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Prophesying In Tongues

What are your views about speaking in tongues, praying in tongues and prophesying?

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Rebecca what is your standard? It can't be if they stand or sit. Maybe you want them to sit and God wants them to stand or they are not of God at all. So what concrete standard do you go by. Again what you want is not the standard or enough. Maybe what God wants is for you to stand and rebuke the foolishness.
Again I warn, Church is not a spectator sport where we go watch and get entertained. It is where we go to get fueled up for service, not to watch other people.
---Elder on 6/14/08


1 Corinthians 12:1-11. Speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit. Speaking in tongues does no good if no one understands the message. It is a gift given to certain individuals to be able to communicate with those of a different language. Not everyone understands the King James version.Making that message clearer in other wording is kind of the same as speaking in tongues. It's only one of the gifts. Just because someone is speaking in tongues doesn't mean they have the Holy spirit, be careful!
---Gail on 6/14/08


"Speaking in Tongues" is the "Door of utterance" into the Kingdom of God. Paul said that he did it more than ya all. He wasn't trying to be better than anyone else, he was teaching or explaining that "hearing that still small voice" in "tongues" allows us to hear that same voice in prophesy.
---Jim on 6/12/08


Speaking in tongues is speaking in foreign languages that someone recognizes. Anything resembling chimpanzees, or babble is not of God. Therefore all the tongues we hear is of the flesh. Charismatic = of the devil. It was paid for by the Illuminati to send people away from the Bible truths and towards living in the flesh. See John Todd's testimony. He was illuminati. He received funds to give for the Charismatic movement.
---frances008 on 6/11/08


Elder: I test the spirits to see if they be of God or not. If a person is speaking in tongues and I am unsure about them, I test their spirit by asking God if they are of you, then let them keep on, but if they are not of you, then sit them down. Because I don't have time to hear someone speaking in tongues who doesn't have this gift. They either have it or they don't.
---Rebecca_D on 6/11/08




..got proof?

The cultural rhetoric used to discribe the effect is vastly different but the experience a bio-chemical reaction, stumuli to beats and rythems. Much scientific study of it has been made.
---MikeM on 5/8/07

Who is it that is showing you a fool? Test the Spirits as God Commands.
Mindless Blathering is not from God. Paul declared that such should not happen in the Church. Tongues are for the edification of the Unbeliever and not for glorying in self.
---TS on 5/8/07
---lisa on 6/10/08


..got proof?

No, Actually Paul did say not to use tongues in Church to show how glorified you are with gifts but to use the gift to reach the unbeliever. He admonished them to stop the nonsense in church.
---TS on 5/9/07
---lisa on 6/10/08


james...etc. This is one of your favorite subjects. I would almost call it an obsession.
I've read all of your variations about the blathering and foaming at the mouth, but actually this is the most truthful you've ever been. You came right out and said that you think tongues are of the devil.
That's blasphemy, of course.
---lisa on 6/10/08


I have no idea what happened to MikeM, or Jack or Helen or many others.
I don't know if MikeM is spending a timeout for not playing well in the sandbox.
But I always know who enjoys this subject more than any other on the blogs.
---lisa on 6/10/08


lisa, woa there, are you confusing me with someone else? Don't say I said something unless you can prove it. I never said anything about "blathering or foaming". However, IF anything thinks speaking in tongues is from God and can do it, bring it on! Let me test it. This is not to say God will not be involved in this, but be very careful with it! After all, even Peter was deceived by it. His speach was a lie and IF it came from the Holy Spirit, it would NOT have been a lie.
---james on 6/10/08




When God gives someone the gift of tongues, they don't go to China to talk to them. That is an unknown tongue, a foreign language, not the gift of tongues. The gift of tongues is when the Holy Ghost is speaking through you and speaking directly to God. No one, even yourself and not even Satan can understand what was being said unless someone has the gift of interruption.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/08


Rebecca_D on 6/9/08 you said, "James: The reason why you believe tongue speaking is deceiving is because what you heard was not of God."
Educate me please. How do you tell the difference apart from feelings of what you think? In Acts the emphasis was on the hearing of the magnificent Word of God by those of a different language than those speaking. So please explain your statement.
---Elder on 6/9/08


