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Baptism Of The Holy Spirit

What is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? How does the Baptism of the Holy Spirit help your Christian walk?

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Mrs Morgan is correct Jesus didnt promise a 2 stage salvation Neither do we read about 2 types of Christians One with the power and one without. This is just a false doctrine to match in with peoples preconceived ideas and not what Jesus promised
The Holy spirit is the seal (God's signature) of our salvation Ephesians1,13-14
which the Ephesians received in Acts19,6
prior to that they beleived in their own strength but had not yet received the faith of Jesus which made them into true believers and God's love was then poured out in their hearts Romans5,5
---Rodney on 2/8/10


the bible says that the baptism of the holy spirit will lead you unto all truth.
the baptism of the holy spirit is an overflow of the spirit within, coming out of you,filling you within and without with god's love and power. some speak in tongues, some prophesy,and have other gifts.
---Ruth6356 on 10/10/08


#7 The Holy Spirit was the one Spirit, the only necessary Agent of that one baptism. Jesus Christ is the one Lord or Head of that one Body. Therefore, thirsty believers do not receive the baptism of or in the Spirit, nor a fresh baptism. That is not Scriptural language. Thirsty saints drink of the fulness of the Spirit, which was fully poured out for us, All who drink become filled with rivers of living water,John 7:38.
---Debbie on 10/6/08


Sorry Gabrielle, I misread the way your response was written.

On the "preaching to the choir" note: "off key" always needs a "tune up"

I too love Bruce's exegesis on the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
---Linda on 5/26/07


Linda, you're preaching to the choir.
I know all of that. I was calling out to a good blogger.
---Gabrielle on 5/25/07




Gabrielle, Bruce does believe the baptism of the Holy Ghost exists. His posts are for the purpose of showing that the Holy Ghost is given to one as soon as he is born again but that there is a subsequent baptism of the Holy Ghost that comes upon the believer for the purpose of making him a witness.
---Linda on 5/25/07


Gabrielle, Bruce does believe the baptism of the Holy Ghost exists. His posts are for the purpose of showing that the Holy Ghost is given to one as soon as he is born again but that there is a subsequent baptism of the Holy Ghost that comes upon the believer for the purpose of making him a witness.
---Linda on 5/25/07


Bruce, wherever you are, come back. Take Gifts/Offices quiz if you don't believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit exists. Read CN gift section. The Holy Spirit will help you see people as He does. Tense discussions here give us an opportunity to practice acceptance by believing the best about others.
It is impossible to grow with an attitude that constantly disapproves of others. Fault-finding, a critical/judgmental spirit will not help others learn about the things of God.
---Gabrielle on 5/25/07


#8 The experience of receiving the Holy Spirit is never once called the baptism of the Spirit in the epistles except in I Cor. 12:13, which refers only to the day of Pentecost. To drink only refers to our experience.
---Debbie on 5/25/07


PART ONE:
Mrs Morgan,
I did not skirt or avoid the scriptures you noted. The interpretation of the scriptures you gave is predicated on the (false) premise that we do not receive the Holy Spirit at conversion but only at Holy Spirit baptism.

If that premise is shown to be false (as Romans 8 specifically and clearly does) then there is no point in taking it any further. The onus is on you to demonstrate that Romans 8 does not contradict your premise.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07




PART TWO:
If Romans 8 is to be taken seriously, those who were baptized in the Holy Spirit were Spirit indwelt Christians who received the subsequent Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


PART THREE:
For example, in order for the integrity of Romans 8 to be preserved, Paul's question to the Ephesians "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed" must be understood to be "Have you been baptized in the Holy Ghost since you believed?"

So tell us, how is Romans 8 to be understood if not as described below?
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


PART ONE:
Mrs Morgan,
I did not skirt or avoid the scriptures you noted. The interpretation of the scriptures you gave is predicated on the (false) premise that we do not receive the Holy Spirit at conversion but only at Holy Spirit baptism.

