Herb set the record straight and gave more detail as to the connection between the adultery and the pneumonia.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/25/07


No Bruce, it means you were sick. It also means you are not sick of it anymore, and might get sick again. Concerning punishment, I don't know that anyone has said it was punishment, but if that is what you got out of Rev-Herbs statement of the consciquence of sin, I didn't. It only shows that all sin has a conscequence, and that some sins do lead to death, that the Spirit may be saved for the day of the Lord Jesus Christ. At least that is what I got.
---lisa on 1/25/07


mmm, I had pneumonia last summer. Does that mean that God was punshing me?

Answer

NO
---Bruce5656 on 1/25/07


Rev Herb - That is very sad. I pray the Lord will heal her totally and use her as a mighty witness to His Son Jesus and His healing power.
---Helen_5378 on 1/25/07




Helen- No she did not get shot, she just go sick, both her lungs filled quickly with punonia and her kidneys shut down. Doc does not know what caused it. Even David in the bible died of a STD. PS 38
---Rev_Herb on 1/25/07


Rick D- If there is no such thing as the rapture, then can you explane 1Thes. 4:16-17? Or can you explane why the church is never mentioned again after chapter 4 in Rev?
---Rev_Herb on 1/25/07


* It is an invention of a 19th century heretic.*

With all the writings, that was discovered by many scholars, that predate the 19th century, I find it hare to believe it was invented in 19th century. Learn your history, and please don't give false information.
---Ramon on 1/25/07


There is no such thing as the Rapture. It is an invention of a 19th century heretic. All of the Christians that are alive at the time of the Second Coming will have had to go through the Tribulation.
---Rick_D on 1/24/07


Rev Herb - Did the lady on life support get shot? That's the only thing that would make sense, that she is on life support because of adultery. Bless you.
---Helen_5378 on 1/24/07


Mary, I really don't know for sure, that is God's knowledge. All I do know is that sin can lead to an early grave, not the loss of salvation.
1Co5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
---Rev_Herb on 1/24/07


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Mary one other thing I forgot to tell you. We have been praying for her and the last report I had is that she is now sitting up in bed. God answers prayers.
---Rev_Herb on 1/24/07


RevHerb, forgive me, but I just have to ask this: are you SURE this woman is on life support because of adultery? I am not arguing that God corrects us, but as the sister of a murder victim, I hesitate to ascribe every terrible event to sin in their lives. Even back in Jesus day, they asked Him "Who sinned, this man or His parents" and Jesus reply was neither, specifically.
---Mary on 1/23/07


Rev Herb, Here is another secret to those who have assurance.God's Covenant is to those who believe it,and have put their faith in "His" Promises.Those who don't have real faith in God's promises will never fear Him, or as in the New Covenant,Love Him. Why, because God's Love has been shed abroad in OUR heart by the Holy Spirit. Perfect love casts out fear...fear of losing your salvation!

Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
---Janet on 1/22/07


There are consequences of sinning after one is saved.

1Co5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

I know a woman who is about 35yrs old in the hospital on life support because of adultry.
---Rev_Herb on 1/22/07


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ramon- Please just make a list of scriptures proving you loose your salvation and send them to my pen pal. If I am off of the computer for a while, I don't read all the blogs so I may have missed the ones you talked about. but I am looking for a list.
herb8789
---Rev_Herb on 1/22/07


Ramon, The way I see it, if you are rejecting Christ (not enduring) then you were never saved to begin with. In order for the "always saved" to apply, you have to achieve the "once saved" part. That comes from the heart, not the mind and lips (not "i'm saved so I'm free to do anything I want"). If you are saved, you will not reject Christ... ever... not possible because he is the new ruler of the temple. If you backslide into rejection you were not saved.(1 Corinthians 15:2)
---tofurabby on 1/22/07


Rev. Herb . #2 Many here have try to show that OSAS is false, but you consist on believing this devilish doctrine!

