Samuel, the Pope is the Bishop of Rome, not the Roman Bishop.
I am not sure what you are trying to convey to me? I hope this helps.
The Council of Laodicea,360, produced a list of books similar to today's canon. This was one of the Church's earliest decisions on a canon.
Pope Damasus, 366-384, in his Decree, listed the books of today's canon.
The Council of Rome, 382, was the forum which prompted Pope Damasus' Decree.
The Council of Hippo, a local north Africa council of bishops created the list of the Old and New Testament books in 393 which is the same as the Roman Catholic list today.-- Paul Flanagan and Robert Schihl. Catholic Biblical Apologetics |
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---Nicole on 8/27/08 |
Exd 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth,
Exd 20:5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them..Since many bow down to images of what they consider to be in heaven.---Samuel
Who are the many?
If God intended for no craven images, why did He commanded them to make two images of angels?
Explain Exodus 37:7 Two Cherubim of beaten gold were made for the two ends of the propitiatory, one cherub fastened at one end.,
The 1st states have no god before Him.
Making statues isn't a sin.
Worshipping them is the sin.
No need to extend 1 into 2.
They are the same. |
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---Nicole on 8/28/08 |
Paul, you can believe what you are teached or what you want but the fact remains that God does not mummer and gives the same commandment twice.---Mark_V. on 8/27/08
Yes, God didn't give the same commandment twice.
So why did Luther?
Why are you following Luther's odd version?
Exodus 37 has God telling the people to make angels out of Gold.
What's this?
Not only did He force them to disobey your 2nd Commandment, He told them to use the must valuable metal they had.
Gold.
Gold is fit for a King.
But, the Jewish people were not dumb.
They knew the images of the angels were not for worship.
As the Catholic knows the statues are not for worship as well. |
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---Nicole on 8/28/08 |
I think some of you do not know our custom.
If I brought 2 statues of Mary.
One statue the Priest blessed with praying, using He Priestly Office.
The other I didn't have it blessed.
Let's say one day both of the statues broke.
One set of pieces of the statue I would throw into the trash. The other I would bury the pieces of the blessed one underneath the ground.
Why? Why is one statue treated differently?
Because, of the Priestly Blessing that came from God. God blessed the Statue, so tossing it into the trash is saying God's blessing is worthless.
Statues are just objects. But, anything blessed by God is giving more respect because of God's blessings, not of the statue's image. |
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---Nicole on 8/28/08 |
The Stations of the Cross has it substances from the Bible
(Where?) Start from the scene after the Last Supper, until His Resurrection.
Do you know the 14th Stations of the Cross? I will list them if it helps.
The station of the Cross is a Tradition that came from the Disciple who took Mary into His Home - John.
(Gospel of Barnabas according to the History Channel.)
No, the tradition came from Mary through John.
Remember, they were the only two there.
Everyone else fled.
As I said before, be careful with the History Channel. They lie.
Nothing as a memory device and No.
---Samuel on 8/27/08
Well watch the movie. It is beautiful.
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---Nicole on 8/27/08 |
MarkV, is God confused or are you? Is God forgetful?
Your made up 2nd Comm is not what God gave Moses. Your 2nd one is making God out to be a liar.
Idol means worshipping a fake god. You can't make God, you have to make an idol with the intention of worshipping it.
Making craven images in itself isn't sinful.
It is all in the motive/intention.
Explain Exodus 37:7 Two Cherubim of beaten gold were made for the two ends of the propitiatory, one cherub fastened at one end., the other at the other end,..The cherubim had their wings spread out above,..They were turned toward each other, but with their faces looking toward the propitiatory.
A lot of details from God in forcing the Jews to sinned against your 2nd Comm. |
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---Nicole on 8/27/08 |
Protestants and Jews number the commandments the same. They read the same in all Bibles. The RCC number theirs in their catachism different. The main reason seems to be that a full reading of the commandment on idols could cause problems. As when the Iconoclasts took over the councils and threw out graven images. Latter they were restored.
Exd 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth,
Exd 20:5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. ...
Since many bow down to images of what they consider to be in heaven it could be a problem. |
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---Samuel on 8/27/08 |
Nicole
(Your Bible only has 4 Gospels. Thanks to the RCC.)
The Church council made the Decision when there were many popes it was a nickname for Bishops and the Roman Bishop did not even get to go. Does not sound like the RCC
(The Stations of the Cross has it substances from the Bible)
Where?