If that premise is shown to be false (as Romans 8 specifically and clearly does) then there is no point in taking it any further. The onus is on you to demonstrate that Romans 8 does not contradict your premise.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


PART TWO:
If Romans 8 is to be taken seriously, those who were baptized in the Holy Spirit were Spirit indwelt Christians who received the subsequent Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


PART THREE:
For example, in order for the integrity of Romans 8 to be preserved, Paul's question to the Ephesians "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed" must be understood to be "Have you been baptized in the Holy Ghost since you believed?"

So tell us, how is Romans 8 to be understood if not as described below?
---BRUCE5656 on 1/22/07


*Correction typo(2.)exzucuh, ...that many have "looked over" in regard to Jesus appearing to the disciples after His resurrection....
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/20/07


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BRUCE5656, I have to disagree with you, the Scriptures given were not addressed/pondered but rather skirted. Any way there are different doctrines as usual on this, But God said to study to show thyself approved, comparing Scripture with Scripture praying for wisdom/godly reasoning. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/20/07


(1.)exzucuh, I'm non-denominational and there are varying degrees of belief within each denomination and those beliefs should be [tried] by the Word/harmonize with the Word, and not man logic(which never works), the Lord expects His people to prove ALL things [His way]. Once again, I believe in comparing Scripture with Scripture, many don't adhere to that on a consistent basis in the Christian World, and it leads to people "looking over" things in the Word. I noticed a Scripture last night...
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/20/07


(2.)exzucuh, ...that many have "looked over" in regard to Jesus appearing to the discipline after His resurrection. You can email or penpal me, because as I have stated I have to cut down the bloggings significantly. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/20/07


I have to back Bruce up on the word he gave, Thats an old pentecostal belief Mrs Morgan, about the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Peter had the Spirit in him if not he would have been somewhere else the Baptism was for power in ministry It was upon him, Being filled with the Spirit is not a one time thing you need a renewing of the Spirit on occasion that is what revival is about. All this one time doctrine causes spiritual death.
---exzucuh on 1/19/07


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Mrs Morgan
You limit the Holy one of Israel with your time related doctrine Martha said Lazerath will be raised in the resurrection, but Jesus is a now Jesus To many want yesterday Jesus or someday Jesus, Unless you get hold of Now faith is, And know that Jesus can give the Holy Spirit whenever he wants he can do it Now! heal Now, save now, deliver now,resurrect now, There is no time in the kingdom . That time doctrine will steal your faith.
---exzucuh on 1/19/07


PART ONE:
Mrs. Morgan,
Your outlook that Christians do not receive the Holy Spirit in them until they are baptized in the Spirit is false and wholly unstabtantiated in Scripture.

There is no way to have you see the truth of the matter so long as you espouse that falsehood.

In Romans 8:1-16, Paul specifically, clearly, definitively deals with the truth that every Christian has the Spirit of God in them
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART TWO:
Notice that in verse 9 Paul defines exactly what he means by being in the Spirit vs in the flesh.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART THREE:
So, If the Spirit of God does not dwell in the Christian, he is In the flesh v 9

If he is in the flesh:
He is in condemnation v 1
walking after the flesh v 1
minding the things of the flesh v 5
dead v 6
cannot please God v 8
not of Christ v 9
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


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PART FOUR:
will not be raised in the resurrection v 11
debtor to the flesh v 12
shall die v 13
not a son of God v 14
not adopted into the family of God v 15
cannot call God father v 15

In short, he is not a Christian at all who does not have the Spirit of God living in them.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART FIVE:
I just dont know how you could have any more a definitive statement than this passage that every Christian, by definition, has the Spirit of God living in them. Remember, Paul has specifically told us what he means by not in the flesh and what it is to have the Spirit of God and that is having the Spirit of God dwell in you.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART SIX:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

If that were not enough,

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


PART SEVEN:
1 Corinthians 6:19, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

So, clearly, to be a Christian, is, by definition, to have the Spirit of God living in you. This does not negate reality of the subsequent (to conversion and receiving the Holy Spirit in you) baptism of the Holy Spirit
---BRUCE5656 on 1/19/07


