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Preach 10 Commandments

We Christians must use the law 10 Commandments when preaching the Gospel. This will make true converts, and will show them what true sin is, and why we need salvation. This is what Jesus did. Comments?

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2/ SDAs strain at gnats to get around the FACT that David also did not follow the traditions of men, and was not stoned

SDAs strain at gnats to get around the FACT that Christ is the end of the law to those who believe.

BUT they swallow the camel of EGW who said they also must obey the Sabbath, like the Jews of old

They also gleefully say others not obeying EGWs camel will go to hell.

That is a sad commentary
---John_T on 3/18/08


There is a story in the Bible about ten lepers who were all healed and Jesus told them to go show themselves to the priest. Notice that He didn't tell them to go keep 10 commandments nor did He preach 10 commandments. These men knew they were sinners because they had leprosy, a sure sign of the curse of the law...and they had Pharisess who I am sure were quick to let them in on the reason for their problem.
---Linda on 5/21/07


As they were on the way, one of the ten turned back and thanked Jesus. That one man was made whole while the other nine were only physically healed. What's the point? To love the Commander more than the commandment is what will bring wholeness as opposed to just physical healing. That one man got a revelation of just who the Priest was, came back and thanked Him (nothing else), and was made whole. I see no other commandment kept by that man except to show himself to the priest.
---Linda on 5/21/07


Jana-You asked how many laws I keep.

Answer: I haven't counted them, but I seek to obey ALL God's new covenant commands,INCLUDING the 10 commandments.

You asked what day I rest on.

Answer: I labor to enter God's rest EVERYDAY, as God's 4th commandment tells me to!
---Sheila on 5/20/07


Jana-You keep ONLY 10C's(Hope you do the others too!)
Maybe say ordinances about sexuality are under C of adultery&others we're to obey.
You keep the newC(I hope!)thinking it's part of Golden Rule(it's NOT,but so?)
You keep 7thDay out of love(I hope!)but obey God ALL days,doing ALL for Him(I hope!)

I DON'T change C's! I use scripture!
What've I said about how you define things that's untrue?
---Sheila on 5/20/07




The Bible, God's Word, gave us laws to live by. What shape would the world be in if there were no laws given by God? Since by nature we are born rebelious, the world wouldn't be fit to live in. The world would be run by dictators trying to outdo one another. Without God, could man really make up laws similar to the ten commandments? No they couldn't. The only laws man would create is to fit their own agenda. God has a different unselfish agenda - to get us back to the Garden of Eden.
---Steveng on 5/20/07


jana - Romans 13:9 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, & any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

And what does the observance of a particular day have to do with love of neighbor. The obvious answer is NOTHING!

Could it be that you are a legalists, thinking the obedience to law puts you above everyone else?
---lee on 5/20/07


Sheila: I obey all 10 commandments of God which He commanded us all to keep..not just 9 as some do but ALL of them..He only gave us 10 laws to go by in our daily lives..how many do u keep sister and what day do u rest on..God said the 7thday He rested and that is where we get our rest from..the 7th day Sabbath..just as God says..
---jana on 5/20/07


Ah ha!More CLEAR proof ToDay is EVERYDAY& NOT just weekly7thDay!

Hb3:13*But exhort one another DAILY,while it's called ToDay;lest any of you be hardened thru the deceitfulness of sin.*

Please everyone see within context of Scripture of 4thC in Ex20,Dt5,Ps95,Mt11:28-30,Hb3&4. Hb3:13 inarguably says Sabbath is DAILY!

Rest&work are SAME under Jesus'yoke!(Like Eden).4thC is obedience.If God say DONT gather manna,DONT do it!If He says break off grain heads,DO it-regardless of day!
---Sheila on 5/19/07


I'll try to leave this blog for other efforts.Not that it's been in vain.I've learned:
*A blessing isn't a promise
*Likely there's NO change to 10C inNT,but are further explained
*To day isn't a new time for Sabbath,it always been that way
*work&rest under Jesus yoke are the same,as it was in Garden of Eden
*4thC is about obedience.Esp clear how it's restated to David:
*To day if ye will hear His voice,Harden not your heart..*
&MUCH more like from Billy&others.Thank you all!
---Sheila on 5/17/07




Jana-If I understand you right, you mean to say that God's commandments written on stone are greater than any of His commandments not on stone.UNTRUE!
How do you decide what commands/ordinances/ceremonies no longer apply to us?
BTW,sure wish you would have managed to answer Lee's question with the requested simple "yes or no."
---Sheila on 5/9/07


jana - *Lee those who insist on Sabbath observance are obedient believers to the commands of God.*

Romans 14;5-6 One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.
---lee on 5/9/07


Jana-*Modern day Judaizas are you guys as you are disobedient to God's commands.*

You're picking and choosing which commands you think you ought to follow. I know you're not just observing those that were written on stone.So how do YOU choose,Jana?

