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Believe And Accept Christ

Is the doctrine of 'just believe and accept Jesus into your heart' a doctrine of laziness? The bible speaks of many are called few are chosen Matthew 22:14; broad is the road but few find the narrow path, Matthew 7:14; And we must be approved James 1:12.

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Ryan, A-men. It is not enough to just believe in Jesus, but Jesus tells us how to be where he is, and it is namely this, "Follow me". So how do we do this? Now this is the key, We must lay down our own life, and take up his life in the place of our's. We must crucify ourselves. We must cast ourselves completely down and be broken before him, and cry out to him to save us from our selves. We must take up our own cross and follow after him. My God loves you, dear one, so very much that he wants nothing more than for you to be with him in paradise. Jesus says, "Come to me all you who heavy loaded and burdened I will give you rest, rest to your souls."
---Eloy on 10/31/10


Ryan, A-men. It is not enough to just believe in Jesus, but Jesus tells us how to be where he is, and it is namely this, "Follow me". So how do we do this? Now this is the key, We must lay down our own life, and take up his life in the place of our's. We must crucify ourselves. We must cast ourselves completely down and be broken before him, and cry out to him to save us from our selves. We must take up our own cross and follow after him. My God loves you, dear one, so very much that he wants nothing more than for you to be with him in paradise. Jesus says, "Come to me all you who are heavy loaded and burdened I will give you rest, rest to your souls."
---Eloy on 10/31/10


Where does the Bible use the formula "accept Christ/Jesus" to start with?
---Cluny on 10/31/10


Im gonna ask this question until I get banned. Then Ill simply ask it on another account, MarkV. Theres no sense in ignoring me.

//Second: another rediculous statement for man,
Should we now add "belief in the election" to His gospel"
"Why don't we hide it from them so that they can believe they can save themselves"//


Were YOU saved the first EIGHT years you were a Christian and had faith in Jesus Christ (before you became a Calvinist)?
---JackB on 10/31/10


PART TWO

ROMANS 10:9 That if shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord JESUS CHRIST and shslt - BELIEVE IN HIS HEART - That God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be save.

( What do you know about the unsaved person heart?)

JEREMIAH 17:5 The heart is deceitful above all thing and desperately wicked,Who can know it
( The unsaved person has to get a new heart first - That's something GOD has to do first.Then a saved does good works like believing and can call on the LORD.
---RICHARD on 10/31/10




Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Luke 8:50 But when Jesus heard [it], he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
---micha9344 on 10/31/10


Believe - Faith is a work that a saved person does , And NOBODY can be save by their own work. GALATIANS 2:16

1 THESSALONIANS 1:3 REMEMBERING without ceasing your WORK OF FAITH, and labor of love ---------

GALATAINS 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law BUT BY the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST. ( It's Jesus Christ faith that people are saved)

SO people who say I now accept Jesus ,That person is trying to do the work of getting him or herself save. And the Bible assures us if we do that, the person that does this, is not save.

Now let's look at a verse the people that say all you got to do Believe use.

END OF PART ONE
---RICHARD on 10/31/10


Here is another arguement they present.
"If the children of God cant even look past denominational beliefs and love each other as a brother or sister without tryin to crucify each other, theres no way a lost person will witness the love of God and become curious what makes us different."
People who say this is because they are basing the salvation of others, the whole area of salvation on what man can or cannot do. Their salvation and theology is man centered.
What happened to God? I suppose He is counting on man to act good in order to save someone. Otherwise they will never be saved. "those christians better get their act together are God will not be able to save anyone"
---Mark_V. on 10/31/10


Ryan, Belief is the first step. "Faith" or "belief" in Jesus' is first. The second step is to repent from our wrongs by fessing up to this reality and turning to Jesus Christ the only one whom holds Salvation for us, asking him for forgiveness and to save us from our offenses. Then the third step is to ask Jesus Christ the Salvation to come into our lives and into our hearts to take over and be the Lord of us, and to make and change our life into a real born-again Christian. In this last step we ask Jesus to keep us safe from sin, and to live in and with him in righteousness and obedience forever. So these are the steps: Belief: confession and repentance: invoking and invitation: and obedience in living out his life daily.
---Eloy on 10/31/10


