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What's the difference between real Christians (Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrians, and other Eastern Christians) on one hand and pop-evangelicals and other protestants on the other?

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Real Christians The Early Church born on the day of Pentecost according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost by Apostle Peter. Remnant of The Early Church still lives today awaiting Jesus return in the cloud.

ALL other relig - org's even the trinity Are Man - made conceptions & the inspiration to man came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 8/12/10

Nicole, you may be right.
---LoveOneAnother on 6/3/08

Dear Nicole I will pray that GOD may heal you. To help others is the greatist of Christian callings.

Denomintions are the result of the falling away from truth by the early churches. But you can still be a Christian if JESUS is first in your life. As he seems to be with you. Look to JESUS not men for salvation and guidance.
---Samuel on 6/3/08

Nicole::We follow whereever we are guided to fulfill His desire in His name.There is a reason for his placement.Thanks for the fill in.I am still Young, I think ,a widower at 38 in reverse.:-) Blessings SR.I enjoy your posts.
---Emcee on 6/3/08

Hi Emcee, no I never was a cloister nun. I was 3rd order Dominican nun. I could visit home. We took care of cancer patients for free.
But, I left before taking my final vows due to illness. If God choose to heal me I would go back tomorrow. Yet, I am content with His Will for me now.
---Nicole on 6/2/08

RitaH::What is meant by 'WE' should accept that other denoms are slightly different"We know that FACT.its not our acceptance,the point at issue .It's whether God accepts the switch in the difference that is being created by those who claim to want to follow Him 'HIS way' or Their way.He gave us "HIS CHURCH 'in matt16:17-19.Asks us to follow Him.Our being friendly is just part of the equation.Families should be of One accord.The devils ploy was to create DENOMS .ARE WE WISE TO FOLLOW?
---Emcee on 6/2/08

Nicole::SR dear, You are not alone .Are you still cloistered?:-)the topics have changed .
---Emcee on 6/2/08

A Real Christian loves GOD with all their Heart, Mind and body. The also love their neighbor as themself. No matter what denominaton they belong to.

JESUS said Christians will be known by their love.

At the same time I do not believe all denominations teach the truth of the Bible.
---Samuel on 6/2/08

Loveoneanother, you are not loving too much with your lies. You should be ashame of yourself. If it is us who believe in Purgutory (Mercy of God), and you all don't. You are the someones who say Heaven or Hell, and that's IT!
We don't. God is Merciful and We are telling everyone of His Mercies.
So, who is trying to

"What they all have in common is that they use fear of eternal punishment to suck people in and control them." ?

It sounds more like you with your denial.
---Nicole on 6/2/08

Alan, I agree with what you say to Emcee - to a point. You are correct that we should accept that other denominations are slightly different. By that I mean that some baptise babies, others adults, some by total immersion, some by sprinkling. The mode of worship can be quiet and serene or very lively (or somewhere in between). Our leaders may wear special attire or dress very informally. We might have an altar or a reading desk, accept women in the pulpit or do not. And so it goes on.
---RitaH on 6/2/08

2. The really big issue is WHO we worship. Who do we accept as Saviour. The bible makes this clear. Jesus is part of the Godhead, HE is our Saviour and HE is the ONLY mediator between God and man. There is no getting away from that regardless of how many other issues we can agree to disagree over or tolerate. Anyone who puts someone else in His place, as mediator, or in some way equal to Him does not believe the teachings of the bible so cannot be considered a Christian.
---RitaH on 6/2/08

Real Christians submit to God's ways and words, accepting the whole bible as the word of God, not just some of the word of God.
---Trisha on 6/2/08

You're confusing Christianity with religion.

Religion is a non-profit organization having their own set of rules and regulations, interpretations of the Bible and traditions. These are man-made "churches," a building to go to.

Christianity, on the other hand, is a personal relationship with God. According to the Bible, the Church is the people, period.

Christ is coming back to join with (marry) people, not denominations, non-prophit organization or buildings.
---Steveng on 6/1/08

Emcee ...# 2 You have heard me often enough here say that we are all Christians (although some will insist their own brand is the only legitimate one) and that I suppose come because of my CofE approach.
That is why I will debate and discuss with yuou about our different perceptions, and it is also why I will not condemn you or the RCC.
---alan_of_UK on 5/30/08

What they all have in common is that they use fear of eternal punishment to suck people in and control them.
---LoveOneAnother on 5/30/08

Emcee ... I don't want to cause discord.
& I agree with you there is one flock, of which JESUS is the Shepherd.
It seems that there are inevitably going to be areas where our understandings differ, and these can be discussed, and reasons given, and perhaps understood, if not agreed with, by the other "side".
We should all be members of the same "family" (flock) but members of families differ.
---alan_of_UK on 5/30/08