What would you call a person who does that sort of thing?
---Sheila on 5/9/07


The preaching of the Cross, that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified, is what draws sinners to Jesus. The Cross did away with all of the Law.
---Helen_5378 on 4/29/07


Lee those who insist on Sabbath observance are obedient believers to the commands of God. Christ is the Sabbath and the 10 commandment or have you purposely forgotten kid. Modern day Judaizas are you guys as you are disobedient to God's commands. You are disobedient to the Almighty who is the Word John 1:1..alll of it, not just half..
---jana on 4/28/07


I apologize to all of you that this is without warning, but I'm going to be gone from home for over a week.

I apologize greatly for any questions someone may ask me or information someone may show me that I won't get to answer or see because I will be gone.

Please still answer any questions I may have asked or comment on information I have given because it is likely to enlighten others on this blog.
---Sheila on 4/26/07


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Geoff-Please explain these verses in context of Sabbath/Sabbath Day:

Ps.95:11,Hb.4:3,5,8 God swore they won't enter His rest

Ps.95:7-8,Mt11:28-30,Hb.4:7-9 His remaining Sabbath rest is Today,Now,Another Day that's NOT Sabbath Day

Hb4:11 Entering the rest involves labor

Mt.11:28-30,Jn.5:17,Hb.4:10 God's remaining rest is NOT void of labor
---Sheila on 4/19/07


Lee, the issue in Acts 15 is circumcision, NOT the 4th Commandment or the Sabbath.

The Bible sets you straight on truly living by faith-James 2:17-26.

Lee, NT does NOT contradict OT-2 Tm 3:16, Is 28:10, Is 8:20, Lk 24:27. You even suggest inconsistency in the church, but the Bible says otherwise-Ro 12:16, 1 Cor 1:10, Phil 4:2, 1 Pt 4:1.
---Geoff on 4/8/07


Geoff - The early church was a church in conflict with the Judaizers of that day who refused to recognize the decisions of the Jerusalem council Acts 15 and were the main opponents of Paul whose ministry was primarily to the Gentiles.

Today we still see that conflict between the modern day Judaizers - those that insist on Sabbath observance, dietary laws, etc. against those who would live by faith alone. The children of Hagar versu those of the promise given to Abraham. Galatians
---lee on 3/21/07


Geoff - while the early church had not only the Old Testament scripture but also the Apostles & their immediate successors. The Old Testament was used primarily as a means of showing that it has its fulfillment in Jesus.
As the NT was composed, copies were made available to the various churches. In fact, the status of a church depended in part on what portions of Scripture they possessed.
---lee on 3/21/07


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Lee asks "Now what is wrong with that?" Problem's that the NT church had the OT for scripture and all teaching was weighed in the court of the Law.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20; Mt 4:4, 6, 7, 10; Lk 24:27...
---Geoff on 3/21/07


jana - *Lee: u behave like an uneducated man*

An uneducated man would not ask you to justify your belief that when the Bible speaks of 'the law' that if included only the ceremonial law.

Sorry but my doctrine is from the Bible; as interpreted by the saints of His church, not Ellen White.
---lee on 3/21/07


Geoff - I have only 9 of the 10 commandments? not really, I have only one - the law of Christ for we read in

Romans 13:9 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, & any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

Now what is wrong with that except that it does not include obedient to the Jewish Sabbath commandment - a commandment not found within the New Covenant dispensation?
---lee on 3/21/07


jana - *Everthing contained within the C/L was a shadow that pointed to Jesus as the substance:*

I can only agree with you on that, but in view of the fact that the Sabbath commandment foreshadowed our rest in Christ, it is also a ceremonial law. That should be obvious in view of the fact that nowhere in the New Testament is there a command to observe the Jewish sabbath. It is not even viewed as a sin in the NT.
---lee on 3/21/07


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jana - I have a simple "yes or no" question for you.

