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Is Moronism A Cult

I need to know is mormon truly a cult if so why? What are the reasons behind it and how it came into being and what are their general beliefs?

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Mormons and christians are not the same in the slightest. how can they be the same when they believe there is other gods besides jesus? they also consider a mere sinner JOSEPH SMITH to be the right hand man to God... he was nothing more than a thief and an adulterer. while jesus was a perfect man and a real savior
---andrew on 7/7/09


Mormonism is a sect of Christianity. They believe in Jesus, which is what is required to be Christian.

But for those of you who refuse to accept that--and I know there are a few who won't-- there's this: it's too big (nearly 5.7 million members just in the US) and too old (over 150 years) to be considered a cult.

So if you don't want to count it as a sect, at least count it as a religion of its own.
---Nancy on 11/12/07


Absolutely.
---dan on 11/12/07


One thing I do know for certain is that simply stating something as a "fact" certainly doesn't make it true.
---Tammy on 10/26/07
yes as when joseph said the Indians were from the lost tribe of israel and they have proven that false- now they are changing the Book of Mormon
4001 changes and they still follow him - a liar and adulterer
---Andrea on 11/12/07


I can't speak about the Temple ordinances, I have not been through the Temple, nor would I speak of them anyway - they are considered sacred. I do know that Joseph Smith was a mason and that there are certain things taken from Freemasonry in an effort to help members remember certain things. That's about all I can say. As far as comparisons to the Jewish Ordinances - again, I don't know. One thing I do know for certain is that simply stating something as a "fact" certainly doesn't make it true.
---Tammy on 10/26/07




2. In Revelation 22:18,19 - I believe that John is speaking specifically about the book of revelation - note he says "this book." The Bible is comprised of many books.

We believe that the following scriptures support the Book of Mormon:
Ezekial 37:16-21/ Isaiah 29:11-14 / Rev 14: 6,7
---Tammy on 10/26/07


3. "Scripture clearly says and we have repeatedly shared it with you, that Lucifer and Jesus are not brothers."

I have never seen this scripture that you say you have repeatedly share. We believe that we all existed before and that we are all brothers and sisters spiritually. We have shown scriptures such as Jeremiah 1:5,in which God tells Jeremiah that was ordained a prophet prior to his birth. Where was he - where were we?
---Tammy on 10/26/07


"Lucifer/Satan cannot create anything or reproduce after his own kind. He is a fallen spiritual being. He has no flesh or blood in his veins."

I'm not aware that the LDS have made such claims! We believe that Lucifer was once a highly regarded angel and that after he rebelled against God - he was cast out. Still, we do believe that all of us at one time lived with our Father in Heaven and that this indeed makes us all His children.
---Tammy on 10/26/07


"What you don't understand is Who Jesus Christ really is. He is God.
When He walked the earth, He was God and Man."

You are absolutely right - I do not believe that Jesus and God are the same person. I never did, I find that completely illogical. Who was God talking to in Gen 1:26,27? Himself? Why would Jesus pray to himself? I believe that God is the Father, Jesus is the Son. Two separate and distinct beings.
---Tammy on 10/26/07


1. II Thes 2:3 - Paul explains that before the second coming of Christ will occur, there will be a falling away from the Gospel.

Amos 8:11-12 also explains that there will be a famine in the land - not of bread or water but of hearing the words of the Lord.In Acts 3:19-21 we are told that Jesus will return to heaven until "the times of refreshing".The LDS believe that the times of refreshing have occurred - the Gospel has been restored through the prophet Joseph Smith.
---Tammy on 10/26/07




Here's another fact.

All the temple practices that you practice have nothing to do with the temple practices that the Jew follows. No similarity, no connection whatsoever.
They are taken from masonry practices, hodgepodged into the mormon religion and bring no Glory to God, whatsoever.
---Bob on 10/25/07


The Bible says that one day the heavens will be like brass.
All those following false doctrines, your prayers won't get above your head. The Lord will close His ears until you humble yourself, repent and submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Famines will ravish the land and only those who are in His hand will have food.
There will be a breaking of pride. Just when they think they're set, pride will be broken and cults will be powerless to stop it.
---Bob on 10/25/07


May that farce leave you.