Many who accept Eternal Security or OSAS or RSAS does teach that one can sin and and not have any consequences. Dave Hunt is one example.

The fact is that your doctrine is a license to immortality. According to you, if one backslide he weren't save to begin. Which is unbibical. Consider the many Scriptures that warn the "save" from backsliding!.
---Ramon on 1/22/07


Rev. Herb . #2 Many here have try to show that OSAS is false, but you consist on believing this devilish doctrine!

Many who accept Eternal Security or OSAS or RSAS does teach that one can sin and and not have any consequences. Dave Hunt is one example.

The fact is that your doctrine is a license to immortality. According to you, if one backslide he weren't save to begin. Which is unbibical. Consider the many Scriptures that warn the "save" from backsliding!.
---Ramon on 1/22/07


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Rev. Herb. Rev. Herb I have show you where in Scriptures does it teach that one can loose their salvation in the blog "Is Slain in Spirit flake?", which you left abruptly without answering my questions.. If OSAS is true then all the Scriptures that warn those who are *SAVE* from falling away, and enduring to the end is False! OSAS makes God a liar.

I gave you the Scriptures that states what kind of sins one need to commit to eventually lose one's salvation.
---Ramon on 1/21/07


Mrs. Morgan you said:Rev_Herb , I know that the Eternal Security false doctrine teaches that people can go on sinning after salvation and repentance isn't required,

Eternal Security is not a false doctrine, the bible teaches it. Eternal Security does not teach you can go on sinning without repentance, but just the opposite. We believe that if you are saved, you should avoid sin, not live in it.
---Rev_Herb on 1/21/07


No one has yet shown me where the bible says you loose your salvation, or what sin one has to commit to loose there salvation. The bible says if you commit one sin, you are guilty of all. It is not a shame to fall in the mud, it is a shame to roll around in it.
---Rev_Herb on 1/21/07


(2.)Rev_Herb, God says to honestly confess if you sin,only then will the Blood of Jesus wash it away(1John 1:6-10). The Word says sin is death,and don't let sin reign in your mortal body,don't allow your body to be an instrument of unrighteousness.(Heb.10:26,27)says if one sins willfully after salvation,there is no more Blood sacrifice for their sin,they need to repent.Many Christians don't resist the enemy, are slaves to sin,that isn't God's will,He said walk in His Spirit.(John 5:14b).God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/20/07


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(1.)Rev_Herb , I know that the Eternal Security false doctrine teaches that people can go on sinning after salvation and repentance isn't required, but thats not consistent with the Word. If a person had a leech on their skin, they would quickly get it off, well unrepentant sin is worse than a leech. People should depend on the Holy Spirit, only He can lead one into all truth. God knows when a person honestly repents, and it can be done anywhere, why would someone want to [delay] repenting if they fall?
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/20/07


Mrs Morgan you wrote:What does time have to do with it?" --Every thing! When a Christian hesitates to repent if they have committed willful sin, there's something wrong, and they are putting their eternal soul in jeopardy.

By using logic with that statement, it means if timing is everything, then I can commit a sin and then quickly repent and I am ok as long as I don't put it off to long.
---Rev_Herb on 1/20/07


Amen Janet:

Joseph AMEN to you.

Through the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant from the foundation of the world!
Praise God!
---kathr4453 on 1/20/07


Mrs. Morgan - Every child of God sins at some stage in their Christian walk with the Lord. Some of us sin every day, until hopefully we get stronger in the Lord. So, does that not make the person a sinner? I am a sinner, saved by His grace.
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


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Amen Janet.

