Nomos and entoley
The nomos is traditional ritualistic laws these were nailed to the cross, Christians do not live by these laws.
Christians live by the Entolay or moral laws of God that he writes in their hearts.
These laws are based on the love of God but they are strengthened by the Holy Spirit.
God reqires 100 percent of your life he is pleased by faith not money. Christians give out of need. When they see a need by love they supply it. THe widows mite is what jesus revealed to us as true giving, Not giving what you do not have to give but whatever you have pleases God. |
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---exzucuh on 11/3/09 |
If you have one hundred dollars but you owe that money to someone, the scripture says you should pay them, that is their money. The righteous will repay his debt. You can only give what is yours out of your increase. To give God money that is owed to others is a sin, you are stealing to give to God. Give to Ceasar what is his and God what belongs to him. You belong to God, You, not your money. If you give God money that is not yours by faith expecting God to give you more you are tempting God. NO different than the devil trying to get Jesus to jump off the penacle, the devil used the word to justify his request. |
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---exzucuh on 11/3/09 |
Bye-bye Jimbo. Sorry to see your adherence to a distortion of a mere man's words rather than those of Jesus. |
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---jerry6593 on 11/3/09 |
Jerry you proved my point about where you stand.
I guess you ignore the Decreed of the Apostle concerning Gentiles, as well as Galations and willfully uphold the Laws above The Christ.
Keep Kosher, get Circumsized, and remember to observe the remaining 611 laws, so you can be justified by your good deeds on Judgement Day.
GOOD BYE!!!
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---PASTOR_JIM on 11/2/09 |
Jimmy: It is apparent to me that you have some social interaction issues. I can only imagine the accusatory screaming rant that would constitute one of your sermons. Do you have a congregation? How many?
Jesus said:
Mat 5:17,18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
You say the law is destroyed. Jesus says it is not. I think I'll go with Jesus. |
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---jerry6593 on 11/2/09 |
Jerry, Please show me anywhere in the NT where he commands you to Tithe (10%) not to give, but to TITHE. If not then following the law is BLASPHEMOUS to God who sent his Son to fulfill the laws for us and was brutally tortured & killed on a Cross for you. All to set you free from sin. Yet you reject Him and return to the Law???
YOU FOOLISH GALATIANS WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU"
Again I will state so even the "blind in faith can read it
IT IS ABSOLUTELY BLASPHEMY TO REJECT THE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST AND TO REPLACE HIM WITH THE LAW! |
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---Pastor_Jim on 11/1/09 |
Malachi excerpts: You are presenting defiled food upon My altar. "But when you present the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? "And when you present the lame and sick, is it not evil? "and you bring what was taken by robbery, and what is lame or sick, Under the law only the finest animals were to be offered to God for sacrifice, tithes, and offerings. As you can see the entire robbery issue preached from the viewpoint of quantity to put guilt trips and condemn the brethren was really an issue of quality. They were titheing their lame, sick, blind, old, etc.. animals to God and keeping the finest for their own selfish gain. |
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---Bob on 11/1/09 |
Does gross or net include medical insurance as income?
It is not fair to ask the person who pays $850-$1100 a month out of pocket a month for medical insurance to tithe on gross when a person who gets free medical insurance does not do that! |
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---obewan on 11/1/09 |
Jim: Very few people, particularly those in ministerial occupations, would dare to call God's word blasphemy. As I recall, Jesus and all the disciples seemed to highly regard the Old Testament, even quoting from it frequently. Were they blasphemers too? But, I guess you know better than them. |
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---jerry6593 on 11/1/09 |
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The Roman Catholic church prohibited asking for tithes for centuries. The Protestants, until the nineteenth century, also shunned the practice. In both cases, the custom was started in order to build an edifice. Christians give voluntary offerings and alms with joy *3. Acts 15:20, 29 do not mention tithing. However, Romans 14.
*1 Acts 13:39, Romans 3:20, 28, 8:1-17, Galatians 1:6-9, 2:16, 3:10-13.
*2 Job 36:15, Psalm 12:5, 72:4, Ecclesiastes 7:7, Ezekiel 22:7, 29.
*3 Romans 15:26, 1Corinthians 16:1-3, 2Corinthians 8, 9:5 (covetousness), 7 (necessity = obligation, commandment). |
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---Glenn on 10/31/09 |
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Preachers who try to place others under the curse of the law violate scripture *1. Tithes were salaries paid only in Israel by Israelites, on comestible crops, and clean domesticated animals (Leviticus 27:30-32). Tithes were not always accepted, Deuteronomy 23:18. Tithes were not paid on money owed, Matthew 5:23-24. A "Tithe" used for other than salaries, or exceeding the median salary, or excluding some workers, is a Malachi 3:9 curse, and was a form of theft. For the first few centuries, most giving was to the poor *2. Also, many church ministries, like many government ministries, are both extravagant and unaccountable to the common folk. |
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---Glenn on 10/31/09 |
Jerry, Thanks for quoting out of the OT, which is under the Law.