Scripture clearly says and we have repeatedly shared it with you, that Lucifer and Jesus are not brothers. Physically and spiritually impossible, not one Scripture in the Bible to support that lie.

Lucifer was and is now a fallen angel.

What you don't understand is Who Jesus Christ really is. He is God.
When He walked the earth, He was God and Man.
---Bob on 10/25/07


Lucifer/Satan cannot create anything or reproduce after his own kind. He is a fallen spiritual being. He has no flesh or blood in his veins. Spiritual impossibility for him to be the brother of Jesus.

Not even God's angels can be called the brother of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God.
---Bob on 10/25/07


Read the last verse in Revelation.
Here's a fact, the Book of Mormon is not another testimony of Jesus Christ.
It's a false addition to God's Word, that's been added, which God forbids, and judgment will come to all those who wrote it and promote it. It's spiritual delusion that has blinded your eyes.
---Bob on 10/25/07


Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first...II Thes 2:3
---Bob on 10/25/07


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Asia, I found the anti mormon site you got your stats from and then did a little research on my own. The teen suicide rate is above the national average in the ENTIRE Rocky Mountain region, not just Utah. The wife beating stats placed Utah 16th (which is still too high). Utah is 70% LDS - not all of who are practicing. Not an excuse - just a fact. I couldn't find a child abuse number but I'll continue to research it. The Mormons are not and do not claim to be perfect. Actions by some do not condemn all.
---Tammy on 10/25/07


I find it interesting that the anti mormons can't use scripture to slam Mormons. The only thing they have are out of context quotes and half truths twisted into something perverse. The LDS are more than willing to support their beliefs with biblical scriptures but the other side can't seem to find the courage to give it a try...could it be because they fear an honest representation of truth?
---Tammy on 10/25/07


MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the state of Utah, which is predominately Mormon, has a higher than the national average of wife-beating, child abuse, and teenage suicide.
---asia on 10/25/07


...the soul, the mind of man, the immortal spirit. All men say God created it in the beginning. The very idea lessens man in my estimation, I do not believe the doctrine, I know better...I am going to tell of things more noble...

The mind of man is as immortal as God himself... God never did have power to create the spirit of man at all. Joseph Smith, , Vol. 5, p. 615, reprinted in History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 310-311
---caleb on 10/25/07


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We were begotten by our Father in Heaven, the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father, and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so on from generation to generation, from one heavenly world to another still more ancient...
LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, 1853, page 132

nothing even close to Christianity about this religion
---caleb on 10/25/07


The only "moronism" I see on this blog has nothing to do with Mormons.
---abigail on 10/24/07


authority comes from God and is given to those acting in His name, no one can take that honor until himself. to prove the point, Paul healed the sick by authority he was given. A man saw it and tried to cast out a demon. He failed. The demon said Jesus I know, Paul I know but who are you and almost killed him for acting without God's authority. the bible does not lie, men do. there are hundreds of scriptures stating you need authority. I guess we can throw them away because mima disagrees.
---lori on 10/24/07


Bill does this statement,"Unless you have been ordained and set apart by God, then you have no authority to even speak in generalities. It is just your simple opinions, and without authority that you write nonsense."
---Bill on 10/24/07
Agree with the fact that in Philippians
2:12, we are told to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling? Must we listen to an ordained person to do this?
---Mima on 10/24/07


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I can not believe how illogical all of you are that are slamming Mormons. Your reasoning lacks proper structure. Secondly, no one gives by what authority they claim to be right. Unless you have been ordained and set apart by God, then you have no authority to even speak in generalities. It is just your simple opinions, and without authority that you write nonsense.
---Bill on 10/24/07


Satan promised Eve she would be like god. LDS promises you will be god.
They are one and the same.
You may look holy on the outside but inside you are full of dead men's bones.
Murder polygamy incest are your heritage and you hold them up as a banner - you follow a false prophet that teaches your gods are from another planet -- it is not Christian
---Andrea on 10/17/07


