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A preacher told me the other day that a person who does not believe in the Trinity is not saved. What do you think? What are the scriptures to back this up?

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"The trinity" is "The Triune God". God the Father bore man the Son whom bore the Holy Spirit. This belief is essential because: if you deny Jesus is God, then you deny his Almighty Godhood: and if you deny that God became a human Son, then you deny that a Redeemer who relates to humans: and if you deny that God is the Holy Ghost, then you deny his Omnipresence and that he is holy. There are many verses professing that this gospel is salvation: "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost: therefore also that holy thing which will be born of you will be called the Son from God. For to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord." Mt.1:20+ Lk.1:35+ 2:11.
---Eloy on 10/31/09


The word is synonomous The Bible says Moses was a savior he was not God but made synonomous by God putting his name in him God is where he puts his name. His name is in Jesus. You have to deny about half of the new testament scriptures to say Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God he is God because he is God's son and a son is equal with his Father but not above his Father, A son must always be in submission and show respect to his Father. He is God because he sits in God's Throne but he is still at the right hand meaning he is submissive to his Father. Find one scripture that says Jesus is the Father.
---exzucuh on 10/31/09


THere is only one God and our Father and he has a son and this was kept as a mistery until now it is revealed to those that want salvation, that have the faith of a little child, so they may see what the kingdom is all about. LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE. the image of the Father and his Son.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
---exzucuh on 10/31/09


Opposition, is the position of a celestial body, AND by what spirit dose it function. And by what manner of authority in commucation dose this spirit speak? this spirit speaks opposition contrary to the spirit of God, using Gods word With its own opinion. God said, HOW LONG HALT YE BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS. why is it that you speak the truth with lies? opposition is with in you both. and that is contrary to the Spirit of Christ.using the word of GOD for the spirit of opposition. not the spirit of Christ. Both of you know the truth.but speak not with the Spirit of truth. and are not antichrist. Cast the net on the other side of the boat.catch whats lost not whats saved. samuel
---samuel on 9/2/08


Part four-Exzucuh- this one is for you also

In part two you see three passages which refer to Jesus Christ as the Savior. If God is the only Savior how can Jesus Christ also be the Savior? The answer is simple Jesus is God For those of you who see a separation in God you would also be careful to note that God the Father in the Old Testament called Himself and His only begotten Son THE HOLY ONE and SAVIOR. There is not a plurality of Holy Ones, Saviors or persons. There is only ONE.
---David on 9/16/07




John 8:20-21 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come. Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

this was what Jesus told the Jews in the temple. he said they could not be saved because they would not believe on him, salvation was to the Jew first then the Gentile, what saves the gentile saves the Jew the same.
---exzucuh on 3/27/07


---David on 3/25/07

who is being contentious, I am presenting scripture, if you can not deal with the truth without taking offense maybe you should take some time to take in to consideration
the things I have said because I don't take offense to what is said to me I have confidence in the Gospel I present and Know what I preach is the truth, if I did not I would not even be here.
---exzucuh on 3/27/07


Exzucuh on 3/25/07-Surely both Isaac and Ishmael knew the one true God as their father Abraham did.And since neither God or Jesus change,the only way any of them knew God was through Jesus(not known as we know Jesus now).The Jews of the OT knew Jehovah through Jesus.Jesus DIDN'T say Jews are going to hell.All of Israel will be saved(Rm11:26)
---Sheila on 3/25/07


Exzucuh
I have not denied the Father nor the Son. I have simply stated that they are one. I realize that my view of that concept differs from your own but I accept that. But I will not slander you. I know this is where you will want to tell me that it is not your opinion you share but scripture. I know and quote from the same Bible you do and feel the same way. That is why I think we should agree to disagree and move on. Neither of us profits from this contentious exchange.
---David on 3/25/07


Exzucuh
I am asking that you cease attempting to slander me or anyone else for that matter. And that you admit your transgression and make amends. If you do not that is your choice. But in that case you continue to transgress. I forgive you either way But I would exhort you to find the more excellent way and love your brother as yourself. I have said my piece.
---David on 3/25/07




2 Thessalonians 3:13-15 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

to admonish someone is to warn them, that is what I am doing, I do not have enough space to do it in a manner that is not straight to the point, I deal with people who are sincere
but you can be sincerely wrong.
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


