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Steal From God With Tithes

Read Malachi 3:8-9. You steal from God when you do NOT tithe, and put a curse on your finances. Comments?

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I love yall.
Abraham and Jacob were the first to tithe in the bible and they were not instructed by God to do so, nor did it state they made a habit. God made it mandatory and agricultural to care for the levites and Aaron. Tithing now was part of the law at this point for the levites, widows, fatherless, poor and you. Mark 5:17-18. The law has been fullfilled by Jesus. Let us give from our purposed hearts now. The malachi curse was for the levites not the people. Read the whole book. The windows of heaven produce rain literally, for crops. All that agricultural stuff that the bible spoke of in malachi was not a metaphor. I love yall.
---Brian on 9/23/09


You have to define "tithe". In the OT, it was food only and never money. In all liklihood it only came from people who delt in food like farmers and herders. It was only paid to Levites and widows and orphans. It was a form of tax. A full 1/3 of the tithes went to the poor, widows, and orphans. Name a church that does that today and I would be suprised. We rely on our government to fulfill that obligation today. I can see why the curse would apply back then if people were not being fed. God cares about the poor and that has not changed. My reading of scripture indicates the freewill offering applies today when it comes to money.
---obewan on 11/19/08


Susie>>"we will continue..."

"there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."(Prob.14:12)

Sometimes, even if we think we are doing the right thing but it is not what God wants us to do, our actions is not pleasing to God.

But let's follow your argument...

The exact practice of tithing done by the Levites is: after the tithes of Israel is given to the Levites, "you shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a TENTH part of the tithe."(Num.18,26)

A tenth of the tenth is a heaved offering for the Lord -- meaning it will be burnt as an offering for the Lord.

Does your pastor do that, after they have collected your tithes?
---manny on 11/18/08


Chris. Your post is so sad and unnecessary. You will do well to read psalms 34. Many are the afflictions of the righteous but God delivers us from them all. Paying tithes does not exempt one from troubles and trials. Get real and ask God to deliver you from this blindness. Giving is a blessing and sharing what we have with others is also. But we should be careful how we give. If it is done to show off or to receive recognition from our pastors or others. Even our giving will not be blessed. Know the truth and the truth will make you free.
---Robyn on 11/8/08


Malacni 3:8-0 in in the Old Testament and under the law. Here is a statement I found concerning the law"When you covenant with God to keep one of the 613 ordinances of Jewish Law, you make yourself a debtor to keep ALL the others as well (Gal. 5:3). When preachers teach people out in the pew that they must keep the Law of Moses or any part of it, theyre bringing their people under a curse. No one was ever justified (made righteous) through keeping the Law, but by faith only (Gal. 3:11). Comments?
---mima on 11/8/08




You can say all you want about tithes not being necessary today. But, we will continue to give tithes and offerings generously as you can never outgive God. He has always blessed us abundantly, not just financially, but with a multitude of friends and people who need our help daily. And, Jesus DID NOT become our curse. He died on the cross for our sins. He did not become sin. He carried our sins to the cross.
---Susie on 11/7/08


Heb. 7:11-12. The law made tithing compulsory because of the Levitical priesthood. Because of a better sacrifice(Jesus), the priesthood was changed and of necessity, a change of the law also. Read the whole chapter.
The instrcutions given to the church are to give as the Lord instructs you. Not out of compulsion but of a willing heart with gladness.
---john on 9/6/07


They rob God of His honour, of that which is devoted to Him, to be employed to His service, of themselves, of Sabbath time, of which support of religion, of estates. It is in tithes and offerings. [not offerings God required] For this they were cursed with a curse.
---catherine on 3/4/07


You often found within churches that teach tithing the belief that if you do not tithe, God the big bully in the sky will do something to enforce His protection racket.