(The station of the Cross is a Tradition that came from the Disciple who took Mary into His Home - John. )
As stated in the Gospel of Barnabas according to the History Channel. It is the source of the tradition. The Gospel was thrown out but the RCC kept the tradition.
(Exactly, what is wrong with the Stations of the Cross?
Did you watch the movie the Passion?)
Nothing as a memory device and No. |
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---Samuel on 8/27/08 |
Paul, you can believe what you are teached or what you want but the fact remains that God does not mummer and gives the same commandment twice. After God had delievered Israel from bondage in Egypt He said to the Israelites, "You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape whether formed like a man or a woman" Deut. 4:15-16.
In other words, God didn't appear as an idol of any kind. God told them He was spirit, and His displeasure was when people made Him into a idol. To worship God through a medium is to engage in Idolatry. |
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---Mark_V. on 8/27/08 |
No mark~
The people Moses led gave up on God and made there own god because they lost hope in the God of Abraham. They made there own god to worship.
The Pope is not God. or a substitute for God the real deal. I think most Catholics know this. |
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---paul on 8/26/08 |
Scripture: "Come, make us gods who will go before us" Exodus 32:1. Aaron made an idol cast in the shape of a calf, then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Eygpt" v. 4. What had the people done? They had made an image that was meant to represent God. Since they knew it was God who brought them out of Eygpt. They were not trying to create a new god, but rather, to represent in an image the God who had set them free. They were not worshipping a pagan god from Egypt, but God their deliverer. And the fact that they had reduced God to a sacred image. To worship God through a medium of a sacred image is to engage in Idolatry. The RCC removed the second commandment to permit Idolatry. |
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---Mark_V. on 8/25/08 |
The Second Commandment was included in the Old Testament scriptures. Commandment 1 is not the same as 2. The first talks about not having other gods. The second is talking about making the One true God into an sacred image. God has not been slow to express His opposition to the use of sacred images. He prohibited images because they cannot convey who God is. No image of Jesus, no matter how magnifient it is, can capture the nature of the Lord. God's displeasure at being represented in the form of a sacred image marks the darker moments in Israel's history. Moses was gone for a long time on Mount Sinai, and "When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said," |
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---Mark_V. on 8/25/08 |
Well, he's really the Pope.
He's really the Bishop of Rome.
He's really the Sovereign of the State of Vatican City.
He's really all these and other things.
Other than that, I don't know what you mean by "real deal." Do you? |
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---katavasia on 8/25/08 |
Catholics call the Pope the "Holy Father". The Bible warns against this and says that you have one Father and that's God in heaven. We are all sons and daughters of God. None of us are better than the rest. The Catholics follow what they call Apostolic Succession which started with Peter. The Bible never says to do this. Follow what the Holy Spirit tells you, not another man. |
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---Paul on 8/24/08 |
Nicole ... Non Catholic versions have ! & 2 separate, and your 9 & 10 together
By the way, "Alan" is not me
---Alan_of_UK on 8/21/08
I am so sorry!
I will be more careful. |
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---Nicole on 8/22/08 |
Alan-not o Dale?:-It is astonishing how you arrived at 888 & 666 being representative of what you claim.The classification you state is well known as the deceiver, who has been trying 'to prevail on the Gates of Christs church' same as you do here without adequate Biblical proof.I refrain to attribute you with a nomenclature which would put me on the same level.But since you know the Mark 666 you also know its significance.Politeness dosent cost a cent so I leave the rest unsaid. |
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---MIC on 8/21/08 |
Nicole ... Non Catholic versions have ! & 2 separate, and your 9 & 10 together
By the way, "Alan" is not me |
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---Alan_of_UK on 8/21/08 |
The Pope claims to be both God the Father, the Mediator between God and man (which is one of Christ's roles)
---Alan on 8/5/08
Alan, it isn't nice to lie.
Since I know that no Pope claimed to be God, I can conclude that you are lying.
But, if you have proofs showing any of the 265 different Popes claiming to be God and the RCC agreed, I will denouce the Roman Catholic Church today!
First, lets go by fair rules.
Show me from the official writings of the RCC, which is The RCC Catechism.