Again it is BLASPHEMOUS to tithe. (Giving the 10% law) (Read Galations) when you go back to the Law you deny the salvation of the cross and Jesus Christ is no loner valid for you. Read my post, it said
"Christians gave in the true sprit of The Christ".
We give according to what the Holy Spirit commands us. (1% to 100%+) |
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---Pastor_Jim on 10/31/09 |
The MAIN problem with the "tithing/giving" issue is that we are still thinking as the world, i.e. that the money is ours, and we don't want to let go of it. If we accept the truth that ALL that we have or are belongs to God anyway, then we won't have a problem with this issue. We might then encounter the problem of where to stop giving, but hey, what a novel idea! God will take care of our needs, when we let go of our physical wants. |
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---tommy3007 on 10/31/09 |
Mr. Jim: "This is blasphemous!"
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
The Word of God is NOT blasphemous! |
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---jerry6593 on 10/31/09 |
It always amazes me how when Churches who want your money, they tell you to Tithe.
This is blasphemous!
Why dont they tell you to keep Kosher and circumcise your sons? When it is convenience for these greedy Pharisees to grab your money, they do not hesitate to blasphemy The Christ. The 1st century church never tithed, (see Sermon of the Mount)for the laws are written on your heart and the orginal church gave all they had. Not the 10%. They never resorted to the deceptive Stewardship classes either They were honest and said we need money, clothes, food, shelter etc. Christians gave in the true sprit of The Christ. But Pharisees are called Hypocrites by Jesus. And they still exist today dont they? |
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---Pastor_JIm on 10/31/09 |
Paul was an authority on old covenant law. He never addressed the issue of tithing 10 percent in the new testament. He did say Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. I'm sure if the 10 percent tithe was to be part of the new covenant that Paul would have addressed the issue. |
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---Bob on 10/30/09 |
I Tithe from my Gross.
Matt. 22 v 21, about the coin, that which is Caesers, taxes - other. That which Is God's, Tithes & Offerings. |
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---Lawrence on 10/30/09 |
Although I believe in tithing,in the New Testament it is given from the heart,not as an ordinance. I would say pray and ask God to quicken to your heart the way you should tithe. Different situations call for different methods,if you work for wages,you tithe on what you get,if in business for yourself you tithe on the net not the gross because you don't make the gross, with all expenses to run the business coming out of it. NT,God loveth a cheerful giver. |
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---Darlene_1 on 8/2/07 |
The N.T. says to render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's (government) and unto God what is God's (tithe). The government takes what belongs to it in your paycheck, now all you have to do is give to God what is His out of what is left on your paycheck (after government). |
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---Leslie on 2/11/07 |
After I cashed my husband's check, I right then take out 10% of that check for tithes. I know that is the OT law, but hey it works for me. A person should give with their heart. If someone is thinking, "I have to pay how much in tithes"? then they aren't giving with their heart and God won't honor that. No one can out give God. |
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---Rebecca_D on 2/11/07 |
A Christian Jew of the tribe of Levi said that if you tithe as in the old testament, you are under the law and have to keep all the law, including blood sacrifice, stoning people for adultry, etc.
This is not a popular view among ministers who pull the tithe law out and ignore the rest of the old testament law. |
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---Virginia on 2/8/07 |
Anyone that discourages giving, or charity, or piety is a False prophet. |
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---catherine on 2/8/07 |
I believe that we are to give as God has blessed us. You can never out give God! For me personally, I stick to 10%, but this is an Old Test law. I think it's a good "guideline" to follow. The two most important things to remember are that everything is God's anyway, so I don't believe that the amount is set in stone, and that God cares about the heart attidude, not the amount! |
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---Sara_Bennage on 2/7/07 |
For 45 years I've been tithing on the gross. Thirty Three of those years was spent as a "faith" missionary. (Meaning living on just contributions, which we tithed.) Not once have we every out-given God. Not once have we ever been "sorry". Tithing is an investment with the greatest return. From experience, our vote would be to tithe on the gross income. |
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---wivv on 2/7/07 |
I do not understand why GOD would remind me one day and I QUOTE Him, "what about your tithes", and some people feels that don't have to. Man! |
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---CATHERINE on 2/5/07 |
At our house, we start with the 10% on our gross income and go from there. Whenever you see a need that needs to be met, you should meet it regardless of your tithes and offerings. |
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---Susie on 2/5/07 |
No Christians do not have to tithe. Jesus abolished all of the Law on the Cross (Colossians 2:14, also Hebrews 10:9). What strikes me about tithing being preached is that is done by the so-called mighty men of faith in the Word of Faith camp. Surely, if they really did have enough faith they would just believe God to provide for them. |
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---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07 |
2/... Christians are to be cheerful givers, not of necessity. Giving out of necessity puts one under the Law, and therefore out of grace. Jesus came to set us free. |
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---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07 |
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