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A couple gets behind in their bills. Does God want them to pay their bills up to date or tithe without paying them up to date?

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I was reading these blogs about tithing. I know that it is right to do so. I ask for your prayers that I will tithe again..my husband is against it, but I know better. I really don't want the wrath of my husband..and I sure could use prayers. Also, I am sick with a nodule on my right lung. Would anyone who believes in healing be willing to pray for my healing also?
---Terri on 11/25/08


God's Favor is truly better than money, Prov.12:2. that trip to the grocery store with not enough money, and a stranger buys what you couldn't, a bill mysteriously getting paid, getting a job with not all the job requirements, someone walking up giving you money, that you don't know. These are all examples of God's divine favor, when we obey Him and sacrifice and give what we have, we are blessed. The tithe is just 10% out of 100, just $10, whether it tis required or not, don't we owe God so much more? If we were to fall sick and not be able to work, who would we depend on? The reality is if we have stregnth to go to work, an able body, don't we owe God all the credit. Leave the politics alone, just tithe because it's right.
---Addie on 11/20/08


The tithe (10%) was commanded by God to the people in the Old Testament times. We, under the New Testament provision of God's grace, are not commanded to give 10%. However, in Malachi, God tells us to try him, to test him, and see that He WILL absolutely 'bless our socks off'! Why should we be giving less than those to whom God required a tithe? We don't have to, but... whatever happened to WANT to, because we love God and trust God...
---Ed on 11/20/08


One Sunday my wife and I felt compelled after a Lifeway lesson touched on the subject to start tithing. Before then we couldn't imagine living without that 10%. Now we couldn't imagine living with it. Its a faith thing not a prosperity thing. The truth is, we, in this materialistic society, are not faithful with what God gives us. We shop at the name brand grocery store instead of the Save-a-ton. We shop at the mall instead of goodwill. We prefer Kreaft over generic. The truth is, if we were more faithful with what He gives us, in addition to tithing, He will more than bless us. Spiritually and monetarily.
---Sean on 11/19/08


I personally know this young Evangelist. He and his wife had paid their bills but had come to "tithe or eat for the next week". This was a hard decision to make for a family with four young children. The Evangelist decided they would tithe and trust God. They went to church and never mentioned their hardship to anybody, not even their parents. They didn't go out to lunch with anybody but went home to empty cupboards. When they opened the door to their kitchen, there on the table and counters was a months worth of groceries. The point is, God already knew their need and had sent someone to the store before they even commited to do the right thing. It's a faith thing. Do you really believe? You can actually live by faith and believe.
---Sean on 11/19/08




StrongAxe-

I didn't WANT to sue this person. She HAD been a good friend (but she had become harder to contact, as her debt to me increased) It wasn't just the financial loss that hurt, but also the thought that she valued our "friendship" so little. AND that she gave such a poor testimony to my non-Christian family member! I comitted my finacial need to the Lord.

My family member DID, however, bring suit against her and had her stripped of her business license. The judge put her on "probation" until she paid her other debts. I got my money and felt that further discipline by the church would make it even harder for her to recover.
---Donna66 on 11/19/08


Addie, the point I am trying to make to you is this, if we are not under the Law, who do you fell people are obligated to pay tithes?
---Rob on 11/19/08


Donna66:

If this "Christian" cheated you, Matthew 18 gives a biblical procedure for escalation. You talk to him to resolve it. If that fails, bring a few friends with you. If that fails, bring it to the attention of his church elders. If he still won't listen to theim, treat him as an unbeliever (since he obviously isn't following Christ's teachings, nor the disipline of his own church), and then you should be free to sue him in the secular world, since he has rejected the discipline of the sacred world.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/08


Rob, the scriptures you wrote support me, the Law is supported by works. When we become saved we put our trust in Jesus and our now justified with Christ, we are in sense NOT GUILTY. We don't trust in the Law, for our righteousness, but put our total faith in God, and through grace we are forgiven.vs 16Gal.2ch-knowing that man is not justified by the WORKS of the law, but by FAITH in Jesus Christ! Understand that everybody has their own interpretation of the scriptures but it takes wisdom and the Holy Spirit to unfold the word to you! The statures of the law are the same, just not the method. We as christians do not do those things, and if we do mess up, we have an advocate in Jesus.
---Addie on 11/19/08


Addie, please take time to read and study the following scriptures.

Galatians 2:15-21

Acts Chapter 15

Rmans 10:5

Galatians 3:1-14

Colossians 2:13-14
---Rob on 11/18/08




I've been in the difficult position of trying to explain to a family member WHY I would not take a Christian to court, who was long over-due paying me rental fees.