Not, a some book written by Pastor Bob or Joe. Or any Catholic or ex-Catholic Priest or Nun writings. We have idiots in our Church as well. |
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---Nicole on 8/5/08 |
Alan of UK:The 10C's quoted is from the OT in Deutronomy,5 :8.This was in the days when people were worshiping idols and anything that they thought represented a powerful source, as their God due to Ignorance.The Birth of a new era was heralded by Jesus Christ,the Veil of the temple was rent in two.Jesus established His kingdom as declared in the OT.Men were wiser no more Idols.but in its place were other invisible (idols) dangers of Lust greed power, Superiority, wealth,FALSE CHURCHES.These are the idols of today. |
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---MIC on 8/5/08 |
Sounds like a car salesman. The Pope has well been classed, from the time of the Reformation which brought Christianity back into the life of this world, as Antichrist. This scholars have all agreed upon and upon firm foundations. The Pope claims to be both God the Father, the Mediator between God and man (which is one of Christ's roles), and to speak as from God, being infallible (which is the role of the Holy Ghost. In short, the Pope claims to be the trinity on earth. As the number 8 8 8 represents God Almighty in unity, as 8 is His number, mans number is 6, being created on the sixth day. 6 6 6 is the trinity of man and who claims to be a triune man? The Popes of Rome |
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---Alan on 8/5/08 |
Alan_of_UK, I believe U listed the 10 correctly. 1 and 2 are the same.
If your wife gives you 10 rules for your marriages, and she states
1. Do not have an affair.
2. Do not sleep with Asian women.
3. Cut the grass and etc.
Isn't #1 and #2 the same? #2 is included in #1 I don't think your wife cares about the color of the skin.
She want U not sleep with no women or men. Anyone beside your wife.
Not all body actions is worshipping.
When you stand in court as the Judge walks in- is this worshipping? Do you really thing people in Japan, bowing to get others are worshipping each other?
#9 and #10? My Deut 5:21 has Wife first and separated from property.
Does the KJV have wife mixed within properties? |
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---Nicole on 8/4/08 |
The Word of God is infallible. The Bible warns in Revelation that if anyone add or take away any word from God's Word, all the plagues mention therein would fall upon them. The Bible states those who are washed by the blood of Jesus are a"Royal Priesthood"!! Everyone in the body of Christ is such. The Pope is a mere man with no more higher standing than any other believer. In fact so much Catholic doctrine is bondage. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is as simple as His garments and teachings he spoke to the world. The garments, collars, gold altars, statues, gowns, headgear etc...is so far from the simplicity of having a relationship with God. Obedience is greater than sacrifice.!! Read God's Word and apply it with your heart. |
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---Robert on 8/4/08 |
Nicole
The KJV has the commandments as I listed them
No 10 includes both neighbours wife and goods, and no 2 is the one about graven images, which the RCC does not include.
One of them must surely be wrong.
Protestants will say that RCC omit no 2 about graven images because they want to have idols, and have split no 10 inot 2 to make up the number.
Presumably RCC claims that Protestants have added no 2 and are wrong to do so?
We needa scholar in the original texts to see what the original said!! |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/4/08 |
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Having no god before Me is the same thing as do not bow or worship anyone or thing besides Me.
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if it's really the "same thing" then the Great Creator of ALL who is God Almighty called these out individually because he's inept and rcc is holier then HIM in their own blinded eyes
which do you serve God or religious systems
choosing God and His Holy Word not the opinion of rcc and their word play on HIS HOLY WORD
God isn't stupid but rcc sure likes to make their subjects think He is
remember God is a jealous God HE spelled out seperatly for a reason ...one who submits their mind and will to a pope could never understand |
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---Rhonda on 8/4/08 |
God wrote the Ten Commandments, not the RCC.---Mark_V.
You stated correctly by mistake.
God wrote the Commandments, and the RCC knows better not to change His Commandments.
Your list changed the Words of God. Not us. Same Scriptures Sources Exodus and Deut. Same Verses.
The only difference is that you expanded the 1st Commandment into 2 Commandments.
Having no god before Me is the same thing as do not bow or worship anyone or thing besides Me.
Here is the difference: God separate Wife from property in 9 and 10.
Luther know he could not have 11 Commandments, so he changed it around. He even placed Wife after a property - house.
Now, why are you following Luther's 10 and not God's 10? |
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---Nicole on 8/4/08 |
God,s holy ten commandments.,...
You shall have (NO OTHER GODS)before me
You shall not make unto thee any graven image to worship it
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
Honor the sabbath day and keep it holy
Honor your Father and Mother
You shall not kill
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witnesss against your nieghbor
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
Who does the catholic church think they are to change God,s commandments?Only God can do this, and He hasn,t. |
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---Irene on 8/4/08 |
Deut 5:6-21 I am the Lord your God, You shall not have strange Gods before me.
You shall not covet yur neighbor's wife.