Our eternal security is knowing with out doubt that our redemption is assured. The Fathers promptings & directions secured our focus to hit the mark of our calling. When that call was acknowledged the Father opened our minds to the multitude & consequence of our sin & the awesome price He paid for our salvation. He through godly sorrow than leads us to repentance & forgiveness. With respect for what He has done for us we cry Father, thank you. Not my will but thine will be done.
---joseph on 1/19/07


Mrs Morgan,
Herb asked you two questions. The more significant of the two remains unanswered. "How long?" That is the one that deals with the heart of the matter. I would say it deserves an answer. At least I know I would like to see your answer to that question.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


He who created you without your help will not save you without your help.
---Caring on 1/19/07


Helen, What I don't understand about your OSAS stance is: You believe a born-again child of God can lose their salvation,which is Biblically true,but then you say a born-again child of God is still a "sinner",that sounds like OSAS doctrine, that's why I initially thought you were a OSAS proponent.How can a sinner"backslide"? Sinner is a "past tense" term for God's Redeemed,who are saved by God's Grace,walk in the Spirit,in the light of His Truth and not after the flesh.
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


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"What does time have to do with it?" --Every thing! When a Christian hesitates to repent if they have committed willful sin, there's something wrong, and they are putting their eternal soul in jeopardy. Once again God says, now is the day of salvation. Procrastination is not only the thief of time, in some cases it's the thief of eternal life(salvation). Have you heard of the Christian hymn, Almost Persuaded?
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


Betty, OSAS means that you can never loose your salvation, but you can backslide and loose your life if you don't confess you sins and get right with God. We do not believe it is ok to live in sin and if you do after salvation, then you were never saved to start with. I know people who worry so much about loosing there salvation they can't have joy in serving the Lord.
---Rev_Herb on 1/19/07


Betty,
OSAS = Once Saved Always Saved otherwise known as Eternal Security. It is a belief that once a person has been saved, they can never be lost (backslide) no matter what sin they do.
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07


Mrs. Morgan I will pen pal you later but for now you said:

Rev. Herb,...but he cried out to God with sincerity at the right time(If he would of waited too long, he no doubt would of been in serious trouble),

My question is: How long? One minute, one hour, one month, one year. What does time have to do with it?
---Rev_Herb on 1/19/07


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Helen, If I purchased something, It belongs to ME. No one, not even the item itself can say to me, "I am not yours". No one legally or otherwise can take it from me.
If it strays away:

Jesus will leave the 99 and go after the 1 and bring it back. Why? Because HE OWNS that sheep. He Loves that sheep. He laid down His own Life for that sheep. His life Helen, and that purchase was with His Blood.
---Janet on 1/19/07


"Can someone tell me what osas stands for ??" --Betty, it's called Once Saved Always Saved/Eternal Security. It is a false form of security in which one believes that they can never lose their salvation, even if they commit "willful sin", [without] godly repentance. The Reality is that The Word teaches our security is abiding in God's Word/His Holy Commandments/His Truth. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


"OSAS is no more false than your partial rapture ideas."--People will find out soon enough,people must study their Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.I will not debate the details of the Rapture with you, there are many doctrines concerning it, and I don't have the time(I'm going to have to cut the bloggings short , got family obligations), believe what you choose, but it better be [in-line] with the Word,or you have a major problem on your hands. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(Luke 21:36)(Luke 24:49)(Matthew 25:1-13)(John 20:22)(John 14:17)(2 Peter 3:14). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


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Bruce5656, If you like, you can penpal me too, and we can discuss that doctrine. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


Helen, I'm going to have to disagree with you this time. A Christian can sin (backslide) but I don't believe we can lose our salvation. We backslide daily because we sin daily. So do we lose our salvation daily? Each time we sin we backslide. If keeping our salvation is based on our works then receiving salvation is based on works. The Bible says that Jesus is the eternal life that we possess. He also promised to never leave us. I don't understand how the doctrine of eternal security is unbiblical.
---Kay on 1/19/07


Helen, What about those who were purchased with the Blood of Jesus?


Jude:24 & 25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
---Janet on 1/19/07


Helen, What is your definition of Guarantee?
Promise isn't it? God makes a promise. God cannot lie.