If only Christians would do as their bible tells them.
We are to proclaim reconciliation to all mankind through Jesus Christ.
There are too many here who want to sow discord and proclaim what their denomination believes. Why is it, that some love to defend the belief of their church but FEW defend the Cross of Christ. We need to proclaim the Gospel truth to all!!
We are led by the Spirit now, NOT by mankind and what his church or my church believes.
---duane on 10/31/10




Second: another rediculous statement for man,
Should we now add "belief in the election" to His gospel"
"Why don't we hide it from them so that they can believe they can save themselves"

Of course we tell them the Bible Truth. Or do we keep it secret so as to not scare them away? Lets just deceive them. So they can only hear the part where everything (from first to last) is dependened upon man. Lets just tell them that God seats helplessly waiting for them to make the right choice when God quickens their hearts. That He is not omnipotent as others say, that He waits to know if you will choose Him because His hands are tight, and hopes and prays you make the right choice.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/10


Third:
1. "The election obtained it, and the rest were hardened" Romans 11:7.
2. "For the elect's sake, whom He chose, He stortened those day at the destruction of Jerusalem" Mark 13:20
3. "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect?" Rom. 8:33.
3. "Knowing, brethren, beloved by God, your election" 1 Thess. 1:4.
4. "(in comparisan with Elijah's time) Even so at the present time also there is a remnant according to the election of Grace." Rom. 11:5.
5. "Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect" Titus 1:1.
This is Gospel Truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/10


//JackB on 10/30/10 Theres only ONE gospel.//

Amen, totally agree, why is it so hard for people to understand.
---michael_e on 10/31/10


Amen, JackB. It seems that no matter what the original question is, it turns into a matter of predestintation with at least one of the following statements:

Well, they weren't really saved
They aren't the elect
It isn't their turn
Simple confession of Jesus as Lord is not enough (even though no man can call Jesus Lord apart from the Holy Ghost....he convinces that what is heard is truth)
God has to reveal more than He already has. The sacrifice of His own Son, the message of that sacrifice, and the Holy Spirit bearing witness to the truth of that message and confirming the Word with signs and wonders following is not enough. Some more curious and mysterious thing has to take place.
---Linda on 10/31/10


JackB
There is indeed only one true gospel. However there is scriptural precedent for refering to "other gospels". Therefore, MarkV's comment about people not having heard the "True Gospel" is valid.

2 Corinthians 11:4, "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

Galatians 1:6, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:"
MarkV
---Bruce5656 on 10/31/10


The grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared to all men.
God has given to every man the measure of faith.
Jesus is the light that lights every man who comes into the world.
He is the propitiation, not for our sins only but the sins of the whole world.
The conscience and the creation bear witness to the existence of God. Man can either retain this knowledge or be unthankful.
The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness. Man is without excuse.
Scoffers are willingly ignorant. To be ignorant is to simply ignore something revealed.

This doesn't even include the witness of Christ through His body.
---LindaS on 10/31/10


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Question: How was Paul saved? Because he was preaching the Gospel of "just believe and accept Christ"? Is the Scripture silence about Paul's conversion?

No! Scripture tells us of his conversion clearly and undeniably in Acts 9 and Galatians 1. Acts 9:1, "And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest..."

Galatians 1:13,15 "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it... But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace..." sounds like "just believe and accepted Christ"?
---christan on 10/31/10


Is the doctrine of 'just believe and accept Jesus into your heart' a doctrine of laziness? NO. It is a FIRST STEP. The Bible would not so clearly state, so often, this simple truth if it was a "doctrine of laziness".

Jhn 11:26 whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

There is much beyond this that a Christian needs to learn. To teach ONLY verses like these would be a miscarriage of the "great commission"
---Donna66 on 10/31/10


//They commit and later fall away because they never heard the True Gospel.//--- MarkV

Theres only ONE gospel.

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,

By which also ye are saved, IF YE KEEP IN MEMORY WHAT I HAVE PREACHED TO YOU, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


Should we now add "belief in the election" to His gospel because you want to use it to judge others as lost?
---JackB on 10/30/10


The more I look at the blogs on this website the more it becomes evident to me that MOST of them are started to bring about an argument so that one group of Christians can exalt themselves above another. Its absolutely disgusting to be quite honest with you.

If the children of God cant even look past denominational beliefs and love each other as a brother or sister without tryin to crucify each other, theres no way a lost person will witness the love of God and become curious what makes us different.