You shall not covet your neighbor's good.--Nicole
Deut5:6-21 I am the Lord your God, You shall not have strange Gods before me.
Thou shalt not make any graven image,or bow down to them
You shall not covet your neighbour's house..nor his wife nor anyhting that is thy neighbours.--alanUK
Thank you for your listing.
Same. Except yours expanded on the 1st into 2 Commandments as if they are different?
Look at your 9 and 10. Deut 5:21, 2 combined.
As if a wife is in the same catergory as his' property?
She is listed after the house!
Now who changed? |
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---Nicole on 8/4/08 |
It was the catholic church who started the dark ages when christians had to hide away in tunnels and hide their copies of the holy bible.There were many who was tortured in the most hideous ways to death who would not conform to the catholic paganistic rituals.And if any were caught with a copy of the holy bible,...whoa to them as well.There has been more bloodshed through the catholic church than anywhere else in history.Satan slipped into the church to lead man away from God and his commandments.The bible says he will masquerade as an angel of light.Yet there are catholic who are true christians,they just need to be told the truth,and come out of her my people. |
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---Irene on 8/4/08 |
Nicole, The first four commandments deal directly with "man's relationship with and especially his reverence toward God. While the latter six have to do with man's relationship with other human beings. The first four have their theme "total love for God," as expressed in Deuteronomy 6:5. By removing the second commandment, it permitted the RCC to enter reverence to Idols. In the RCC, saints get reverence, for the good they did. People get credit for doing good deeds. The RCC gets reverence, the pope gets reverence, Man getting the glory is the order of business in the RCC, glory that only belongs to God. God wrote the Ten Commandments, not the RCC. |
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---Mark_V. on 8/4/08 |
" I was a Catholic for 37 years (even did good in Parochial school) and then I got "Born Again"." (X Catholic person)
Oh, I am so happy for you! But One question: Are Roman Catholics Saved or are they all doom to hell?
"I hope Catholic's find the REAL Jesus."
They alreadly believe in the Real Jesus, the Son of God who became flesh (born of the Holy Virgin Mary) [John 1:1, 14), who died and rose again three days later and ascended into Heaven according to Scriptures.
In IC.XC,
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---Ramon on 8/4/08 |
I believe the office of Pope and the popes that have occupied that office to be satanic. And be one of the greatest hindrance is in the world to salvation!!!! I believe someone in the office of Pope will be the false prophet of Revelation. I also believe more and more other religious bodies will gravitate toward and into the Roman Catholic Church. |
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---Mima on 8/4/08 |
A Google search on "Covetousness is idolatry?" could prove quite instructing. |
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---Nana on 8/3/08 |
The pope is NOT the real deal !! The man constantine devised catholocism(man-made religious organization, & IS an ABOMINATION to Almighty God because of it's idol worship,graven images etc,seemingly to esteem Mary the mother of Jesus higher than Jesus Himself) & this was where the popes got started. For catholocism & her offsprings(trinity believers)are Matt 15 v 9,2nd Corin 4 v 4,Reve 17 v's 4-7 & other scriptures.
God's Church was borned on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-40 which FulFilled Matt 28 v's 19-20.
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---Lawrence on 8/3/08 |
Nicole ... It's as I described earlier ... Here in abbreviated detail:
The Bible (see KJV and others) Exodus 20:2-17, & Deut5:6-21
1.I am the Lord your God, You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make any graven image, ... or bow down to them
3. You shall not take your name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember to keep Holy the Lord's Day.
5, Honor your Father and your mother.
6. you shall not kill.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbour's house... nor his wife nor anyhting that is thy neighbours. |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/3/08 |
Nicole,
I will quote part of the second paragraph, it reads: "In this particular context, I should like to reiterate today all the esteem and the profound respect that I have for Muslim believers, calling to mind the words of the Second Vatican Council which for the Catholic Church are the Magna Carta of Muslim-Christian dialog: "The Church looks upon Muslims with repect. They worship the one God living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to humanity and to those whose decrees, even the hidden ones, they seek to submit themselves whole-heartedly, just as Abraham, to whom the Islamic faith readily relates itself, submitted to God". Nicole, do you pray to the God of Islam? |
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---Ken on 8/3/08 |
This topic always allows Satan a field day.Two question, especially ones bashing RCC (1)Did u pray before u blogged 4 the Holy Spirt 2 guide ur words or were they dictated by the flesh.
