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To Salvation To The Obedient

Is salvation a reward for our behavior or for our obedience? Or is salvation absolutely free for the asking?

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We saints are not stained by sin for sin shall have no power over us. In HIM, we are continually set free from sin. One sacrifice for all time. HE now sits on the right hand of the Father. It is finished.
---duane on 6/2/09


Time for a Common Sense Teaching Moment From Frances.

So sit back, relax, and let the truth sink in...

"Jesus died to prove that the Word of God was the truth and He lived constantly warning all those who do not obey the Commandments of God, that they will be judged by Jesus. Jesus came as our Saviour first time around, then next time He visits us it will be as Judge. Those who accept Him as Saviour must cease from their sins. He saves us from sin. He helps us to overcome the power of sin on our lives. Those who continue to sin have not accepted Jesus as Lord. In fact they work for Satan by giving God's people a bad name, in their service of Satan, the god of this world."

Brought to you courtesy of Frances
---Anne on 6/2/09


Time For Another Common Sense Teaching Moment

Brought to you Courtesy of Frances 5/3/09 Name in Book of Life blog:

"If you do not keep God's Commandments, you will have your name struck from the book of life. The Commandments are written in your heart and mind, the Holy Spirit gives us a conscience. There is no excuse for any human to do evil. If you have done evil and repent (turn away) from it, begging God for forgiveness and never returning to the sin, you are saved. If you backslide, but repent, you are saved. If you continually backslide and do so willfully, knowing the truth, then you have to take the consequences of eternity in Hell. He wants us to escape Hell, therefore He sends prophets and Jesus."
---Anne on 6/2/09


Dave,
What must a man do to be saved? Ans. Believe on HIM who HE has sent. Now OBEY the word and trust in HIM to give you life.(salvation). There is no other way, its by grace through faith.
---duane on 6/2/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

We're able to Love God because He First Loved us and it's only through being Drawn by God's Love into the Charity of Loving our Lord, God with all our Heart, Soul & Mind, that we're able to 'Endure'(persevere) all things :FOR Charity never faileth!!

Do not be deceived, it's not of your own strength but the 'Passion of Christ' which has persevered unto Salvation. All Glory goes to God for supplying all the needs of the Chosen Elect through His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus : Whose strength is made perfect in God's Children's weakness, enabling us to do all things, 'Persevering' in His Obedience Unto Death. (2Cor.12:9-10)
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09




Miche, to the question of this blog....is salvation a reward for obedience? Well only the obedience of FAITH...PERIOD!

Romans 16:25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

27To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Nothing about your self effort here!

I OBEY the Gospel according to the MYSTERY ONLY
---kathr4453 on 6/2/09


Kath,
I believe most agree that once we accepted Jesus, our robes are washed clean.

But since we have to walk in this world, sometimes sin does touch us.
When this happens, we must go to Christ and have him wash our feet to keep us clean until he comes back for us. Its part of running the race for Christ, of enduring until the end,and our relationship with him.
How could we stay clean if we don't do this?
Should we remain as babes on milk? no
After cleansing us of sin, Jesus requires us to grow in the grace he has given. He wants the seed planted in our hearts to become a great tree producing wonderful fruit for him. If we remain babes on milk, we aren't being obedient to Christ or showing him love.
---miche3754 on 6/2/09


Kathr,
You asked, "Dave, Do you know what salvation is?" and jumped to Hebrews.

A sensible person will not go to a butcher shop to buy a birthday cake.

Hebrews 2:10-14 explains how Christ is the savior. Ephesians 2:1-10 explains how God saves a sinner.

Please read Ephesians 2:1-10. Verses 1 & 5 say, sinners are dead persons to God. God may quicken them to (eternal) life. Verses 2 & 3 say, sin became past to them, not present. Verses 5 & 8 say, they are saved by grace that is gift of God. Verses 9 & 10 say, God works in us to walk in holy path, but not in sin. Conversion from sinning to walk in holiness is salvation. Lost people will be sinning.
---Dave on 6/2/09


Dave, You say...One minute...if you are obeying..you're saved, and the next...if you are not obeying..you are lost....back and forth, back and forth. What a horrible thing to live under. Even in the OT, they had to sacrifice to temporarily cover sin...don't we have so much more? You scoff at the Blood of Jesus.

