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Was Jesus A Wine Bibber

What about Jesus being called "a wine bibber"? Does this indicate that Jesus might have drank wine? How can a person be called "a wine bibber "without having drank wine?

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shira3877, thank you. I think we all know what alcohol can do to a person. But we also know that people can drink some alcohol without becoming angry and violent as well, as many fine restaurants serve wine without having daily brawls in their dining room. I was just wondering if there are any scripture that specifically say not to have any wine at all. If wine is all that bad, I just don't understand why Jesus would make wine, or why he would choose wine as a representation of his own precious blood and serve it at the last supper. Also, Noah, who was the most righteous man in his day, drank wine when he got off the ark.
---Jed on 9/24/11


Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging.Isaiah 24:9 Strong drink is bitter. Isaiah 28:7 erred thru strong drink. Proverbs 4:17 drink the wine of violence. Considering all the scriptures, Jesus would never drink wine because Jesus was not raging or violent and He didn't err. The pharisees called Jesus many things. They always tried to discredit what Jesus taught.
---shira3877 on 9/23/11


Does anyone know of any scriptures that say specifically not to drink alcohol at all? I know there are that say not to be a drunkard. But there is a difference, just like telling someone not to be a spender doesn't mean to never buy anything at all. Drinking wine occasionally doesn't make you a drunkard any more than resting makes you lazy.
---Jed on 9/21/11


Danielle_Smith:

I live in Arizona. If I leave a glass of juice or sugary soda outside of the fridge, within a few days it turns to vinegar.

Like most other plants, grapes are seasonal, so they need to be harvested at the right time and then stored, then used throughout the year. Imagine how long grape juice would last in Israel in the summer without refrigeration. Not very long. Within days it would start to ferment into wine.

The Pharisees would have had no cause to accuse Jesus of being a wine bibber if he only drank grape juice. Besides, both Hebrew and Greek have different words for wine (fermented) and juice (unfermented), and the word for wine is used, not the one for juice.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/11


There is a difference between drinking some wine, and being drunk with wine. A wine bibber is one whom imbibes or drinks wine, and not everyone whom drinks wine is a wino or a drunk. Jesus created wine to drink, but not to be drunken with it.
---Eloy on 9/20/11




---Tibor_Spagina_Mr. on 9/19/11 --- has an excellent answer to this question. Very impressive inside of into the human psyche and the mind of Almighty God!!!!!
---mima on 9/20/11


Danielle ... You are not the first to say that wine must be bad because it is made using yeast, or leaven

You also might want to stay away from birthday cake, hot yeast rolls, bread, cheese, and others.
---Scott1 on 9/20/11


If Jesus drank wine and was sinless, then obviously its the AMOUNT of wine one drinks that makes it a sin.
---CraigA on 9/20/11


Dear Fellow Christians, God, our Savior, Jesus Christ needs no defense for drinking fermented wine, including new wine (remember Pentecost, people saying the apostles got drunk on new, sweet wine). Christ fulfilled the laws, he knew no sin, unleavened bread or not, fermented wine, nothing you eat or drink is sinful, only bad words that one speaks out of his heart. No one can make himself more acceptable to God by just drinking water and juice. This is the period of g r a c e, thanks to Jesus for his suffering, death on the cross and resurrection. By the way, who are we, that we question the words/context of the Bible by saying maybe wine is not wine. The Bible does not mislead you, human reasoning, ... yes.
---Tibor_Spagina_Mr. on 9/19/11


Danielle ... You are not the first to say that wine must be bad because it is made using yeast, or leaven.

May I suggest you read what Jesus says in Matthew 13 verse 33?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/27/09




Danielle, if you do not wish to drink wine then don't.

Scripture says we must not get drunk on wine, therefore it must be alcoholic. However drinking is to drunkeness as eating is to gluttony. And we are obviously not forbidden to eat. We are not people of abstinence, but of moderation.
---Warwick on 10/27/09


The wine Jesus drank was not alcoholic, heres why, Back then they had water and they had grape juice to drink. Some drank alchol but i dont believe jesus did, the passover that Jesus ate, they take so much care to have no unleavened bread, not even in the cupboards of their house, the leaven is symbolic of sin leaven- substance (as yeast) used to produce fermentation in dough or a liquid, now they took all that trouble to get out all the leaven ...alcohol is made with yeasts and rotting things like apples grapes barley etc, causes the stuff to ferment and you have alcohol to get drunk off of ... i dont think that Jesus is going eat UNleavened bread in one hand, and a cup full of drink that was created through rotting grapes in other hand
---Danielle_Smith on 10/27/09


Jesus was "called" a "wine bibber" or a "drunk" by those who sought to discredit Him. It is taken for granted He drank wine according to the custom of the day. The label "wine bibber" didn't stick...simply because too many people knew it wasn't true!
---Donna66 on 10/19/09