(2)Can u,read Galatians 5 & say you had those fruits presented as u blogged or did you have contention which is a work of the flesh.Perhaps this topic & blog is away God is trying to help you become more spirit led Christian.Only way this challenge will be solved is with humility & at the foot of the cross.
Most humans r dogmatic & this blog is evidence. Ur all God's children to me. |
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---Thomas on 8/3/08 |
I was a Catholic for 37 yrs(even did good in Parochial school) and then I got "Born Again".--XCatholic_person
Your Parochial couldn't have been too good, if you didn't realized that you were already Saved.
Jesus is everything to Catholics.
Do you know what excommunication is? You are denied to receive Jesus in the Holy Eucharist until you repent of some horrible mortal you have committed.
It isn't called ex-popeunition. Threaten to deny seeing the Pope isn't scary.
It's separation from Jesus Christ that no one wants.
If you knew just 1/3 of your Catholic faith you would know this.
You were confused about your faith, and someone like Mima was able to convince you to ex-communate yourself. |
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---Nicole on 8/2/08 |
---X_Catholic_person on 8/1/08
so who is the Pope to you? a nothing? a nobody?
just curious? |
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---paul on 8/2/08 |
Pages 496-497 1st edition Catechism in 1992, brown cover. Exodus 20:2-17, Deut5:6-21
1.I am the Lord your God, You shall not have strange Gods before me.
What part of "not have strange Gods before me" you don't understand? Note 'G' is in large Caps. Making something else God. It wasn't taken out!
2. You shall not take your name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep Holy the Lord's Day.
4. Honor your Father and your mother.
5. you shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet yur neighbor's wife.
10 YOu shall not covet your neighbor's good.
Please list yours. |
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---Nicole on 8/1/08 |
Sorry, the Pope is NOT "The Real Deal". I was a Catholic for 37 years (even did good in Parochial school) and then I got "Born Again". The Pope and the church is everything to most Catholic's. Only Jesus Christ is the real deal. Trust no man. Trust only God. It's my responsibility to warn Catholics. If you won't listen to the truth, I can't help you. I hope Catholic's find the REAL Jesus.
* After ou leave this earth, it's too late to pray for you. This is why Jesus came. Get it? Sincerely, - Born Again believe |
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---X_Catholic_person on 8/1/08 |
Ruben ... The point is not the numerology, so much as the fact that the "Protestant" 10 commandments say we must not worship idols, wherease the RCC 10 do not forbid this.
Either the RCC has deliberately omitted this commandment, or Protestants have invented it.
Either way, it is a big bone of contention between us |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/1/08 |
The RC number is made up to 10 by splitting the last commandment about covetting into two.
It is of course the fact that the RC commandments do not forbid idols, whereas Protestant commandents do, that is one of the major areas of conflict between us.
---alan_of_UK on 8/1/08
Alan :The system of numeration found in Catholic Bibles, based on the Hebrew text, was made by St. Augustine (fifth century) in his book of "Questions of Exodus" ("Qustionum in Heptateuchum libri VII", Bk. II, Question lxxi), and was adopted by the Council of Trent(The nineteenth ecumenical council opened at Trent on 13 December, 1545, and closed there on 4 December, 1563). So since Protestant came later, why did they change it? |
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---Ruben on 8/1/08 |
There is also printed books and websites with loads of photos of the evidence of what the Catholic Church is really about (Satanism). But you have to be open to receiving the truth.
---frances008 on 7/28/08
I have seen some of these sites. and it is horrible. That anyone can call themselves a Christian and claim Catholics are satanists!!!???
Is shear insanity.
It is clear who the devil is and who Jesus is as a member of the Catholic church.
I rebuke the devil , his demons and all his works! In the name of Jesus Christ! amen.
Don't waist your precious time reading garbage! |
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---Paul on 8/1/08 |
Nicole ... The RC 10 Commandments are NOT the same as the KJV commandments, just in a diffrent order or with different numbering.
The KJV commandments specifically have "You shall not make any graven image, & shall not bow down to them" This is not in the RC list.
The RC number is made up to 10 by splitting the last commandment about covetting into two.