The things that go on here are no different than what the lost world experiences. Why would people want to know Jesus Christ when they dont see a change in us?

There is very little love in this place.
---JackB on 10/30/10


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Kathr on 9/15/10
\\JamesL, here is where we disagree. Only Christ and your identification with Him in death and resurrection life CRUCIFIES the Old man, as we live by the faith of Him, as HE COMFORMS us to His image. an on going process called sanctification...
I also believe the GOSPEL is what convicts of sin.\\

kathr, I agree with the last sentence I quoted. The GOSPEL is the POWER OF GOD for salvation to everyone who believes. That means God uses the gospel message to convict us and change our mind about Christ. IT'S NOT A DECISION WE MAKE, IT IS GOD WORKING IN US.

You disagree with scripture when you blur the line between that moment of faith and everything after that. Sanctification begins until AFTER conversion.
---James_L on 10/29/10


Christian, I could not agree with you more. I have heard of people calling other to make a commitment for Christ, when they have not even heard the gospel of Christ. Without the gospel there is no faith.
Though many here reject the doctrines of the RCC of works and speak against them, they too believe just as they do concerning salvation. They don't realize the same things they believe is what the RCC has taught for years. A salvation by works. Different ways to that salvation, but nevertheless the same results. I also hear when they say they ask others if they are going to heaven or hell, and that is the way they get others to commit to Christ. They commit and later fall away because they never heard the True Gospel.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/10


Oh Mima, read this from John 6:40 - "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

This verse when read by itself sounds like the man has the ability to obey God's Word, right? Just like the one you showed.

But now read verse 37 in the same chapter - "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out."

Verse 40 is the consequence of verse 37. The same with Acts you quoted is the consequence of verse 37 here declared by Christ. What say you now?
---christan on 10/29/10


HELLO,, Born-again believers, get a load of this: We own this world....God is our Father and we are His heirs. Thank You, Jesus....So you believee. It must be the work of God in you [Grace] in order For it to take a-hold, through-out eternity. Jesus still is doing the choosing. Come on. I looked at these Scriptures. Hallelujah....We come short of glorification, we come short of justification, we come short of sanctification. Is there any hope? NO!, NO, NO. Not without God not without Jesus. my friends. No hope for the lost man....No boasting before God, no glorying before God. We come short of being glorified by God. Man oh man, can I relate to that! Ahhh Jesus. Ahh Jesus++
---catherine on 10/29/10


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"This doctrine commonly taught - "just believe and accept Jesus into your heart" is not scriptural. This is a made-up doctrine to justify "free-will" and "universal atonement----christan on 10/27/10


Acts 29-30-31
"29-Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30-And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31-And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Perhaps you can read 31 again?
---mima on 10/29/10


Jerald, you are not witnessing Christ but witnessing the Roman Catholic Church, the one you call "her".
If you were witnessing for Christ you would be giving us the Gospel of Christ. Not the gospel of your denomination. So you are in error.
One of many errors you the RCC teaches is the right to bow down and worship Idols made of wood and stone, and the removel of the Second Commandment. Another is that baptism saves, another is that you actually eat the very flesh of Christ and drink His actual blood, another is, that people when they sin go to purgatory so that others, not you, pray for you, and if enough prayers go through, you will go to heaven. Nothing of that is Scriptural. So you are in error and so is the RCC.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/10


This doctrine commonly taught - "just believe and accept Jesus into your heart" is not scriptural. This is a made-up doctrine to justify "free-will" and "universal atonement".

If this doctrine is scriptural and true, Paul's conversion would have been this way too. Read Paul's conversion in Acts 9 and you'll realize that such a doctrine is erroneous and it's not how God save a sinner. He even tells us in Galatians 1 that it was God who chose him - confirming the doctrine of election by grace.

There's a reason why the Holy Spirit reveals the conversion of Saul to Paul in Acts 9 and that is to contradict the very doctrine of "just believe and accept Jesus into your heart".