James: The reason why you believe tongue speaking is deceiving is because what you heard was not of God. If a person has the gift of tongues and God needs to use them as a mouthpiece for him and they don't, they will get in trouble with the Lord. I for one, will use my gifts from God for his glory. I will not let others discourage me just because they don't believe that way.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/08


"Speaking in tongues" is the ability to speak many languages so that others around the world may know the gospel. If it's just a bunch of "mumbo jumbo" then that's all it is.
---Ken on 6/9/08


You may not like my answer, but I always know whom I'm speaking with.
With a critical spirit comes misery on every side. Others run and recoil from a critical, judgmental spirit. You won't find any peace with a mission of this kind.
There's a very fine line between exposing the truth and becoming so critical, judgmental that you can no longer hear from God.
---lisa on 6/9/08


So, james, I have read many of your comments about tongues being blathering and foaming of the mouth. But between the lines is a highly critical and judgmental spirit that is having a tough time when not judging the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
---lisa on 6/9/08


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Since I am a nit-picker you may not like my answer. I tend to look at what Jesus said and taught. Jesus never taught and said anything about speaking in tongues. He did say things about people prophesying about things that God did not give them and this is serious! It would be better to keep your mouth shut! He also said what comes out of our mouths is what will condemn us. Personally, I believe speaking in tongues is from Satan. Why? It's so deceiving!
---james on 6/7/08


Would if be alright if I asked you what church you are ministering to, Matthew?
---Cindy on 6/6/08


The Love doctrine, sounds like the One World church. Do you believe the gifts are not for today, Matthew?
---Cindy on 9/24/07


Cynthia 1, If you saw an eclipse last night, the planet was us, the earth, passing between the "sun" and the "moon." I did not see it, I wished I did, however God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/5/07


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Johnny 5, I was very glad to see what I am sensing the Spirit of God is revealing to you, as I was coming inside to write you back last night the moon started appearing red and then a planet went infront of it, thankfuly a guy past me by and said oh, yes this is a moon eclipse, people were waiting for, signs in the heavens. However, I checked the verse you wrote, excellent, Amen. PT. 1
---Cynthia_1 on 3/4/07


Yes Johnny 5, All sins are forgiven, EXCEPT, FOR THE SIN OF SPEAKING AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST. It is extremely frightening. This sin will never, be forgiven.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/4/07


I meant Chapters 12, 13, 14 of 1Corinthians. All about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Of course there other references on the subject.
The gifts manifest to edify the people. Very important we have Discernment to be sure come from God. Confirmed by two or three members.

Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ.
Word of God is the basis of all truths.
---agnea on 3/3/07


Cynthia 1, You do not have to respond back to me, for I checked your verses and found the answer, your verse at 1Cor 13:1 led me to read the whole book again. Please forgive me if I have hurt or upset you. I was wrong! I must have picked this up from one of those preachers on TV. I will try to pay more attention to what I am talking about, I am not "perfect." Nor is anyone else. However, I'd like to leave you this verse, that God made me stumble across,(1Cor 14:2) cont.
---Johnny_5 on 3/3/07


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(pt.2 to Cynthia1) I would encourage everyone to read the (1Cor) book all the way through again. This is a dangerous subject, to say something against the "Holy Spirit." I hope you will forgive me. I will be more cautious in the future. God bless, and peace be with you always. By the way, I wish to retract what I said on this blog before now, God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/4/07


Actually, there are three types of "speaking in tongues," One, when you are alone and you "babble" what is on your heart. I suggest a closet, the top of a mountain, or the middle of the desert. Two, when you "babble" in a congregation only when an interpretor is present. Most churches don't do this because they deny God's power. And, three, when you speak in a language that is understood by a different culture. The apostles talked and taught all three.
---Steveng on 3/3/07


1 Cor 12:10; 1 Cor 14:6 some tongues are of the angels and require interpretation by others. Paul says that this is permitted and shall not be forbidden; however, the important matter is that anything spoken must be able to be understood by some means. The gift of tongues has been found in a few Christian denominations, and does occur even within the RCC; however, I strongly disagree with making a particular gift as a requirement for proof of salvation.
---lorra8574 on 3/3/07


mathew, your most recent point is awesome, very right on their man hahah...i think we agree on this issue more than we both think...
I have heard of demonic manifestations where the person speaks in a tongue not of this earth
---mark on 3/3/07