It is of course the fact that the RC commandments do not forbid idols, whereas Protestant commandents do, that is one of the major areas of conflict between us. |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/1/08 |
the pope is just another fallible human being like all human beings..its a shame that some think of him as God when he is just a man...a fallible one at that..just like you and me... |
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---joel on 7/31/08 |
The commandments that were changed is the second commandment.It says not to worship idols, was totally removed and the last commandment saying not to covet was made into the last two.(cut into two)Compare the catechism version to the holy bible exodus chapter 20.It is quite different.And God said that the ten commandments were for everyone.Not just the jews of the old testament.Jeus said if you love me obey my commandments,and also,I have not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it.Jesus also said that we should obey the commandments of God,not the commandments of men. |
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---Irene on 7/31/08 |
Also,,the catechism brought in pagan worship.History tells all.They compromised God,s laws and brought in pagan beliefs.(praying to dead saints,burning incense while offering prayers to idols.)And it was the second commandment that said not to worship idols that the catechism took out of their version of the commandments.Also they taught people to use objects with their prayers,,rosaries,good luck charms,Please prayfully consider the Lord,s truth.Study the Lord,s holy bible.Jesus said,you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.God bless. |
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---Irene on 7/31/08 |
The papacy has changed the ten commandments--Irene
Let's ask God to reveal the truth to us, which He did to Peter, according to Jesus. Matt 16:13-19.
What 10 Commandments changed?
My grandmother was a Baptist. I saw her King James Bible. The Commandments are the SAME!
List the different Commandments instead of saying it was changed.
If you speak about the numbering process, altered but wording is the same. Thank Luther not the RCC.
Luther a Catholic Priest with the Original Bible, it's Original OT, Original numbering to the 10 Commandments. Left, changed the OT by choosing another Jewish Sect's OT. It is all the same still.
Remember the Majority of the Jews have our listing, not yours. |
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---Nicole on 7/30/08 |
Correction Mima. You find the WEAK Catholics easiest to witness.
Catholics who do not understand their faith. They are called Culture Catholics. Such as Culture Jews.
But Mima, this is true for all weak believers in any denominations.
I considered the Protestants the easiest people to witness as well. They are easier than Muslims, Jewish people and Hindus.
They believe in Jesus. They are just confused about His true Church. Using the Bible only, I am able to show them and they convert.
But, even I know these are Weak Protestants. I wouldn't dare consider you Mima as a Weak one and easy to convert.
You should realize this for Ruben, Emcee, Paul, Ramon (Orthodox) and others.
We are not weak Sir. |
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---Nicole on 7/30/08 |
---John- in witnessing the Catholics. I always try to explain exactly why the Catholic Church is wrong. I then stop talking. Most say, well, I'm Catholic anyway, but some say keep talking. And they usually gets saved. I consider the Catholics some of the easiest people to witness too, because they already have all the information however they have been told lies as added information. Many Catholics are very sincere, earnest, and sober minded. However, you cannot arrive in St. Louis, Missouri by traveling south on the Mississippi from Cairo,(old river boatmen saying) |
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---Mima on 7/30/08 |
Revelation tells us that the son of perdition will set himself up as God in God,s temple.This is blasphemy.The pope has done this and even has on his covering,vicar of the son of God,making himself equal to God.That is the same thing that Satan did and he was cast out of heaven.The papacy has changed the ten commandments and brought in pagan worship and praying to dead saints.Jesus warned us of all this at the last days.Jesus said we should obey God and not man.Jesus warned about man,s traditions.Lets all ask God to reveal the truth to us. |
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---Irene on 7/29/08 |
Samuel, the RCC got rid of the false gospels. Your Bible only has 4 Gospels. Thanks to the RCC.
The Stations of the Cross has it substances from the Bible
The station of the Cross is a Tradition that came from the Disciple who took Mary into His Home - John. John 19:27
Tradition has it that John states he got it from Mary.
Centuries later, St Francis wrote a Hymn and turned it into what we do on Fridays in rememberance of Jesus.
You threw the rich tradition out the window, not us.
Exactly, what is wrong with the Stations of the Cross?
Did you watch the movie the Passion?
Did you know it was based on the Stations of the Cross, by a Catholic, Mel Gibson?
Are you going to throw away your movie now? |
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---Nicole on 7/29/08 |
RCC believes in Jesus PLUS works for salvation.
{No we states that works proves your belief in Jesus.}
That's directly opposed to what the Bible teaches.
{Jesus Himself stated, by your fruit they will do you. James 2:14-26...Faith without woks is dead. What Bible are you reading? Dead is dead to me.}
The whole Mary thing (sinless, co-redemptrix),{Co-redemptrix is a Protestant lies that is put on Catholics. Please get your lies in order.}
transubstantiation,{John 6}
..We need to pray and evangelize to Catholics as much as we do with others.---John on 7/29/08
First evangelize to yourself.