Amen.
---christan on 10/27/10


Believe accepting-Word of God That is eternal-Became flesh-Yeshua.MightyOne-provides all necessities of life.
El--Mighty ONE-Authority and Power.
Shaddai--provides milk.
Is 9:6 Almighty God-everlasting Father.His Name is ONE.Zech 14:9 Proven by death and resurrection-defeating death-enemy.Jn10:15-17
WAS IN Beginning Elohiym-WORD gone forth out of His Mouth-Is 55:11,Jn1:1
Word-framed the Worlds.Heb 11:3.
By His Word Foretold-End from Beginning.Is 46:10
God is God-I AM-I AM.Is 45:23 I have sworn BY MYSELF-MY WORD IS GONE OUT OF MY MOUTH.
God nourishes His children through His milk-provides all necessities of life-Bread-His Word-Jesus Christ.One God-One Lord.
In Flesh--Immanuel-God with us.
In Spirit--Holy Jn4:24,1Cor2
---char on 10/27/10


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I believe in the Church that GOD established. I do not believe that the Roman Catholic church is that body.

Reasons. The blood of millions of people who the RCC had put to death by various means for disaggeing with it. Do you know the Pope sent a crusade to France to murder people? Do you know that the RCC helped enrich itself by the death of millions of women to take their posssesion?

Do you know that men would murder a Pope so they could become the next Pope? They often succeded too.

There are many good Christians inside the RCC both past and present. But the teachings and actions are in error.
---Samuel on 9/17/10


"I have a mission to correct error whenever I see it"-Jerald_Archer on 9/15/10
Mr. archer I understand your position. However I also have A mission to correct error whenever I see it.

I see no compromise between our positions and openly and knowingly we are staking our lives on our beliefs. It is my prayer concerning you, that God be merciful to you because of your orientation in error.

I pray with many Catholics every week. I do not believe that their outrageous wrong beliefs will send them to hell. Unless they refuse to call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to save their soul.
---mima on 9/16/10


**The Catholic Church is the sole deposit of faith, and therefore cannot be refuted in any way by those who are not in Her.**

This is an interesting comment. People who attribute the same reasoning to Sola Scripture are accused of circular reasoning.
---Rod4Him on 9/16/10


'I am doing it here--now. It is high time that people like yourself realize that you have little (actually none) authority when it comes to attempting to tell others what is "truth"...I have a mission to correct error whenever I see it'-Jerald_Archer on 9/15/10
Does the word 'hypocrit' come to mind?
Or maybe 'self-righteous'?
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
---micha9344 on 9/16/10


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I am doing it here--now. It is high time that people like yourself realize that you have little (actually none) authority when it comes to attempting to tell others what is "truth".The Catholic Church is the sole deposit of faith, and therefore cannot be refuted in any way by those who are not in Her. To hate the Church is to hate Christ. I have a mission to correct error whenever I see it, not foster disagreement where no argument can be validly presented by a protestant. If you are able to disprove the teachings of the Church (which are the teachings of Christ) you have my leave to try.
---Jerald_Archer on 9/15/10


Thanks for the thin welcome. I am witnessing Christ even as I write, and if you cannot see that, something is wrong. You believe you know it all. By what authority do you believe that you are correct in what you believe--you possess none, as you do not recognize the Church, even though you are part of it, like it or not. Think on that. I have a feeling that I am speaking to a brick wall in these forums....I can sense that there are more questions here than answers. I deal in truth, not personal opinions. I believe I must shake the dust off my shoes, as it is pointless to attempt to educated those who will not listen.
---Jerald_Archer on 9/15/10


---Jerald_Archer welcome to Christianet. I have open admiration for your clearly stated positions. Even though they're dead wrong and clearly work oriented. You are a true Catholic many Catholics are completely clueless as to what the church believes. However your posts indicate to me that you know exactly what the Church teaches and believes.

Tell me Jerald have you ever been led by the Holy Spirit to witness to anyone about God?
---mima on 9/15/10


JamesL, here is where we disagree. Only Christ and your identification with Him in death and resurrection life CRUCIFIES the Old man, as we live by the faith of Him, as HE COMFORMS us to His image. an on going process called sanctification. Always carrying about in our body the dying of Christ so that the life of Christ is manifest. I die DAILY. God does not Cleanse the OLD MAN, He crucifies him, that the power of sin is broken.

Our old man adam DIED with Christ. No longer I but Christ...

I also believe the GOSPEL is what convicts of sin.