Guys, I had a typo.
It looked like I was calling the men on here sinners when I wasn't. I tend to have issues with my key board some times and when I was trying to edit my last post, apparently I missed deleting that word. I apologize if I offended anyone.
---miche3754 on 10/17/09


Catherine,
You would do very well to listen to these very wise men.
They are telling you the truth about Jesus.
He was not a winebibber but he did in fact drink wine, the fermented kind not grape juice.
Jesus teaches moderation in all things.
He does not say don't drink. He says do not drink to get drunk.
To get drunk is the same as gluttony, or laziness. Thes and other things are over indulgences which is sin.
If you choose not to drink alcohol at all that is fine but don't bare false witness against these men sinners just because you think it is sin to even have one drink when Jesus says it's okay to have one drink.
---miche3754 on 10/17/09


no jesus was not a wine bibber but he came to seek and save those that was lost (sinners) so what better place to go and sit in the presence of the wine bibber.and for the church u and I we should never get so heavenly minded until we are no earthly good. lol
---sharon_bonner on 10/17/09


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Catherine ... Have you looked up the dictionary definition of "wine-bibber"? It means "drunkard"

Do you know the definition of drunkard (or drunk)? It is "One who is habitually affected by alcohol to the extent of losing control of his faculties or behaviour"

You say that Jesus was no wine-bibber, and we all accept that. He was not a drunkard, but there is every evidence that He made and drank alcoholic wine.

That does not make Him a drunkard. Nor does my glass of wine with a meal or my long beer at the end of a hot day make me a drunkard, nor does it mean I am disobeying God's rules
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/17/09


Yes lord! Not I!
I am not guilty of this sin, lord.

Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Then ask, why lord!
---TheSeg on 10/17/09


Drunkenness. Europeans passed laws that made it socially unacceptable, and taxed booze. Here the temperance movement tried to shame people, and passed prohibition. Some Christians are more comfortable under laws burden, rather than Gods grace. You may not place your brother under a yoke of bondage, and you are sinful if you dis-fellowship him who is not in unrepentant sin, Matthew 11:28-30, Acts 15:10, Romans 14:4, 10, Galatians 2:11-21, 5:1-26.
Catherine, 10/8: Please give your evidence, Galatians 6:1-3. Leviticus 19:18-20, Matthew 22:37-40, Mark 12:39-41, John 13:34-35, 15:12-14, Romans 13:8-10, 1Corinthians 13, 1Thessalonians 4:9-10, 2Thessalonian 1:3, 1Peter 1:22, 2Peter 1:7, 1John 3:16, 23, 4:8-16.
---Glenn on 10/17/09


Catherine ... I am not equating myself in nay way with God.

Nevertheless, I would point out that I am no drunk.

I like a glass of wine with a meal, and after a long walk enjoy a long glass os shandy to quench the thirst.

I have only once been drunk in my life, when a non-alcoholic drink was spiked with tasteless alcohol & I did not know I was drinking it!

To say that having a drink of alcohol makes one into a nonsense.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/15/09


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God is no drunk God is sinless....JESUS! is God.
---catherine on 10/15/09
Who on this thread has called Jesus a drunk? A few people are in agreement that he could have had some wine without getting drunk or sinning in that way.

Your beef is with those mentioned in the Bible who called him a winebibber.
---obewan on 10/15/09


God is no drunk God is sinless....JESUS! is God.
---catherine on 10/15/09


Even though this may contradict my own opinions on this subject, I did a search for the word "juice" and found one occurrence of it in the KJV: Song of Solomon 8:2.
The Septuagint Greek translation (which is the same language used in the New Testament) uses "oinos" in the phrase "juice of the pomegranate".

However, NIV shows three: Numbers 6:3 (grape juice), Numbers 18:27 (juice from the winepress), Isaiah 65:8 (juice found in a cluster of grapes) - and none use "oinos" in the Septuagint.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/09


The Greeks simply used the word "oinos" to cover grape juice and wine.
---djconklin on 10/15/09
What about Glenns post that mentioned the word ***trux*** - grape juice. I looked at some Greek lexicons and they did not have it, but I found one reference that did mention it as juice.

Also, I think there are some Bible passages that mention ***new wine*** which would be juice until it fermented.
---obewan on 10/15/09


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There was a Greek word available to the writers of the New Testament which might have been used to refer to grape juice (trux) if they had wanted their readers to understand that the common beverage used by Christ, the disciples, Timothy, the presbyters and deacons, and the Corinthian believers was unfermented grape juice (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament And Other Early Christian Literature , by Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich, p.564). The Holy Spirit of God chose not to use the word trux (grape juice) even one time in the New Testament.
---obewan on 10/15/09


>my point is that if it were juice it might have been translated ***juice*** or ***new wine*** which means unfermented.