It was embarrassing, because my family member was not a Christian and had been cheated by this same person, the owner of a "Christian" Business.. Besides, I really needed the money to pay MY own expenses.

I don't believe the Father wants people to tithe when they cannot meet their obligations to others and to their family. Settle you debts, cut your expenses, then tithe.
---Donna66 on 11/17/08


Rob, im sorry i said ron the last time this is directed at you. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus said not to follow the law? In the scripture i previously stated, Jesus didn't take away the law. Find one that He said we don't have to follow it! the law was under works, my dear brother, Jesus died we are now under grace, that means no animals have to be sacrificed = Jesus paid it all= He fulfilled the Law. This has nothing to do with tithing, the bible as a whole we follow/whether we think it is right or not. Because God dosent change like people do. Look at the 10 commandments, do we follow those as christians? the only difference is now we have Jesus and our sins are forgiven us, and our lives are hidden in Christ not about works.
---Addie on 11/17/08


God promised to take care of our needs, not our wants. If you spend more then you make and have none left for God, that makes you a foolish servant. The door may be shut with your lamp out of oil. Watch out for easy believeism, the gospels do not preach that variation.
---Jack on 11/17/08


2Corinthians 9:6-8 speaks of being a giver. People God does not change His word, He is the same yesterday, today and forevermore. Tell me this, do we live only by the new testement now? No Jesus did not come to abolish the law ,but to fullfill it Matt5:17, that means He died for you and me so thus no sacrifices need to made. Do you commit fornication,or steal,lie or put other things before God,it would't be christian like would it? The law was under works, if you broke the law you paid, the law was fulfilled because He died for all of our sins, we are under grace now. He paid, for us! So all scripture is profitable for us as believers from Gen-Revl.
---Addie on 11/17/08


Addie, the principle of tithing was given to the Jews.

We are now under the new convaent and are no longer under the law.

If there is anywhere in the New Testament that tells us we are ti tithe, please tell me where it is, because I sure can't find anything.
---Rob on 11/17/08


I believe that you should tithe first, because if you do it with a cheerful heart, surely the Lord will bless you enough to help you pay off the bills.
---Patricia on 11/17/08


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Opalgal: I agree with you wholeheartedly, and have experienced this first hand for myself. The tenth(tithe)is to be given to God, no questions off top. Ron- your scriptures don't support you at all,Acts is about someone trying to purchase the Holy Spirit, not about the tithe. Read Gen28:22,Lev:27:32,Is6:13 more importantly Mal2:8-12 we are blessed for tithing and cursed if we don't, so to the christian that's in doubt about tithing, whether you work or get benifits, Don't you know God blessed you to get that, or your health and stregnth to work: we owe God so much more, why shouldn't we give a tenth? If He supplies our every need!
---Addie on 11/17/08


Opalgal, you are caught up in the lies and deception of Satan and his servants, Romans 1:18-32, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, and 2 Peter Chapter Two.

What you wrote goes against what is written in Acts 8:20-24.
---Rob on 11/16/08


its not supposed to be an either / or.

just paying bills wont bring financial increase.
while tything properly will bring financial increase.

God wants people to tythe so they can pay their bills.
---opalgal on 11/15/08


remember widows mites
she put in 2 cents but for her it was more than anyone else thithed for it was all she had
God knows your heart Keep the Faith and Thithe what you have
keep your eyes on God for He knows you have needs to live(house, food, clothes, ...) and it is His Good Pleasure to provide these needs just continue to Love God and seek God 1st and all these things will be added unto you
a sister in Christ
---Caroline on 11/15/08


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Tithing is only commanded of the malachites. We are to give. We can give bountinfully or sparingly. The choice is yours. Titing was not mentioned for the church but for the Malachites as a commandment. You give what you can.

If you don't pay your bills you are thief and a liar. You agreed to a service or brough something on credit. Then you not pay your bills, is lying and backing up on your word. This is in no way honoring GOD.
---Travis_Walker on 5/14/08


I still say: pay bills first with the money God has provided. I would put aside a good offering,first. I would not forget to do that. Look at this. If you do not pay your bills, you will soon find yourself outdoors.You can believe this: your church won't be there to bail you out when the eviction notice arrive. Especially your pastor.
---Robyn on 4/12/08


ron yes you must tythe first and God will supply all your needs acording to His riches in glory, do not forget to tythe first,Malachi 3 v 8, i do and my fridge freezer is always full and my bills are all paid, praise His wonderful name amen,
---ron on 3/27/08


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Hebrews 3:1, 4:14 describes Christ as the High Priest now