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(4.)Bruce5656,(1 Corinth) and (Romans) was written in the days of the "early church" [after]Pentecost,the Holy Spirit was already sent by that time,Paul preached salvation AND the Baptism of the Holy Ghost,asked folks have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?You must take that into consideration when reading(1 Corinth)&(Romans)concering the Holy Spirit &the fact that some members of those churches were familar with most of Paul's teachings, which were the teachings of Christ. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(1.)Bruce5656, What's your point? In (John 20:22), the Holy Spirit wasn't given yet, that was to come at Pentecost. Jesus said: He(the Holy Spirit)is with you, -AND- shall be in you(John 14:17)(shall be, meaningthat wasn't to take place until Pentecost).
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(2.)Bruce5656, Are you assuming that the Holy Spirit was already given in (John 20:22) because Jesus "breathed on them"? That just doesn't agree with "Ye shall receive power, and [ after ] that the Holy Ghost is come upon you."(Acts:1:8). Bruce5656, Being filled and baptized with the Holy Ghost are synonymous, John had the Holy Ghost in His mother womb...
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


(2.)Bruce5656, Are you assuming that the Holy Spirit was already given in (John 20:22) because Jesus "breathed on them"? That just doesn't agree with "Ye shall receive power, and [ after ] that the Holy Ghost is come upon you."(Acts:1:8). Bruce5656, Being filled and baptized with the Holy Ghost are synonymous, John had the Holy Ghost in His mother womb...
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


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(3.)Bruce5656, ...some Old Testament people were actually filled with Him too. But Joel [prophesied] that in the [last days], God would pour out His Spirit, meaning more people would be "full of the Holy Ghost" then ever before, and that started at Pentecost. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/19/07


When John the baptist said, ".. he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:", the fire is a purifying fire. In 2Corinthians 5:17 Paul said that we are a "new creature" in Christ spiritually. The baptism in the Holy Spirit and the "purifying" fire helps us to be transformed into the image of His dear Son.
---Rickey on 1/19/07


You ever notice how one christian who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit and is yielding to Him and one who hasn't been baptized differ in their walk with God and overcoming sin. The baptism in fire helps to overcome/get rid of sin because they don't have to do it in their own power.
---Rickey on 1/19/07


Too Rev.Herb--- ACTS 2.3 says," And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Do you consider the cloven tongues like as of fire spoken of here as a form of punishment?
---Mima on 1/19/07


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Every word that I write GOD gives to me. If you get up set with me, it's really GOD that you are up set with. Have a great day.+
---CATHERINE on 1/19/07


It is the sinner who wil be baptized with fire. When the bible speaks of fire it means punishment.
---Rev_Herb on 1/19/07


We, as believers, are baptised with water and the HOLY SPIRIT and also you may through fire in there too.
---CATHERINE on 1/18/07


QUESTION: What does this mean? What do we have to obey to receive the Holy Ghost?

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
---Laura on 1/18/07


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Mark,
"Bruce, In John 20:22, they did not get baptised,"

That is exactly my point.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/17/07


Bruce, In John 20:22, they did not get baptised, they recieved the holy spirit...recieving and being baptised are completely different things, or else jesus would have said receive the holy spirit in ACTs
---mark on 1/10/07


Baptism in the greek language means being submerged into, an example is of a greek recipe that was found that contained the word baptised(but in greek), it was a cucumber to be soaked and submerged into the solution, vinager whatever it was, adn to be changed into a pickle...Jesus says be baptized Acts 1:5 with the holy spirit...basically it means you will be submerged and changed "into a pickle" into something new even after you have believed...cont
---mark on 1/10/07


The disciples believed in Christ, but yet they still were to be baptized in the Holy Spirit... after they were baptized everything turned 180 for them...look at peter usually shy now saying things w/ authority, walking in basically a "bubble" of the holy spirit so that people would just go to his shadow and be healed...

