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Are Roman Catholics Christian

Why is it that a lot of people on these blogs do not consider Catholics (whether Roman Catholic or their Eastern brothers and sisters) to be Christian? They believe in the same God, and believe that faith in Jesus Christ (and not good works) is the way to heaven.

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Greetings. The previous posts on this blog don't appear to be very charitable or Christian. I guess the real question should be: What is a Christian? The one response that makes the most sense to me is any person or denomination who believes in all of the professions of faith in the Nicene Creed because this is the most widely accepted statement of Christian beliefs among mainstream Christianity. Any Catholic I have had the privilege to meet believes in this creed and since they say this prayer in their church services every Sunday, my guess is the Church believes in the creed too. I think we can safely assume Catholics are as "Christian" as any of us in spite of the other stuff that seems strange to those outside their church.
---peipappy on 10/5/09


Alexia::Do not cast Pearls before swine for fear they will be trampled. For comfort read Matt6:4
---Emcee on 10/9/07


alexia,
oh boo hoo
It is ok for you to insult others and put down the men of GOD and yet refuse to state what the Bible says is paramount for proof you are in Christ. yes I have read the gospels. you come to mind when I read this today/
Matthew 18:15-17 read it at your leisure
now answer the question? I double dog dare you.
---willow on 10/8/07


willow do you ever read the actual Gospels and see what Jesus says? Your question is as usual insulting.
---alexia on 10/8/07


Alexia
do you believe in Jesus Christ? Can you state this!

Romans 10:8-10
8 But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
---willow on 10/8/07




Holly> Catholics who Love Jesus fall under this> 1 Corinthians 12:13-For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
>So to speak of All Catholics the way you do so adversely is not the truth Holly. You unfairly judge others and their personal relationship with Jesus. You have no right to do that.
---Lisa on 10/8/07


Thank you Whisper, for your kind words amidst the "not so kind" words given and accusations made on these blogs...bless you! :-)
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


When the mud slinging by those declared SelfRighteous,Then it is time to Return.Charity begins at Home & spreads abroad.
---Emcee on 10/7/07


Alexia: I did not see a bash any where, and I read the entire thing, I observed extreme candidness, honesty, truth being poured out here. Just because a person may be of Roman decent does not make them Catholic. If a baby is playing with razorblades, what kind of parent would I be if I did not warn of danger. Or a house burning down with people inside and I did not save them likewise, I pick all of this up, with Holly, Andrea, Willow God bless these wonderful Christians.
---Whisper on 10/7/07


Yes Lisa: The word "Gentile" could include a Catholic person, but it does not exclusively mean Catholic as you wrote. Satan and his demons also KNOW who Jesus is, it does not mean they are following Him. Even cults have a "measure" of the truth, but then add on a whole lot of other stuff that is not true and they follow that also...the RCC has alot of "add-ons" that are not of God. Truth must prevail...the Bible says we must worship Him in "Spirit and in Truth".
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07




1) You're right Alexia...we have no corner on the truth, but the Bible speaks for itself and when you go around saying "God Herself" you are not speaking the Truth as stated in the Bible. I speak the Truth of the Bible, not my own spin on it or what another person adds on and then decides is "dogma" or "doctrine" as the pope does. When I hear a teaching, I always go back to the Bible to make sure that what I heard said is what the Bible really says.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


2) Any good Bible teacher will tell you NOT to just take their word on everything, but you should go study it for yourself ask ask God for revelation. That's why I always back up what I say with scripture...to show what the WORD OF GOD says about the subject. If someone wants you to just blindly follow what they say and believe it just as they say without you seeking God on it yourself...well...that is how a cult operates. This is how Hitler operated, he had people blindly following him. Very dangerous.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


I myself knew many catholic christians and heathen baptist in St. Louis. A catholic is a christian if they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and sincerely repented before God. The doctrine of their church is between them and God- not between them and us. God will deal with all of us same day. Have grace.
---MichelleS on 10/7/07


alexia, you are beginning to sound like a clanging symbol and noisy gong.