The Blood of Jesus PURGED our conscience from dead works to serve the Living God.

Apostasy is simply this....denying the Blood of Jesus and ALL that His death and resurrection accomplished.

Have you washed your robes in the Blood of the Lamb? Without HIS perfect once and for all cleansing...His Blood....you're nothing...no matter how much you think you might be obeying!
---kathr4453 on 6/2/09


Salvation is offered freely to all-
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me

After receiving free salvation, we must ..
1 Peter 2:2
as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby

Those who do good works without Christ labor in vain.
Those who do good works with/in Christ
are running their race and as long as they don't drop out, they are assured salvation.
Those who labor with/in Christ are producing the fruit that He tells them to They are being obedient to Christ and following in his footsteps.
---miche3754 on 6/2/09




Kathr,
You have quoted me, "You better depend on your obedience to God to gain salvation and to escape the lake of fire." Yes, it is true. Read the word of God. "Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then MADE FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness ... 22 But now being made free from sin, and become SERVANTS TO GOD, ye have your fruit unto HOLINESS, and THE END EVERLASTING LIFE." Obedience lead to everlasting life. So, You better depend on your obedience to God to gain salvation and to escape the lake of fire.
---Dave on 6/2/09


Kathr,
You wrote: "Dave, Salvation is a GIFT from God, etc,... we can do to add to that work."
God gives his wrath to his enemies and deceivers, but not salvation.

You wrote: "DO YOU have the faith of Abraham? Abraham BELIEVED God and God accounted...AKA IMPUTED it to him for righteousness."
Abraham offered Isaac on the altar, which was imputed to him as his righteousness. Please look the scripture.
"HEB 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: JAS 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? ... 23 ... and it was imputed unto him for righteousness..."
Your bluff will not be counted as righteousness.
---Dave on 6/2/09


Kathr,
You wrote: "Paul said in Phil 3, not having a righteousness of my own.... The evidence of your salvation is when you can read ALL of Phil 3 and say AMEN..this is my testimony!!!!"

Liars and sinners, especially those who are not ashamed to boast that they are regularly sinning and saying that they are Christians, will say AMEN to any thing. That means NOTHING.
In Philippians Paul left the tradition of Judaism, which he refer there as his righteousness and law, and he adopted the righteousness by obeying the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul does not boast in sinning.
---Dave on 6/2/09


Anne, Those who belong to Jesus Christ have this promise....God is working in us to WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure!

TO God be the Glory! God chooses the weak, base etc, that no flesh will glory in His sight...but let him that glory, glory in this....WE have no righteousness of our own, but we live by the faith of Jesus Christ and HIS righteousness in us! The only thing one can obey is this....YIELDING to God's work in us! Reckon, Yield, and KNOW! Galatians 2:20 & 21!!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/2/09


Nana~ That is such a neat story that you use the name 'Nana' to honor your wife since your grandchildren called her Nana...that is very special!

Yes, I know that your beliefs are 180 degrees apart from Mima's etc. I'm on the same boat to victory with you Nana! God bless you and keep sharing that great scripture! I'm really enjoying Dave's great contributions here too as I'm sure you are as well. I know you are a wise discerner of the hearts and minds of people. Wish Mrs. Morgan and Matthew were still here...they sounded like some good folks. God bless you!
---Anne on 6/2/09


Dave~ Thank you for being a patient, long-suffering servant for the Lord here. To be a new creature in Christ means that we'll be walking in obedience to Him as His deciple in doing His will instead of our own will. God bless and keep up the great work for the Lord!
---Anne on 6/2/09


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Dave God wasn't BLUFFING when Paul wrote this. Where did Israel FAIL? Self- righteousness is failure!