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Emcee ...# 1 My statement ""It does NOT mean it accepts all their doctrines" refers to the CofE
The CofE recognises that other denominations exist, and respects their leaders.
There are areas where there is different understanding, and thus certain doctrines & practices are not accepted by differing denoms. ... that is why there are differing denoms
---alan_of_UK on 5/30/08

"It does NOT mean it accepts all their doctrines"
Alan of UK::Does this statement of Yours relate to the Catholic church?excerpt taken from reply to Frances.
---Emcee on 5/30/08

Alan Of Uk::I am aware of Jesus words HIS desires Friend.But would you agree that the dissention or discord is here on this post even as you disagree with me, using the word "differing detail understandings." Another, I was refering to Matt16:17-19 as I said to Samuel and Todd1.That is why Jesus said "I know my sheep and my sheep know me"--no voice The Shepherds.These are his words ,which I use .Matt10:16Its not christians who discord but satan who created the denoms.
---Emcee on 5/30/08

I dont know the verse so well, I just knew that's the verse that you'd bring up. :-)
---Todd1 on 5/29/08

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Emcee ... Yes "One Flock, one Shepherd"
And all Christians are in that flock, no mattere what differing detail understandings they have.
And there is one Shepherd ... Jesus. That's what He said He was.
---alan_of_UK on 5/29/08

Todd::Since you know the verse so well yet you do not realise it as Gods TRUTH or else you would have supported The One and only Jesus who gave us HIS church to be of one accord "Universatality one flock one shepherd"
---Emcee on 5/29/08

Samuel::God gave you free choice and stipulated "HIS choice" in Matt16:17-19You are free to roam the prairies in a christian sence, enrolling yourself of your definition Church. But you will be unable to answer the bugle call as you shall discover you choose to live in the church of YOUR CHOICE.
---Emcee on 5/29/08

ekklsia Church Defintion

Outline of Biblical Usage 1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
b) the assembly of the Israelites

In a Christian sense

A company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus
The whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth

The RCC claims to be the true. But so does mine. To me it is the one the Bible supports not the claim.
---Samuel on 5/29/08

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Frances ... Of course the CofE accepts the Pope as the head of a Christian Church, as it accepted Dr Weatherall as the head another Christian church, and the head of the pentescostals as head of a Christian church. It also recognises the heads of all the denomiations as the heads of those denominations.
It does not mean it is part of those denominations, nor does it mean it accepts all their doctrine.
Nor does non-acceptance of all their doctrine mean that it regards them as non-Christian
---alan_of_UK on 5/29/08

I agree that it is good and right to assemble together and that it is important to build up a local church. But more and more especially in nonChristian cultures, and in a Police State, it becomes impossible to do all that. I myself feel more like the missioners in China in the last couple of hundred years. Isolated. My church is my home, or the park, or the railway station, the street, the cafe. Wherever I can witness, even on a train. Jesus had companions, he was very blessed in that.
---frances008 on 5/28/08

AlanofUK, the CofE is a daughter of the Mother of all Harlots. There is very little difference between them, and the difference is getting less with every passing day. Catholics accept freemasons these days, CofE accept the Pope as a Head of a Christian Church, if not The Head.
---frances008 on 5/28/08

Emcee, I didn't even have to look up the verse to know which one you were referencing. The bottom line is that this scripture will not convince us that the RCC is Christ's true church. You believe the rock was peter, we believe the Rock is Christ.
I wonder what Peter would say if he knew that the RCC claimed he was their first pope.
We'll have to wait until we get to heaven to ask him. ,-)
---Todd1 on 5/28/08

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Todd Samuel Elisabeth::Claiming to be the body of Christ is not Proof of the authenticity of that body.The certificate is Matt16:17-19 HIS WORD.HIS word says so.It is based on his Father who sent him to redeem the world From sin.Gen3:15The denoms or pop evangelicals created are NOT OF HIS origin no matter what claim Humanity may make.His inheritance is Heaven,but to partake of it one must prove worthy.HIS wayMatt5:48
---Emcee on 5/28/08

Good point Todd1 Being a member of a church does not make a person a christian. An old evangelist used to say walking into a church makes you a Christian like walking into a garage makes you a car.

We need to look to JESUS for ourselves. 2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
---Samuel on 5/28/08

Jack, I wouldn't presume to make a distinction that only God can make, as to who are "real Christians". Even a church that is closer to Biblical teachings than any other still has wolfs in sheeps clothing.

A church doesn't make a Christian, Christians make the church.

