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Basic Christian Doctrines

Can we come into unity and rejoice over these basic doctrinal points: Jesus loves you and me, Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Jesus Christ is the only means by which we can be saved and Jesus is coming back soon.

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What happened to Jesus being true God and true Man in one Person? (The identity of Jesus is VERY important.)

What happened to Jesus literally rising from the dead?
---Jack on 9/12/07


Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
---exzucuh on 1/26/07


Matthew 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
---exzucuh on 1/26/07


Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.



Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
---exzucuh on 1/26/07


1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
---exzucuh on 1/26/07




eloy
I did not ask "us" a question. I asked you the questions.

Once again, unless you think that it is just you and me here, there are lots of other people reading these blogs - hence the use of "us."

Am it "dissing" you? You bet. In the same sense that Paul withstood Peter Gal 2:11 and in the same way Paul told Titus to "rebuke thenm sharply." Titus 1:13
---Bruce5656 on 1/25/07


eloy,
"heaven is a reward, and hell is also a reward. "
"you do not speak for any of my family nor for God" Any of your family? I don't know you let alone any of your family so I can only assume you are talking about the family of God.

Let's see if what I am saying (Heaven is a place of rewards not a reward.) is consistent with what the other members of the family of God say. I'll post another question asking just that.
---Bruce5656 on 1/25/07


,bruce, but you do not speak for others here on the blog, especially not for the believers, so it is improper for you to misrepresent others by using "us", when the "us" here do not share your position at all.
---Eloy on 1/25/07


,bruce, please tell "us" why you ask "us" questions with the sole purpose of dissing "us", rather then desiring to know the truth.
---Eloy on 1/25/07


eloy,
"whom is the "us" that you keep referring to"

The "us" are those of us who read these blogs.

You did not think it was just me and you here did you? If that were the case, one of us would have a very serious problem with multiple personalites.
---Bruce5656 on 1/25/07




.bruce, you do not speak for any of my family nor for God. The reward Christ speaks of in Revelation 22:12 is just as I have said, because he tells us himself in Revelation 22:14,15; and in Revelation 20:15, just as I also have said what these only 2 rewards are. Being rewarded with heaven is to be granted entrance into the kingdom, and to be crowned with the crown of righteousness, and to be honored with sitting in God's very throne, just as explicitly stated in Mat.25:34; II Tim.4:8; and Rev.3:21.
---Eloy on 1/24/07


eloy,
When you reitterate your belief with out dealing with the scriptures that counter it, you leave us with two options.
a. We must beleive because you have said it is truth.
b. We believe what the bible says is truth.

You can call it a reward all you want but the bible says different.
---Bruce5656 on 1/24/07


.bruce5656, whom is the "us" that you keep referring to when "you" in your hypocrisy alone ask questions of me, desiring only to fabricate faults with the sound words which I answer you? The scriptures I cited clearly state heaven is a reward, and hell is also a reward. "Yes, paradise is heaven, and it is rewarded only to those who are Doers of the Lord's will. Please read Matthew 16:27; 25:21-23,31-46; II Corinthians 5:10; II Timothy 4:7,8; Revelation 3:21; 22:12-15."
---Eloy on 1/24/07


.bruce5656, Heaven and hell most certainly are the rewards: "Enter you into the joy of your Lord", or else the other reward: "Take and bind him hands and feet, and throw him into outermore darkness, there will be weeping and grinding of teeth." But as you do not believe, so you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 1/23/07


PART ONE:
eloy,
All the passages you gave speak of rewards in Heaven not Heaven as a reward.

But let's imagine for the moment that they can be somehow be take to teach Heaven is a reward. Not a place of rewards but a reward in and of itself.
---Bruce5656 on 1/23/07


PART TWO:
Then where is the gift of eternal life? Rom 6:23. What was Paul talking about when he said Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works,. lest any man should boast."
---Bruce5656 on 1/23/07


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PART THREE:
What was Paul talking about in Romans 4:4-5, "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
---Bruce5656 on 1/23/07


Yes, paradise is heaven, and it is rewarded only to those who are Doers of the Lord's will. Please read Matthew 16:27; 25:21-23,31-46; II Corinthians 5:10; II Timothy 4:7,8; Revelation 3:21; 22:12-15.
---Eloy on 1/22/07


.bruce, yes, paradise is heaven, and it is rewarded only to those who are Doers of the Lord's will. Please read Matthew 16:27; 25:21-23,31-46; II Corinthians 5:10; II Timothy 4:7,8; Revelation 3:21; 22:12-15.
---Eloy on 1/22/07


Basic doctrine. Follow the leader. Nothing is accomplished outside of your select religious community. There's about 3 basic institutional doctrines which require communion. Obey, obey, obey. This is the basic doctrine of poison being passed on. So poison will be returned. Not good for the digestion,.
---jhonny on 1/22/07


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eloy,
"rewards them with paradise,"

Presuming by "paradise" you mean Heaven, could you please show us the scriptures that demonstrate Heaven is a reward?