Romans 10

1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
---kathr4453 on 6/2/09


Dave, you miss represent the word of God and tell me I do. You said what I wrote is not true at all and gave Eph. 2:2 and put on your own meaning by saying,
"This is not true. Eph 2:2 and 3 says that sinning became the past event of their life, not present. That is, they left sinning."
The passage does not say, they left sinning. What it does say is, "In which you onced walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience"
what that means is that before we were brought to life, v. 1, we were in bondage to sin, our father was the devil, and we did his desires.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/09


Dave 2: you should not play with the word of God. You misrepresent it by putting your own meanings. Something not even there.
You answer Kathr with,
"You say that Jesus paid it all and if we work or obey God for salvation, we will be hopelessly lost. Are you purposefully deceiving people or just ignorant?"
She is correct on all counts, and not deceiving anyone, you are. "if we work or obey God for salvation it is a false salvation base on man's works." That we do work and obey God is true but only because we are already saved with the power of the Holy Spirit endwelling us and guiding us unto all truth.
But our works are not the basis of our salvation. The Works of Christ are.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/09


Dave, Do you know what salvation is?

Hebrews 2:10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
..
13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,
---kathr4453 on 6/2/09


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You better depend on your obedience to God to gain salvation and to escape the lake of fire.
---Dave on 6/1/09
Dave, Salvation is a GIFT from God, by faith in the finished work of Christ. There is absolutely NOTHING we can do to add to that work.

IF you are Abraham's seed, you are an heir and joint heir with Christ.

DO YOU have the faith of Abraham? Abraham BELIEVED God and God accounted...AKA IMPUTED it to him for righteousness.

Paul said in Phil 3, not having a righteousness of my own....

The evidence of your salvation is when you can read ALL of Phil 3 and say AMEN..this is my testimony!!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/2/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

<<< Mima, You wrote: "Here is a great truth!"Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ!!"This came from---Shawn_M.T.'s post.".....How is it that the great truth comes from Shawn, but not from God?---Dave on 6/1/09 >>>

We're called to not answer a fool according to his folly, lest we be like unto him, but we're to answer him, lest he be 'Wise In His Own Conceit'.

Dave, It would be cruel not to show Mercy & warn you that your variance in being 'A Respecter of Person' has lead you to the envying hatred & wrathful strife of this petty & ridiculous equivocation against Brother Mima. Your works of the flesh shall not inherit the Kingdom of God!! Gal.5:19-21
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The Body of Christ is a 'Great Team' who humbly & harmoniously works together for Christ sake to Edify the Brethren.

The will of God's Children is that 'His Will Be Done' AMEN. Salvation isn't a 'Reward' but a 'Inheritance' : God's Free Gift to 'Whosoever Ask'(James 4:1-3) to be Born-Again, into the Obedience Unto Death of Christ.

Now shall we sin, being Saved under Grace, God forbid!(Rom.6:15-22) We no longer put our Trust in man made teachings, no matter how nefariously wise, serious or sound it appears. God nor His Elect shall be deceived, because we have a relationship with His indwelling Spirit who Guides, Teaches & keep us in Remembrance of the Truth we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


Anne,
I am glad that you find yourself in kinship with Matthew and Mrs. Morgan. Mrs. Morgan addressed me as "Nana's husband" because I explained to her that my wife's name was Nana (by the Gradkids) and that I took her name to blog, that she would always be present in all I stated. Would you believe that my first choice was Mima? That is what the children call her, but that was not to be as you know there is a fellow with that pen name at 180 degrees from my beliefs! I always remember those two dearly!
---Nana on 6/1/09


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Kathr,
You wrote: "If one had to work for their salvation, or be obedient ..we would all be hopelesly LOST!!! etc, etc, etc... Christ IS OUR Righteousness!" This is just a bluff. Please read a post I wrote to Mima.
---Dave on 6/1/09


Kathr,
You wrote: "YES, Jesus became obedient unto death, even death of a cross...Praise God...Jesus paid it ALL!!! If one had to work for their salvation, or be obedient ..we would all be hopelessly LOST!!!"
You say that Jesus paid it all and if we work or obey God for salvation, we will be hopelessly lost. Are you purposefully deceiving people or just ignorant?
Please read the verses: "Heb 5:8 ...learned he obedience by the things which he suffered, 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all THEM THAT OBEY HIM,"
His obedience made him perfect author of salvation TO SAVE THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. If you do not obey him, you will be totally lost.
---Dave on 6/1/09