We all know in part, see in part, speak in part. The only One that has an infinite reservoir of knowledge is God. For the sake of the blogs, all CN has are humans who can type their part. I was concerned at one time about speaking up and out, offending Jack's Orthodoxy, not anymore. Not anymore.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/7/07


holly nice try. All you folks do is bash anyone who isn't a self-interpreting infallible reservoir of truth as you all are. Look at the list of topics...over 20% are anti-somebody. You guys just hate, and don't bother with the we hate satan. You have no corner on truth.
---alexia on 10/7/07


Holly> you said it yourself, all non-jews are gentiles...this would mean Catholics too.

Holly> there are many ,many, many people who don't know Jesus and the New Testament (not including the Catholic Christian community) They are the ones you need to be converting and teaching the gospel to. Not the Christians in the Catholic church..We know who Jesus is and He is our God and Lord.
We are not the "MANY" you are speaking of trying to relate it to the Gospel.
---Lisa on 10/7/07


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1) Sorry Lisa...but the word "Gentile" does not mean "Catholic" but referred to people who were NOT Jews (heathens) who came to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I am of Jewish background and to this day, my family still refers to ALL non-Jews as "Gentiles". And we Protestants on this site are not "Catholic bashers", we are seekers and speakers of the TRUTH, those who will stand up against the lies of the devil.
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


2) We are not "bashing" Catholics, but revealing the falsities and lies of the doctrine. No one here is coming against any person, but against the "father of lies" who has deceived many. It is our duty as Christians to expose the lies of the enemy and if we see someone falling into a pit, to do our best to pull them out. To not do so would grieve the Lord and be neglecting the work of the Father. Truth must prevail. Souls are at stake.
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


3) So do not take these posts personally, they are not against you or any other person as an individual, but against the powers of darkness, to bring light where darkness is still reigning through the truth of the Word of God.

Luke 8:16
No one, when he has lit a lamp, covers it with a vessel or puts it under a bed, but sets it on a lampstand, that those who enter may see the light."

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


1) Lisa...you say (of the Catholics), "many are Christians, if not all of them". So then, if there are millions of Catholics in this world and Jesus said the gate is narrow and FEW will find it...how can this be that, according to you, most likely ALL Catholics are Christians. So...did Jesus lie? Think of how many Catholics there have been throughout time, surely not the few Jesus spoke of...they are the many...many, many throughout history have counted themselves as Catholic.
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


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2) Sounds like many, many were and still are, on the road to the WIDE gate that leads to destruction that Jesus spoke of. Afterall...Catholics have outnumbered Protestants for many years. Jesus spoke of numbers...large numbers DO NOT FIND THE GATE and a small number do. How does that fit in with the huge numbers that call themselves "Catholic" and claim that they are the only "true" church? This certainly does not fit in with the words Jesus spoke.
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


Many are Christian if not all of them.
---Lisa on 10/6/07


yes all are! 1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,(CATHOLIC) ETC... whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Take that you Catholic bashers!
---Lisa on 10/6/07


Alexia...God DOES know everything from the beginning to the end, before it even occurs and arranges things according to His purposes.

Isaiah 46:10
DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure'

Acts 17:26
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and HAS DETERMINED THEIR PREAPPOINTED TIMES AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THEIR DWELLINGS...
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


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Whisper
lol I personally love these little discussions it keeps me on my toes most people here are so lost!
I would bet if these were face to face discussions 2/3 would tuck tail and run lol
---willow on 10/5/07


alexia
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
you read the bible cover to cover 6 times lets see if you can apply what you read! where does it say in the bible that there is any head of the church other than Christ?
oh lol what have you done to glorify GOD today?
---Willow on 10/6/07


Whisper...You know I am actually praying and seeking God to see if the time has come for me to stop casting my pearls and shake the dust off of my feet. We seem to be on the same wavelength here!

Jeremiah 17:23
But they did not obey nor incline their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear nor receive instruction.