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When I said that we speak in tongues of angels, referring to 1 Corinthians 13:1, Psalms 141:2 Let my prayer be set for before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. Sorry not expounded, but I am very buisy tonight, I hope this little, helps. Bye for now.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/3/07


Steveng, You could say that is where I picked up the "5" on my name. My name is Johnny, however there are alot of Johnny's on these blogs, then I remembered that movie, and yes, that is why I put the "5" on my name, because Johnny 5 "is alive." Anyway, I liked your response on the Prophet. Keep the faith, and God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/3/07


Johnny, right now I have a bunch of kids at my house, swimming in my pool, I must oversee them, or else. I will write you after, bye for now.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/3/07


Not ones mind will be changed. However, I call for consideration Acts 2. Jesus promised new comforter, and to dwell with the inward man. That is accomplished in Acts 2. The public, people from all the known world, heard the rejoicing of the disciples, over a hundred of them. Peter got up to defend the stir for the populace could understand each in their own tonguethe disciples were speaking established languages, not unknown tongues as interpreted by some as found in Corinthians. 3000 were added.
---Jerry on 3/3/07


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Cynthia 1, You never answered my question. Where in the Bible does it say, WE SPEAK TO ANGLES IN TONGUES and it goes up as an incense to God. Please tell.
---Johnny_5 on 3/3/07


am truly sorry Agnes if my statement has insulted u cos its not meant 2b. 1Cor12:14For the body itself is not madeup of only onepart, but of many parts.If u r adding speaking tongues in it yes I agree but A KNOWN LANGUAGE.Not an unknown. I speak tongues too. Infact 4known languages and I now and again interpret n church for others. Thats what I understand speaking tongues is meant.
---jana on 3/3/07


The facts are, you must have the power of God to exercise any Spiritual Gift. If it's not power from above, then it's fake. These gifts, they belong to God, and without Him, useless.
---catherine on 3/2/07


Johnny_5 (any relation to Short Circuit?): "you should be telling us something we don't know." Not necessarily. A prophet is used when a godly person takes a detour off the Godly path and needs a whack on the side of the head to bring him back to the right path.
---Steveng on 3/2/07


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Dave, Jana, and Matthew, I believe you all to be correct on this. Dave, "Excellant job", Jana, "Beautiful job", Matthew, "Great job." Don't lose the "faith". God bless and keep on with the "TRUTH". That was just "beautiful"!!!!
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


Rod, Why do you call yourself a prophet? Don't you realize the "responsibility" behind that "name?" However if you are a "prophet", then you should be telling us something we don't know. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


This is why the "if you speak in tongues you are saved" doctrine is a dangerous doctrine to believe and demand on others. It's a dangerous doctrine because people who believe tend to justify if a person is saved or not based on if they can speak in tongues are not. Tongues can be glossolalia or even an evil Spirit.
---Matthew on 3/2/07


Cynthia 1, I have never read in the Bible, what you claim as SPEAKING IN TONGUES TO ANGELS and the aftermath being an incense to God. Could you please show us this Scripture?
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


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Sorry Jana. I grew up SDA but am now worshipping God in truth and in spirit. I go to Christian full gospel fellowship.SDA are knowledgeable in the Word of God. Before you make judgement will you please read again the gifts of the Holy Spirit? For a start 1 Corinthians 12-14. Then give us your comment. God bless you.
---agnea on 3/2/07


Jana, You are absolutely, positively, 1000 times over CORRECT !!!!!
---Johnny_5j on 3/2/07


Jana, You are correct and there is no other answer for this question. As I said before, the speaking in tongues, or more properly put, the speaking of many languages, was given to the disciples in order for them to go to other lands to preach and prophesy in other languages. Now if you have a church filled with people that speak English, then there is no need to be blurting out things that no one can understand, for there is suppose to be an interpreter.
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


My father was a strong man of God, Sometimes he would speak in different known languages, French, Spanish, Russian, and even Greek, people would tell him that he was speaking their language, and they would interpret. There were other times when he would speak in the tongues of angels. He not only spoke in the tongue, but ALWAYS INTERPRETED EACH AND EVERY SINGLED TIME.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/2/07


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The gift of tongues is just that, a gift that helps you understand what is being said by someone speaking a foreign language. It helps you learn the language to communicate. so many nowadays say things that are not known to anyone and try to pass it off as speaking to God. NOT. it has to be a known language, not mumbo jumbo. without an interpreter, it is foolish ramblings. The kingdom of God is in order, not chaos where people run in fear.
---Dave on 3/2/07