Jesus said: why condemn those following him in righteousness. If you are not against him, you are for him. Funny how many ignor that scripture. when a question is asked, it is answered from the bible proving truth, not fiction many believe. instead of tearing down others, look inside yourself first and correct your spirit in truth. once you are perfect, then try to perfect others. All too often, many try to remove the mote in someone elses eye before they have removed the beam from their own.
---ashley on 7/9/07


Matthew from LA ... You should be able to progrme your computer to automaically fill the First Name box with "Matthew from LA" as soon as you type in "M"
Also to complete your email address
Them yo won't have to remember each time
---alan_of_UK on 7/8/07


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Cognitive Dissonance - Saying is Believing
Trying to justify two thoughts like, I am a Mormon and I am a Christian.
Fake it until you make it. Mormons bear their testimony once a month, if you say it long enough, you will begin to believe it.
It is too bad that believing doesn't make it true.
---BendOR on 7/8/07


Yes, "Moronism" is a cult..

I know a lot of morons. They are a cultic bunch ;)
---NurseRobert on 7/8/07


Alan, I really don't believe this was an accident. I've had my name used before for a means to make it look like I believe something I don't or am against someone I am not. Some who are desperate resort to that wickedness. However, for future Matthews I am gonna be more specific with my name and take your advice. I'm gonna try to remember to use "Matthew from LA" for now on.
---Matthew on 7/7/07


There thats better. =)
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/7/07


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Matthew ... the one who says he did not write all the posts by Matthew.
Why don't yuo give yourself a more specific name so you need not be confused with the others?
Try what I have done .. . ere are other Alans, but I am the only ......
---alan_of_UK on 7/7/07


Mathew: People love to mislead others. Marcia: have you read the bible. There are many scriptures that say we are sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father and we should be perfect as He is perfect. The reason many deny that is because they love satan more than God, even though they profess Jesus Christ on sunday's. Sad but true. Fact: no one here will inherit the celestial kingdom where the Father resides. Live with Jesus in the terrestial kingdom, Yes, many will be there.
---ashley on 7/7/07


Again none of these posts are by me.
---Matthew on 7/7/07


Baptist, Pentecostals, Methodist, and presbyterianism are all cults. They dont believe in the real Jesus. They teach lies. And are normally more eager to point out other churchs faults rather than looking at their own. At least mormon preachers work like nomal people. All of your preachers are making good money off you. Ha Ha.
---Matthew on 7/6/07


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Marcia, you may be right. Mormens may believe that. I dont know about mormons though. I know alot of mormons. They believe that we are children of God. That God is our father. If we are children then heirs to his kingdon. And that jesus created these kingdoms of heaven.
---Matthew on 7/6/07


John 14:2 "In my Fathers house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." Mormons believe they will always worship God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. No matter how much growth and profection are reached. Jesus never sinned, NEVER! Everyone else has,EVERONE. Big difference between the two.
---Matthew on 7/6/07


Again someone here is using my name, and that is ok. Persecution leads to rewards and blessings.

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.


I will rejoice in persecution for I do it for the Lord and for His testimony.
---Matthew on 7/6/07


Mormens believe that human beings can become gods and goddesses in the celestrial Kingdom according to,(History of the Church, Vol. 6, pg. 306; Doctrine & Covenants 132:20-21). This teaching contradicts Gods Word.
---Marcia on 7/6/07


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Are Protestants a cult. YES! Unlike them I will use the real definition. A religous leader with follers. Protestest are cults.
---Matthew on 7/6/07


(1) Mike, Interpretations of scientific evidence can differ greatly from one scientist to the next; therefore, in determining the credibility of any "expert," I consider things like one's motive, presuppositions and integrity.

So, when one like Mr. Thomas Murphy who is honest enough to admit that he has seen scientific evidence which convinces him something he has believed in and held so dear is "not true," I believe he's really seen such.
---tracy3346 on 5/31/07


(2) Conversely, supposed "scientists" such as those on some anti-fundamentalist vids, who insult my intelligence by claiming natural selection supports Atheism, clearly demonstrate how integrity is a foreign concept to them!