SELAH!
---Holly4jc on 10/6/07


Hi to Catherine! Regarding the feminine side of God's nature: Jesus in Matthew 25:37 compares himself very poignently to a mother hen!
---InimicusStultitiae on 10/5/07


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Holly and Willow: You are on the target however I want you to take into consideration, the thought of pearlcasting.
---Whisper on 10/5/07


Holly this and holly that>>>alexis show me please scriptures that indicates that God has a feminine nature. Now, if you are only talking, don't do that.
---catherine on 10/5/07


God is not a female. And God does not change his mind. He will not tell someone, yes I will heal you, then turn around and say, Nope I change my mind. He wouldn't be God if he done that. God changes not. God did not change his mind about Sodom and Gomorrah. Moses asked God if he could find at least 50 good people would he still destroy it? God said if you can find 50 good people I won't destroy it. Later on, Moses couldn't find at least 10 good people. So God destroyed the city.
---Rebecca_D on 10/5/07


God said I am he. Not, I am she.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/5/07


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Alexia forgive me in advance: But as I have flipped through the blogs of people trying to talk to you. Your rebellion is apparent streaming along with just about everybody, My question is how do you survive yourself? Your answers are so off the wall, beleiving doctrines of demons, is just screaming when I read just everything that comes from you.
---Whisper on 10/5/07


---alexia to state that God is ungendered is an open complete denial of the word of God.
---Mima on 10/5/07


Holly, there are hundreds of references to God in the bible that are feminine in nature. I said..God is ungendered, and its wise to remember God's feminine attributes as well as his male, and not just one all the time.
---alexia on 10/5/07


Holly, when you get into the God knows it exactly all before hand anyway arguement you are getting into some rough water. God creates perfectly, but knows its not perfect, cause he knows we have to kill each other for centures, ya see? Don't go that route, its very messy.
---alexia on 10/5/07


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willow, your a bit finatical here, and I can't make out what the jist of your argument is. Is there some particular area you wish to address? Some periscope or hermeneutical tool you wish to discuss?
---alexia on 10/5/07


alexis
GOD is not a woman "herself"and you stating that proves your igorance of who GOD is. open your eyes and you will find out GOD is superior to you the RCC and me read your own creeds! where is mary glorified? yes I am picking on you... why? because I see past your "church" and see your hunger for the truth...look at it in the bible for youself.
---willow on 10/4/07


1) Lorra...God does not change His mind ALOT! Yes...there are times where God has been moved to change things up, but if God knows the beginning from the end..it's not like He did not know this was going to happen, that a request would be made for something different...so it was all in His plan anyway. And I do agree with you that God is always the same...HE does not change.
---Holly4jc on 10/5/07


2) I was addressing Alexia's comment about God changing His mind ALOT. His mind is always set on what He knows will happen, even if we think He is changing His mind, He already knew what was going to happen anyway and had a plan for it, so it really wasn't as if He changed His mind...He knows it all and has planned for everything. Nothing surprises Him.
---Holly4jc on 10/5/07


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Alexia...if God is "ungendered" as you call HIM...why did you refer to HIM as "Herself" in your post...you should use the word "it" then. The Bible always refers to God as "Him" or "He". Yes...God has both male and female attributes, but He is always referred to in the male context. When you stated "God Herself" in your post, are you sure you were not talking about Mary, knowing how you think of Mary and all.
---Holly4jc on 10/5/07


Holly, God is not evolving into a new species, God is not changing in terms of His morality. God has appeared in different ways, but in essense has always been the same. But this does not say that He cannot change His mind. Thoughts are not immutable and there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that God's thoughts never change. What we can rely on is that He does keep His promises.
---lorra8574 on 10/4/07


Read the OT. Man is able according to various writers, get God to change his mind. Try sodom and Gommorah for example. God is ungendered HOlly...God is spirit. Thus its good to remind ourselves he's not a man!
---alexia on 10/4/07


God changes his mind a lot. Of that you can't disagree, being a literalist and all. God Herself is unchanging in essence. I would agree.
---alexia on 10/3/07

Malachi 3:6a
For I am the LORD, I do not change...

