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What If Not Looking For God

Hebrews 12:28 says, "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." What about those who are not looking for Him? Got any ideas?

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The passage is Heb 9:28.
Mankind is lost. It is God that does the seeking not the person.
This passage is speaking about the Saved looking for His appearing.
Again the whole passage and thought must be understood. Read the chapter.
Notice that Christ entered into heaven to appear before God for us, v24.
The "us" is the redeemed not the lost.
---Elder on 5/2/08


I have an idea. Those that are not looking for Christ will be in one word Dammed.
---catherine on 8/12/07


I am reluctant to get involved in this but, I don't see where it really proves anywhere in the Bible that Jesus is comming 3 times anyway and maybe we are wishfully thinking regarding a Rapture. To me, the Rapture is not clear cut. I take this verse to mean that those who are not watching simply miss the boat as did the 5 virgins with no oil for their lamps while the other 5 wise virgins went in with the bride groom.
---jody on 8/12/07


Forth, There are only two resurrections, not three. If there was a pre-trib rapture, there would be three resurrections - one at the beginning of the tribulation period, one at the end of the tribulation (to bring up the Christians and converted ones), and one at the end of the thousand year period. It's written that blessed are those who rise during the first resurrection. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year period.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


Fifth, Why have a tribulation? If the Christians were taken up and the evil left on earth? Many Christians believe that they would rise before the tribulation to escape Gods wrath. But why would the dead be taken? Can the dead can't feel the wrath of God on Earth if theyre dead?
---Steveng on 8/12/07




Sixth, how can you Christians be so vain to think you are more special than the Christians and Godly people who died in all of history. Don't be afraid about what is about to happen during these end times for God promised to protect you from his wrath. Persecution, on the other hand, is what we will face. Are you willing to die for Jesus like all the other Godly people and Christians in the past? Now is the time to strengthen your relationship with God.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


Last, but not least, we will be warned about it before it happens.

Besides, why would Jesus command the Christians to flee if they are going to be raptured without harm?
---Steveng on 8/12/07


So, forget about this rapture thing, about the age of the universe, about knowing how the Earth began, or when it will end, about dinosaurs, about "Whose on first, What's on second and I-don't-knows on third." Teach the Gospel that Jesus taught - the Gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there. Go out into the world and spread the Gospel. For the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


This is a frivolous debate. But if you must, let's reason this out.

First, There is only One Judgement Day, not two. If people are raptured at the beginning, judgement has been pronounced, because the Christians were taken and the evil people left on Earth. But it is written that both the tares and the wheat will be harvested at the same time.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


Second, there is nothing new under the sun. No one in history was ever raptured. Jesus himself said no one has ascended into heaven. Neither Moses or Elijah will be the witnesses. God even says that he buried Moses in a valley. I suggest reading a phrase dictionary telling the many ways to say that a person kicked the bucket, bit the dust, he flew on the wings of the wind to the happy hunting ground, etc.
---Steveng on 8/12/07




Third, Every time there was a catastrophe, Godly men and women were not raptured, but were protected by God and still on earth. Noah and his family, David and his friends, the Israelites during the plagues, etc. The Christians during the tribulation period will be protected the same way by the mark of God. All humanity is in the same boat and will experience the same thing, but Christians are protected.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


HEBREWS 9:28
---Leon on 8/12/07


Elder: Thanks for the offer; but, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather this be a discussion wherein we all may hopefully gain biblically accurate insights from other "sincere" bloggers as well. Since we're talking about "the rapture" and/or "the catching away" of the Church, I believe our discussion should be "open-air". :)
---Leon on 2/8/07


Leon we have examples all the way back to Genesis and Exodus. Then there are examples in the New Testament to include Revelation.
We have never seen God's wrath fall on the Saved anywhere in Old or New Testament Scripture.
If the Rapture doesn't occur pretrib there is no place for the Bema Judgement of Christians and hence no rewards for us.
If you want to study the issue in sincerity write me at elder2291.
---Elder on 2/7/07


Mima & Elder: Sirs, please help me understand. Where in scripture does it specifically talk about the "rapture" (occuring pre-tribulation?) in contrast to Jesus' post-tribulation second coming?
---Leon on 2/7/07


Those that seek will find so it would be fair to say that those who don't seek won't find. I think those who possess the Spirit of God will be seeking.
---john on 2/6/07


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Jack How could you possibly come up with your idea of damnation from this passage? Will damnation, as you call it, cause "without sin unto salvation," v28?
Hebrews 9 gives us information about the Tabernacle services, Christ's perfect sacrifice, the image of the New Covenant inclosed in the OT and the personal sacrifice of Jesus so folks could have Salvation.
Get out your eraser Jack and try again.
---Elder on 2/5/07


Leon, Matt 24 was written about the Tribulation.
Notice v3, "What shall be the sign of thy coming?"
There are no signs leading to the Rapture. It will be quick, silent and without notice of everyone.
A thief comes and takes the valuables and leaves evidence that he was there.
Many of the things we read in Matt 24 is leading up to the Second Coming now. It occurs 7 years after the Rapture. The stage is being set.
Let's read Matt 24:44 and heed the advice.
---Elder on 2/5/07


"What about those who are not looking for Him?" See Matt. 24: 36-51.

The catching away (rapture) of those who "watch" for Him: See 1 Thes. 4:13-5:6.
---Leon on 2/5/07


Yes I was wrong it is Hebrews 9:28. I believe the passages speaking about his appearing the second time unto them that are looking for him refers to the rapture, those were looking for a rapture are looking for him to appear. I'm standing by for flak!!!!
---Mima on 2/5/07


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Sounds like He will appear to them unto their DAMNATION, don't you think?
---Jack on 2/4/07


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