I never have did the tithe as there is virtually nothing in the Bible that commands Christians to tithe, the only thing I can find is that we are to give in accordance to how we are blessed. And God has continually blessed me and the ministries He has called me into.
---lee on 3/2/07


LOL Amen Carla!!! You got that right!!! Really I was angry, but then I settled down, and had peace about it... BECAUSE.... I robbed God like a stone cold bank robber. It was dew me. lol I take the consequences with peace. lol you are funny. thanks you made my night!
---Chria on 3/2/07




There have been times I couldn't pay my tithes. I didn't do it deliberately as one said, because I didn't have the money. I got a spiritual beating from God. And these verses in Mt 6:30-34 came to me. As from now on, I make sure I pay my tithes.
---Rebecca_D on 3/1/07


LOL are you really saying God Bless them or did you think, (anger! anger! anger!) Then a still small voice said Guess what you did wrong and spent your tithes why be angry!. Then you thought you know what? GOD BLESS THEM :I I did once and felt awful afterwards, It Happends.
---Carla5754 on 3/1/07


I deliberately did not tythe for the last two weeks. Last night someone(s) shattered my car window and tried to steal my stereo.

I have for the most part been a tyther and have never had this happen. I have heard of people in my neighborhood being robbed...

BUT LAST NIGHT SOMEONE BROKE INTO MY CAR!!!

God bless them
---Chris on 3/1/07


Jana: I'd like to correspond with you by e-mail. Could you post me? Madison1101
---Madia3794 on 2/14/07


3) Abuse in any form, and for any reason is flat-out wrong. Can you imagine the same Jesus who took children on his lap abusing sincere adults asking legitimate questions?

Can you imagine the same Jesus who stopped when the bleeding (11 years) woman touched his robe, giving a scolding because he had to stop his agenda?

They made you feel condemned, but Christ does not do that; when you confess all to him, you feel cleaned, not dirty or worthless
---John_T on 2/13/07


2) Look at Thomas. In John 20:25, he says, I want to see for myself I will not believe. Eight days later, Jesus says to him, without anger or rebuke, Thomas, poke your hand into my side where the spear pierced me, poke your finger into my nail holes

Thomas was not condemned for asking a legitimate question; his belief in Christ depended on the answer, and Jesus provided the proof he needed. Did your church leaders do that, Jana?
---John_T on 2/13/07


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1) Jana, you have no idea how deeply your response affected me yesterday. My impression is that you are an abused woman, and you are angry with me due to the verbal beating you got on Saturday because you dared to ask questions.

Neither you, nor me are to blame for your abusive church leaders; be assured that their actions are not hidden from God, for they shall not escape just condemnation.

Do you think Jesus would act as they did if you asked him a legitimate question?
---John_T on 2/13/07


4) That is the reason I offered to send to you those FREE resources if you could not download them. I notice that you are an inquiring person, but you should not be afraid to learn things of God from other sources than your leaders. (Please todays reply to DePuTy about books)

When you ignore the works of others, you make gods of your leaders, saying that only they have valid answers.

Above all DO NOT BE INTIMITATED. Thats how Islam wins converts. John7768
---John_T on 2/12/07


3) Certainly, it is not an answer a good shepherd gives to a lamb, seeking answers. And thus it is one reason I am at odds with the SDAs. That seems to be the pattern here; Lee noticed it also. Do you think that the purpose of worshipping God is so that you can spew venom on Monday? Did Jesus win people to him by cursing them, telling them of punishment?

Why should that be different with his church?
---John_T on 2/12/07


2) However, that is not my main concern about you. I guess that you may have asked someone on Saturday about the Qs I presented. Your post is vicious, and I guess that you got the same sort of vicious attack whenever you asked your leaders the same Qs.

Thus I ask if that is a proper response for a parent to a child, or would Jesus turn in a similar way and bite you for an honest question?
---John_T on 2/12/07


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1) Jana, your personal attack: You steal from God mate... and your willingness to have me punished your going 2 suffer 4 it and u wont know which way it will come at u. is unwarranted. Nor did I attempt to have you stumble.