Now I see why we don't see eye to eye on our live In Christ!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/10


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"Once Saved, Always Saved" is both lazy and unbiblical. The narrow road takes work, constant self introspection and regular confession, and especially the regular reception of the Holy Eucharist. Christ instituted all of the Sacraments of the Church for the salvation of one's soul. It takes work.
---Jerald_Archer on 9/14/10


"once saved, always saved" is lazy and unbiblical. More people go to hell believing this, next to the sins of the flesh. We must always be on constant watch over our own salvation. Penance (confession) and prayer, along with the regular reception of the Holy Eucharist, helps to strengthen us against "backsliding".
---Jerald_Archer on 9/14/10


For as the body without the spirit is dead, faith without works is dead faith.
---Steveng on 9/14/10


Catherine by taking BASIC scripture making it the most important THEN implying these idea's are so important false ministers MAKE these idea's the MESSAGE a watered down distorted message to dismiss or distort the REAL message

misunderstanding passages about a "heart" when MIND LEADS ...and carnal mind is what disobeys the Father in Heaven

anyone can give lip service to a "christ" ...something all together different to worship and serve in truth and spirit - ONLY done by renewing a carnal mind

accepting a christ into your heart is antichrist to Holy Scripture - watered down approach to APPEASE a carnal mind ...easy to do when difficult scripture is ignored to make basic scripture more important
---Rhonda on 9/14/10


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Rhonda>>>The heart is spoken of in Scripture as the center of the moral and spiritual life....Don't you have better things to do than to put down the best thing God has to offer this world next to His Son, God's people. I want to know. Come on....ALL moral conditions from the highest to the the lowest are said to center in the heart. Sometimes the heart is used to represent a person's true nature or character. The Lord looks on the heart, yes He does. The heart is desperately sick, the Bible tells me so, in so many Scriptures. Yes. Defilement comes from within rather that without...Scriptures: [Matt. 15:19, Jeremiah 17:19, Judges 16:17,1 Samuel 16:7] Thank You my Lord and my God.
---catherine on 9/12/10


Lawrence

Yes being saved is a process, but you have the wrong process. The process is that God convicts us of sin (repentance), then God convinces us of the gospel (faith), then God declares us righteous (redemption). Then God regenerates us (cleanses our temple). Then God comes into our clean temple with us.

Your process is the voo-doo of you-do. If you quit sinning, confess your sins, ask forgiveness, then get baptized, then live your whole life without sinning, but confess again if you do, then do everything God has ever told anyone in the bible to do, but confess again if you can't etc etc where does it stop? Your process is supposed to leave you empty so you can come to a knowledge that only Christ can save through His blood.
---James_L on 9/12/10


Catherine ...a very colorful response ...sounds like something a slick minister with a beaming white toothed grin might say from his pulpit on Sunday as the money plates are passed

****************
GOD DOES NOT WANT YOUR HEART. He wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. It is icky, diseased, corrupt. God wants to give you a NEW HEART.
****************

seeing this babbling is unsupported by Holy Scripture it is no small wonder many prefer the commercial christian brands

God renews a carnal mind not a carnal heart ...your heart beats blood through your veins your mind acts on ideas and thoughs of sin

although it is very simple to distort BASIC scripture without trying
---Rhonda on 9/8/10


GOD DOES NOT WANT YOUR HEART. He wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. It is icky, diseased, corrupt. God wants to give you a NEW HEART.....You must be born-again. Raised from the DEAD.+
---catherine on 9/8/10


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//Is the doctrine of 'just believe and accept Jesus into your heart'//
I couldn't find this doctrine in the bible, so it is probably man-made.

There is a doctrine of faith + nothing, in Paul's epistles, simplest is 1Cor 15:1-4, the only plan of salvation for today, never revealed before. Most want to add to it or disregard it completely.
---michael_e on 9/8/10


James

Sure I do. Acts 2 v 38 being getting saved is a process, then Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 9/8/10


Lawrence
Paul preached the gospel from the Old Testament, because the New Testament didn't exist. Can you point to anywhere in the Old Testament to proclaim the false gospel you proclaim? Where in the Old Testament do we read about anyone being baptized in the Name of Jesus? Mark 16:16?That's NT again. Can you tell me what Matthew 10:22 means? It says those who endure to the end will be saved. Does it mean that we have to be baptized continuously, or live in water? What about Romans 10:9-10? Where is baptism? Did Peter say anyone would be saved in Acts 2:38? It's clear you don't understand the word "saved" in the bible.
---James_L on 9/7/10


First you must have faith to believe to receive Jesus Christ & His Only salvation plan, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v 38 delivered to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost. Matt.24 v 13.