Duane,
You wrote: "We obey because we love HIM."
I am surprised. Do you really obey him. Disobedience to Jesus Christ is sin. Obeying him is righteous act, but not sin. Do you really continue to obey God, that is, you really will not be sinning anymore?
---Dave on 6/1/09


MarkV,
You wrote: "salvation is a free gift of God"
God gives his wrath to his enemies and deceivers, but not salvation.
You wrote: "God by grace and His mercy decides to save a lost soul, and is not conditioned by anything that lost soul does."
This is not true. Eph 2:2 and 3 says that sinning became the past event of their life, not present. That is, they left sinning. Verses 4 and 5 say that they are saved by the love, mercy, and grace of God.
You wrote bluff after that. It is not a game to twist the word of God. God is real. Hell and heaven are also real. It is not good to play games with God.
---Dave on 6/2/09


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Mima,
You wrote: "Here is a great truth!
"Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ!!"
This came from---Shawn_M.T.'s post."

How is it that the great truth comes from Shawn, but not from God?

Read the word of God: "Phil 2:8 ... BECAME OBEDIENT unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath HIGHLY EXALTED HIM, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth," Jesus Christ obeyed and he was exalted, not you. God gives salvation to those who obey. "Heb 5:8 ... author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,"
---Dave on 6/1/09


Mima, salvation is a free gift of God, and not condition on any thing coming from man. God saves sinners, Jesus Christ pays for their sins, because no one can pay for himself. God by grace and His mercy decides to save a lost soul, and is not conditioned by anything that lost soul does. The lost soul cannot be smarter then the other lost soul that doesn't get him in, understand better then the other, he cannot give himself a new heart. God has to do that, bring him to a spiritual life, give him a new heart, give him faith, endwell him with the Holy Spirit, grant him the ability to repent by convicting his heart. Bottom line is that Salvation is a gift of God from beginning to end.
---Mark_V. on 6/1/09


Mima,
You wrote: "If someone wants to depend on their own obedience to gain salvation so be it!!!"
Why are you proud of being deceived by Satan? OBEDIENCE TO GOD WILL LEAD a person to everlasting life.
Read the word of God. "Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness ... 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and THE END EVERLASTING LIFE."
You better depend on your obedience to God to gain salvation and to escape the lake of fire.
---Dave on 6/1/09


Mima,
You wrote: "As for me I am depending on the Lord Jesus Christ and his obedience shown back to the father imputed to me for my salvation!!1 I'm comfortable with the correctness and perfection of his obedience. Question are you comfortable with your correctness and perfection as regards your obedience?" Satan teach people to bluff. Do not believe Satan, but believe God. If yo believe God, you will not rebel against him, but you will obey him. If you rebel, you get nowhere, but to the lake of fire.
---Dave on 6/1/09


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Mima,
You have written: "Upon receiving the Lord Jesus Christ his righteousness is imputed to us "
Impute does not mean transplant. The obedience of Jesus Christ to God the Father is imputed to him as his righteousness. Nobody can steal his righteousness. If you obey the Lord Jesus Christ, as Jesus Christ obeyed God the Father, the same kind of righteousness will be imputed to you as your righteousness. Impute means counted as. It does neither means to steel someone elses nor does it mean a transplant.
---Dave on 6/1/09


Mima,
You have started this blog topic with two questions:
Question #1: Is salvation a reward for our behavior or for our obedience?
Answer: Disobeying God is sin. Obeying God is salvation. Reward for obedience is heaven. Reward for disobedience is the lake of fire.
Question #2: Is salvation absolutely free for the asking?
Answer: Salvation is obeying God. It is not asking God.
---Dave on 6/1/09


Mima,
You have written: "Upon receiving the Lord Jesus Christ "
To receive the Lord Jesus Christ the way you think you can receive, he is neither a dead body nor an idol. The only way you can receive him is submitting yourself as his servant and accepting him as your Master (Lord). Then you will obey him. Satan always makes a little twist in understanding the meaning of the Bible words. Be cautious about it, unless you are the servant of Satan.
---Dave on 6/1/09