I think we can even say the disciples were batized a 2nd time in Acts 4:31...cont
---mark on 1/10/07


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The disciples in Acts 4:31 had a similar experience to what they had experienced, they were baptized again except this time the place was shaken instead of a mighty wind sound, you only receive Jesus into your heart once...but baptism can be again??? thats a funny one to look at eh(or however you spell it)
They were submerged into the Holy Spirit again, and as a result changed dramatically again "they were turned into pickles" again, now they were able to speak the word of God boldly...
---mark on 1/10/07


Op sorry bruce i basically agree with you on everything, i just didnt read far enough so i assumed...SOrry for that...
---mark on 1/10/07


Debbie,
You cannot whip out a scripture verse make your own assumptions about it come up w/ a hence and say that that is the only one that will ever take place, yes i see the divine soverignty in it...if you look throughout history people go through the same thing that the discples go through (a baptism of the HOly spirit)then there ministry is radically changed as was the the ministry of the apostles
---mark on 1/10/07


#1 Bruce, In I Cor. 12:13, "For by one spirit( the 2nd "one" in Eph. 4:4-6) are we baptized (one baptism, 6th "one" of Eph. 4:4-6) into one body (1st "one" of eph. 4:4-6). The "one" baptism is the baptism that took place on the Day of Pentecost, when all of the New Creation was baptized into the body of Christ. There were 120 that were initially baptized into that Body.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


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#2 After that, those that received the infilling of the Holy Ghost were said to filled or to drink of the Spirit. They were not said to baptized in the Spirit.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


PART ONE:
Debbie,
I found your explanation a little hard to follow. What do you mean by "We read here of the first, second, and the sixth ones" First, second and sixth what?
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART TWO:
I agree with your conclusion that while several baptisms are mentioned in the NT, Eph 4:5 can only refer to one and that must be the most significant one. You are saying that the "one baptism" is the baptism in the Spirit. On this I disagree. The one baptism is the baptism in the body by the spirit.
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART THREE:
For the sake of anyone who does not understand, baptism is a translation of the Greek "baptizo" and means to be placed fully within, to immerse or submerge.
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


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PART FOUR:
There are three main baptisms to be understood in order to understand what the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is. In each case there is a someone to baptize, a someone to be baptized and and something to be baptized in. Ill call them the baptizer, baptizee and element.

Baptism in the body
Baptism in water
Baptism in the Holy Spirit
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART FIVE:
Water baptism: It is only necessary to bring up water baptism to distinguish if from the other baptisms. It is, as you have mentioned, symbolic. The baptizer is man, the baptizee is the convert and the element is water.
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART SIX:
Baptism in the body:. This is salvation. Paul describes being placed within the body of Jesus (baptized into Christ) and the benefit of being placed with in his body in Romans 6. You referred to I Cor 12:13 as speaking of baptism in the spirit but it does not say that. It refers to baptism in the bodyby the Spirit and receiving in us the Spirit (drink into one Spirit.)
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART SEVEN:
1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

At conversion, the Spirit places us (baptizes us into) in the body (Jesus) and becomes resident in us. The first example of the Holy Spirit becoming resident in someone following the resurrection of Jesus is in John 20:22, "And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them,
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


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PART EIGHT:
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:" The baptizer is the Holy Spirit, the baptizee is the convert and the element is Jesus Christ himself.

I wish to make it very clear that every saved individual has the Spirit of God living in them. I Cor 6:19. Rom 8:9
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART NINE:
Baptism in the Spirit: To these same people, (to whom he had already given his Spirit to live in them) he said; Acts 1:5, "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." This was also prophesied by John. Matthew 3:11, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART TEN:
We see the first instance of baptism in the Holy Sprit on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. This (baptism in the Spirit) takes place subsequent to salvation (the indwelling of the Spirit). The baptizer is Jesus, the baptizee is the Christian and the element is the Holy Spirit.

There are several examples in Acts that demonstrate the subsequent (to conversion) baptism in the Holy Spirit conclusively.
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART ELEVEN:
Acts 2: Pentecost those to whom the Spirit had already been given were fiilled with the Holy Ghost. The word baptize is not used here but it is a fulfillment of Jesus promise ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost so we see recognize it as the inaugural Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


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PART TWELVE:
Acts 8: Samarian revival Here we are told specifically that there were converts who had not yet "received the Holy Ghost." Since they are already saved, (had already been baptized in water) this can only be understood to mean had not received the Holy Ghost as they did on the day of Pentecost. (That which Jesus called Baptized in the Holy Spirit.)
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART THIRTEEN:
Acts 9: Paul Converted on road to Damascus, addressed by Ananias as "brother" but was yet to be "filled with the Holy Ghost."