The so called easy believism, sinners prayer etc Are fictitious & Man - made teachings that came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 beginning with the trin rcc down through her offspring daughters trin churches, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.
---Lawrence on 8/24/10


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Repent and be ye saved for I am God and there is none else.Also Paul spoke of works meat for rpentance.Also Paul said show me you're faith without you're works and I'll show you my faith by my works.
---benja5736 on 3/22/08


#2. Paul was sigifying that while he cannot see Christ and His kingdom he know by his faith that it is real. But while Paul is on earth, he walks by the Spirit in order to be conformed to the image of Christ. So as Duane says, Walking by the Spirit you will do what God wants you to do, not what you want to do. Two different context spoken of. All Christians should be walking by faith in Christ for their salvation, that is what makes us Christians,
---Mark_V. on 3/22/08


#3. but the manner is which we live, our daily walk, is by the Spirit so that we can continually be sanctified and become more Christ like. 2 Cor. 5:15, Paul says, "And He died for all, that those who live should love no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again" If we don't live by the Spirit we live fulfilling the lust of the flesh. So there is nothing wrong with the passage in
---Mark_V. on 3/22/08


#4. in 2 Corinthians 5:7 when it is read in its context for which it was intended. If someone just takes the passage out of context he contradicts the word of God just for arguement. Fulfilling the lust of the flesh, for their own victory something we all should be careful of doing.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/08


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Greg and Duane, I agree with both of you. After reading the passages in 2 Cor. 5:6-9, we can see why Paul mentions what he did. While a believer is alive on earth he is away from the fulness of God's presence, however Paul was not saying he had absolutely no contact, because there is prayer, the indwelling of the Spirit, and fellowship through the Word. Paul was simply expressing a heavenly homesickness, a strong yearning to be at home with his Lord (Psa. 73:25, 1 Thes. 4:17, rev. 21:3,23, 23:3).
---Mark_V. on 3/22/08


It's starting to seem very popular for many people to NOT have a true holy version of Christian scripture. Even though ALL versions of scripture have flaws (even controversially insignificant/minor flaws), in my experience (Christian 22 years), the AUTHORIZED KJV leads in accuracy to original manuscripts (but not flawless, some translational inaccuracy) and the RSV leads in clarity (not completely flawless).
---greg on 3/21/08


For salvation one must truly believe, but we must not stop there. The way of salvation was given clearly in the book of acts by the deciples chosen by Jesus to spread His way of truth and salvation. Acts 2:38 clearly states that repentence, babtism in His name Jesus for the remission of our sins, and being filled with his spirit or Holy Ghost as they were on that great day,(speaking in other tongues as evidence of this gift).
---Ruth on 3/20/08


For salvation one must truly believe, but we must not stop there. The way of salvation was given clearly in the book of acts by the deciples chosen by Jesus to spread His way of truth and salvation. Acts 2:38 clearly states that repentence, babtism in His name Jesus for the remission of our sins, and being filled with his spirit or Holy Ghost as they were on that great day,(speaking in other tongues as evidence of this gift).
---Ruth on 3/20/08


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Jack, you resist what God put in scripture because of the scholarly pursuit you have been taught in the traditional teachings. The "word that we are to LIVE BY" is what we HEAR from God when we have conversations WITH Him, not just pray TO Him ("MY sheep HEAR my voice", John 10:27). Many people simply reject truth.

2 Thess. 2:10.

"and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved".
---greg on 3/20/08


Okay, you have made the choice to LIVE BY FAITH instead of the SPIRIT,....so you will continue to have the strong delusion.

That's the way it has been for thousands of years all around the world.
---greg on 3/20/08


Jesus say's "Walk in the Spirit, LEST you Fulfill the LUST of your Heart".