I stated a principle from Scripture that demonstrated that your assumption that tithing is a commandment is without merit from Malachi. That is an intellectual argument; some leader attacked you for asking a Q, and that is not good.
---John_T on 2/12/07


john T u seem 2 have a bee in your pants for SDAs. The bible states about the tithe brother, not the SDAs. You steal from God mate, your going 2 suffer 4 it and u wont know which way it will come at u. What's God's returns 2 God. He doesnt need it, He's testing us to be obedient. It seems most r disobedient and dont wnat 2 give back what is rightfully God's
---jana on 2/12/07


There are many out there who are filthy rich and aren't Christians and don't tithe. If you truly wish to tithe. Give it to a honest and good ministry that teaches the truth of the Word. One that doesn't use guilt to try to get money. Or better yet, get some sponsors on the Christian children's fund.
---Matthew on 2/12/07


The CROSS was ONLY for salvation. It did away with animal sacrifice, NOT the 10 Commandments or the tithing laws. These are still in effect, and your finances WILL be cursed if you do NOT tithe. It it clear, that the ones that don't believe that you should tithe, want to be cursed in their finances, and they are the ones that are more than likely broke, in debt, in poverty, or on welefare.
---Leslie on 2/11/07


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I totally agree with that. I know when I don't pay tithes, my finances are all out of wack and can't afford to pay nothing. When I pay my tithes, things go better. I'm not rich but I'm not scrapping for money either.
---Rebecca_D on 2/10/07


Catherine, I do tithe. I am opposed to the corruption on the intent, and the corruption in application which is now in Christ. If the belief structure is corrupted, all the actions or works in the world will not correct it.
---jhonny on 2/6/07


."fallacious exegesis"

Time for the old dictionary again!!!!

---Susie on 1/31/07

JUST CAUGHT IT!
exegesis: Critical explanation or analysis, especially of a text, in this case, Bible.

fallacious: wrong

Therefore the SDAs here try to make a commandment that is UNSUPPORTABLE from the original Hebrew language in Malachi.

(are you a blonde???) hee hee
---John_T on 2/5/07


#3 Leslie, My confusion is what you are saying is not supported by scripture by any stretch of the immagination. If nations are nothing to GOd, Isaiah 40:17, than what interest would He have in their currency?
---Ryan on 2/4/07


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Leslie, **(1) Tithe (10% of EVERY paycheck), (2) offering (above and beyond the tithe), (3) First fruit (First portion of money of God's choice at the first of the year) - this is what made Abel's offering to God better than Cain's, (4) Third year tithe (a tithe off of the total amount of money in the bank every third year), (5) Amms giving (giving a special gift to help the poor).**

My greatest confusion with what you are saying is where to find these things in scripture.
---Ryan on 2/4/07


#2 Leslie, Mosaic law never spoke of tithing from a paycheck, so where do you get that from? In fact I have never found money associated with any of the following: Tithe, offerings, first fruit & third year tithe. As a matter of fact the only references to money being given are: When God told Moses to ask Israel to GIVE for the construction of the tent of meeting, alms, the shekel of the sanctuary & Pauls collection for the Church at Jerusalem.
---Ryan on 2/4/07


Why don't we do what is right and tithe. Now, we know it all belongs to God. Can we not agree on that? You own nothing.
---CATHERINE on 2/4/07


Leslie I think this is a great quote from you. "In tithing, God is NOT wanting our money, but our heart and faithfulness."
Nevertheless, to use this as idea that tithing today is not about money would lack honesty. It's always about money.
---jhonny on 2/4/07


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First ALL money belongs to God. How do you get it to God - give to the poor (Matthew 25: 35-46). Second Read Luke 14:25-35 - The cost of being a follower (disciple) of Jesus is to give up EVERYTHING, and die to yourself. This is NOT heresey, but what Jesus said we must do, or we can NOT be called a TRUE follower. It IS clear that MOST of you do NOT love Jesus, or are NOT greatful for what He did on the cross - it was NOT enough to you.
---Leslie on 2/4/07