Ephesians 1:13-15
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

***14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, ( purchased with the Blood of Jesus)to the praise of His glory.
---Janet on 1/19/07


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Helen,

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God,

***which he hath purchased with his own blood.
---Janet on 1/19/07


Mrs. Morgan
Herb's OSAS is no more false than your partial rapture ideas.
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07


(1.)Rev_Herb, Peter had a choice, like we all have a choice to hearken to the Holy Spirit or not. It really depends on the persons HEART. But the bottom line is that most Christians know that it is dangerous to backslide, the Word says the soul that sinneth, it will die. Once again God is not a respecter of persons, If Peter didn't heed to the Holy Spirit(like He did) He would of been another Judas,
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(2.)Rev. Herb,...but he cried out to God with sincerity at the right time(If he would of waited too long, he no doubt would of been in serious trouble),He obeyed the Holy Spirit,didn't delay,God said now is the day for salvation. Judas turned reprobate, and obeying God just "wasn't his desire", and Judas' tears were too little too late, Not all tears are saving tears, Judas is an example of that. You are trying to give Peter as an example of ES,
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


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(3.)Rev. Herb,....but that just doesn't square with the Holy Scriptures, because it takes away the element of "free choice" the choice to be diligent/zealous to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit or not. God dont force Himself on people like that. God deals with people individually, He knows ones intentions and why they BEHAVE the way they do. But God never compromised His Word, or His holiness...
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(4.)Rev. Herb,....the evidence of that is throughout the Holy Scriptures. God's Spirit prays for His people, but that doesnt mean that His people are robots dont have free will, Look at Israel as a whole, they are His chosen people, but He still will never compromise His Word, if a Jew dies without Jesus in their heart...
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(5.)Rev. Herb,....they cant enter His Heaven, some preachers teach a false doctrine that Jews can enter Heaven without the Saving-Word(JESUS) but that is a deadly poisonous doctrine just like Eternal Security is. Jesus must reign in a persons heart, be their FIRST love, or else they will not make it, Jesus said this. The Word says whosoever [will], let him come(Revelation).
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


Helen5378
Are you saying only those who "believe" they will be raptured actually will be raptured. That makes no sense. Will Christians who love the Lord, not really sure about a rapture be left behind, because they don't "believe". With that, wouldn't it be fair to say those who "believe" in their eternal security will never lose it, because they "believe".
Fair question. Will you give a Godly answer?
---Laura on 1/19/07


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Can someone tell me what osas stands for ??
---Betty on 1/19/07


Janet - A born-again Christian can backslide and lose their salvation.
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


Janet - ("You teach those who've received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues are those who are saved") -- I have never ever said such a thing. Where did you get that from? Either you completely misunderstood me, or maybe you have mistaken me for somebody else. Only those who believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for their sins are saved.
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


Janet - I do not agree with most of what Mrs. Morgan says. You are confusing me Janet. Just what are you trying to say?
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


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Janet - OSAS people believe that once you are saved that is it, and that you can never lose your salvation no matter what. The Bible does not teach that.
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


Tom - If you read Janet's post again she said "Only those who believe in OSAS will know for sure they will be raptured". They are her words, not mine. I am certain that I was not rude to Janet either. You are confusing me.
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


Janet and Tom - Maybe it is this that has confused you, where I said "I will be raptured whether I am dead in Christ or alive in Christ" -- I am speaking of physically, not spiritually. If you read 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 you will see what I am talking about. The other thing I said is that not everybody believes at all in the Rapture - there have been Christians on these Blogs who say there will be no Rapture.
---Helen_5378 on 1/19/07


(3.) Rev. Herb, If you like, penpal me and we can discuss this doctrine futher. My penpal is "mra7493". Hope to hear from you soon.
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/18/07


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Janet, It's only God's Word/Truth that "rescues" people, and God's Word don't return to Him void(Isaiah 55:11), But It must be rightly discerned, and Obeyed. Many Christians interfer with God's Sanctificatin process because of corrupt reasoning(Proverbs 23:7), brought on by [false doctrine]. Only the Holy Spirit can help a person rightly discern God's Word.
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


