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Response To Immature Christians

What should the Christian response be for the immature Christian that is ever learning and not retaining?
How do you respond, when they need constant propping up and maintenance?

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Keep praying for them, be a good example, and if you believe they may benefit from the leadership of another Christian, ask someone if they would be willing to offer advice, and leadership.
You are desparing, and have become worked up over something that is not about you. You can make a choice to walk away today. You can't make someone be what YOU think he/she needs to be. Only God can do that.
---lynet on 1/18/07


thank you bruce,sometimes I get a tad upset with the pointing of fingers around here.
---willow on 1/18/07


PART ONE:
Willow,
"none of them were immature. they are where GOD has them"

I believe Phil 3:12-15 goes along with your comment. "Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after...Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded:"

The first "perfect" is from a Greek word that speaks of completion.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/18/07


PART TWO:
The second "perfect" is from a Greek word that speaks of developmental perfection. ie. An apple blossom is as perfect as the unripe fruit as is the ripened fruit. Each "perfect" for its state of development.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/18/07


PART THREE:
However, we also have Hebrews 5:12-14, "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/18/07




PART FOUR:
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

This passage seems to speak of "immaturity" that is not a reflection of where God would want them to be.
---BRUCE5656 on 1/18/07


You've been in ministry 10 years? I bet you can understand Merne's answers then.
---anonymous on 1/18/07


Webster's dictionary-Immature : exhibiting less than an expected degree of maturity When a christian needs constant propping and maintenance, then they are immature. Eventually we should cope with things and work through things with the knowledge we learn from God's word and fellow believers. Ever learning is just that...LEARNING and using what you learn. If they aren't retaining, they have "lazy" issues unless there is a true mental disability.
---Penny on 1/18/07


An immature Christian is one who should be grown in Christ but for what ever reason, a false doctrine, love of worldliness.Being double minded, Living in Sin, repenting, going back to sin , repenting, ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. They refuse to grow up and overcome, they don't know where they left their cross, and they keep raising that old man from the dead.
---exzucuh on 1/18/07


Immature Christians are exampled in the Corinthian letters. This is the whole reason these letters were drafted. The Corinthians contantly veered from the sound teachings that Paul gave them, so he continually had to admonish them for their immaturity. Hebrews also speaks of pressing on to maturity. If you must press on to maturity then you must be starting from a position of immaturity.
---Ryan on 1/18/07




will some one tell me what an immature christain is( I can't find it in GODs word)
I also been in ministry for 10 years and haven't found any immuture christians I have found babies in christ (some knowing Christ of over 30 years)children teens and adults(some adults have known Christ for 1year)..but none of them were immature. they are where GOD has them. so please what in an immature christain
---willow on 1/18/07


Nana - *All things need to be weighed and measured.How else we differentiate the good from the bad?*

The problem is twofold 1) once a person has been declared to be immature, then that person stays in that category even if he or she walks acquires more education, walks on the water, etc. 2) Only God can tell what is in the heart of another and there is no objective criteria to determine if someone is immature - it all too often is something subjective used to rate one Christian above another.
---lee on 1/18/07


David, contact Osterhus and ask for the tract, "Discerning and Resisting" For your friend.
---Faye4464 on 1/18/07


The word of God says receive ye a brother weak in the faith but not to doubtful disputations. In other words, treat them as a babe in Christ and teach them and show patience. It's not judging, it's showing love, patience, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness and kindness. The fruits of the spirit manifested in love for that babe in Christ.
Frank
---Frank on 1/18/07


lee,
All things need to be weighed and measured.
How else we differentiate the good from the bad?
If our brothers and sisters are not growing, we need
to see why, just like if a child of ours is not growing
and we take them to the doctor and perhaps start
giving them vitamins or medicine. What is the issue
with judgement?
---Nana on 1/18/07


Is not the determination that a brother or sister is an immature Christian really a form of judgement? And what are credentials to make such a determination. People learn at different rates and grow spiritually at different rates as well but that is essentially the work of God's Spirit. We should rather be concerned with the tasks that have assigned to us and not be concerned with how our brothers & sisters measure up.
---lee on 1/17/07