There are five types of giving which are still in effect today - they are ALL separate, but VITAL to get you to the wealthy place. (1) Tithe (10% of EVERY paycheck), (2) offering (above and beyond the tithe), (3) First fruit (First portion of money of God's choice at the first of the year) - this is what made Abel's offering to God better than Cain's, (4) Third year tithe (a tithe off of the total amount of money in the bank every third year), (5) Amms giving (giving a special gift to help the poor).
---Leslie on 2/4/07


Leslie: Parable of the unprofitable servant.
All that he had was taken away from him, which was one talent. Why, because he didn't tithe?
He "projected" his own bad nature, and baclward condition of faith onto God. He ascribed to God his own "poverty" of character.
It's about reaping, sowing, strawing and gathering;-Effort. Does God likes to get things for nothing? No. God said, you're the free-loader, and you could have been smarter at it, if...
---jhonny on 2/4/07


John, tithing only for Jews, incorrect. Tithing to rich guys also incorrect. People love their men at the top, giving to a poor guy just doesn't get you "up the ladder". It lacks that certain notariety.
---jhonny on 2/4/07


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Observer, the organized bodies, blindly devoted to the party. Heretics. They project onto others, and impose burdens. . The "hairesis" of the saducees. Acts 5:17,
The "hairesis" of the Pharisees. Acts 15:5,
The "hairesis" of the Nazerenes. Acts 24:7,
The word means the "act of taking capture". The bondage makers and their slave plans are the "heretics". We are called to freedom. "Projection" is an old trick.
---jhonny on 2/4/07


Leslie you bring up the rich man, to make your argument for tithes. The rich man was asked to give up all that he had for one thing, and another to give it all to the poor.
Would a tithe collecting operation suggest you give all your tithe to the poor. No they would not. They want your money. Now God asks for a tithe, and you wish to oblidge, well giving it to those rich guys. Is that giving it to God? Where's the switch?
---jhonny on 2/4/07


Leslie, fair argument. You talk about giving 10% to God, but are you not giving it to a man who has convinced you he is worthy to take your tithe. Where did the switch take place, from God to a man. It's money, money, money. Which man do you recommend should receive one's tithe. Do you keep the year of release? Do you follow the prinicple applied every third year. How many tithes are there, really. Do offerings come from your tithes? Can you give it to your family? They can run you around.
---jhonny on 2/3/07


Leslie: In order to become a TRUE follower of Christ. (Disciple), you MUST... Are you willing to pay?

SENTIMENTAL HERESY!
---Observer on 2/3/07


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In Mark 10:17-25, the rich man did NOT want to depart from him money. Jesus was testing him to see where his heart and faithness were, and if he was telling the truth about keeping all the 10 Commandments. He failed this test. He broke the first 2 Commandments which deal with idolatry (his money was his god). He also was excited about inheriting eternal life, but was NOT willing to pay the price necessary to gain it. His heart and faithness where in his money, NOT Heaven.
---Leslie on 2/3/07


In tithing, God is NOT wanting our money, but our heart and faithfulness. Through the rich man, God shows us what His Kingdom is like (give to recieve, become last to be first, up is down and down is up). God says that if we are faithful in the little, He will make us rulers over much. You MUST be willing to let go of that 10% before God can bless you with more. He is limited by our actions.
---Leslie on 2/3/07


The rich man was asked to give ALL he had, in order to gain eternal life. He thought the price was too high to pay, and was NOT willing to pay it. He may have gained the world that day, but he also lost his soul. Are we like the rich man? Do we think that giving 10% is too high a price, when God gave us His everything. If so, you are not a TRUE follower of God, but a rich man. All God asks is 10%, and we get 90%, and then He gives the 10% back with a little on top.
---Leslie on 2/3/07


In order to become a TRUE follower of Christ (Disciple), you MUST be willing to give everything. Salvation is FREE, but following Christ will cost everything. Are you willing to pay?
---Leslie on 2/3/07


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Jesus told us in the N.T. to Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's (government), and unto God what is God's (tithe). This is very much a N.T. theme. The cross was meant for Salvation purposes ONLY, and did NOT end certain O.T. laws such as the 10 Commandments or Tithing. These ARE VERY relevant for today.
---Leslie on 2/3/07