Jews and Arabs both believe they know the one true God they don't need the Son of God, they are thieves and robbers trying to get to the Father without the Son. I did not say that, Jesus did, they will go to hell, again Jesus said that,
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


Jesus said it is the Father that Draws people to him and if they knew the Father they would know the Son, and the Son is the only Way to the Father, he is the Door. You say you know Jesus, well to know Jesus is to know the way to the Father, he himself bears witness of the Father and the Father is glorified in Jesus. The purpose of the Son is salvation and that salvation is your belief in his works that his Father sent him to do, he did not come so you would deny the Father.
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


David you are upset with me because I know the scriptures, and I have witness of the scriptures
It is not my purpose to be your friend if that means I must believe your concept, I give the truth to all people and I am not popular, and am not a supported ministry, I support myself with my money I make myself with the help of God. It is my purpose to reveal all man made doctrines, so there will be no more division, I did not appoint myself this ministry, I am called to do it.
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


The scriptures are for the purpose of revealing our salvation that the Father has created for fallen mankind, They reveal the Son of God and that he is Gods son made of a woman but the seed of God, sent into this world for the purpose of reconciling us back to the Father though the Son, by the Son and for the Son,for God has made him high priest and Lord over the Church of God.

---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church:
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


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who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


Johnny5
Jesus is Everlasting Father(Isaiah 9:6),Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8), The First and The Last (Revelation 1:17), Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) Lord and God (John 20:28)The true God (1 John 5:20) The God of the Whole earth (Isaiah 54:5) God manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16) I AM (John 8:58) God (John 1:1-14, Isaiah 40:3, Hebrews 1:8) Emmanuel, God with us (Matthew 1:23) Creator of all things (Colossians 1:16).
---David on 3/24/07


Johnny5

I understand what you believe and how you feel. I disagree. I think we should agree to disagree and it is best to leave it at that. Best wishes and may the Lord bless you.
---David on 3/24/07


Father is greater than I, point to His particular temporal activity and function in the divine economy, not in anyway to His eternal and essential being. He also said that God was His own Father, making Himself equal with God. Also in John 10--Jesus words "I and the Father are one".
---catherine on 3/25/07


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David, When Jesus was on earth, not once did he claim to be God or to be equal with God. John 14:28 says,"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." He does not claim to be the Father, nor equal to Him, but says, "the Father is greater than I."
---Johnny_5 on 3/24/07


Exzucuh
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. You have spoken that which is in your heart towards me not that which is in God's heart towards me. That is why you choose and misuse the scriptures you choose. It is you that wants so badly to call me Antichrist. Even though I have proven scripturally that I am not. It is you that desires for me to prove my ministry to you not the Lord. For it is you that asked the question not the Lord.
---David on 3/24/07


Exzucuh
If you were discerning you would know that I serve the Lord. If you were discerning you would know that the Spirit of God dwells in me and you would not attempt to accuse me. I have fulfilled my obligation by asking your forgiveness and informing you that you have offended me with your words. It is not God who speaks against me it is you. You have not been using discernment. If you were you would have stopped a long time ago and realized that I serve God.
---David on 3/24/07


Exzucuh
I understand exactly what you have said. I still do not agree with it. I do not need you to show me the truth for I believe that you do not understand the truth in it fullness. You have a great deal of knowledge and understanding yet you lack one thing. That is the understanding of the fullness of the Godhead. I can agree to disagree with you can you do the same without accusing me any further?
---David on 3/24/07


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Exzucuh
As for this conversation I no longer wish to have it with you. You have wronged a fellow believer and tried to hide your actions behind scripture and it does not seem to bother you. Your actions and your lack of acknowledgment with regard to those actions indicate that you feel you have no need to change your tactics nor make amends for your transgressions against me. With that in mind I do not feel that any further conversation would be productive.
---David on 3/24/07


there working for the forces of evil and don't even realize it.
---karen on 3/23/07

This is true and with the help of the Father and the Son I will reveal them all.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


Karen
Thank you. That means alot. I know that we do not entirely agree on the Godhead but I know we both love Jesus and we can respect one another regardless of our differences and I appreciate that. Again thanks.
---David on 3/23/07

If you would believe Scripture instead of a Godhead doctrine, you could agree with each other.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


We can start again if you like, I have found that people who are blind to the truth sometimes will see it if I present it again.
One particular thing I notice is, you do not Know that if there are scriptures that do not agree with your theology, there is something wrong with your theology not the Scriptures, Daniel and Stephen were chosen by God to be a witness in scripture . It does not back the trinity because there is no third person mentioned.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


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1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

As you see It was John that said you are Antichrist for not believing in the Father and the Son not me.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

It was Jesus that said he would back your word with signs. not Me.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

Godhead doctrines get people excited and clannish, they separate in groups, but it is only flesh no Spirit and demonstration of the Power.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

This is my intention, to bring awareness of ones own place, for we can be lost and deceived and not know it. We are not playing a game, souls are at risk.

Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


---David on 3/23/07
Just because trinitarians use those scriptures
Is meaningless, they are still there and bear witness that there is one God and our Father and
he has a Son his only begotten our One Lord Jesus Christ and they are one By God's Spirit. The Spirit of God is not a Person in the Godhead, it is the Godhead and is how the Godhead is in Jesus,


---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


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Karen
Thank you. That means alot. I know that we do not entirely agree on the Godhead but I know we both love Jesus and we can respect one another regardless of our differences and I appreciate that. Again thanks.
---David on 3/23/07


David, you have done well. You are doing what we are called to do, and bring the truth. Don't let anyone else tell you any different. Some will go to great extreme's to discredit someone and demonstrate how holy they are, and so condemn you for even speaking out. God bless you brother and don't let it get to you. There is many instruments out there working for the forces of evil and don't even realize it.
---karen on 3/23/07


Exzucuh
I have read my own words and I have read the Word of God. What you shown me in terms of where the Father and Son appear together are the same things Trinitarians use as evidence for three persons. Should I then agree with them because they claim to have the truth and consider the doctrine I speak to be heresy? I think not. I have shown you the truth and you have rejected it and attempted to slander me in the process. It is you accusations and not your disagreement with me that is problematic.
---David on 3/23/07


Exzucuh
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

I quoted 1 timothy 3:16, colossians2:8-9 and many other scriptures and have confessed that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

I am not Antichrist nor am I under the wrath of God. The Spirit of God is in me. I am not surprised that you missed that. Your anger has blinded you. You are too busy trying to personally attack me. Where is your discernment?
---David on 3/23/07


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Exzucuh
I have not told you that you do not know God. I have not implied that you are Antichrist. I have not challenged you to prove your ministry with signs and wonders. I have not tried to say that you are under God's wrath for what you believe. I have however, been very critical of your doctrine. If you cannot handle that disagreement and it causes you to do all the aforementioned things. which it has Perhaps you should consider a different venue to share your beliefs.
---David on 3/23/07


Exzucuh
My point is your accusations are truly over the line. And we should find a way to disagree peacefully. If we cannot then I suggest our discussion end here. If I have offended you I apologize. You have very much offended me by your accusations and trying to make me prove that God has confirmed my ministry.
---David on 3/23/07


Your accusations do not impress me. your interpretations lack substantiation and harmonization with the scripture as a whole. Your interpretations simply reflect your religious dogma and opinions not fact. Scripture does not need interpretation it speaks for itself.
---David on 3/22/07

Read your own words, It saves me from typing them about you, You have ignored the truth I have given you, especially the ones where people saw the Father and the Son together.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


I have given you two eyewitness accounts of people who saw Jesus and the Father together as two separate beings and the Law says by two or three witnesses is something established,they were Stephen and Daniel, I have given you the words of the Father about Jesus and the words of Jesus about the Father, I have given you the Apostles account word for word what they said I changed nothing.
---Exzucuh on 3/23/07


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Exzucuh
On 3/20/07 I said Jesus is the son of God according to the flesh. Read what is actually posted rather than substituting your own reality. Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God. He is also the Almighty God manifest in flesh. Your omissions and constant attempts to accuse me, discredit me and put me under God's wrath will only damage your credibility and harm you spiritually. God's wrath is not upon me as you imply if you were using any degree of discernment you would see that.
---David on 3/22/07


Exzucuh
Jesus is the Son of God, the Everlasting Father and it is His Spirit that indwells His children. The Fullness of the Godhead is in Him, He is the one that was and is and is to come. He is the one that liveth and was dead and is alive forevermore. He is the I AM. He purchased the church with His own blood. He is the root and offspring of David. There is no denial of the Son here only Bible.
---David on 3/22/07