God has His people in every denomination for now.
---Todd1 on 5/27/08

Jack::Whats the difference?! Each ones conscience,which is the spirit of God and each individual CHOICE "NOT" in accord with The Almighty God, He wants "ONE FLOCK with HIM as the SHEPHERD "HIS WAY"" FOLLOW ME-BE LIKE ME - I AM - YOUR GOD. Matt16:16-19
---Emcee on 5/27/08

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Again, it is not all about the building."WE" are "the Body" of Christ, Jesus is "THE HEAD" and we are also the Temple of the Holy Spirit.We are spirit, we have a soul and we live in a "PHYSICAL BODY".This is why Jesus was born by the virgin Mary...He had to have a "PHYSICAL BODY" in order to operate on this planet earth!This is a requirement...
We are filled with the Holy Spirit and He goes wherever we go.
---Elisabeth on 5/27/08

Many main line protestants have forsaked the true Gospel for the social gospel and do not teach we must be Born Again.

Some are also watering down the gospel so sin is no longer sin. This depends on the Protestant church.
---Samuel on 5/27/08

Real Christians are the one's who follow Jesus,the Messiah,in Word and in deed.They are saved by the Word of God, "The Incorruptible Seed".They desire a personal relationship with God/Jesus/Holy Spirit.They walk in the Spirit, and they believe God and His Word...They believe every Word of God...They don't add or take away.They don't follow man's traditions...They follow the Truth,The Spirit of Truth!And they know that God's Word is Spirit,and they worship God in spirit and in Truth.
---Elisabeth on 5/27/08

Christians believe...

Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of my Heavenly Father, making intercession for me.

Jesus Christ shall return for me, because He has gone to prepare a place, and I anxiously await for His return.
---Rachel on 5/27/08

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Jack, glad to see you posted this question! ...I like Rachels response. I believe we can be more concerned with titles then with the real essence or heart, which God alone knows. Any group/organization may have true sheep, as well as false. Paul cautions us about being followers of Paul, or Appolos or_____. Eyes on Jesus, not an organization.
---Christina on 1/22/07

Ryan's statement,"**I have no stone building that I attend every sunday and denominations repulse me. The 'organization' I belong to did write the bible because the Father, Son and Spirit wrote the bible and I belong to their 'organization'.**" sums up the way I feel about this also.
---Mima on 1/21/07

Jack, I am in no violation of any commandment. If you are refering to the 'forsake not the assembling together', I have not abandoned any assembling I have brothers and sisters that I assemble with regularly we just do not do it in the 'pop-evangelical' format. We discuss and study scripture always seeking to edify one another and grow in truth.
---Ryan on 1/21/07

**I have no stone building that I attend every sunday and denominations repulse me. The 'organization' I belong to did write the bible because the Father, Son and Spirit wrote the bible and I belong to their 'organization'.**

That means you're Orthodox, but don't attend Church, despite the clear commandment in the Bible you claim you believe and obey.
---Jack on 1/21/07

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Part 2:

Ryan, you can be a member of an "organization" if you like.

I'm a member of the Orthodox Church that Jesus founded. It teaches the whole counsel of God, not like pop-evangelicalism and other forms of Christianity Lite.
---Jack on 1/21/07

Ryan: #3 I do disagree with Jack in that real Christians are not part of organizations such as:

"Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrians, and other Eastern Christians"**

Orthodox et al are the ONLY real Christians.

Protestants, pop-evangelicals, and such are merely adherents of Christianity Lite.
---Jack on 1/20/07

I believe the most credible difference is that true Christians base their belief and faith on the word of God, the Bible. The so called modern or new faith groups base their religion on Dockers, charisma, rock band music with godlike words, and feel good pep talks from the pulpit. Oh, and B I G screen T.V.s with B I G audio systems. 8^)
---mikefl on 1/20/07

the difference is in their understanding or interpretation of scripture. all are christian, but different expressions. if we look at them with open minds we might actually begin to see something that will move us into a new church age. THis is happening in many areas.
---Jared on 1/20/07

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Jack this one is hilarious:

Ryan, I doubt that you know a THING about Eastern Churches, but who do you think wrote the Bible you appeal to?

Hint: It's not the organization you belong to.
---Jack on 1/20/07

The 'organization' I belong to is the body of Christ. I have no stone building that I attend every sunday and denominations repulse me. The 'organization' I belong to did write the bible because the Father, Son and Spirit wrote the bible and I belong to their 'organization'.
---Ryan on 1/20/07

Real Christians are NOT Catholics. They are only a cult religion, and do NOT line up with the HOLY BIBLE in their doctrines. ONLY if your doctrines line up with the HOLY BIBLE, are you a REAL Christian.
---Leslie on 1/20/07

Alan, you're right.

I'm deliberately being procative and trying to get people to think.

And in my ministry of comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable, I'm letting some people know how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot and it's THEIR toes that are being pinched.
---Jack on 1/20/07

** Ryan: #3 I do disagree with Jack in that real Christians are not part of organizations such as:

"Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrians, and other Eastern Christians" **

Ryan, I doubt that you know a THING about Eastern Churches, but who do you think wrote the Bible you appeal to?