Here's an instruction from the new tesatament. Lu 16:9 "And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations."
---jhonny on 2/3/07


Melinda, Christ our tithe???He gave His life 4 us, gosh, what more do u want from Him when He has willingly died 4u? ARent u even going 2 help His cause, help the poor, huricane victims etc etc thru tithe? U must be a non christian who only takes but never give. C'mon friends, give willingly 4 Christ.
---jana on 2/3/07


I was shocked to read so many blogs against tithing! I beleive it is speaking to Jews and Gentiles but if not does it matter? I don't serve the God of money I serve the God who spoke the world into existence. Why not give to the body of Christ? Why not give until it hurts? My God will meet all of needs.I tithe. Not to be blessed financially or otherwise. I tithe out of obedience. Sometimes it hurts but I suspect so did the crown of thorns.
---tradedfate on 2/3/07


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Did you learn how to raise the dead?
---Observer on 2/2/07


Leslie & Jana, What part of my 1/31 post did you NOT understand?

To make it a commandment is fallacious reading.
IT IS NOT A COMMANDMENT

Many people are unable to read the original Biblical languages, that is the reason for seminaries, so they have to be told what the words plus the grammar mean, or read good commentaries. There is NO language that has exact word-for-word equivalancy with English
---John_T on 2/2/07


Thank you, jhonny. I appreciate your sweet comment. May GOD ALMIGHTY in the name of JESUS bless you richly. Lets keep on loving our SAVIOR.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07


Please! I tithed. You know what happened? I lost my husband to another woman and my home! We are gentile believers. We are not subject to the tithe, only jews(natural). We are to give to help the poor. That is true religion. We are not commanded to tithe in the new testament(contract). We are asked to be cheerful givers. Jesus came to fulfill the law. He is our tithe! Shalom Melinda
---melinda on 2/2/07


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Malachi deals with the nation. The blessings promised were upon the nation. Christ has expanded the law. Catherine you made a good point, "10% is not enough. God does so much for us." How much does God want,-10%? The answer is: Everything you've got. Rm 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."
---jhonny on 2/1/07


Some of us r so selfish on this site..2selfish to even acknowlege what Christ did 4all mankind. Can we ever payback what Christ did 4 us? NO. So give willingly n dont be so downright selfish. Give as Christ did of Himself there on the cross. What a selfish undeserved of Christ twerps we have around.
---jana on 2/1/07


Leslie, please answer this one, very simple, question. According to Mosaic law what are the items that were to be tithed? (Hint: you'll find the answer in the very last chapter of Leviticus)
---Ryan on 2/1/07


First, God has promised financial blessing to all that tithe (Malachi 3:10-12) - Test God that He will open the floodgates of Heaven and pour out such a blessing that you cannot contain it. Second, Jesus was never poor, He just lived like He was - He is God and has ownership of all things, if He was poor then how was He able to travel to places to preach and do miracles?
---Leslie on 2/1/07


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Third, God wants us to be wealty, so we can bless others and minister His Word throughout the World - how can we take care of others and go to all the world without money? Money is NOT evil, just the love of it (if money becomes your god). Forth, when Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then for a rich man to enter into Heaven, Jesus was talking about TRUE salvation and Discipleship, NOT money! The rich man was not willing to part with his money (tithe).
---Leslie on 2/1/07


God's way of doing things is different than ours. In God's world you MUST give before you can recieve. If you do not give (tithe), God can NOT get anything back to you. He is our business partner (only wants 10%), but will give it back with more on top. God does NOT want our money because He needs it, He wants our money, because YOU need it. This IS Biblical.
---Leslie on 2/1/07


When you read scripture, you must read all around it. The scripture used was Mark 10:24-25, but look at the verses above those Mark 10:17-22. This man had made money his god, and was not willing to part with it, when asked by Jesus to give it up in order to inherit eternal life. Are you like this rich man, who will NOT depart from your money in order to gain more and abundant life?
---Leslie on 2/1/07