You can't teach others what you yourself do not understand. |
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---Nicole on 7/29/08 |
Catholicism has and is borne out of man-made rituals. It truly is a religion (rules regulations, duty and obligation)whereas true Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP. RCC believes in Jesus PLUS works for salvation. That's directly opposed to what the Bible teaches. They've come up with lie after lie to build out an earthly kingdom, spanning way back to early Christianity days. The whole Mary thing (sinless, co-redemptrix), transubstantiation, Peter as 1st pope, infallibility of the pope, praying to a "father" as intercessor, rosary...bla bla bla...NONE is in the Bible. We need to pray and evangelize to Catholics as much as we do with others. |
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---John on 7/29/08 |
Howdy Paul part of what you wrote is.
(I did not see anyone bowing to statues on World Youth Day in Sidney Australia at all.
Singing praises were directed to God Almighty and His only Son Jesus Christ.
Honoring a man who represents Christ on Earth is a good thing.
NO one is worshiping the Pope that I know of.)
I admit I did not watch World Youth day. But when the Pope visited here in the U.S. the people sang hymns to him. Honoring is fine make him the Vicar of JESUS is not. I am glad you do not worship the Pope. |
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---Samuel on 7/29/08 |
Samuel you have your foot in your mouth"There was never a time that the Church existed it did not have a Bible". there were over 400 books being used until the final canon of scripture was given and assembled into the Bible, with a little study and a little time spent you can find this out,and remove your foot.
Tirzah
I have put my foot in my mouth on too many occasions. But not this one. The Tanak (what we call the Old Testamnet)
was recognized and used by the Apostles as their Bible. The Apostles words were added latter.
True false gospels were written. Such as the Gospel of Nicodemas from which the RCC gets the stations of the cross. |
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---Samuel on 7/29/08 |
Paul, I am not going only by my own personal revelations from God, nor my own personal experiences, nor only by the words in Revelation, Matthew 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2. I am not only going by the actions of the RCC, which point out that it has, through the ages tried to stop the common people having copies of the Bible. I am not going only by former priests, some Jesuits, who know the planning and activities that the Jesuits get up to. I am not just going by all this. There is also printed books and websites with loads of photos of the evidence of what the Catholic Church is really about (Satanism). But you have to be open to receiving the truth. |
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---frances008 on 7/28/08 |
Go to the Vatican website and download and print the "Address Of His Holiness Benedict XVI To The Ambassadors Of Countries With A Muslim Majority And To The Representatives Of Muslim Communities In Italy". Read it very carefully. Then ask yourself if he should be a Pope at all.
---Ken on 7/26/08
I did, and your point?
He telling them not to commit terror on others.
Do you want to live in peace or terror?
Telling them to follow God's commands and obey God is wrong?
Ask yourself if you have the right Holy SEE's website?
Try Vatican the Holy See.
May be you can read the correct Address made. |
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---Nicole on 7/28/08 |
Go to the Vatican website and download and print the "Address Of His Holiness Benedict XVI To The Ambassadors Of Countries With A Muslim Majority And To The Representatives Of Muslim Communities In Italy". Read it very carefully. Then ask yourself if he should be a Pope at all. |
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---Ken on 7/26/08 |
There will be those who will act holy so that they may be recognised and praised as holy as the Pharisees did in scripture. |
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---Ken on 7/26/08 |
As with every Church except Gods church of which is now in the heart and not a building or named differing organizations since most can't even get along these days, all have some few or most truths but there's not One that practice or display ALL Truth, but if you take the word Rightly Divided it's almost impossible to go wrong and if you do you know deep down when where and how! |
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---Carla5754 on 7/26/08 |
I cannot believe the blasphemy being spoken on here! Mary never sinned? What bible are we reading? If Mary never sinned SHE would have been on the cross for our sins, not Jesus because the sacrifice had to be without spot or blemish just as the OT sacrifices. Jesus is the FULLNESS of the Godhead in bodily form, therefore HE was the perfect sacrifice not Mary. I know Mary was a blessed woman, of course, she was the chosen mother of Jesus, but she still sinned, otherwise Gods word is a lie and I am still waiting for the redeemer to come. Christ alone is spoken of as being crucified for my sins and being raised of Gods love on the third day. NO ONE ELSE is mentioned in this regard. |
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---Gabriel on 7/25/08 |
Samuel you have your foot in your mouth"There was never a time that the Church existed it did not have a Bible". there were over 400 books being used until the final canon of scripture was given and assembled into the Bible, with a little study and a little time spent you can find this out,and remove your foot. |
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---Tirzah on 7/25/08 |
samuel~singing praise songs to a man praying to the dead and bowing before statues.
