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What Are Orthodox Churches

I keep hearing about an Orthodox Church. I know there are several denominations of them. What do they believe?

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"....in the early church was....baptism was necessary for salvation. Hardly any Biblical oriented church holds that view today." (leej)

This is not correct. Western Christianity (Roman Catholicism/Many Protestants) and Eastern Christianity (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodoxy, Syriac, Armenian, etc) all accept the view of the Early Church (1st-8th centuries) concerning Holy Baptism, which is the Biblical account.

"However, there are differences that have arisen due to better understanding of the Bible."

I hardly doubt later, 21st century Christians, are more enlighten than those who came before. I will trust 1st-5th centuries Christians over 21st century ones any day.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/10/10


"Unfortunately today the Orthodoxy movement is noted for "tradition" of which in itself cannot being holiness, sanctification, assurance and certainly not salvation." (larry)

What is the "Orthodoxy movement"? I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/10/10


Ignatius -
the tradition of the Presbyterian church is basically the tradition of the earliest church in which elders & deacons ruled in the church. It is not the later tradition of bishops, archbishops, popes, and other archbutt types.

As for the Bible, they are as traditional in interpretation as one can get. However, there are differences that have arisen due to better understanding of the Bible.

For instance, the traditional belief in the early church was that baptism was necessary for salvation. Hardly any Biblical oriented church holds that view today.

Perhaps we should say we are more 'catholic' than 'orthodox'?
---leej on 9/9/10


"I currently attend the Orthodox Presbyterian church which follows the traditional interpretations of the Bible." (leej)

If you did indeed follow the traditional interpretations of the Divine Scriptures, you wouldn't be a Presbyterian and falsely ascribe the words "Orthodox" before it.

In either case, Presbyterianism follow the post 16th century interpretations of the Bible, which is NOT traditional, not by a long a shot.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/9/10


Unfortunately today the Orthodoxy movement is noted for "tradition" of which in itself cannot being holiness, sanctification, assurance and certainly not salvation.

The entire history of the bible is repleat with patriarchs who denied themselves and tradition.
From Abraham to John of Revelation there is not a traditional man in all of biblical history who moved the gospel forward.
---larry on 9/9/10




What are orthodox churches? By definition it is a church that follows traditional doctrine: follows the established or traditional rules of a political or religious belief, a philosophy, or a way of life

And an orthodox person is somebody who has traditional beliefs: a follower of traditional or established beliefs or rules, or a member of an Orthodox denomination

I currently attend the Orthodox Presbyterian church which follows the traditional interpretations of the Bible.
---leej on 9/9/10


Orthodox The Early Church, according to Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 & still lives today.

ALL others Are Man - made relig - org's the trin rcc that came from here, 2nd.Cor,11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 8/14/10


Historicaly, the Ortodox church is based on four of the original five churchs. Initially, theChristian Church was divided into five sections, with bases at Alexandria (Egypt), Jerusalem, Damascus, Isambus and Rome. Eventually, the section based in Rome separated, due to some dispute, and became the Catholic Church. THe remaining foour became the Orthodox Church. Their beleifs are similar to the Catholic Church, but their [four] leavers have a much over status. The also have the view that only priests descendded from the 12 have the right to forgive sins'.
---peter on 4/13/10


Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
---MIchael on 4/9/10

Gentile above is translated from:
"Goy" (go'ee, go'-ee)
Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing), a foreign nation, hence a Gentile, also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Point was they did not use the latin RC word. In the New Covenant...you'll notice it takes on a little different meaning...Ethnos/Nations. The Race of Israel/Nations
Stranger is another word....there are 8 O.T. words for different kinds of Strangers. 10 words in N.T.
---Trav on 4/11/10


THE REAL Elder.

How are we to know you are the real Elder?

Agreed the earlier posts here by "Elder" don't sound like the long-stanbding and original Elder.

But neither does your own contribution now read like the old "Elder"

Just to satisfy me that you are the original Elder, can't you just say in what context our old discussion about the tropics referred to?

Then I'd know if you are you
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/10/10




Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
---MIchael on 4/9/10


To all readers:
My argument has always been, if Abraham was the "first Jew" was everyone before him Gentiles?
Don't let anyone teach you with out the Word of God being centerpiece.
---THE_REALElder on 4/8/10

Real Elder...you got the learning part down.
Technically Abraham was not a Judean/jew. Gentile(latin) was not a word in his day.
Abrahams line is Adamic..
If N.T., using Gentile...look up the translation and apply "nations" or "ethnos", as it reveals context more closely. Almost always refers to divorced side of Israel who had lost their married name. Judah/Benjamin not divorced...retained name of Israel. Both houses widowed now. Is to be a new name.....
---Trav on 4/9/10