Mal2:1, "And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2 If ye will not hear,...to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea,...because ye do not lay it to heart."
8 "...ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts."
"...ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."
---jhonny on 2/1/07


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Projection is an old trick. Difficult to detect. What you do is take your undesirable impulse or sin and project it as an attachment onto someone else. Thereby your own anxiety is lessened and you have made a kind of attonement and everybody's happy. We call it being "slimed". Applied to tithing, the deceit has made them rich.
---jhonny on 2/1/07


Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
---scripture on 2/1/07


Leslie, it is the methods and beliefs applied to tithing. Not one jot or title shall pass from the law. What does it mean, to take your 10%, and give it away to some other man in another country, or even your own country. What priesthood are you acknowledging?
---jhonny on 2/1/07


Leslie. If Jesus did tithe I could see why. He was still abiding in the Levitical priesthood. But He never taught it to the church because He abolished all those ceremonial and sacrificial laws including circumcision, holy days, the sabbath, and yes, even tithing according to Heb. 7.
Also, these laws were only given to the Jews and not the Gentiles so we were never asked to tithe in the first place.
---john on 2/1/07


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#1 Leslie, your statement is suprising in many different regards but the most blatant is:

Mat 19:23 And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
---Ryan on 2/1/07


#2 Leslie, According to what you are saying if you tithe God will providee growth in your income, Why would God put wealth in front of you when He says it is an obstacle? Your staements imply that if you tithe God will bless you financialy. This could not be further from the truth and is based on anecdotal evidence.
---Ryan on 2/1/07


#3 Leslie, As children of God He will take care of us and we should be thankful that we have a roof over our heads and food in our mouths. There is no promise from God that if you tithe He will increase your finances. Monetary wealth is an hindrance to entering the kingdom of Heaven. As Christians we do not tithe and expect to be blessed; we give freely because we are blessed. YOur statements on 1/31/07 are not biblical.
---Ryan on 2/1/07


"Jesus tithed"? Please show the Scripture for this.
The operation of the New Testament started at the death of the testator, not in Matt. 1. Thus, there is no command for tithing in the New testament.
---john on 2/1/07


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10% is not enough. God does so much for us. Do you have a warm house? Do you have a warm bed at night? DO you have a full stomach? Even better than that, do you have Jesus? Does He comfort you. Does HE keep you from being lonely? GET together with God find out if 10% is enough. If it is, fine.
---CATHERINE on 1/31/07


For ALL who think that tithing is not N.T. - Jesus tithed. This is God's money, NOT yours. How many of you are in debt, on welfare, broke, or poor? If you have any of the above, it is because you rob from God in your tithe, and a curse has been put on your finances. Alot of O.T. scripture still applies today (after the cross) - tithing and the 10 Commandments are just two of the many.
---Leslie on 1/31/07


CHALLANGE - Write down the amount of money you have in your bank account NOW. Then give your tithe (10%) of every check at work, gift, and allowance for a year. Then after that year, write down the total amount of money in your account. See if it is not MORE (- to 0, 0 to +, + to more +). I want you to be blessed. If this does not work, and it WILL, you can email me to tell me so.
---Leslie on 1/31/07


"fallacious exegesis"

Time for the old dictionary again!!!!
---Susie on 1/31/07


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David, Abram did not tithe of his personal wealth. To attempt to estabilsh a tithing practice on Abram's tithe to Milchesidec is, at best, ignorance of scripture and, at worst, intentionally deceitful.
---Ryan on 1/31/07


The writer of the question (as well as the legalists and SDAs) misunderstand the subjunctive mood of Hebrew.

This is also called horatory conjunctive and it is conditional tense, for example (Sheyavo) "Let him come" or "May he come" (literally, "That-(he)-will-come")

Thus to make it a commandment is fallacious exegesis.
IT IS NOT A COMMANDMENT
---John_T on 1/31/07


I cannot speak for other people, but God reminds me of my tithes and my offerings. THERE has been time or two when He let me slide a month. YES, it was GOD.
---CATHERINE on 1/31/07


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