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That's an interesting pattern of typing. It has a rhythm to it, Catherine. A few cap. words, then a few lower case.
---Aspie on 1/17/07


WE ARE ALWAYS growing. SOME of us takes way too long, it seems, to grow up. GOD IS so patient.REMEMBER ALSO, THAT GOD knew what HE was getting when HE GOT you and me. lets feel for people that HE may never save and will never get to know HIM. I FEEL GRIEVED,IT'S GOD.
---CATHERINE on 1/17/07


David--Have you prayed about this opportunity? If so, Know & Believe that the Lord has answered your prayers and the Holy Spirit is waiting to reveal unto you that which needs to be said when the time is right. But you need to be ready to hear. Hold only LOVE in your heart, and be PATIENT and LISTEN for the Holy Spirit because at this very moment the word of God is chasing you.
---ShawnM.T on 1/17/07


It's be spiritually immature, and to remain spiritually immature, is an indicator that the natural man, the carnal side is more in charge than the spiritual side.

1 Cor. 2:14

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
---Merne on 1/17/07


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Do you need someone to teach you the basics of Christianity over and over again?

Hebrews 5:12

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles (Scriptures) of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
---Merne on 1/17/07


The spiritually immature:

Hebrews 5:13,14

For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
---Merne on 1/17/07


Lack of spiritual growth, spiritually immature - you are unable to teach others.
They are dependent on others, need to be taken by the hand and led. They behave in a carnal way. They are tossed to and fro (Eph 4:14), double minded, and have a difficult time discerning good from evil.
---Merne on 1/17/07


Repeating your first year, as a born again Christian, 25 times, leaves you wide open to the snare of the enemy.

If you are dull of hearing, your speech will reflect it. Immaturity will be evident. Unskilled in the Word of God.
---Merne on 1/17/07


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We've all spoiled this person, chipped fingernails cause everyone inconvenience.
They remove all the air in the room, until attention is focused back on them.

I've tried listening only routine. I guess I was looking for, 'run for your life'.

Anyone, how have you managed with success, the immature Christian, who would take your breath if they could - then leave you stranded along side the road; as they drive by waving wildly, shouting, In Him, I move, live and have my being!! Yahoo.
---David on 1/16/07


David,
Maybe you could try to listen more to
this "person" (if you can't avoid it), instead
of "pampering" and "propping". From what
I gather, you have spoiled the person also.
That tough love thingy is not going to work
in this situation.

There is only one thing that Man cannot be
delivered from and that is himself.
---Nana on 1/16/07


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---randy on 1/15/07


After years and years, days and days, hours and hours, do you think it's someone else's turn? My patience has worn thin with this person. That's my question, I don't want to hurt this person's feelings, but I don't have much left to give them. I'm worn out.
Next.
---David on 1/15/07


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Ditto on Joseph's response.
---faye4464 on 1/15/07


"What's the matter with me, Doc?"

"You're nuts. Just plain nuts."
"Let's see, Thursday's open, will that work for you?"
"We have a squirrel ready out back, let's see if we can't get that brain transplant scheduled, alright?"
---Rural_Cafe on 1/14/07


Be a mentor/discipler. This means to take that person under your wings and study God's Word together. To hang out and be a friend to that person. This will help them to develop spiritual maturity.
---Leslie on 1/14/07


Never give up on your brother in Christ, He obviously needs your support. We who are strong should bear the weaknesses of others. As much as lies within you live in peace with all men. Do not judge, for the same standard you use in judgement you yourself will be judge by that same standard. Judge righteous judgement. The only righteous judgement is the judgement of self. If ministering to him weakens you, by all means desist, if not you never hurt yourself by helping someone else.
---joseph on 1/13/07


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2 Tim.2:3 "Endure hardness as a good solider of Jesus Christ. 1 Pet. 2:20 "For what glory [is it], if, when ye are buffeted for your fault, [&] ye shall take it patiently? But if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it &] ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable to God." 2 Cor. 6:4-6 "In all [things] approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience,...By pureness, by knowledge, by long-suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by love unfeigned." (cont.)
---joseph on 1/13/07