Heb 7 describes Christ as the High Priest as all things were for Melchizedek it is now for Christ nothing has changed other than who is the High Priest ...tithes are in effect today for the work of spreading the gospel, and Robyn used II Cor. 9:7-9 to explain tithing today ...there isnt anything in the NT that abandons tithing
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


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gayla, I am in the Holy Spirit, and I am in the right Spirit: but you are not in the Holy Spirit with me, instead you are outside and of no part of my body.
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Eloy
for once you are right ...Gayla is not part of YOUR body ...if Christian, Gayla (like all Christians) is part of the body of Christ ...Christ gives gift of salvation - not you
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


.gayla, I am in the Holy Spirit, and I am in the right Spirit: but you are not in the Holy Spirit with me, instead you are outside and of no part of my body.
---Eloy on 3/17/08


.rebeccad, you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 3/17/08


rebeccad, When God walked into the Temple and witnessed the parishoners pressured into giving their money for the church offering and pressured into buying their sacrifices for church, and he also seen those taking the money from the poor in his own house, he became furious to the point of making a whip and beating them all out of his holy temple, including the selfish Minister! whom was entrusted to feed his sheep, and not fleece them.
---Eloy on 3/17/08


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Eloy.... you are in the wrong spirit.
---Gayla on 3/15/08


Eloy: You don't want to argue because you know that I am right and you have no proof to back up any of your statements. Again you are not understanding these verses. In Matthew 21:10-13, Mark 11:15-17, John 2:13-16 says the same that people were in the Tabernacle (church) selling merchandise and that made Jesus mad and drove them out and told them he would not let them make the Tabernacle a house of merchandise. CONT,
---Rebecca_D on 3/15/08


Eloy, continue: Anyone that boasts on how much money they have or have given to God, are in the wrong. And God doesn't get any glory from a person that boasts on how much they give to the church. You need to read those verses again and again. When you do you will find that Christ didn't get mad because people were paying tithes, he got mad because people made the Father's house a money marketing place. Nothing to do with tithes.
---Rebecca_D on 3/15/08


pt.1: The Lord God says: "But woe to you Ministers, because you all take tithes...and pass by the discernment and the love of God, these befits to do and them not to leave aside. Is it not written, My house will be called of all nations The house of prayer? but you all have made it a den of robbers." Lk.11:42+ Mk.11:17.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


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pt.2: "All their wickedness in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more. And having made a whip out of green stems he drove out all them out of the Temple, and the firstling sheep and them bullocks and the money-chargers, pouring out the coins and overturning the tables." Ho.9:15+ Jn.2:15.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


.rebeccad, I preach my Lord's truth as he tells me, I do not argue.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


tithing is sin, and all whom partake of it are driven out from God's grace.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


Jesus told a parable about two men that went up into the temple to pray. One was a Minister whom boasted that he gave tithes of all that he possessed, and the other was a worldly man whom sincerely begged God for mercy. Jesus said the repentant one went down to his house justified, but the tither whom exalted himself received nothing from God.
---Eloy on 3/14/08


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Gordon:

Unfortunately, a lot of people have to make hard decisions about whether to do away with luxurious "extras" like rent or mortdage payments, food, water, electricity, gas to get to work, etc.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/08


I believe that God would want you to give what you can give. But, take care of your bills first. If you are tithing, this is under the old Law of Moses. If you are going to "tithe", then you should follow the Law of Moses all the way. Such as giving a portion of everything you own. A portion of the equity of your house, car, garden, herds, etc. Tithing is no longer necessary to be under the New Testamentlaw of Christ.
---Stacy on 3/13/08


Christians are instructed to give, not tithe.
---Ryan_Z on 3/13/08


GOD wants His people to Tithe. If the couple really wants to obey the LORD, the LORD YAHUVEH will make a way for them to both Tithe AND pay their bills. But, they're more than likely going to have to do without some, or ALL, of the little "extras" of comfort and entertainment, and other things that they really can do without. It's not EASY. But, bills must be paid, and, even more, GOD must be FIRST. Regardless! If it wasn't for GOD, you wouldn't have ANYTHING. You wouldn't even EXIST!
---Gordon on 3/13/08


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scott:

As Christians, we are just stewards of everything we have. God doesn't own 10% of it, he owns all of it.