Do you wish to adhere to that 'ministry of death craved on stone that passed away' or 'the more glorious ministry of the Spirit'? 2 Cor. 3:7-9

You will either adhere to the New Covenant that God gave to Israel that included the Gentiles, or that Old Covenant that God gave only to the Jewish nation. You cannot follow both, mixing the leaven of works with grace.
---lee on 3/21/07


Lee: u behave like an uneducated man..The C/L of Moses defined the earthly temple services n all the special annual sabbaths. Everthing contained within the C/L was a shadow that pointed to Jesus as the substance:"4the Law having a shawo of the good things to come and n ot the very image of the things, can vever with these sme sacrifices etc Heb10:1
---jana on 3/21/07


Lee: Jews only to keep Sabbath...I ask u Lee: If the Bible say Jews only 2keep Sabbath, why then are you reading and believing the Bible if you dont want to observe and be obedient to what it teaches? Christ was a Jew, He is whom we worship, then what are you doing calling yourself a Christian when u truly are not? Oh I forgot, your a Jesuite...sorry ...forgot..
---jana on 3/21/07


Lee: a new ministryin which the old has passed away...ABSOLUTELY. Christ replaced the old ministry meaning the old sacrificial system, ceremonial things ended at the cross(made obselete) and Christ bcame the sac/lamb of God. no more killing of animals for sin..thats what the new ministry means...u confuse yourself all the time and call it the 10Cs that r done away..wrong Lee..study some more..
---jana on 3/21/07


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Lee said "the sabbath commandment is not a moral law but a mere ceremonial one."

You're the one carving up the law in effort to extricate the 4th of the moral code-TEN Commandments. You no longer have 10 but 9. It's not so just because you say so. You have no scriptural support so you resort to bullying, just because you say so...

But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 15:9
---Geoff on 3/20/07


greetings.leslie,you state, 'this is what jesus did'.In fact Jesus' methods of training his children is-the positive injunction to do good in the place of the older Jewish method of forbidding to do evil.Jesus employed the positive form of exhortation.
---earl on 3/20/07


Geoff - *And He wrote them in 2 tables of stone, & delivered them unto me" Dt 5:22.*

2 Cor. 3:7-8 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?

You need to develop your doctrine from the New Testament; not the Old.
---lee on 3/20/07


Junia - many people that are Christian simply cannot read so the Bible is little use to them personally, but in order to grow in Christ and understand spiritual things, they at least need to heard the word expounded upon by those who can read.

Remember very few in the early church even had a bible much less knew how to read but they knew Christ as their teacher.
---lee on 3/20/07


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Fully agree. It is the same as people saying, they don't need the Bible, but they are Christians.
---Junia on 3/20/07


Geoff - *The moral law, God's holy 10 Commandments are a unit-10! No more, no less! So you can't slice, dice, dissect, break them up.*

No matter how you slice, dice, dissect it or whatever you do, the sabbath commandment is not a moral law but a mere ceremonial one.
---lee on 3/20/07


It is written you should not add to nor take away from the word of God. Sorry to say, but that is exactly what many do when they ignor scriptures to support their own beliefs. Jesus told a lad in Matt when asked what he should do, to obey the commandments and named all ten. Jesus also gave us two new commandments in Matt. You can deny it, but listen to the Holy Ghost and not man. Jesus said it clearly. that is good enough for me to obey all His commandments.
---Dave on 3/20/07


Lee said "Gentiles were not free from moral laws; something they already had in common." There's hope for you, Lee. The moral law, God's holy 10 Commandments are a unit-10! No more, no less! So you can't slice, dice, dissect, break them up. "These words the LORD spake... & He added no more. And He wrote them in 2 tables of stone, & delivered them unto me" Dt 5:22. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, & yet offend in 1 point, he is guilty of all" Ja 2:10.
---Geoff on 3/19/07


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jana - *what happened to the Law/Moses Law? It was made obsolete for Jesus bcame the Sac/Lam that takes away our sins*

yes that is totally true and in making the Old Covenant obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) ushered in the New Covenant - a ministry in which the Old Covenant passed away being replaced by the more glorious ministry of the Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:7

I hope that you are starting to understand these concepts...you give us hope.
---lee on 3/19/07


jana, are you saying that you can be justified by law apart from Christ? Specificaly are you saying you can be justified by the 10 C's, a ministry of death engraved on stones?
---Ryan on 3/19/07


Lee: Jesus obeyed law then at the cross, bcame our Redeemer..ABSOLUTELY, then what happened to the Law/Moses Law? It was made obselte for Jesus bcame the Sac/Lam that takes away our sins. No more sacrificing of animals Lee..this is what we keep telling u this law is LOM not 10C.
---jana on 3/18/07