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Alexia...where does it say in the Bible that God changes His mind alot? Also...you stated "God Herself is unchanging in essence." God HERSELF??? Where does the Bible say that?
---Holly4jc on 10/3/07


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Alexia -The most beautiful thing about God is His immutability - unchanging all knowing.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Malachi 3:6 God affirms, "I the Lord do not change."

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness nor shadow of turning.
---Andrea on 10/3/07


alexia - if you get offended by my quoting Catholic doctrine - what does that say about your doctrines.

as far as psy help - I've had it and I'm very well thank you, I've been off the meds now for a few years. Thanks for asking.

With that sweet personality of yours have you been to see anyone?
---Andrea on 10/3/07


alexia - every time I scroll past that comment about needing psy help --- I laugh out loud. you are so funny.
---Andrea on 10/3/07


I would suggest you seek psychological help andrea. Your obsession with everything Catholic is tiresome at best, but it's becoming very spooky and weird. Is there no church where you fit?
---alexia on 10/3/07


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God changes his mind a lot. Of that you can't disagree, being a literalist and all. God Herself is unchanging in essence. I would agree.
---alexia on 10/3/07


Andrea-437 Proclamation that infant baptism regenerates the soul

500 The Mass instituted as a re-sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sins





You forgot :
325 Council of Necaea ""We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through him all things were made"

382-Council of Hippo:Finalized the Bible
---Ruben on 10/3/07


Andrea- Attendance at Mass made mandatory under the penalty of mortal sin

1079 Celibacy of priesthood, decreed by Pope Gregory VII



Some more information for you:
Carthage 397: finalized the New Testament and the Deuterocanonicals. *

Ephesus, 431: Blessed Virgin is the Mother of GOD, hypostatic union.

Chalcedon, 451: condemned Monophysitism.

Constantinople II, 553: condemned the Three Chapters, and Nestorian heresy.
---Ruben on 10/3/07


Holly - yes - when I ran across that I thought it might be helpful on a lot of these blogs bc it shows when some of these doctrines started and which ones may have influenced the Protestant church too.

I'm amazed at how late in history some things started.
God does not change so how did the church evolve into such a convoluted mess. (the entire church)
---Andrea on 10/3/07


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Lisa - I believe you.

but.... the mormons and the JWs, SDA s all say the same thing.
What I have found is that a lot of cults (all churches have a sub-group) use a vocabulary that sounds Christian and is not.

If you have asked Jesus into your heart and have an ongoing personal relationship with Him and would be His even if your church turned from God then you are saved.
Otherwise - your just a member of a church

please I'm not questioning you personally - I'm speaking generally
---Andrea on 10/3/07


Andrea?
I am Christian under the Catholic church.
My church taught me Jesus is God, Lord, Saviour , Redeemer the Messiah, the Christ the Son of the Living God. My church taught me to Love the Lord. My church taught me the Gospel with the Bible.
---Lisa on 10/3/07


Thanks for all that historical data Andrea! Amazing how all those false doctrines started well AFTER Peter was alive and buried. None of that false doctrine was even around in the early church which formed immediately after Jesus's death and resurrection on the cross. It's not the same gospel from Peter's time. But, we always knew that, didn't we?
---Holly4jc on 10/3/07


437 Proclamation that infant baptism regenerates the soul

500 The Mass instituted as a re-sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sins

593 sins need to be purged, established by Pope Gregory I

600 Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels

786 Worship of cross, images, and relics authorized
---Andrea on 10/2/07


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995 Canonization of dead people as saints by Pope John XV