This means:
IF you walk in the spirit, you'll do what God want's.
IF you walk in the Flesh you'll do what YOU want!
People who CONTINUE to Fulfill the LUST of their Flesh, Will Not Enter the Kingdom of God...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/20/08


Greg says: ** We must NOT walk by FAITH, we must "walk by the SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25).**

The Bible says: 2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Who's right: Greg or the Bible?
---Jack on 3/20/08


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First, you must learn to love TRUTH (John 14:6, 2 Thessalonians 2:10) and develop a strong conscience (when you learn from God's spirit, it will be purified, Hebrews 9:14). Adam ate of the tree of conscience, and we must learn how to use the knowledge of good and evil properly (Hebrews 5:14) so that our relationship will be PERSONal with all our idiosyncrasies, habits, attitudes. ("in my inmost SELF" (Romans 7:22) and that God may be "everything to everyone" (1 Corinthians 15:28).
---greg on 3/20/08


You will understand the "depths of God (1 Corinthians 2:10) if you decide to move on to maturity in Christ and drink of His spirit,...because it's not enough to simply eat of the bread of life (Revelation 7:16).
---greg on 3/20/08


You are insighful to think it is a doctrine of laziness, few understand that you must progress beyond what is written. Hebrews 6:1 tells us that we only read the INTRODUCTORY doctrine of Jesus and must move on to an intimate and deep relationship with God. We must learn from God's eternal spirit (Hebrews 9:14) to have a righteous conscience that can be purified by learning a clear difference between right and wrong.
---greg on 3/20/08


We must NOT walk by FAITH, we must "walk by the SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25).

The bible is the "WORD OF TRUTH", Ephesians 1:13, 2 Timothy 2:15, John 14:6). The word that we should LIVE BY is the "SWORD OF THE SPIRIT", Ephesians 6:17. The reaqson this is not taught is because the strong delusion has been around for thousands of years, Ezekiel 14:4-8 for the iniquitous (doctrines of the heart).
---greg on 3/20/08


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The fear of God is only the BEGINNING of wisdom, but once we come to know Him, we should be a "FRIEND" of God and our love should be made perfect (1 John 4:18, Isaiah 29:13), God is not a punisher. We should have "rivers of 'living water" in our hearts (tears of SORROW, John 7:38) and live under the law of LIBERTY (John 7:22).
---greg on 3/20/08


In His flesh, He abolished the laws of commandments and the law of ordinances/commands in N.T. (Ephesians 2:15, James 1:25 and 2:12) and without these laws against sin, sin lies dead (Romans 7:8).

There should be no degradation/beratement of SELF "self abasement" is WRONG (Colossians 2:18 and 23).

All verses are from the RSV (except my past reference to Ezekiel 14:4-8, the KJV translates properly the word "according").
---greg on 3/20/08


Jack...what you will find is Faith and that comes from excepting Christ as your Lord and Savior and believing what he accomplished on the cross.
---JIM on 3/19/08


True Salvation>> Anyone whom God has truly chosen knows that salvation is much, much, much, more than excepting Christ into ones heart. Just believe>>>The Devil believes. And you know what; He is evil.
---catherine on 5/24/07


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Yes.

In fact, you won't find the formulas "accept Christ" or "personal savior" anywhere in the Bible, dear though they be to pop-evangelicals.
---Jack on 5/23/07


Jack...my mystake.I new what i wanted to say,but typed the wrong word.How about
ACCEPTING.
---JIM on 1/15/07


Absolutely..many on this site who dont believe in works along with the belief. We all are called to do the work Mat28:19,20 Go there4 n teach all nations. Teach 2 observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and lo I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.We are ALLL given different talents 4 His purpose so use it.It could be helping an old man across the road or threading a needle 4 an old lady.2often we dont listen to Gods will for our lives.
---jana on 1/15/07


There is more to Christianity then just accepting Christ into your heart as Lord & Savior. This will only get you into Heaven. Being a TRUE Christian is about being in God's Boot Camp, and becoming a TRUE follower of Christ. This takes a life-time of work & sacrifice to develop this. Are you willing to count the cost?
---Leslie on 1/14/07


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** Jack...what you will find is Faith and that comes from excepting Christ as your Lord and Savior and believing what he accomplished on the cross.**

Jim, "excepting Christ" means to leave Him out.
---Jack on 1/13/07


Contempt? I never remember speaking poorly about the gospel; that is the most glorious message in the world. I am just quoting the scripture. Pharisee, why do you have enmity towards scripture?
---Ryan on 1/12/07


And we must be approved...

Jesus was approved; we must be forgiven.

God will dispense his mercy as he pleases because the pleasure of his will is holy and good. Why do you hold the gospel of his grace in contempt?

To whom much is given much is required.
---Pharisee on 1/11/07


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