I did not see anyone bowing to statues on World Youth Day in Sidney Australia at all.
Singing praises were directed to God Almighty and His only Son Jesus Christ.
Honoring a man who represents Christ on Earth is a good thing.
NO one is worshiping the Pope that I know of.
Those who die on earth are not dead.
They are living in heaven.
There human bodies are left behind until the second resurrection on the last day.
There souls an essence are with God, those that believe and hand have faith and Trust in Jesus.
# 2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. |
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---Paul on 7/24/08 |
I do not see this. The Catholics are a very formal religion, if you will. Really it doesn't matter what you think. Do you have an inside advantage that others may not have. If you do, it's because you work at it, while everyone else is out doing God knows what. |
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---catherine on 7/23/08 |
I love to see people uniting for JESUS CHRIST praying to GOD and reading their Bibles. Not singing praise songs to a man praying to the dead and bowing before statues.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, |
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---Samuel on 7/23/08 |
Frances and others~
I really don't understand where you are coming from. Jesus is coming back. That is what we are all waiting for. The same Gospel you read I do.
My church does.
Unite under Jesus is what our goal is.
It is not a you or me thing. It is an us thing.
Under One Lord. The God of Abraham and Isac. Through the Lord Jesus Christ His only Son.
I don't see any confusion in that.
Why must you insist on dividing Christ.
When Jesus comes back we will all bow before Him.
World Youth Day promoted this.
Don't you like to see people uniting for Christ? |
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---Paul on 7/23/08 |
Alan, apologies the last post was not for you, it is so hot here everyones' brains are frying as we stagger from drink machine to drink machine. LOL Like a preview of Hell. |
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---frances008 on 7/22/08 |
The pope is the real deal to the millions who submit their minds and wills to him
when one submits their mind and will to another flesh and blood man one has given up their power
those who are free from this bondage see clearly he has no advantage and his kingship is of this world ...this world belongs to Satan 2Corin 4:4
when Christ returns HE will destroy this world it's governments it's religions to rule GODS WAY not mans way
the pope is of men and those who serve him serve that religious system not God |
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---Rhonda on 7/22/08 |
Alan I could indeed go to wherever you say and watch whatever you say and I am sure I would say 'Isn't that nice' but I think some things are a lot deeper than you understand. Do you recall the story of Little Red Riding Hood. The wolf was intelligent enough to get into the bed wearing grandma's clothes, and it was only because of Red Riding Hood noticing the size of the wolf's eyes, nose and mouth, that she escaped being eaten alive. I've done hundreds at least of hours of research. I like Catholics, I agree with some of their traditions, and know there are some genuine Christian churches, but basically the system is a false system, the god a different god at the top, and it is the way to destruction for many. |
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---frances008 on 7/22/08 |
Frances ~ you obviously did not watch World Youth Day in Sidney Austraila!
it was all about Jesus and God. Mentioning our Lords name frequently. Bring to message of the Gospel to the world. Reading the Scripture and the Gospel were greatly incorporated into the message- Homily.
I would advice you got to EWTN and watch a repeat of World Youth Day~ and watch the Truth. All teens from all over the world uniting for Christ is a beautiful site.
Frances, you really can't mean what you say.It is false. I pray for you. |
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---Paul on 7/22/08 |
Nicole is correct. The Pope is like the Olympics. A gathering of pagans from all over the world for the purpose of promoting people in this world, where Jesus is barely mentioned and God is not in the picture at all. All those who want to be famous gather around him, and there is a lot of money involved. Olympics and Catholicism have lots in common. Also the rituals that are performed. It is not surprising really since they share the same atheist ideals and world view. They are all modernists promoting Godlessness and worship of self. |
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---frances008 on 7/21/08 |
The Pope claims to be the Representive of GOD on earth. But he is just a man no matter the claims. We have only one mediator that is JESUS himself.
Hbr 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. |
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---Samuel on 7/21/08 |
Not at all. The Catholic church teaches that the pope is infallible. He is a sinner man just like anyone else. |
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---obewan on 7/21/08 |
There was never a time that the Church existed it did not have a Bible. The Bible of the Early church was the First or Old Testament. This is what the church taught out of and JESUS and the Apoltles expounded from. The Writings of the Apostles all begain and were finished in the first century. They were just not offically affirmed and finally put together till latter.
So it is mistaken to believe the bible was a latter assembly by the Church. |
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---Samuel on 7/21/08 |
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