Great team- Mima, kathr, duane, and Shawn.
Jesus Christ says: "Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? "
---Dave on 6/1/09


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Nana~ Great scriptures you provided below to teach the truth of God's word!
---Anne on 6/1/09


Salvation is a gift. But the Lord's gifts are conditional upon obeying Him. (abiding in His word/Truth.)
Stay away from any who says he's a Christian but fights godly obedience, because the Lord isn't with them. (I John 2:4-6)

Wise excerpts from Mrs. Morgan on 1/10/07.
Thank you Mrs. Morgan for sharing this wisdom!
---Anne on 6/1/09


Did the Lord tell Jonah?

"Now go to the people of Ninevah and preach to them that they need to receive My free gift by confessing I am their God. Then I will impute My righteousness upon them and will see their sins no more!"

Or, did God tell Jonah...

"Now go to the people of Ninevah and preach to them to turn from their evil ways before the Lord God brings disaster upon them!"

Yes...God wanted them to turn from their evil ways and God saw that they did and relented from bringing disaster.

America is just like Ninevah and shameless in sin yet call themselves a 'Christian' nation. May God have mercy and bring a Jonah before God's terrible wrath comes.
---Anne on 6/1/09


Up on receiving the Lord Jesus Christ his righteousness is imputed to us and of course his righteousness necessarily includes his obedience. If someone wants depend on their own obedience to gain salvation so be it!!! As for me I am depending on the Lord Jesus Christ and his obedience shown back to the father imputed to me for my salvation!!1 I'm comfortable with the correctness and perfection of his obedience. Question are you comfortable with your correctness and perfection as regards your obedience?
---mima on 6/1/09


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Jesus said what happens to those who are not obedient and it isn't pretty. Obedience isn't works it is following what Jesus taught. A Christian cannot be someone who still lives as they did. OSAS tends to skip this little fact.

II Cor.5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold all things are become new.

Old things passed away?...
This means our old lifestyle of course, our sinful lifestyle must go bye bye.
God will not enter someone who prays for salvation but still wishes to sin .
You must desire to stop sinning all sins.

What wise excerpts these were from Matthew...thanks Matthew!

And remember: Without obedience we are not Jesus' deciples.
---Anne on 6/1/09


Here is a great truth!
"Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ!!"
This came from---Shawn_M.T.'s post.
---mima on 6/1/09


And YES, Jesus became obedient unto death, even death of a cross...Praise God...Jesus paid it ALL!!!

If one had to work for their salvation, or be obedient ..we would all be hopelesly LOST!!! Even Paul who said he was a Pharisee of Pharisees, and considered himself blameless, knew he was nothing, and under any self effort nothing. Christ IS OUR Righteousness!
---kathr4453 on 6/1/09


...WE DONT OBEY TO GAIN SALVATION. We obey because we love HIM. We can now enter into HIS rest. HE has given us HIS life. Sin shall never have power over us again. We are justified through faith in HIM.By grace through faith
---duane on 6/1/09


Here is a great truth!
"Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ!!"
This came from---Shawn_M.T.'s post.
---mima on 6/1/09


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Matthew ~ WOW, awesome teachings on 1/12/07:

If we tell people that the Christian life is easier we can directly affect their salvation. For the Holy Spirit to come in you requires sincere repentance and also the promise to try to sin no more. It requires obedience. There are many out there who accept Jesus but don't really get saved because they assumed all it took was to ask/say the sinners prayer and then they can go back to sin. OSAS never teaches of obedience and it is Very Scary.

(Shawn, thanks for digging up these old blogs.)
---Anne on 6/1/09


Salvation is a free gift.

But it means to be saved. What are we saved from? The dominion of sin.