Lee: Jesus obeyed law then at the cross, bcame our Redeemer..ABSOLUTELY, then what happened to the Law/Moses Law? It was made obselte for Jesus bcame the Sac/Lam that takes away our sins. No more sacrificing of animals Lee..this is what we keep telling u this law is LOM not 10C.
---jana on 3/18/07


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No, Jesus did not do what you say, instead Jesus said to the Minister of the O.T., You must be born-again, else you cannot enter into heaven.
---Eloy on 3/18/07


Geoff - *...then God changed His mind*

Consider that under the Old Covenant, you would be on some yonder hill sacrificing a goat for your sinfulness.

Consider that the Christians no longer needs to be circumcized or be a Jew to be a Christian.

Acts 15:28-29 concludes that Gentiles need not observe Mosaic laws.

Gentiles were not free from moral laws;something they already had in common.

God did not change his mind but merely the way in which He deals with his creation.
---lee on 3/18/07


Lee said "My Bible informs me that [God] told the Jews to keep the Sababth day under the Old Covenant... but nothing in the Bible instructs us Gentiles to observe the Jewish Sabbath."

Your confusion implies that for 2000 yrs people freely sinned, then God changed His mind, made Laws to stop it, then changed His mind again in NC. What came first, sin or the Law? Sin=breaking the Law, 1 Jn 3:4. Before Moses, Joseph knew this-Gen 39:9, even the devil in the beginning-1 Jn 3:8.
---Geoff on 3/18/07


jhonney - *Numerous distnictions are made. "Ceremonial" is not one them.*

Then show me a single Bible verse that has the clause 'moral law' or 'ceremonial law'.

The Adventist like to interpret, for instance, law in Galatians 3:24 as ceremonial law as follows -

Wherefore the [ceremonial] law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

When the Bible speaks of "law", it does not make any distinction as to types.
---lee on 3/4/07


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Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
How can you seek God or his Son if not through the Holy Spirit seeing we no not Jesus after the Flesh but by the Spirit?
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


Exzucuh: Sounds like a doctrine of separations at work. Nowhere in the bible does it say to "seek the holy spirit" as you say.
---jhonny on 3/4/07


Lee you said, "when the Bible speaks of "the law" it nowhere makes any distinction as to types of law."
Why would you say that??? Numerous distnictions are made. "Ceremonial" is not one them.
---jhonny on 3/4/07


part one
preach the gospel of the Kingdom

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom,
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about preaching the gospel of the kingdom
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


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part two
what is the kingdom?


Mark 4:30 And he said, With what shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?( it is mustard seed Faith.)
Mark 9:1 kingdom of God come with power.
It is power)
Mark 10:14 Suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God. ( it is child like Faith)
Mark 10:23 How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!( it is forsaking all for Jesus)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


continue
what is the kingdom ?

Mark 12:33-34 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said unto him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that dared ask him any question.
( it is Gods love in you)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


continue
what is the kingdom?
Luke 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. (Those who recognize their need for God and not in their own abilities to help themselves or trust in riches.)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


continue
what is the kingdom?
Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
(It is the servant mentality, let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus who thought it not robbery to be equal with God but humbled himself as a servant.)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


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continue
what is the Kingdom?
Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
( It is to not to look back to what Jesus has brought you from as did Lots wife leaving Sodom, whether it is the world or religion, the Law, whatever. We have a new Testament of Grace and the Law of the Spirit.)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


Continue
what is the kingdom?
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
( It is destroying the dominion of the devil)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


continue
what is the kingdom?

Luke 13:20 And again he said, To what shall I liken the kingdom of God?Luke 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
( it is seeking the Spirit of God and growing as you press in from faith to faith to the full stature of Christ.)
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


what is the Kingdom?

Luke 16:15 he said unto them, You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.
the Law ended with John now the Kingdom of God is preached and obtained by those who take it by perseverance , God gives his Spirit to those who obey him.
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


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exzuuch can u provide biblical texts to back your statements "preach gospel of kindom and not 10commandments please? Did u not know that Jesus is the Gospel, He is the 10commandments,He is the Word john1:1,2 He is the Word made flesh? Rev14:12Here is the patience of the saints, here r they that keep the commandments of God,n the faith of JC.Rev19:10Testimony of JC is Spirit of Prophecy.
---jana on 3/4/07


jhonny - *Lee, you say they werenot bound by ceremonial law. This is not a term in the bible, nevermind being a condition whereto one is bound.*

Agree that when the Bible speaks of "the law" it nowhere makes any distinction as to types of law.