BTW, I was taken aback and angry because I thought you were trying to draw attention to the Atheist vids about evolution, but in retrospect, it's likely I misjudged your intent, Was it the "Jesus Camp" thing? If so, let's talk OK.
---tracy3346 on 5/31/07


(3) Regarding apologetics and throwing stones...
Joseph Smith claimed that God informed him all other churches were "wrong" and that "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight." Since Smith was the one who first attacked all other churches, Christians are simply responding to his charges. (cont.)
---tracy3346 on 5/31/07


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(4) Apologetics is basically "defending the faith," fundamental Christianity (those who believe in Bible infallibility) is attacked and mocked more than any other religion in the world; this necessitates apologetics sections in our bookstores.
---tracy3346 on 5/31/07


(5) On the other blog you said "fundamentalism is a threat to freedom."

I don't get that, because being a Christian "fundamentalist," I'm free to consider the doctrines of any denomination, or even join if I choose without being ostracized by my family, friends, or community. For many LDS, this is not the case.

Living in Utah, I had precious few Mormon friends who were allowed to socialize with me; I wasnt a "bad" kid, just not Mormon.
---tracy3346 on 5/31/07


1.Tracy; "Mormons themselves wrestling with scientific evidence" As to Mr. Murphy's conclusions the same science that 'confirms most native Americans as Asiatic' also confirms dNA blue printing. Human DNA has been 'blue-printed' back 20,000+ years, and that they came here during the ice age, You made it clear you reject evolution, and believe 'young earth.' To be credible one cannot accept science when is suits their purpose, and deny the same science when it does not.
---MikeM on 5/27/07


2. Tracy, your point about the 'anthropologist' is mute. One can find 'experts' to support anything. I do not know your education I Haploid DNA types, nor does it concern me.

You have a presupposition about my religion, thus someone, preferably an 'expert' must be found to give credence to a subjective presupposition. A relevant example exists; 'Experts' in anthropology, same education, using the Bible and science do promote vile racist rhetoric, I know, I have debated them.
---MikeM on 5/27/07


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3. Scientific experts can be found by atheist to 'disprove' the Bible, as well as scientific experts, evidence can be found to support the Bible. I believe in an ontological argument for God, that Akums Razor alone points to a Creator, In the end its personal belief, one I would not dogmatize.

In no way is the LDS religion 'struggling with scientific evidence,' If one says it Is , I say "bring it on."
---MikeM on 5/27/07


4.Tracy; you claim I am attacking. When one enters a fundamentalist book store there is always a large section called 'apologetics,' in which they sell scores of books attacking all other religions, including other Christians ones as 'cults.' When one enters the book stores of most other religions, such a section is absent. A real dialectic is both ways, that is when one disagrees with another faith, they must take what the toss, in the vernacular its about throwing stones and glass houses.
---MikeM on 5/27/07


(1) **Tracy suggested I look up some antiMormon vid's on Google.**
I suggested no such thing! The video I cited featured Mormons themselves wrestling with scientific evidence. I, in fact, have a great deal of respect for Thomas Murphy, (Mormon) Anthropologist and Scholar who, on the video, candidly admits that "archeology shows that The Book of Mormon is not true"; this must have been incredibly difficult, and I admire his courage and honesty.
---tracy3346 on 5/24/07


(2) I have nothing against Mormon people. I simply try to get them to see how they are involved in a cult.
BTW: If you would read "The Mormon Conspiracy" instead of automatically attacking it because you despise me, you would see how the Mormon elite have control over the Mormon people, and why.
At least I examine something before I comment on it.
---tracy3346 on 5/24/07


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(3) Mike, I've looked into your anti-fundamentalist sites and vids; and after viewing several which included at least 5 vids, and a couple chat sites, couldn't find ONE that says anything positive about God or ANYTHING in the Bible.
Every one I saw exists for the sole purpose of having a religious faith, God, and/or Bible bashing fest, from an Atheistic perspective.
---tracy3346 on 5/24/07


(4) I've seen "anti-Mormon" sites where people have left Mormonism rejecting all faith, and were nearly as bitter as the Atheists on the anti-fundamentalist sites; I would never refer anyone to either of these.