Your accusations do not impress me. I have not denied the Father. I am sorry you cannot see that. Why can you not see that for every scripture you have a man made answer that you have created or perhaps been taught? You quote and interpret but your interpretations lack substantiation and harmonization with the scripture as a whole. Your interpretations simply reflect your religious dogma and opinions not fact. Scripture does not need interpretation it speaks for itself.
---David on 3/22/07


Exzucuh
You have asked me to prove my ministry to you, you have repeatedly told me that I do not know God and you have repeatedly told me I deny the Father and Son. You even seemed to imply at one point that I am Antichrist. Not something you should say about a Spirit filled believer Again, choose to believe whatever you wish but save your accusations.
---David on 3/22/07


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Jesus is Everlasting Father(Isaiah 9:6),Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8), The First and The Last (Revelation 1:17), Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) Lord and God (John 20:28)The true God (1 John 5:20) The God of the Whole earth (Isaiah 54:5) God manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16) I AM (John 8:58) God (John 1:1-14, Isaiah 40:3, Hebrews 1:8) Emmanuel, God with us (Matthew 1:23) Creator of all things (Colossians 1:16).
---David on 3/22/07


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Colossians 1: 15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Matthew 4:10b it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve
---David on 3/22/07


John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Believing on the Trinity is not salvation, believing Jesus is the Father is not Salvation, If you do not believe Jesus is God's Son the wrath of God abides on you.
---Exzucuh on 3/22/07


The Eunuch that Philip revealed the Scripture to was reading out of Isaiah, the ones you say declare Jesus is the Father, Philip said they revealed Jesus is the Son of God and would not baptize the Eunuch until he confessed it. Why? because he knew that revelation was for salvation, as did all the apostles.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
---Exzucuh on 3/22/07


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Eloy, why do you say, "every tongue opposing you is condemned" What is it about you that will condemn anyone that disagree's with you? Am I suppose to agree in everything you say or I lose my salvation? I don't want to be lost Eloy, please help me. What do I have to do? Be enlighten by the Spirit to God's word, or just read your answers, because your answers are truth itself?
---karen on 3/22/07


---talloola on 3/21/07

Mans flesh was made out of the Earth Jesus flesh was made from the Word and when you look at his flesh you see the Word that is God he is made of the incorruptible seed of God the Word, That seed of God reproduced his Image the First born of every creature the Alpha and the Last or second Adam the Omega, there will be no more Sons of God except by faith and through Jesus.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


--David on 3/21/07

Thy throne O, God was the proclamation that The Son would sit in Gods throne and All power is given him in Heaven and earth. That there is no name above his Name that his Name is Synonymous with the Father and the Holy Spirit of God in the Earth. a Son is given His name shall be called wonderful counselor(Holy Spirit) everlasting Father Mighty God and Prince of peace

As you fight on you continue to deny the Father I hope he does not get his feelings hurt.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


Genesis 41:40-42 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt. And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;

Go and read the Story of Joseph it is a type of The father Giving Jesus his Throne
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


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Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

I have shown you the Father and the Son and the Father giving the Son power.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
---David on 3/21/07


---David on 3/21/07

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

According to your interpretation this would make me be God because I am Joined unto the Lord being one spirit there must be no God beside me.

There is only One God and our Father he alone is God and Savior and his Son Jesus is equal with him because he is his Son but he is subject to him Jesus said my Father is greater than I, God said you are my Son this day I have begotten you.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


Exzucuh, John 14:6-9 says: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
---talloola on 3/21/07


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Exzucuh, I do not deny the Father because I know Him just as this scripture states. I believe just as the scripture states that Jesus and the Father are One. Jesus was God manifest in flesh just as John states. On another subject we as Christians need to remember that these blogs should be used as a tool for growth. We should not use them to personally attack other Christians and their walk.
---talloola on 3/21/07


Exzucuh
I have already asked God to reveal Himself to me. Furthermore the Lord has given me knowledge, wisdom and understanding. It is not mine or of me but Him that gives it to me for His glory and purpose. You need to use a little discernment here because you know not what you speak. You may accuse me of not knowing the Father or the Son as much as you like but it does not prove your doctrine nor does it make you correct.
---David on 3/21/07


Exzucuh
As for my ministry I would urge you to exercise caution when touching upon things you do not know. It is not your right to question what God has set in order. But to answer your question yes God bears witness of my ministry and His anointing and calling upon me. Not Just me but thousands of others who preach the truth you seem to despise.
---David on 3/21/07