Or did your church sing that famous hymn:

"I surrender one tenth.
I surrender one tenth.
One tenth to thee, my blessed savior,
I surender one tenth!"
---StrongAxe on 3/13/08


Give to God first and he will take care of you and your family. Give to God what's first not what is leftover. If he came to dinner at your house, you would serve him before you would your own family. God needs to be #1 in everything you do. He doesn't come first he doesn't come at all. God is tired of being a umbrella and just getting him out when it rains.
---Rebecca_D on 3/12/08


Eloy: I'm in sin? I gave you scriptures that shows tithing is not a sin. And you still want to argue with the word? I will believe God's word, and yes it is my desire to read and believe his word. You gave no scriptures backing up your statement. You just took verses out of context and put your own words in. It isn't a sin to tithe.
---Rebecca_D on 3/12/08


I have done a lot of stewardship training. Tithing is a wonderful Christian practice, but the responsibility to supporting the essential needs of the family unit always take precedence. Take care of you family first and give God what you can when you can afford to do so. There are may thing you can give to God that are not monetary and you my be rich in these ares and you my be able to give from these resources.
---Phil_the_Elder on 3/12/08


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.rerbeccad, you are in sin, and you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 3/12/08


Jesus didn't drive the people out of the temple because they were paying tithes, he drove them out because they was selling things inside the temple, using the temple (church) as a marketing profit. If a person is feel led to pay their tithes then so be it. A person can't go wrong by obeying the Holy Ghost that is within them. What I do, is not the same as other people.
---Rebecca_D on 3/11/08


frances008, I preach God's word, which is truth and accurate. Please Read- Hosea 9:15+ Mark 11:15-18+ John 2:13-16.
---Eloy on 3/11/08


our tithe is not a bill it is something that belongs to god already read malichai chapter 3
---scott on 3/10/08


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MikeHow, What kinda question is that? I don't pay my bills, I have them discharged by using Federal Reserve Notes (NOT lawful money by the way) just as you would do.

I am messing with you because of the meaning of WORDS. I give seminars on this type of thing and find it very interesting.

As for tithe, God wants ALL of you, not just a fraction. Jesus paid the bond and now owns us. Did not He say, give unto God what is His?
---Dr.Rich on 3/10/08


Eloy: I continue to hold my same opinions as well. You be blessed in the Holy Ghost. I don't intend to argue this point any longer. I was not addressing you in the beginning. You have a free will as I do. I will continue to be a giver. And a cheerful one, at that.
---Robyn on 3/10/08


Eloy, putting in quotes means you are copying from some source, would you mind giving us the reference so that we can check for accuracy?
---frances008 on 3/10/08


.robyn, I reject your words: I will not slow down, I am always and at all times led by the Holy Ghost, I am Commanded to preach, and I do preach, and I obey God. And whenever someone is professing falsehood I will come against it with the truth and in the power of the Holy Ghost. No, not even a thought of slowing down, backing down, or shuting up. I suggest you hear the words I post, for they will bring great blessing to all whom will receive them. And if God is for me, then whom can be against me?
---Eloy on 3/8/08


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Eloy: Why so many posts to me? I never agreed or disagreed with tithing. So what is your point? I said tithing is voluntary not mandatory. You did not understand the point I was making. Please slow down and be led by the Spirit. We as Christians are so quick to attack others.We need to learn to listen before attack.I am basically saying the same things you are saying.I give in the church and at every opportunity that I can,ok.I don't necessarily tithe anymore.
---Robyn on 3/7/08


.robyn, I think it is interesting that the Old Testament said that people were robbers of God when they withheld paying tithes and offerings, but Jesus says in the New Testament that those you require the tithe are the real robbers of God who turn the Father's house of prayer into a den of robbers.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.robyn, Tithing is abolished old testament custom, which Christ drove out of the temple. God is not ten percent, and all whom participate it this activity place themselves under the curse. When a person needs my help, I minister God's grace to that soul freely without requiring 10 percent nor any money from them.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.robyn, Jesus told a parable about two men that went up into the temple to pray. One was a Minister whom boasted that he gave tithes of all that he possessed, and the other was a worldly man whom sincerely begged God for mercy. Jesus said the repentant one went down to his house justified, but the tither whom exalted himself received nothing from God.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


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.robyn, I keep verses in context and according to the subject. When anyone uses money to buy God's grace, as tithing, it is sin. Have you forgotten how Jesus made a whip and beat the people driving them out of his temple? He said they were robbers. God says: "All their wickedness in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more." Continue the tithe, and you will never be accepted into God's kingdom.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.robyn, the truth from the Lord Jesus in the New Law says, that all whom require the tithe have turned the Father's house of prayer into a den of robbers, and all whom pay the tithe put themselves under the curse, and the Lord will drive them out of his temple.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


.robyn, Ministers should be more concerned about the people's souls rather than lining their purses and bank accounts. "But woe to you Ministers, because you all take tithes of the mint and the rue and every plant, and pass by the discernment and the love of God, these befits to do and them not to leave aside." Luke 11:42.
---Eloy on 3/7/08