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So the saved obey GOD because they are saved. Not to be saved.
---Samuel on 6/1/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ, upon which were Drawn into by the Love of God. Once our Heaven Father has brought us into the Saving Faith of an Obedient New Heart in Christ we're Eternally Saved & Sealed with the Lord's Promise of redeeming Salvation on the Last Day : FOR out of the Heart flows the issues of Life and that's what we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/31/09


(3.)Mima, The reason why the Lord is so STRICT about who His true children should fellowship with is simple,one is either a friend of God, or an enemy of God,a blessing to His Kingdom,or a curse to His Kingdom. Those that fight[any part] of God's "Saving-Truth" is counted as an enemy to the Lord's Kingdom,and we are not to fellowship with "enemies of the Lord", even if they call themselves "Christian". Those who refuse to receive God's Truth,are a stumbling block to others.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/17/08


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WHAT are you talking about? BEING BORN-AGAIN requires us to do good works. I was trying to explain the importance of good works.prov. 24 v.11-12.ALSO SLOTHFULNESS, will be treated as wickedness.
---catherine_berryhill on 1/15/07


So Catherine you say we leave all to Christ who died for us..the feeding the hungry and all? What are we on this earth for if we dont help out? Thats not how Christ wants us to be and leave all to Him..Thats plain laziness.Your faith and works go hand in hand. You cannot be a christian if u ignore works such as feeding the hungry or help an old lady across the road the list goes on. Or am I wrong...I prefer to do as Christ did and as He commanded us to do.
---jana on 1/15/07


JESUS CHOOSES. WE do not choose GOD. ONLY by HIS blood are we saved. I know I have experienced it.WE are saved by the [power] of GOD. THE same power that raised JESUS from the dead.IF you don't believe this, you are already condemned.
---CATHERINE on 1/15/07


WORKS WITHOUT FAITH IS DEAD WORKS AND FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS JUST AS DEAD. LOOK it up. IT is somewhere in the bible.
---CATHERINE on 1/15/07


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Salvation may not depend on works so, if a hungry child comes along and asks you for food & u kick her/him out. If a friend goes to jail n u dont visit, What have u 2 say 2 Jesus at the end time if He ask u:"did u feed my sheep, did u visit my children in prison? What would u say. U refused these things which r works, Jesus will rebuke u 2. and u miss out heaven. so, do we need to work4 our salvation also?Think again people.Understand scripture well.
---jana on 1/15/07


Salvation is NOT dependant upon works, but is a FREE gift from God. Salvation occurs when you accept Jesus Christ into your heart as Lord & Savior.
---Leslie on 1/14/07


Mima please read that story again because it says Lot's daughters tricked him into getting drunk with wine and while he was out cold from being drunk they laid with him. The fault wasn't Lot's but his daughters.
---Matthew on 1/12/07


(1.)Matthew and Nana's husband, Rather than saying that being a true child of God is easy or not, We should say that it's more about being humble, obedient, knowing that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him in Spirit and in Truth. One can look at it like this: Is it easier to walk into the flames of Hell or not? Many Christians nowadays are doing just that, walking away from God, and walking toward the flames of Hell...
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/12/07


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(2.)Matthew and Nana's husband, ...Jesus said those who desire to save their lives will lose it, and those who lose their life[ IN HIM ] will save it. Any one who truly is [In Christ Jesus] will preserve their life, whether they have to face physical death or not, it makes not difference, Jesus is Truth, the very [source of life],this is why Christians must abide in His Truth, and not darkness.
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/12/07


(3.)Matthew and Nana's husband,Jesus said only a FEW will make it to Heaven(Luke 10:20), Why? Because some refuse the [life giver],they reject Him, by not abiding in His Commandments(the Truth),they rather trust in the fairy tales,human logic,and false doctrines of men rather than the [reality] of Gods Word.Many of God's martyrs had to face the chop block,vats of boiling oil,stonings and scourgings(Heb. 11:36-40),But they knew what they were [really] walking into,the arms of God(Matthew 10:39). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/12/07


To those on this blog I want to ask these questions. Was a Lot a drunkard? Did Lot commit incest with his daughters?----does the Bible twice a call Lot righteous?????????
---Mima on 1/12/07


