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God's Wonderful Plan For You

We Christians should STOP preaching "God has a wonderful plan for you, and will give you joy & peace". This will only lead potential Christians to become athists when trouble comes. This is NOT the true Gospel. Comments?

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 ---Leslie on 1/16/07
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Leslie ... I agree with you. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles said that we would have an easy life.
We will have frustration, battles, illness, pain, disappointment, we will be betrayed by others, and we will face anguish in our hearts.
Beneath it all though, we have the joy of the ultimate promise made by Jesus.
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/26/08

Forgive me for dragging strangers into the conversation, but didn't Jesus say something to the effect, "These things I tell you that you may have joy and your joy may be full?"

I guess Jesus didn't have you around to tell Him that this would lead people to atheism.

What a pity.
---Jack on 6/15/07

I can tell that many of you are immature and NEED to grow up, and that many of you are NOT Christians by your responses.
---Leslie on 1/28/07

Have you ever: told a lie = lier, stolen something including not titheing = thief, placed something/someone before God or made a god to suit yourself = idolity, looked with lust at someone = adultry, hated someone or been angry at someone = murder, used God's name as a cussword = blasphemy. These are just 6 of the 10 Commandments - How did you do? This is why Jesus came.
---Leslie on 1/28/07

The Bible says that God's TRUE Children are those that: keep His 10 Commandments, love others, practice righteousness (1 John 2:3-11, 2:28-29, 3:1-9, 4:7-8).
---Leslie on 1/28/07

The eternal peach will deliever those from the 'pits.' Those who do not obey the laws will be impeached! (You people ran off Leslie with your sarcasm, how mean! Oh, I did to, never mind.)
---MikeM on 1/22/07

Oh, Leslie, now that you mentioned eternal peach, I'm goiing to change my life and become a good person because I love peaches :))
---Caring on 1/21/07

The called of God are kept by the power of God through faith. In this we greatly rejoice, trouble has it's season along with the mental & emotional heaviness it brings. However the trying of our faith is more precious than gold, for it is tried by the fiery trials of life & strengthened. Trusting the Father & His loving plan for our life now & throughout eternity will bring joy unspeakable, full of glory. Someone called by the Father & recognizes the call can not possibly be or become an atheist.
---josef on 1/20/07

Anything less would not be in harmony with the gospel concerning the Fathers plan for His children.

1 Cor.2:9"Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither has entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him." Jer.29:11"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you,saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not evil." Jh. 14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth,.let not your heart be trouble."
---josef on 1/20/07

Leslie: "eternal peach"? Wow, I'll never go hungry. : )
---Steveng on 1/20/07

People that have wealth ARE joyful and peaceful, yes. However, most of them do NOT have eternal peach and joy from knowing God. They think that they already have joy and peace, so they do not need REAL joy and peace, so they often do NOT accept Jesus, because of this fact. If you present the law, you show them that while they have joy & peace, they are still destined for Hell and judgement. This will make them want to accept Jesus.
---Leslie on 1/20/07

THIS IS A TEST: If you TRULY care about people and their eternal souls, you WILL preach the law (10 Commandments). This WILL show them that they are sinners and NEED Jesus, and without Him are destined for Hell & judgement. This IS TRUE LOVE!
---Leslie on 1/20/07

greetings.The 'wonderful plan' is our future .Man can hardly find harmony when the world continues to function in the negative.The 'plan' brings true inner peace when we are comforted by our confidence of Jesus'promise.Joy and peace is internal and will migrate to the external when the soul is satisfied with the presence of the indwelling.I have met peaceful and joyful people who exhibit outstanding confidence in their future estate and welfare.Tribulation seperates the true believer from the apparent one
---earl on 1/19/07

My question to you is why to you feel that preaching the truth will lead people to become athiests??
---Pat on 1/19/07

My last response about 9/11 is why we are called to preach the way Jesus did, by using the law (10 Commandments). This will help people to see what sin is and why we need salvation. This is not judgemental, condimming, or self-centered. It is speaking the TRUTH in love - by desiring that none should perish in Hell. It is Biblical.
---Leslie on 1/18/07

** The joy and peace isn't as this world teaches. It's joy in our heart during trials and tribulations.**

Well put.