Jana, from what some of it sounds like when you say writhing on the floor that tells me, there was some demonic deliverance, happening there some tongues are demonic, and will send shivers down your spine, it is more of a tic, tic, kind of talk, but then there is Glossalia, THE TONGUES OF ANGELS, and that stuff is totaly beautiful, it is the most perfect language of the soul, which then goes as incense up to God.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/2/07


tongues is a gift given to those who have been filled with the spirit. Rod, the Prophet
---Rod_the_Prophet on 3/2/07


speaking in tongues means speaking in known languages, not some mumbo jumbo language which sound strange. The Bible dont teach mumbo jumbo language but known languages. I have been 2 a strange tongue speaking church which made me turn on my heel quickly and left. I dont believe the H/S make people writhe on the floor and shake with froth coming out of the mouth. I have seen it. Speaking in tongues means speaking in known languages.
---jana on 3/2/07


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The speaking of tongues was given to the desciples in order for them to go to other people who spoke different languages so that they could communicate with them.
---Johnny_5 on 3/1/07


During church services it isn't out of place to speak in tongues w/o an interpreter. Paul was telling them that it would be out of place for a person to try to instruct or teach while speaking in tongues. It wouldn't help or edify anyone.

During praise/worship a person speaking in tongues isn't talking to anyone but God. That is why it doesn't require interpretation then.
---Rickey on 3/1/07


*the person speaking in tongues is not speaking to him but to God*

Yes this is private tongues or what some call prayer tongues. I think we are still on the same page. If not, our differences do not matter much. We both understand we can't justify speaking outloud in tongues in public without an interpreter which was the main issue I was tackling and it is why we see so much babbling in these "tongue" Churches(they are not form the Holy Spirit).
---Matthew on 3/1/07


*In churches i've been in sometimes someone starts to like yell in tongues, i'm thinking expecting an interpretation to come, when it doesnt people ask him to be quiet...*

Good, then you understand exactly what I was addrressing. I didn't say all tongues need an interpreter. I addressed prayer tongues or better said private song as for edifying self. They can be done in private without an interpreter. But someone who speaks tongues out loud in public should have an interpreter our keep quiet.
---Matthew on 3/1/07


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When you speak in unknown tongues you speak to God, not to man...you are to be quiet, that doesnt mean that you cant talk to God in your unknown, vs 39 says not to forbid speaking in tongues...
In churches i've been in sometimes someone starts to like yell in tongues, i'm thinking expecting an interpretation to come, when it doesnt people ask him to be quiet...
CONT
---mark on 2/28/07


first of all, tongues were to edify yourself vs 4 chpt 14, when you prophecy then you are edifying the church, to make the prophecy valid you needed an interpreter(if your speaking in tongues), thats why Paul is saying be queit unless their is an intepreter...
---mark on 2/28/07


Paul also says that prophecing is greater than tongues; why would you want someone speaking in tongues to you rather than prophecying over you, the only time using unknown tongues is not a lesser gift, is when it is intepreted...
speaking in unknown tongues is purely for yourself, and it is a language b/w the person and God, and the person speaking in tonguesis not going to give a hoot, what the person next to him thinks about it, b/c the person speaking in tongues is not speaking to him but to God
---mark on 2/28/07


Thank you guys for having a different view on this, it makes me go back and re-look at what i believe and make sure it lines up w/ the bible...
:)
---mark on 2/28/07


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(1 Corinthians 14:26-28)26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, twoor at the most threeshould speak, one at a time,and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
---Matthew on 2/28/07


2) Tongues was for edifying the Church. A sign to unbelievers. To prove that the tongues were genuine interpreters that understood the lanuguage had to be present. When there is no interpreter you keep quiet because the tongues will cause unbelievers to want to leave the Church. It will look like insanity to them. That isn't edifying.
It's all about order. Since God is orderly he wants his gifts done in order. Tongues should be done one at a time with an interpreter.
---Matthew on 2/28/07


3) Prayer tongues are for edifying your self but public tongues are supposed to be edifying the Church as a witness to unbelievers. If there is no interpreter it is just babble to them and it looks, well, crazy. There are many Churches and doctrines that claim "proof you have the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues" and this is half true. An unbeliever can speak in tongues, it is called glossolalia.
---Matthew on 2/28/07