---David on 3/21/07
Let me ask you this does God bear witness of what you are preaching, does he back it by signs, wonders and miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost, have you raised the dead or cast out devils, God bears witness to the truth by these things in a ministry.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


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---David on 3/21/07
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

you need to ask Jesus to reveal his Father to you because you are denying him. all you who say Jesus is the Father you do not know the Father, you only know the one who is the way to the Father. I will not say you don't have the Father only that you don't know him. and will not recognize him.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


I feel as if I am coming into the middle of a discussion but I want to put in my two cents. You do not need to believe the Trinity to be saved. This is not stated anywhere in the Bible. The New Testament clearly states what a person must do to live a Christian life. We are taught to repent, be baptized and to receive the gift of the Sprit. We are taught to love our neighbors as ourselves. I do not see anywhere in the New Testament where we are taught that we must believe the Trinity to be saved.
---talloola on 3/21/07


Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


Hosea 14:3 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
---David on 3/21/07


Proverbs 18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. My knowlege comes from the Lord not college
---David on 3/21/07


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I indeed believe that God is one. He is the Word the I AM and Alpha and Omega as the Bible says. I do not misinterpret the scriptures because I do not interpret them at all I let them speak for themselves. It is with childlike faith that I came to know the Lord not vain philosophies. that is why I can see Him for who He is. I didn't tell Him He is not God or that He is separate persons. I met God on His terms not my own and not through a doctrinal debate. I let the Lord Jesus reveal Himself to me.
---David on 3/21/07


Colossians 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

You are misinterpreting the Scriptures, because the way they are written,
If you wish to believe there is another God beside the Father you can make it from this Scripture. If you know the Father and he alone is God and you know his Son Jesus, you know what Paul is Saying.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


Scriptures are to be understood by childlike faith not knowledge that takes a college education or Spiritual knowledge beyond comprehension, A little Child can know the scriptures , a little child can understand a Father sending his Son to die for them, Godhead doctrines cannot be understood by anyone if they could they could be proven by scripture but they can't. You cannot make oneness or trinity Line up with scripture there is always controversy, But Father and Son lines up with all Scripture.
---Exzucuh on 3/21/07


You people must believe in a God of "one", not of "Three".
---Johnny_5 on 3/21/07


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Exzucuh

By the way perhaps you should re-read Hosea 14:3 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me. Your two savior argument falls flat here and clearly conflicts with what verse actually says. There is no savior besides God meaning there is no other savior anywhere for any reason period
---David on 3/20/07


I am sure you have a careful albeit entirely vainly philosophical and erroneous argument (Col 2:89)to refute these scriptures which clearly show the deity of Jesus. An exercise in futility I assure you. Such conclusions will be based solely on your private interpretation. The people on this forum are savvy enough and have enough understanding to realize that the doctrine you teach is erroneous.
---David on 3/20/07


Simple to answer God the Father is our Savior because he sent his Son to Die for us and Jesus is our savior because he obeyed his Father. Jesus uses the word Both and we and My when speaking about his Father, Stephen looked into heaven and he did not see Jesus your god but he saw the Son of God standing at the Fathers right hand. Daniel saw the Ancient of days And the Son of Man Jesus standing before him now you try to make that line up with you Jesus god theory.
---Exzucuh on 3/20/07


The Father is greater than I point to His temporal activity and function in the divine economy. Not in any way to His eternal and essential Being.What does Son of God mean? "Equal with God." Jesus was guided strictly by His Father's will. Even tho He is God Himself.
---catherine on 3/20/07


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Exzucuh
First, You still have not directly addressed part 4 of my last set posts which contains a direct question. Second, I have given no theory only what is evident in scripture. Third, I have not denied the Son or the Father. The sonship of Jesus Christ began when the Word of God became flesh (John 1) That very same Word that became flesh is also God. He is Son of God according to the flesh very God according to the Spirit.
---David on 3/20/07


---David on 3/20/07
Your right it is simple God is in Jesus So therefore through his son he has saved us Jesus said I can do nothing of myself it is my Father that does the work, Jesus said his Father in him was responsible for everything he did because he alway did his Fathers will.

Your theory denies the Son and the Father, there can be no Son without a Father and if Jesus is the Father who is the Son. He that has not the Father and the Son is an Antichrist.
---Exzucuh on 3/20/07


.johnt, No, you talk to those who talk to you.
---Eloy on 3/20/07


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