It's like Jesus said, "Shalom I give you--not just as an ordinary greeting the world gives."

It's easy to be happy when your pockets are stuffed with hundred dollar bills and you're healthy and everything's going right.

The gift is to be able to do so--and trust God--when your world's falling apart.
---Jack on 1/18/07

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The joy and peace isn't as this world teaches. It's joy in our heart during trials and tribulations. As they counted it joy to suffer shame for the Lord. The peace is the counsel of peace between man and the wrath of God to be poured out on this world. Jesus even said the peace he gives is not as the world gives. Pastors should preach spiritual things to prepare people to endure unto the end. Current teachings of worldly peace and joy set the flocks up for a big fall when tribulation hits.
---Frank on 1/18/07

Yes Jesus has a wonderful plan for your life, and will give you joy and peace, but to use those as a self-centered playing card for salvation is WRONG. As a Christian you will also have problems and trouble the Bible says. If you were to preach to NY on September 10, 2001 would you preach that God has a wonderful plan for you, knowing that those people will die the next day (9/11/01)?
---Leslie on 1/17/07

The Bible says that it will rain on the just and the unjust. Troubles are just a part of life and we need to stop blaming the Devil for all of them.
---Susie on 1/17/07

It would be better said that "God will give you joy and peace no matter what comes at you in this life." To preach that you will not have problems after you are born again, is to lie. And, unfortunately, many preachers preach that everything will be great and you will "prosper" so much if you get saved.
---Susie on 1/17/07

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God does say, "For I know the plans I have for you, saith the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and hope." If we confess this every day and trouble comes, that just means the devil is causing opposition because he sees a blessing coming. We are NOT to live by what we see, nor by our circumstances, but only by what the word of God tells us. If someone falls because trouble comes, then they are not rooted and grounded in the Love of Jesus Christ and God Our Father.
---Donna9759 on 1/17/07

I pray that no one turns into an atheist because they have been mislead. The bible, and prayer is the key to God's plan for our lives.
---lynet on 1/16/07

part2. but you are wrong,God does have a wonderful plan for you,its called salvation thru jesus,and living your life in obidience to his word after you are saved will give you peace and joy that passes all understanding.and guess what? you will still have pain and suffering and trials. cause you are still alive in a world of the flesh with sin.but with jesus you are made victorious,the apostles,paul,and all the martyrs,anmd many more, were killed for their faith. did they consider dying trouble?
---tom2 on 1/16/07

leslie, not sure what point you are trying to make.if you mean the negative comentations to the word preaching then I agree.preaching in that sense is dangerously close to judging someone.hate the sin not the sinner.everyone,at some time has lived outside of Gods word. many to a greater degree without a thought of God or his word.anyone who has this attitude in his heart while talking to a non believer is a hypocrite,and sadly most times doesn,t remember they were probably guilty of the same sin.
---tom2 on 1/16/07

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Are you saying that we should instead preach "God has an awefull plan for you, and will give you sadness and conflict". This doesn't sound like GOD to me, I like the one that you said to stop preaching. PEACE.
---peter8365 on 1/16/07

It's true, but not the first thing to say. Perhaps 'will give you joy&peace .... sometime'
---Peter on 1/16/07

#1 God has a wonderful plan, I like that message better. Love, JOY, PEACE, patience, kindness goodness, faithfulness, gentleness & self-control are fruits of the Spirit so they are a promise from God.
---Ryan on 1/16/07

#2 I do understand what you are trying to say; God is not going to now put your life in cruise control and everything will be peaches and cream and everyone will love you and you will receive material blessings beyond compare; this tends to be the message of charismatic evangelists and pastors accross the fruited plain, and it needs to stop. What we need to teach is that the message of the gospel is not centered around you, it's centered around the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!
---Ryan on 1/16/07

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I can some what relate. I hear it all of the time..." God has a plan for me." I am still trying to figure out what the plan is.I have been told on different occassions, from different minsters, that God is going to use me, but I haven't heard from him personally.
---chris on 1/16/07

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
You could say that this was written to the Israelites, it was, but we are children of promise, just a different covenant.
Isaiah 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
---Pharisee on 1/16/07

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