The person requires a daily dose of support, comfort, reassurance, and constant reminding of what the Word says.
When their daily trials come, can't get a grip. They run around, pass out pat Christian answers, but can't remember a single one for their own mess. So, reassurance, propping up with the Christian basics. It doesn't stick. Next day, same thing all over again. Throw a piece of spaghetti against the wall and it slides off, that how much of the Word is sticking. It absolutely wears you out.
---David on 1/13/07


It's codependency. They can hardly function, but draw everyone else into their personal problems. The problems are usually small, but for this person, it's high drama.
My question, do you walk away from this emotional wreck, before you reach the point where you tell them they're nuttier than a fruitcake. They will not go for counseling, but hiding behind a form of Godliness.
Years of propping up, has not changed one thing. Tomorrow, it will be more drama, another mess, and help me, help me.
---David on 1/13/07


Before you reach the boiling point, lose your patience and tolerance; at what point do you walk off? Tough love.
Leave them standing there. Jesus loves this person. The irritation comes when you hear them passing out Christian advice like it was a breath mint. One for you, and you and you, then run around like a chicken with it's head cut off.
---David on 1/13/07


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I would be interested to know what you mean by "propping up and maintenance?"
---Pat on 1/12/07


This person is middle-aged, and claims being born again for most of their life. Their actions do not line up with their claims. After much pampering and propping up, would it best to walk or run away from them, rather than tell them the walk doesn't match the talk. It borders on being a vexation.
---David on 1/12/07


Let love be your guide & mercy a constant companion.

Love is always patience & kind. Never resentful, envious or covetous. Never boastful or proud. Never high-minded rude or selfish. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. Love does not hold grudges & hardly takes notice when it is done wrong. Love is never glad about an injustice or deception, rather it rejoices when truth is brought to light.

My response to anyone is always, the kind of response I would desire.
---josef on 1/12/07


greetings.We should never forget that all sons of God were once babes in the forest of unforgiveness.We all have humble(born again) beginnings.If one teaches others he should never forget he will always remain a student in his doings.
---earl on 1/11/07


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(i)We all need constant propping up & maintenance. We are to be patient with one another. Always look for common ground, preferably a story or a parable from the scriptures. A good parable for your situation would be from Luke 8:5-8. Your friend sounds like they have fallen into verse 6.
---ShawnM.T on 1/11/07


(ii)A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
---ShawnM.T on 1/11/07


(iii)The rate of maturity in the Lord is different for all of us. The most important thing is that we are all in the Lord. Through longsuffering we can all abide in the Lord together in PEACE. God bless.
---ShawnM.T on 1/11/07


One more. As they rattle off, "In Him, I live move and have my being," in the next breath, you would not bat an eye if they told you they were dancing on tabletops at a club over the weekend. Or a weekend getaway with a "friend", because they were witnessing.
---David on 1/11/07


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When patience wears thin with constant maintenance, (and they're always in your environment); do you walk away? Rather than becoming aggravated or telling them they make you nauseous, what's the best solution?
You've prayed and prayed. Next day they rattle off the pat Christian answers, but their actions reveal someone who's back at square one. Shallow ground, no root system, but with arrogance make ridiculous claims about maturity and sincerity.
---David on 1/11/07


Would it be Love, to simply walk or run away, in this case. It borders on narcissism. They have all the answers, but their every day life is a train wreck. They pass out Christian advice like it was a breath mint.
---David on 1/11/07


Shouldn't we ALL be 'forever learning'?
---sue on 1/11/07


David.....Whatever you do,it is to be done in LOVE.
---JIM on 1/11/07


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If someone is not retaining, this person has not learned, so "always learning and not retaining" is meaningless.

And since we ALL need propping up and maintenance from time to time--not only at the beginning--patience is called for.

The biggest fault of an immature Christian is knowing a few ideas and verses--and thinking s/he knows it all.
---Jack on 1/11/07


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