Was Peter Saved? If so why did he turn his back on Christ. How could Peter then become an apostle, he backslid and lost his salvation? Peter an exemple of a OSAS Christian. Study about Peter and let God open your eyes.
---Rev_Herb on 1/18/07


(1.)Rev_Herb, Eternal Security falsely teaches that a Christian will go to God's Heaven even if they rebel without godly repentance,that's not Biblical. Some don't understand God's gifts, the Word says the Lord can give and take away.Jesus healed a man,but told him if he goes back into sin, a worse thing would come upon him.The Word states that God's redeemed are [before ordained] to walk in the Lord's good works(works that are of the Holy Spirit are required, must reign in our lives)(Eph.2:10).
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/18/07


(2.)Rev. Herb, Christians don't get special treatment in regard to unrepentant sinning/rebellion. Jesus preached repentance. If Eternal Security were true, God would have to open up hell and release all those sinners who reside there,Why? God is just,not a respecter of persons, Christians who don't obey His Word/Commandments,don't deny self like Jesus said are not worthy of Him.God said those who are in the flesh can't please Him(Romans 8:8).Christians security rely in Abiding in God's Word(JESUS).
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/18/07


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2. Can a Christian fall without loosing his salvation? Yes, but God deals with him. If God does not deal with that person, then he only made a mouth confession and not a heart confession, (was never saved to start with) I use to believe as you once till I studied my bible to disprove the OSAS doctrine, but during my studies, God showed me I was wrong. I suggest you study without the aid of what others say.
---Rev_Herb on 1/18/07


1. Ms Morgan, OSAS. I hate when people use that, lets call it eternal security and it is a bible doctrine, not a damnable doctrine. We do believe you can backslide and you must suffer for it. We believe in Godly obedience as required by God. We believe that we must obey Gods word. I dont know where you people get off saying it is a damnable doctrine when you dont even know what it is because you havent rightly divided the word of God.
---Rev_Herb on 1/18/07


Mrs. Morgan,You seem to be running to the rescue of Charismatic doctrine,saying you are better than anyone because you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit,therefore you're going to be raptured? This is a false Gospel. Raptured IS saved.Saved from the wrath to come.
Revelation says those who are written in the Lambs Book of Life are the"only"ones who are saved from that wrath. The wrath is towards those who worship the beast,those who rejected Jesus Christ and salvation through the Gospel.
---Janet on 1/18/07


(1.)Ms. Janet, Helen and myself don't agree on [everything], I can't speak for Helen. OSAS is a damnable doctrine that uses false faith and pride, puffing up a person to the point that they believe "they can't fall" and that "godly obedience isn't required by God", but God says, oh yes you can fall(take heed), He says Christians must obey/yield to His Word/Commandments serving Him in Spirit and in Truth, letting the Holy Spirit direct their steps(walking In the Spirit).
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/18/07


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(2.)Janet, God said be not deceived He is not mocked, people reap what they sow, if they sow in the flesh, they will reap death, if they sow in the Spirit, the things of God(Truth), they will reap life. The Word is very clear on that, yet many Christians still choose to ignore/resist God's Saving Truth, very tragic indeed!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/18/07


Helen5378:*Every child of God who is abiding in Christ KNOWS that they will be raptured.

What do you think OSAS believes?
Helen,every child of God who has confessed they are a sinner,washed in the Blood of Jesus DOES abide in Christ, because they ARE sealed by the Holy Spirit under the first conditions just stated. You don't understand the order of importance. You teach a false Gospel. You teach those who've received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues are those who are saved.
---Janet on 1/18/07


Helen5378,
You said only those "believing" in the Rapture will be raptured. Helen, I find you so confusing. And why did you answer Janet with such an unloving reply. I don't hear her say she believes in OSAS at all. She was asking why you are so sure of being raptured, but no assurance of your salvation, of which, by the way, is OSAS.
Those who "believe" in that assurance aren't any different then your "believing" in a rapture.
---Tom on 1/18/07


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