To all readers:
Back in 2007 there was a dissembler who used everyones name at one time or another to cause confusion. I did not post the replies on this blog back then.
My argument has always been, if Abraham was the "first Jew" was everyone before him Gentiles?
I try real hard to be exact in biblical answers according to the Written Word of God. There really are more important things than fussing about who is right or wrong. Take time to study and learn. Don't let anyone teach you with out the Word of God being centerpiece.
---THE_REALElder on 4/8/10


Elder, Moses and his brother Aaron were from the tribe of Levi - the priesthood. They were most certainly Jews. Moses was raised by Pharoah's daughter, but he was born to a Hebrew mother and is from the House of Jacob. What makes you say he is not a Jew?
---phyla3656 on 2/21/07

There were twelve tribes. Judah/jews being one of them. Saying Moses,Noah,Abraham were jews/Judah is not correct. The scripture is more concerned especially the New Covenant with the Lost Sheep Nations, the 10 Divorced that the Judean one....who at Christ time would not accept him. Jesus tell this himself.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 4/7/10


There's 1 denomination of Orthodox Christianity. We have different languages that are spoken in the churches. Ex., Greek. All Orthodox churches are in communion with one another. It is ,perfectly, alright for a Romanian Orthodox to go to the Greek or Serbian church.
---Alexandra_Schoonover on 3/29/08


I grew up Romanian Orthodox. They believe in the apostle's creed. Pray to saints much like Catholics. Preists must marry. Basic theological difference from Catholics is where does the Holy Spirit come from (Father only vs. Father and Son). Salvation through works and faith.
---Michaela on 12/10/07


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Moses is born during the Jewish enslavement in Egypt, during a terrible period when Pharaoh decrees that all male Hebrew infants are to be drowned at birth. His mother, Yocheved, desperate to prolong his life, floats him in a basket in the Nile. Hearing the crying child as she walks by, Pharaoh's daughter pities the crying infant and adopts him (Exodus 2:1-10). Had Moses grown up in slavery with his fellow Hebrews....

Moses, not Jewish? Oh my.
---Shiela on 2/24/07


Tip ... there is a difference between orthodox and Orthodox
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/24/07


**Lets start simply, the RXX has been martyring orthodox priests and members for centuries, the last known opne bneing 1899. **

Actually, this happened during WW2 at Medjugore. That's what that large cross is commemorating: the place where Orthodox faithful and deacons and priests were hurled to their deaths.
---Jack on 2/22/07


ALL;:The 4 Gospels were written by Matthew Mark Luke & John Inspired by the Holy Spirit.It's teachings existed since the coming of Christ.The OT Books were narrations of & By Gods chosen People & those appointed by God to Prophesy in HIS Name.The interpretations are by The vicar of Christ on this earth viz the Roman Pontiff under the Guidance of Jesus .Matt28:19-20 One UNIVERSAL ACCEPTED CHURCH BY GOD
---Emcee on 2/22/07


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MOSES was born of HEBREW slaves.He was preserved & chosen by God to lead His people out of slavery & oppression of Egyptian Masters.
---Emcee on 2/22/07


An Greek Orthodox friend of mine, took umbrage when someone said that the Orthodox and RCC are the same church. Why?
Lets start simply, the RXX has been martyring orthodox priests and members for centuries, the last known opne bneing 1899. I don't have all the details, and I have lost touch with my friend.
---mike8384 on 2/22/07


Orthodox has become to mean, more rules.
---tip on 2/22/07


Alan, in answer to your question as to who kept the faith alive...I know little of history, but I know 1 thing, and that is that God Himself kept and will keep the faith alive and deserves all the glory. We are vessels, whatever denomination a true believer may be....
---Christina on 2/22/07


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Elder ... Not sure what you are saying?
Do you mean that Jewishness started later than Moses?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/22/07


Elder, Moses and his brother Aaron were from the tribe of Levi - the priesthood. They were most certainly Jews. Moses was raised by Pharoah's daughter, but he was born to a Hebrew mother and is from the House of Jacob. What makes you say he is not a Jew?
---phyla3656 on 2/21/07


**
Who do you think wrote the Bible to start with? -- Jack.

Jack, the Bible was written by Jews.**

To phrase my question more exactly, who do you think decided what was going to be in the Bible to start with?
---Jack on 2/21/07


phyla3656 you said, "Jack, the Bible was written by Jews."
How could that be when Moses wrote the first 5 books and he was not a Jew?
---Elder on 2/21/07


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Phyla, knowing you are a Jew it is certainly my joy to have you here and posting.
Continue on here and may The Great God of Abraham and Jacob bless you. They saw His day and rejoiced.
---Elder on 2/21/07


Who do you think wrote the Bible to start with? -- Jack.