Eloy, In Acts 8, Simon thought that he had to pay money to receive the Holy Ghost. So he offered Peter and John money so they could lay hands on him and he'd receive the Holy Ghost. Peter told Simon that his heart wasn't right with God because he thought that the Holy Ghost could be bought for a price. That isn't saying that if a person pays their tithes that they are trying to buy God. You are taking that verse out of context. CONT,
---Rebecca_D on 3/6/08


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Eloy CONT: If a person pays their tithes they are not cursing themselves by no means. If a person thinks they can buy God or receiving the Holy Ghost, then those verses apply to them. I pay tithes to my church because I am lead by God to do so. By paying tithes a person is helping the church pay for the utilities. What you said is wrong because you took the verses out of context.
---Rebecca_D on 3/6/08


It is a blessing to be able to pay your bills. God has already provided for you because you have the money. Tithing is voluntary not mandatory. I would pay my bills and also put something aside to give in the offering at church. God loves a cheerful giver. I don't give to get back. I give with no strings attached.
---Robyn on 3/6/08


to Dr. Rich - so where did you get your money to pay your bills? you do not answer when you are confronted with your sin!
---mikehow on 3/6/08


It all depends. On what God tells you to do. Are you willing to pray, listen, and obey? You may quote scripture. But I am telling you that God has a very separate plan for each of our lives.
---catherine on 3/6/08


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If a person tithes, they have chosen to be cursed. "Your money perish with you, because you have thought that the gift of God can be bought with money. For I perceive that you are in the gall of bitterness, and the bondage of sin."
---Eloy on 3/6/08


If a person tithes, they have chosen to be cursed. "Your money perish with you, because you have thought that the gift of God can be bought with money. For I perceive that you are in the gall of bitterness, and the bondage of sin."
---Eloy on 3/6/08


Tithing is an insult to God's priceless grace, and all whom are deceived by it are driven out of his presence and thrown out of his Kingdom.
---Eloy on 3/6/08


Debbie: Have you ever thought about blessings from God isn't always worldly? But spiritual blessings? I'd much rather have a spiritual blessing rather than a worldy blessing. Cindy: Just because your mom buys all of these things, doesn't mean she is spirituly blessed. Sounds like she is more worldy blessed with money than anything.
---Rebecca_D on 3/5/08


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If a person tithes GOD will provide for them.I have had this proved to me.Not that GOD has to prove anything but HE says if you will try HIM HE will prove it.A young man owed me a large sum of money he wouldn't pay.I paid my tithe anyway thinking I might have to fast for 2 weeks.The young man immediately paid all he owed me.
---shirley on 3/5/08


Pharisees said it was OK to give money (i.e. to God) instead of helping your parents (something the Bible commands).

Jesus said this puts traditions of men above the commands of God.

Some say you should give money to God instead of paying debts (that the Bible commands) .

By the same reasoning, this is also rubbish.

God doesn't want your money - he wants your obedience. How would he feel if you robbed a bank and gave the money to the church?
---StrongAxe on 3/5/08


My parents pay cash or they don't buy, period. Houses, vehicles, everything.
Consequently, my mother always has something to give her church and to any child she wants to.

My mom is blessed. Blessings flow back to my mother from the Lord in surprising and unexpected ways. Mama never gives to get, she keeps on giving and doesn't tally up the amount she's given over all of these years.
She leads by example, she's one of my heroes.
---Cindy on 3/5/08


Debbie: It isn't God's job to pay our bills. He didn't make them, we did. Just because you pay your tithes, doesn't mean that God owes you anything. You don't give to get back. God gets no honor or glory out of that. God does provide for his own. But we must first help ourselves. Bottom line don't live beyond your means. Alot of people gets themselves in debt then expect God to pay for them.
---Rebecca_D on 3/5/08


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Mama, mom, mother is the sweetest person I know, and everyone agrees. They love her.

She goes out of her way to give where God tells her to give. She sends birthday cards to poor children with money. She buys presents for kids, galore. I'm forever taking her to the P.O. to send out presents.
---Cindy on 3/5/08


The reason this is happening is because you were giving to get.
That is the essence of the prosperity gospel.

Prosperity and purpose people will tell it's because you were giving to rotten ground and that may very well be true.
---Cindy on 3/5/08


Prosperity and purpose people will teach you about your finances.
False prophets will demand 10% of your income.
You can give until until it hurts, the cows aren't coming home and chickens will not roost.
Now then, it has given you cause to stumble and question God.

God did not tell you to do this, but prosperity purpose people will.
---Cindy on 3/5/08




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