1000 Attendance at Mass made mandatory under the penalty of mortal sin

1079 Celibacy of priesthood, decreed by Pope Gregory VII

1090 Rosary, repetitious praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit

1184 The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona
---Andrea on 10/2/07


1190 The sale of Indulgences established to reduce time in Purgatory

1215 Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III

1215 Confession of sins to priests, instituted by Pope Innocent III

1229 Bible placed on Index of Forbidden Books in Toulouse

1438 Purgatory elevated from doctrine to dogma by Council of Florence
---Andrea on 10/2/07


1545 Tradition claimed equal in authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent

1546 Apocryphal Books declared cannon by Council of Trent

1854 Immaculate Conception of Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX


1870 Infallibility of the Pope, proclaimed by Vatican Council

1922 Virgin Mary proclaimed co-redeemer with Jesus by Pope Benedict XV
---Andrea on 10/2/07


God does not change or evolve
---Andrea on 10/2/07


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NO JIM :: its the unabashed truth Asia was 100%right it tallies with the word
---Emcee on 9/27/07

Wow...that's scary that what Asia said is the truth. That's what I've also understood to be true about the pope according to Catholic doctrine all my years of my life. Of course I totally disagree! Sounds a whole lot like a Hitler thing...one man, being infallible, above reproach, being the head and able to make all the rules according to what he sees fit. Yep....pretty scary!
---Holly4jc on 9/29/07


For all Protestants, if you want to know the truth about any organization go to an authentic website or representative.

I would not seek to learn about Jews from a Nazi website, or about other races from an Arian White Supremist website. Yet many here do just that and will find their "reward" when the face the only judge that matters.
---lorra8574 on 9/29/07


Mima::You praise the Catholic & then stab him in the back with your question,sharp & pointed.Is it possible he was a Baptist masquerading as a Wolf in sheeps clothing???just in case you have a doubt "He is everywhere, but is said principally to be in Heaven where He ministers to His angels"Hope you agree.
---Emcee on 9/28/07


Marge - amen - but I wish He would hurry....


Emcee - Jesus is God he does not need a secretary. He wouldn't let mom work so hard
---Andrea on 9/28/07


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I am amazed that for some who say they love the Lord and that He is their savior, there is little love to be had in this discussion. Did anyone know that God is getting ready to visit the Cathlic folk and to pour out His blessings on them as they have a profound love for God that puts us Prot. to shame at times. Love your neighbor as yourself. That is His directive, and then we show that we love Him.
---marge on 9/28/07


Thank you Jim:: I am Blind but not lost to HIS truth.
---Emcee on 9/28/07


Andrea::The word messiah & redeemer is different from mediator. Jesus is the Mediator between sinful Man & and God the Father who abhors sin.Mary is Jesus Helper she does not mediate she points the way to the mediator & hence called Co.Jesus is God with the power to forgive sins, she dosent have that power,that power has been relegated to the apostles & their successors (MEN).Mary has many titles read her Litany & you will discover how empty is your vast knowledge.
---Emcee on 9/28/07


---asia has written the true position of the Roman Catholic Church as regards the pope. Unsettling yes but even more unsettling is the fact that members of the Roman Catholic Church never search out with their own church beliefs. Could this be a case of the blind leading the blind? A Catholic said, I know everything there is to know about the Bible, okay I said where is Jesus right now? Oh I have no idea he said!!
---Mima on 9/28/07


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Emcee....I see that you are also lost and blind to the truth.
---JIM on 9/28/07


Emcee....just because you say it is truth and you believe it to be truth,does not make it truth.
---JIM on 9/28/07


NO JIM :: its the unabashed truth Asia was 100%right it tallies with the word
---Emcee on 9/27/07


Asia, well it is a good thing that Catholics are only bound by the official Catechism promulgated by the Pope. And while there are elements in what you said that are true, up to the limits of scripture, the whole package seems a bit bizarre - even for New York. You would not be paraphrasing to suit your own opinion would you?
---lorra8574 on 9/27/07


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Mary is the Co-Mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions. (Catechism 968-970, 2677)
---Andrea on 9/27/07


Emcee/Lorra you both deny Mary as co-mediator.


good
---Andrea on 9/27/07


Andrea:: He who Professes the truth, relies on the truth, Because His word IS the Truth,and He acknowledges ONLY the truth. so when I die in my stubborness,which you claim, I will be judged by His Perfect Truth .Dont dawdle Reach or strive for Perfection this is the truth.
---Emcee on 9/27/07


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