Unlike you Mike, I strongly believe in, love, and fear the God of the Bible, and it's not my intent to attack and deride a person's faith in Him.
---tracy3346 on 5/24/07


(5) While you claim to believe in God, you consistently attack people's faith in Him like a rabid Atheist, I have trouble viewing anything you say as credible.
Anyway, I'm not likely to persuade you, nor you me. So, all I can say to you is "We'll see."

Ashley: I dont have space to respond to your blogs right now, but if you'd like, you're welcome to contact me on "penpals" (tracy3346). If not, it's OK, I'll submit my replies later.
---tracy3346 on 5/24/07


You know MikeM. the bailer, that in the end, there's a great gulf that separates the Christian, followers of Christ, from those who have not accepted Jesus Christ. You're not following Christ, you've bailed. You've bailed for a counterfeit bible and a counterfeit facsimile of Jesus Christ.
---Marsha on 5/24/07


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people will only see what they want to see and believe. If a verse said Jesus replied unto them, Is it not written that you should never injest anything that altars your mind into your body. I guess many would ignore that one too and say oh he means that we should not take medicines that help us but it is all right to smoke pot or drink alcohol because they are not seen as harmful drugs. when things say it clearly, people ignore it, just like they do with everything else.
---ashley on 5/24/07


Mike. thank you for seeing the same things I saw when it was investigated. you wrote it differently from me, but the meaning is the same. I agree. there are 21 books mentioned in the bible, but not included. add too nor take from does apply to Revelations only. as in exodus, we have many other books after that was written so people deceive themselves to say it applies to the whole canon.
---ashley on 5/24/07


Livermore. I agree, many christians won't be in the kingdom of God. 99 percent of them profess God with their lips, but their hearts are far from him. Many believe in false doctrines, they are saved regardless what they do in life, deny the resurrection repentence and judgment. many know it is wrong to sin, but do it anyways thinking God will ignor what they do and forgive them anyways. They indulge in every evil under the sun, but they are saved, yeah right.
---ashley on 5/24/07


Mormonism is a good match for MikeM. If the culture changes, LDS ratchet the BOM down a few notches, tighten the bolts, so the flywheel does come through the clutch housing.
Now, when you get to heaven, you'll get your additional wives. I can guarantee, you won't find your former Christian girlfriend waiting for you. Hopefully, you won't be on your computer typing heretical prose about the Christians when your end comes. You could forget to call your wife by her new name and leave her here.
---Livermore_CA on 5/24/07


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What if two different people simultaneously claim that the H.G. has told them something, both reading the same Bible. How are we to discern which one heard the truth? Do you only look to the Bible, when different books in it clash? Get where I'm going with this?
---MikeM on 5/24/07


John 10, Jesus said is it not written I said ye are Gods. people like to ignore that one, your interpretation of John 10:34-35 is incorrect as opposed to mine.
Besides, how does one make an entire doctrine from any single Bible passage?

Example; " slaves be obedient to your masters" Furthermore fundamentalist lean on a string of verses to support the trinity, sola scriptora, origonal sin, and other man made doctrines.
---MikeM on 5/24/07


Several major doctrines are not in the Bible that fundamentalist believe, Again, I emphasize that sola scriptora is man made, Luther, yet he later rejected it, as he rejected peter3,4 and Jude. Now I'll show where in the Bible where sola scriptora is taught against, as the Bible quote a dozen other books, ones no longer in the Bible due to mans hands.

Jude 14

Book of EDDO another epistly to corinth, and many other, clearly referenced in the Bible, as scripture
---MikeM on 5/24/07


" Canon was codified BEFORE 220 AD" History 101 Te 4 gospels were suggeted by Ireanious in 180AD, It was not until Athasanaious in 367 wrote a letter giving the 37 books of the NT codified status. From 100 AD until aroud 300AD therew was much confusion about exactly scripture was, over 100 books were offered as scripture.