Nana be careful. If we are to tell people that the Christian life is easier we can directly affect their salvation. For the Holy Spirit to come in you it requires sincere repentance and also the promise to try to sin no more. It requires obedience. There are many out there Nana who accept Jesus but don't really get saved because they assumed all it took was to ask say the sinners prayer and then they can go back to sin. OSAS never teaches of obendience and it is very scary.
---Matthew on 1/12/07


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Jesus said what happens to those who are not obedient and it isn't pretty. Obedience isn't works it is following what Jesus taught. A Christian cannot be someone who still lives as they did. OSAS tends to skip this little fact. 2 Corinthians 5: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, .....
---Matthew on 1/12/07


II)yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. The old things passed away? Our past lifestyle of course. Our old lifestyle. Our sinfull lifestyle must go bye bye. God will not enter someone who prays for salvation but still wishes to sin. You must desire to stop sinning all sins.
---Matthew on 1/12/07


"For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Jesus also said Matthew 11:28: "Come unto me,
all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I
will give you rest." Godly Love is all that
Jesus carried as a yoke and as a burden. When
we are carrying more than just that, we labor
but never achieve. Zacchaeus parted with a good
portion of his wealth and the Lord declared that
Salvation had come to his house.
---Nana on 1/11/07


2#
Jesus also said:
Matthew 7:14: "Because strait is the gate, and
narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and
few there be that find it." Easy is drinking
water; but finding life, only "few there be that
find it".
Mark 8:34: "And when he had called the people
unto him with his disciples also, he said unto
them, Whosoever will come after me, let him
deny himself, and take up his cross,
and follow me."
---Nana on 1/11/07


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3#
"Free for the asking" and "faith alone" I agree
not with. If we say we have faith in our Lord we
also say that we Love Him, is that it? Nothing is
required of us? I say that Godly fruits are required.
John 21:15: "So when they had dined, Jesus saith to
Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more
than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest
that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
---Nana on 1/11/07


4#
So it seems we ought to "feed", "take up", "love" and
"keep" to find life. To enter into life Jesus prescribed
a must DO > Matthew 19:17: "And he said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that
is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the
commandments."
---Nana on 1/11/07


5#
Mark 10:21: "Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and
said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell
whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou
shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the
cross, and follow me."
As I see it Salvation is a REWARD. Matthew 6:4: "That
thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth
in secret himself shall reward thee openly."
---Nana on 1/11/07


6#
Matthew:
38: And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after
me, is not worthy of me.
39: He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that
loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40: He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that
receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
---Nana on 1/11/07


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7#
Matthew:
41: He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet
shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a
righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive
a righteous man's reward.
42: And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these
little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a
disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose
his reward.
---Nana on 1/11/07


Mima the yoke is the choice of accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior. Along with the yoke comes the burden. Living a sinfull life is living in selfishness. It's easy when we don't have to worry about others. But as a Christian we grow to become righteous selfless people. Which is definetaly not easier than the sinful life. The Holy Spirit is there though to comfort us and help us as we grow spiritually.
---Matthew on 1/11/07


Matthew how does your statement,"Salvation is a free gift Mima yet it is a harder life than a sinful life." compared with the Scripture in Matthew 11:30?" For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
---Mima on 1/11/07


Salvation is a free gift Mima yet it is a harder life than a sinful life. We are to obey Jesus' teachings and have a repentant heart in not doing so we can fall from God's grace. The parable of the sower and the vineyard are great to read about obedience and falling from the faith. (Matthew 13) (John 15)
---Matthew on 1/11/07


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No, salvation is not a reward for our behavior or for our obedience, it is a free gift from God. Do people actually asked to be saved or is it God drawing that person to Himself to bring them to a place of repentence, then they get saved?
---Donna9759 on 1/10/07


Mima.....salvation is a free gift given to us by the Grace of GOD in Faith alone in Jesus Christ.
Jesus is Lord !
---JIM on 1/10/07


(I.)Mima, Salvation is a gift, But the Lord's gifts are conditional upon obeying Him [abiding in His Word/Truth], That same Word became flesh and dwelt among men "Jesus". The[Word] says: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus[unto good works], which God hath [before ordained] that we should walk in them." (Eph.2:10)
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/10/07


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