Are you distinguishing between "Eternal Life" and "Heaven"?

Is "Paradise" different than Heaven?
---Bruce5656 on 1/22/07


The truth of good works is that it leads to more treasure in heaven(Corinth 1:10-15).
Obedience is different. Obedience is rules we follow so that we may stay on the path of righteousness.
---Matthew on 1/21/07


No. Every doctrinal point you posted can be disputed. For example: Jesus loves the obedient and rewards them with paradise, but Jesus also hates the disobedient and throws them into the lake of fire and brimstone; etc.
---Eloy on 1/21/07


Susie: I surely pray that you keep you laterns lit and an extra barrel of oil for the time is at hand when the Dark Ages will soon be upon us again.
---Steveng on 1/20/07


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Steveng...Yes, while others are watching for revival, many are growing cold. We plan to keep the fire burning at our home until Jesus comes back.
---Susie on 1/19/07


Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. (Matt 6:2)
---augusta on 1/18/07


Susie: It's not my criteria. If God gives you the strength and it's in His will, then all the Holy Spirit Power to you. Yes, the time is short, the harvest is plenty and the workers are few - and as time marches on the workers will become fewer and fewer because it is written that there will be a great falling away from the faith. So stay strong and pray continuously that you and your family will be protected.
---Steveng on 1/18/07


Steveng..Would you consider four nursing home services, six prison services, three jail services, and one rescue mission service EVERY month meeting your criteria? We still find time for three church services a week and Christian fellowship in our home. I didn't even mention all the people we personally witness to daily no matter where (grocery store, restaurant, car wash, gas station, everywhere). A waitress got on her knees to pray. We believe that Jesus is coming back soon and HE is our priority!
---Susie on 1/18/07


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Jack- what other sources are there to consider? "Are the doctrines of the Nicene Creed TRUE" I do not believe so, I could go into detail, but I have noted that everyone 'throws in the towel' when, on any subject anyone show any DEPTH. I am not saying you will, but most run away.

-"Most of the bishops of Nicea 1 were from the east. There were actually few from the west.' -You make a good point, I stand corrected. But we must admit it was very political assembly.
---MikeM on 1/18/07


**nicea and the Roman creed were not summeries but a beliefs by 300 of the 1800 Bishops brought to Nicea by emporer Constantine. ...**

Consider your sources.

The real question is: are the doctrines of the Nicene Creed TRUE?

Most of the bishops of Nicea 1 were from the east. There were actually few from the west, and the bishop of Rome (pope) wasn't even there! So how could it be a "Roman Creed"?
---Jack on 1/17/07


Part 2:

OTOH, the churches that have traditionally taught the heresies of Monophysitism, Monotheletism, and Nestorianism, who had NOTHING to do with Rome for centuries still use the Nicene creed, but NOT the Apostle's which was a local Roman baptismal creed in its origin.

Why might this be?

Ever thought about it?

Or did you even know it, much less about the lesser Eastern churches?
---Jack on 1/17/07


Susie: "CATHERINE...You have plenty of time for these blogs since you don't have to go to church!!!"

Your modern interpretation of what a church is is in error for it's written that we must go out into the world and do God's will not to be in church and be hearers only. The return of Jesus is coming soon and we need workers out in the field getting as many people to turn to Christ as possible. For the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 1/16/07


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CATHERINE...You have plenty of time for these blogs since you don't have to go to church!!!
---Susie on 1/16/07


"I am saying good-bye, never to blog again."

She'll be back!!!
---Susie on 1/16/07


THESE blogs can be a flesh burner I will admit. IF it were NOT for GOD helping me, I WOULD HAVE QUIT THE FIRST NIGHT, THREE NIGHTS AGO. AS you can see I am still trudging along. COME BACK.
---CATHERINE on 1/16/07


If we were all in agreement with OSAS, you would not be leaving.

Denominations are a good thing, and we're not required to be a member of the apostate church, one world religion, one size fits all.

Exchanging our priceless eternity for musty root shelters of false doctrines is the true image of dread.