It was the politics of the roman Church that defined the NT. Clearly an apostacy was taking place, as Paul and others predicted.
---MikeM on 5/24/07


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Rev22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy...That refers to the unique Book of Revelations, as fromExodus 10, where it says do not add, but we seem to have more test after Exodus-
---MikeM on 5/24/07


4-there are many doctrines unique to the church that are ignored by others, why? because we believe Jesus Christ was resurrected and the heavens are not closed. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. from the beginning of time, he spoke through his prophets. We believe that still applies and the church is the only one on the planet with a prophet and twelve apostles guiding it under the direction of Jesus Christ himself.
---ashley on 5/24/07


4-the Book of Mormon came forth in the last days not to be ridiculed and mocked, but to prove to the world that Jesus is the Christ and disprove many false doctrines satan had taught people for centuries. only one third of the plates were translated. the rest will come forth when God wants it to, not man. Once they are revealed, it will be interesting to see what the other two thirds of the plates contain. I am sure that it will clarify the plan of salvation beyond a shadow of a doubt.
---ashley on 5/24/07


observer wants credible sources. ok. catholicism archives as one. there are many sources that say the five books were added long after the origional canon of the bible was assembled. look up Wikipedia for one. books of the bible, chronological order. the bible was assembled for convenience, not order of being written. the gospels, 1 and 2 cor. were grouped, 1 and 2 John, 1 and 2 Peter, etc. revelations was placed last for a reason. it is the apocalypse or wrath of God.
---ashley on 5/24/07


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tracy: I did answer your question, but two of my blogs were not posted, who knows why. I noticed you quoted many scriptures from the O.T. which are written by prophets before Jesus was born. Jesus is the God of the O.T. If you go by the N.T. which is Jesus in the flesh, you will see not many of those now apply. one God, why pray to His father, why say we need to be perfect as HIS father is perfect. that is why He said all things in the O.T. were fulfilled through Him.
---ashley on 5/24/07


2-2 people pray. one person listens to the spirit. the other lives in evil and doesn't know the voice of the H.G. the H.G. cannot dwell in unholy temples. they both pray for an answer. one wants to know in sincerity, the other goes through the motions. which one do you think God will answer. James said pray in faith, nothing wavering. to many times people go through the motions and couldn't care less. they will only hear what they have all ready answered themselves in their mind. why bother asking God.
---ashley on 5/24/07


3- John 10 A whole doctrine is not built on one passage. there are many scriptures saying the same thing as John only not as bluntly as that. We are offspring of God, Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven. We existed before the world was created. We have all the traits of our Father, the same way as your son or daughter has your traits. Was Jesus not resurrected. He has a body of flesh and bone, immortal. If ye have seen me, ye have seen my Father, because he is HIS son.
---ashley on 5/24/07


(1) **the H.G is the bearer of truth and cannot lie.**
Ashley, What if two different people simultaneously claim that the H.G. has told them something; yet what they heard clashes; how are we to discern which one heard the truth? Do you look to the Bible, BoM, D&C, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham etc.? What do you do when these writings clash? Do you pray about it? What if two different people pray........ Get where I'm going with this?
---tracy3346 on 5/23/07


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(2) **John 10, Jesus said is it not written I said ye are Gods. people like to ignore that one.**
LDS interpretation of John 10:34-35 is incorrect.
Besides, how does one make an entire doctrine from any single Bible passage such as John 10:34-35? Furthermore, how is it you lean on only 1 passage in John yet ignore 2 whole chapters of the same gospel (1 & 14)?!?
---tracy3346 on 5/23/07


(3) Anyway, you didnt answer my ?.. That's OK. Truth is, those 3 major LDS doctrines are neither taught in the Bible nor the BoM. Again, I emphasize that the BoM, claims to contain "the fullness of the everlasting gospel."
Now I'll show where in the Bible they are taught AGAINST ...
---tracy3346 on 5/23/07


(4)
1. Exo 34:14; Deut 5:7-9.
2. Psa 50:21; Num 23:19; Hos 11:9; Rom 1 :22-23; Psa 90:2.
3. Isa 43:10-11; Mal 3:6; I Sam 15:29; John 1:1, 14; Heb 1:12 & 13:8; Jam 1:17; Tit 1:2.

There are 12 more basic teachings, unique to Mormonism, which are not found in the BoM, and are also taught against in the Bible. Why do LDS promote the Bible & BoM when most of their doctrines aren't taught in either?
---tracy3346 on 5/23/07


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