One can, however, identify a law as being moral, civil, or ceremonial by its nature & definition.

Moral and civil for instance involves relationships with others, ceremonial law is more connected with religious observances.
---lee on 3/3/07


We are commanded by Jesus to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom not the ten Commandments, There are only two Commandments in the Kingdom of God,to love God and your neighbor as yourself. Only by the Spirit of God can this be accomplished, the gospel of the Kingdom is to seek the Holy Spirit and you will have the Father and the Son living in you.
---exzucuh on 3/3/07


yes I would agree that Jesus born under the law, kept the law - as it was originally intended, and at the Cross became our Redeemer (Acts 7:35) "to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons." Gal. 4:5
---lee on 3/3/07


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Our own righteousness will never earn salvation. That's why we boast in the righteousness of our saviour, and in that name we have joy and are exalted with him.
To say the saviour broke a commandment is another way of denying the glory of the saviour that bought us.
As far as burdening people with the sabbath I hold that in question.
---jhonny on 3/3/07


Have you not read so much as this,.." These religious fakers who were in power as they are today, were dropping the ball. This was sabbath understanding 101. "Sunday-school stuff". Lee, you say they were not bound by "ceremonial law". This is not a term in the bible, nevermind being a condition whereto one is bound. Maybe you could explain what you are trying to say.
---jhonny on 3/3/07


Jesus did not break one of the 10 commandments. He was a perfect Lamb, without spot or blemish, a perfect sacrifice for sins. When Jesus ate corn from the cornfield, or healed a man, on the Sabbath, it was clear that He did not break the Sabbath. What He did break, was the man made restrictions on the Sabbath which the Jews invented. Of course it was okay to do good on the Sabbath, & HEAL, but the Jews lost sight of the true meaning of the day,& therefore accused him of breaking the Sabbath.
---Gina on 3/3/07


Luke 6:2-3 And certain of the Pharisees said to them, Why do you that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days? And Jesus answering them said, Have you not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungered, and they which were with him;

Apparently neither Jesus nor David felt bound by ceremonial laws when human need was in view.
---lee on 3/2/07


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Eloy, I'll remember that.
---jhonny on 3/1/07


Jesus did work on Sunday. Perhaps, Later I will explain. I can tell you this much right now. He didn't sit all day.
---catherine on 3/1/07


Eloy: "I do not care if you disbelieve that Jesus worked on the sabbath, for I know that he did and he still does." A foolish man rebukes instruction and "does not care". If you understood what I wrote, you would know that there were certain types of "work" that were allowed on the Sabbath according to the OT laws. One being to help someone in need. Read the parable of the Lost Sheep.
---Steveng on 2/28/07


.jhonny, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/28/07


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What's wrong with agreeing to disagree? No sarcastic remarks. Just differences of opinions.
---faye4464 on 2/27/07


Eloy. The scripture recorded an accusation, not what Eloy said.
---jhonny on 2/27/07


.jhonny, To say that Jesus worked on the sabbath is to repeat exactly what the Holy Scriptures recorded, and it is not saying that what jhonny says.
---Eloy on 2/27/07


To say Jesus "worked" on the sabbath is to fall into a false definition provided by orthodoxy of the time. Which is misrepresentation. Chirst healed, they accused him of work. Christs rebuttal was a lecture on raising the dead, concluding with this. Jo5:29, "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." Heal anytime, it's a good work for life.
---jhonny on 2/26/07


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.steveng, I do not care if you disbelieve that Jesus worked on the sabbath, for I know that he did and he still does. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work on the Sabbath, and the Scriptures say so. Only unlearned man thinks that all things stop on the sabbath, when in truth they just keep right on going and going and going...now I sound like that rabbit beating the drum on that Ever ready battery commercial on TV.
---Eloy on 2/26/07


Agree with JohnT on the gnats thing, but what the SDA is pitching from Ellen White smells like camel droppings!
---lee on 2/26/07


1/ SDAs strain at gnats to get around the FACT that Jesus did not follow the traditions of men regarding the Sabbath.

SDAs strain at gnats to get around the FACT that the commandment is rooted in the covenantal relation that God has with Jews.

SDAs strain at gnats to get around the FACT that the basis for observance was slavery of Jews
---John_T on 2/26/07


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