Hint: It's not the organization you belong to.
---Jack on 1/20/07

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Augusta, what are the scriptures that are missing? In sequence, lay it all out for us, clearly.

How about a 'real Christian' putting it down for us, so we can see the difference.
---Tim on 1/20/07

Ryan: #3 I do disagree with Jack in that real Christians are not part of organizations such as:

"Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrians, and other Eastern Christians"
---Ryan on 1/19/07 ***

Ryan, you're not only preaching to the choir but to the ones who wrote the hymnal. LOL
---augusta on 1/20/07

Turnabout is fair play.

The difference is what they believe, other than that we're mostly the same.

We all have children that misbehave and jobs that we go to, cars that break down, and a risen Christ.
---Pharisee on 1/20/07

#1 *I would agree with Rachel*

We all do. It's the Scriptures that were ommited from the list that's the issue.

And what's funny is, if the apostles were alive today and walked into a fundamentalist worship service they would think they were on another planet.
---augua9846 on 1/20/07

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Part II

4. Because of not using the classic creeds, is prey to spiritual faddism.

5. Is probably waiting for the non-existent pre-trib rapture.

6. Almost all pentecostals/charismatics are pop-evangelicals, but not all pop-evangelicals are pentecostals/charismatics.

7. In the USA confuses conservative politics and general cultural conservatism with Christianity.
---Jack on 1/19/07

** What is a pop-evangelical?**

What most people who participate on these blogs are.

BTW, while I thought I coined the term and was the only one who used it, I saw via a web search that others have used it as well.
---Jack on 1/19/07

A pop-evangelical:

1. Thinks other people are not saved if they don't use the accepted non-Biblical jargon and catch-phrases ("personal savior," "sin nature", "accept Christ," "age of accountability").

2. Probably goes to a megachurch, but also might go to an independent church.

3. Quotes slogans but is afraid of the traditional creeds.
---Jack on 1/19/07

Jack ... You are being provacative!!!
But I don't blame you, because so many here say have said Catholics can't be Christians. Mind you, bearing in mind the times you have been identified as being RCC, it seems not many here are even aware of the Orthodox churches, let alone the others you mention.
By the way, I am a protestant (CofE) but still regard those you list as being real Christians
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/19/07

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#1 I would agree with Rachel because she has used scripture to define what a Christian is. 'Pop-Evangelivals' as Jack likes to say (And I rather like this term) are the great apostasy spoken of in the bible or the great dellusion as spoken of in, I think, II Thessalonians.
---Ryan on 1/19/07

#2 They are as necessary as satan in God's plan. These same pop-evangelicals will be the same who say "Lord Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and perform many miracles in your name?" and the Lord will say to them, "Depart from me I never knew you, you who practice iniquities."
---Ryan on 1/19/07

#3 I do disagree with Jack in that real Christians are not part of organizations such as:

"Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrians, and other Eastern Christians"

Real Christians are those who have been called by the Father and have been chosen by the Son for the scriptural reasons that Rachel has shown.
---Ryan on 1/19/07

Christians believe...

Jesus is the light of the world and he that follows Him shall not walk in darkness - Rev. 12:11

We overcome with the blood of the Lamb and word of our testimony. We have the Word and we can defeat the enemy. God's power is greater than the devil.
---Rachel on 1/19/07

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Christians submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee. James 4:7

Christians believe in the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

Christians believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit

Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.

Christians believe and read the Word of God.
---Rachel on 1/19/07

Christians believe in renewing our minds with the Word of God, so that our minds will not side with our bodies against our spirit man. Rom. 12:1,2

Christians love God. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit
---Rachel on 1/19/07

jack,the heart,paul wrote there is no difference between anyone.they are either lost or saved.a personal relationship withjesus may not be a major point in some so called christian churches,but without it you probably aren,t saved and no signs of a changed life are evident in their lives,or their thinking,or how they relate with others.
---tom2 on 1/19/07

Philippians 3:3, "For we are the" saved, "which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."
---Bruce5656 on 1/19/07

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What is a pop-evangelical?
---Susie on 1/19/07


Accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior
Rom. 10:9-10

Forgive Others
Mark 11:25-26

Confess our sins
1John 1:9

Repent and renounce evil
Acts 19:18,19

Call on the Name of the Lord
Joel 2:32
---Rachel on 1/19/07

Christians believe.....

Jesus Christ is the living Son of God

Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, conceived
by the Holy Spirit of God

Jesus Christ walked this earth as God and Man

Jesus Christ died on the cross, shed His blood for me

Jesus Christ was buried, and was resurrected on the third day, victorious over sin,>
---Rachel on 1/19/07

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