Acts 19: Ephesians - Converted under Apollos ministry, referred to as disciples (as were all Christians throughout Acts), asked "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?" instructed in water baptism, baptized and then "the Holy Ghost came upon them."
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


PART FOURTEEN:
So we can see that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is in fact (normally) received subsequent to conversion. (There is one example of it being received concurrent with salvation in Acts 11)

Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit? Acts 1:8, "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
---Bruce5656 on 1/10/07


The Baptism in the Holy Spirit can take place at the moment you receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become born again. It happened to Cornelius.

Usually it follows repentance, saving faith, and water baptism. Heb. 6:1-2

Baptism in the Holy Spirit allows for the demonstration of the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor. 12
---Gabrielle on 1/10/07


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To receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit

You must be born again and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

You have to ask for the Baptism in the Holy Spirit Luke 11:9

You have to surrender Romans 12:1

You must be willing to obey the Holy Spirit
To be immersed in Holy Spirit, you must be willing

You need to believe with faith
Did you receive the Holy Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal 3:2
---Gabrielle on 1/10/07


Debbie, I have to say you do an EXCELLENT job at explaining things. I actually just got done a study on being born again, being saved, and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. You confirmed my study, so thank you very much.
---Donna9759 on 1/10/07


#1 Eph. 4:5: One baptism This cannot be baptism in water because it is only a memorial, a symbolic baptism. Water baptism answers to circumcision under the old covenant, which was a sign, a seal. Rom. 4:11. If baptism in water were the One baptism, then the baptism in the Spirit would be no baptism or it would have a secondary place which is impossible. The One baptism is unmistakably the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


#2 John the Baptist and Jesus both spoke of this baptism, Matt. 3:11; Acts 1:5. This baptism occurred on the day of Pentecost. Study I Cor.12:13. We read here of the first, second, and the sixth ones, the one Body, the one Spirit, and the one baptism. The mystical Body of Christ, called the Church, was soverignly constituted on the day of Pentecost. It was formed of both Jews and Gentiles, termed the mystery in Eph. 3:4,6.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


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#3 Those who had before believed, and on that day were filled with the Spirit, became the nucleus of the Church of Christ. Hence, all who believe on Jesus throughout this Church period were that day counted as baptized into the one Body. Therefore, there is absolutely only one Body, and there was only one baptism. There cannot be more than one Body; therefore, there cannot be another baptism in the Spirit. Most people fail to see that the baptism in the Spirit was a divine sovereign act.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


#4 I believe that some see it, but refuse to accept it as the truth. God gathered the one hundred and twenty disciples. He set the time for them to be baptized. They could not have been filled with the Spirit thirty minutes sooner than they were, no matter what they might have prayed. That hour of that day was the set time of the Holy Spirits advent from Heaven. It was in perfect accord with Lev. 23:16. That was the fulfillment of the promised outpouring of the Spirit.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


#5 John and Jesus announced it as the baptism in the Spirit, because it should constitute a new company of believers which Jesus termed My Church, Matt.16:18. There was one death of the old creation by the sovereign death of one Man, Jesus, in their behalf. Study the ones in Romans five. Christ died for both Jews and Gentiles once. He broke down the enmity between them, and made way for a new creation to be found out of both.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


#6 We saw in (Eph. 2:4-6), Jesus brought up from death with Him a new creation. According to Gods sovereign counting, the whole old creation (the entire human race)died and its penalty was paid in the death of Christ. On the other hand, not all believe on Jesus, and only those who did were raised from the dead with Him. In the same way, after His sovereign reckoning, by the one baptism, He made all believers of this age (the church or grace age) part of the one Body which is the assembly or Church.
---Debbie on 1/10/07


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