4) Also, evil spirits can speak through people in tongues. True tongues come from holy Christians. A sinful disobedient "Christian" that speaks in tongues is not speaking in tongues from the Holy Spirit. Remember how Jesus said to know who is a false prophet or not. (Matthew 7:16-18) He said "You will know them by their fruits." How many people do you think their are that speak tongues and then go to get drunk every weekend, or scream at their family,or curse. That is a scary thought.
---Matthew on 2/28/07


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mathew where is that at, please show me where paul says that...
MARK
:)
---mark on 2/27/07


It is in my own personal experience that the gift of tongues is present and operable in today's churches. I grew up in a "charasmatic church", but at a young age (17) I gave my life to Christ. I was baptized shortly after and as I came out of the water I opened my mouth to gasp and there flowed the utterance of an unintelligible speech. The reason for it not being understandable was that it was not for those around me but for my edification.
---Nneka on 2/27/07


The real question is whether the senseless meaningless babbling called glossolalia is the TRUE spiritual gift of tongues.
---Jack on 2/4/07

It isn't. Many think they can speak in tongues whenever they want and they are deceived. Most speak the babbling we hear now a days. They directly ignore Paul saying ONLY speak in tongues in public where there is an interpreter.
---Matthew on 2/5/07


Jack, you got the essential question correct.

I observed that many answers here are long on opinion, and very short on Scripture directly dealing with that essential difference.

It feels so good, it has to be from God, and therefore, I concoct out-of-context Scriptures to "prove " the unprovable.
---Observer on 2/5/07


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Brothers, Ryan and Jack.
I agree with you both, and think ya'll are correct.

I am merely trying to say..that I believe in the gift of tongues, but whether or not it's a valid tongue gift the individual is speaking when one hears him, I will never know,
exactly because of what both of you are saying. God bless you both!
---DePuTy on 2/4/07


The real question is whether the senseless meaningless babbling called glossolalia is the TRUE spiritual gift of tongues.
---Jack on 2/4/07


#1 DePuTy, **When people speak in mysterious tongues (languages), we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're honestly filled with the Holy Spirit.**

You see my friend this iswhere people get in trouble. The bible is very clear that if you want to speak in tongues but there is no interpruter than you are to remain silent. We are also told to 'test' the spirits.
---Ryan on 2/4/07


#2 DePuTy, We are given better instructions when handeling these matters than, **"...we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're honestly filled with the Holy Spirit."**
---Ryan on 2/4/07


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Ryan
What do u mean by; when did they change?
Whether they changed or not I do not know, If I knew every language in the World I could answer your question.
When people speak in mysterious tongues (languages), we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're honestly filled with the Holy Spirit.
GOD is real which means the Holy Spirit is real, so speaking in tongues has to be real. The Spirit of GOD is everywhere.
---DePuTy on 2/3/07


DePuTy, if tongues are described as human languages, when did they change?
---Ryan on 2/3/07


Brother Ryan.
If you are referring to the languages the Apostles spoke in 'Acts chapter 2' why do you ask me to post it, open the Bible and see them for yourself.
I'm assuming that by you asking me this question you already knew the wherabouts of this information so you don't need my services.
Or I guess, unless you are more specific with your question, I still dont understand you. God Bless!
---DePuTy on 2/2/07


DePuTy, now you are deliberately avoiding the question. Why? Why is it you will not post what the 'tongues' were that the Apostles spoke in Acts?
---Ryan on 2/1/07


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Brother Ryan.
If I had the gift of speaking in tongues.
Or, the gift of interpreting tongues I would answer your question.
Over the years as a Christian, I have heard many people speak in mysterious languages while filled with the Holy Spirit, so I know that it's real.
The 'Bible' is the Word of GOD and I believe that GOD has given the gift of speaking in tongues to some Christians. GOD bless!
---DePuTy on 2/1/07


DePuTy, you did not answer the question.
---Ryan on 2/1/07


Ryan, read;
Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues (1 Corinthians 14)

'verse 2' "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to GOD. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with spirit."

'verse 4' "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself...."

'verse 39' "Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophecy, and Do Not forbid speaking in Tongues.
---DePuTy on 2/1/07


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