Josh-ua
---Josh on 1/16/07


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I am saying good-bye, never to blog again. I don't believe these discussions are in the will of God, at least for me. Blogs are addictive, Christian or otherwise. It appears that there is as much hostility as love in these posts, maybe more! I find myself replying with the wrong attitude of heart. It appeals to my old nature which likes to argue and be "right." I am asking forgiveness and getting off. Love in Jesus, Debbie
---Debbie on 1/16/07


Debbie,
I don't know if we can all ever come together and unify, but I agree with your statement of facts.
---lynet on 1/15/07


Debbie:One more every one of Jesus sayings actions Have a message do we understand Follow & implement them in our Daily lives by example?
---EMCEE on 1/15/07


nicea and the Roman creed were not summeries but a beliefs by 300 of the 1800 Bishops brought to Nicea by emporer Constantine. They fought and fought and came to a conclusion, a political conclusion. Constantine was looking for a unified doctrine for the sake of unifing the empire. This is all basic history. It is from Gibbos 'Decline and Fall," Catholic histories, and Humes history of Rome.
---MikeM on 1/15/07


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Debbie....I will agree with you on your post. However, none of these doctrines includes the fact that Jesus gave HIS life on the cross for us. That's what salvation is all about.
---Susie on 1/15/07


This is why there are the classic creeds: Apostles' and Nicene. They were summaries of "basic doctrinal points" for believers.
---Jack on 1/15/07


What does doctine mean? In the Greek from Strong's concordance says it means teaching, instruction. These basic doctrinal points, as I called them, are the basic Bible points or principles that we profess and teach to others as Christians. We should not have to put stipulations and reservations on whether we can agree or not.
---Debbie on 1/15/07


I believe your statements as truths in scripture for all to believe. As doctrines, I don't know.
---mikefl on 1/14/07


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I'm rejoicing with you, Debbie! ;)
---AlwaysOn on 1/14/07


Amen Debbie!
---Pat on 1/14/07


Debbie, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Jesus did not intend for his followers to be so divided. I join you. Jesus loves everyone. We should marvel in that.
---faye4464 on 1/14/07


Debbie: There can no longer be unity among Christians. The end is here as Christians have clouded the truth with opinions and false doctrines. You may believe in God and Jesus but truthfully deniy his power. Nothing matters to God than having a close and intimate relationship with his creation. Do you depend on doctrines and opinions to make friends in the world?
---Steveng on 1/14/07


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Basic Christian doctrines?

As defined by who?

Which sectarian group defines what basic doctrine is?

Is it a matter of history?

Is it the number of people believing a certain way?

Is it defined by Sola Scriptora?

Is it defined by apostolic authority?
---MikeM on 1/14/07


It would be nice to unite, however this is NOT possible. In the last days (which we are living in) many will come bringing FALSE doctrine, including Christians, and decieve many. This is why it is important to KNOW and SPEAK the TRUTH or God's Word. It IS the TRUTH that will set people free, so we can unite as one body.
---Leslie on 1/14/07


debbie, my response was not intended at a personal attack.you wrote these and described them as doctrinal points.My point is they aren,t and many non christians ,or imature christians don,t need to read them descibed as such.they are truths ,facts,undoubtable reality.not doctrine.
---tom2 on 1/14/07


Please pray for all those in the midwest that are without power due to this horrible winter storm. Here in Oklahoma, there are over 34,000 that are without power. There is over an inch of ice covering the trees and roads in many of the counties. I just heard from my daughter who lives in St. Louis; she is without power along with about 100,000 others. She and her family are traveling today from Arkansas to St. Louis. Pray for traveling mercies for all those on the road and affected by this weather.
---Debbie on 1/14/07


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Dear Debbie. I hope you have recovered from the blows from fellow posters. I will gladly join you in emphasizing these truths that you have written.
---Mima on 1/14/07


This, for the most part, was not the response I thought I would get. I didn't post this to see how much fault could be found in what I wrote but instead to find agreement and unity. Why can't we rejoice in what we can agree on. Love, God's love is what unites us. Oh yes, the reason I didn't put more doctrinal points, Truths, etc., is because I only had 50 words or less.
---Debbie on 1/14/07


Debbie,

Concerning the points you have made, the called of God are united & rejoicing. I do not believe any of us would argue any of those absolutes.

Jesus is LORD.
---joseph on 1/14/07


Peace be with you Ryan. Ryan do you believe in all the words Jesus spoke? I do too.
---discipleabct on 1/13/07


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Debbie, agreeing on basic doctrine is not Christianity. We are told 'many are called few are chosen', 'wide is the gate and broad is the road but narrow is the path', 'study to show yourself approved', 'those who are of Christ are obedient to the Father', and many other things that say 'faith without works is dead'. So believing in 'basic' doctrine is futile we must believe in the entire word of God.
---Ryan on 1/13/07


Debbie: Your points are a very nice beginning, but to 'rejoice (worship) in UNITY' with someone else, I'd want to be assured they both know AND have professed what it means to be a true Christian. This should also include all the points in 1 Corinthians 15:1-17, Ephesians 2:8-10 and many other passages! A key question would be: Who is Jesus? Do you believe He is 'God come in the flesh' as John told us (Jn.1:1-14); I should prob. repost my Apostle's Creed comments here as well.
---danie9374 on 1/13/07


I agree and there are no buts.
---john on 1/13/07


debbie,those aren,t doctrinal points,they are truths.
---tom2 on 1/13/07


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