Jack, the Bible was written by Jews.
---phyla3656 on 2/20/07


Jacxk ... I suggest that it was both the RCC and the Orthodox who kept the Faith alive (with slightly different doctrines, practices and organisation) and that it is to these tho church that the Christians go in Romania now.
My question was asked as a challemge to those who say RCC and Orthodox are not Christian. I wonder why none has answered>
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/20/07


Orthodox church separate from the catholic when holy father unchurch orthodox ecomenical patriarch and then patriarch unchurch holly father.Orthodoxs believes the matter of course that mother of god is the greatest of the saints.
---JOHN on 2/20/07


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The Orthodox

<< & where are the Christians in Romania now?>>

Going to Romanian Orthodox Churches: some New Calendar, some Old Calendar.
---Jack on 2/17/07


I've been on holiday to Romania recently, and lived among the people.
There is rivalry ... sometimes intense ... between Roman Catholics and Orthodox.
NO OTHER DENOMINATIONS
I wonder who kept the Faith during the Ceacescu nightmare years? & where are the Christians in Romania now?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/13/07


Shame on those who condemn other Christians as cultists ... just because they have a different perception of the same Truth!
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/13/07


Yes, I suggest that you go right out and buy Timothy wares book, IF YOU WANT TO READ A BUNCH OF LIES! The Orthodox religion is just as corrupted as the Catholic religion.

What is wrong with following only the
teachings of Jesus Christ?
---Gregory on 2/12/07


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They most certainly are not a cult, much less one of Catholicism. Have you personally investigated their beliefs, and gone to their services? Bible verses are sung and they're all over the liturgy. I am evangelical now, but growing up in the Orthodox Church, and my grandfather having been a PRIEST, I know that there are saved Christians in there.
---Michaela on 2/12/07


Leslie, if I were to ask you everything you acgtually KNEW about the Orthodox Churches, you'd have 84 words left over after you wrote, "Nothing."

Who do you think wrote the Bible to start with?

Pop-evangelicalism/Christianity Lite is what is cultic.
---Jack on 2/12/07


Orthodox Churches are a sect of Catholic. They do NOT line up with the HOLY BIBLE. They are a religious cult.
---Leslie on 2/11/07


Jack my Friend I am not going to fuel the fire So I leave it in the hands Of Our Creator right or wrong is not our call as I see it.
---Emcee on 2/8/07


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**The official Orthodox Churches stem from the church that separated from the Catholic Church in the 1100's. **

Lorra, what you said is mostly untrue.

For one thing, it was the Roman church that separated.

For another, the Ecumenical patriarch does NOT have authority to call a council. The seven the Orthodox Church recognizes were actually called by emperors from all places of the empire--oikoumene: hence the word "ecumenical."
---Jack on 2/8/07


Thanks for your answers. Jack, I will try to get that book.
---Susie on 2/8/07


---Michaela's answer is correct as to what they believe. Is there salvation in the Orthodox Church yes if salvation is gained through works and faith. But of course there is saved people in all churches. UPC church believes there is salvation in how men and women dress not just modestly but the link of the skirt and sleeves is important.
---Mima on 2/8/07


*but I recommend you start with a book by Timothy Ware (now Bishop Kallistos): THE ORTHODOX CHURCH. There are excerpts from it available on line.*


Good recommendation, Jack. I have his translation of the Philokalia.
---augusta on 2/7/07


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The official Orthodox Churches stem from the church that separated from the Catholic Church in the 1100's. They hold idential beliefs to the Catholic Church except for a slight deviation in the Nicean Creed, and they do not follow the Pope. They do follow their own Patriarchs, and the Patriarch of Constantinople has the authority to call councils.
---lorra8574 on 2/7/07


The split between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church began to form when Constantine moved his capital to Constantinople from Rome, the Bishop of Constantinople felt that the leadership of the Church should have followed the Emperor. But the Papacy is not under any King or Emperor but Jesus Christ.
---lorra8574 on 2/7/07


There are a number of Protestant denominations that include the word "Orthodox" in their denominations title. Alluding that they conform to the original tenants of those movements. They generally tend to be small splinter group off shoots from the original movements. I don't know if this has any thing to do with what Susie is asking or not.
---Phil_the_Elder on 2/7/07


The Coptic orthodox church was founded by apostle Mark 12 after the resurrection of our God,Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.Orthodox churches still follow and maintain the faith it recieved from the apostles of Jesus
---Alfred on 2/7/07


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The Coptic orthodox church was founded by apostle Mark 12 after the resurrection of our God,Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.Orthodox churches still follow and maintain the faith it recieved from the apostles of Jesus.
---Alfred on 2/7/07


There is only one Orthodox church, but in the USA it is divided, because of accidents of human history, into several jurisdictions.

They all believe the same thing.

It's impossible to talk about the beliefs of the original church that Jesus started in just 85 words, but I recommend you start with a book by Timothy Ware (now Bishop Kallistos): THE ORTHODOX CHURCH. There are excerpts from it available on line.
---Jack on 2/7/07


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