The Greeks simply used the word "oinos" to cover grape juice and wine.
---djconklin on 10/15/09


...but thou hast kept the ***good wine*** until now.
---djconklin on 10/14/09

I have heard of the term ***good wine*** but my point is that if it were juice it might have been translated ***juice*** or ***new wine*** which means unfermented. As it is it leaves it open to debate. But, there is a seperate root word for grape juice that was not used in the original inspired word of God.
---obewan on 10/14/09


>If there were a stronger case our esteemed translators would have said that Jesus made new wine or juice.

I've never seen anyone claim that the transaltors were inerrant.

John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the ***good wine*** until now.
---djconklin on 10/14/09


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obewan
Truer words have never been spoken or ever will.

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Blessed be his name!
---TheSeg on 10/9/09


Glenn>>>I do doubt you are my brother!
---catherine on 10/8/09

What gives you the right to question his salvation? I know we do not agree on this subject but I also know beyond a shadow of doubt that I am saved.

Matthew 7:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
---obewan on 10/9/09


Catherine:

I have nearly every Bible and commentary in print, and I have not seen one that even in footnotes claims that the wine was unfermented. If there were a stronger case our esteemed translators would have said that Jesus made new wine or juice.

Since the text is unclear, I am willing to man-up with Christian maturity and admit that we simply do not know if it was wine or juice, and we will not know until we see Jesus.

I refuse to add to the word of God and call someone who would drink just ONE glass of wine a drunkard, or a sinner as you have. I could also call someone I see eating McDonalds French fries a glutton and a sinner, but since I dont know how often, I will not. (If they are huge, I would be tempted.)
---obewan on 10/9/09


I sit here and read these things.
Then I open the word of God and read.

My lord himself talking, where he clearly said
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking.
And they called him sinful.

Before this he said
Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking.
And they called him sinful.

Its like no matter what you do, you are sinful.
Wisdom is justified by her children.
God Bless You
---TheSeg on 10/9/09


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Glenn>>>I do doubt you are my brother!
---catherine on 10/8/09


John 16:2-3.
Catherine, 10/7:
Please read my entries on 8/14 and 10/7, including the scriptures. Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34 show that Jesus lived a normal life, and was neither an ascetic, nor a glutton and drunkard. That is he both ate and drank (alcohol) in moderation. "But wisdom is justified of her children" means that the wise would understand his manner of doing things. It would be best to ask for wisdom *1. G3631 oinos fermented wine - John 2:3 twice, :9 once, :10 twice. G3184 methuo - drunk (mildly intoxicated here) - 2:10.
*1 Proverbs 26:12, Isaiah 5:21, vs. Proverbs 8:34, Psalm 25:9, Matthew 7:7-8, 21:22, Mark 11:24, James 1:5, 1John 3:22, 5:14.
---Glenn on 10/8/09


I do not change anything. I looked up that scripture on changing the word of God and it's meaning. And I have not been found guilty, hallelujah! If you people wish to make God out to be some kind of a drunk when only His holy Blood and cause His people to be holy, go ahead. The Bible has plenty of scriptures on drunkenness, and not to do it. "Jesus was sinless". "Be not drunk on wine, but be forever drunk on the spirit of God"....And there are other scriptures, too...Note: You may take it up with God on judgment day. Jesus is God. Have fun! Whoooo!
---catherine on 10/8/09


He made the wine by His power and it was found to be of superior quality I dare say it was not fermented... ---catherine on 10/7/09 ----------------------
And I suppose you are going to tell us that babies come from the cabbage patch and that Jesus acutally WAS born on December 25 (a WILD GUESS that came from the Pope.)

If it was only "juice" then show us the seperate root words in the original lauguage text that would distinguish "juice" from "wine".

The Bible tells us not to put new wine into old wineskins because the fermenting will busrt them. It uses the same root word as does "be not drunk", and "turned water into wine." You dare to add to or change the word of God?
---obewan on 10/7/09


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John was brought-up on charges that he was demon-possessed because of his ascetic ministry. Jesus' contact with sinners brought the equally untrue claim that He was gluttonous, and a winebibber....Scripture in John 2:1-11, does not indicate that Jesus drank any wine. And because He made the wine by His power and it was found to be of superior quality I dare say it was not fermented, not like it is of today, my friends. The sign caused His disciples to be strengthened...After He performed this miracle Jesus went on to Capernaum. Every generation from Jesus till now have searched for excuses for rejecting Jesus as the Son of God. Be more concern with your own souls. Jesus has the power to take you to heaven or to throw you in hell!
---catherine on 10/7/09


2/2
However, a Christian may not break fellowship with his brother over the issue, Romans 14:1: "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." This allows the one to drink, or not, Romans 14:1-12, Galatians 2:11-14, 4:9-10, Ephesians 4:1-3, Colossians 2:16-23. In the 19th century, some U.S. Christians overreacted to the high level of wantonness and inebriation in society by starting the Holiness movement. The results were phariseeism, works righteousness, and a superior attitude (Romans 12:3, 6, James 4:6), and they soon developed a set of beliefs with which they interpreted the Bible. Matthew 6:7, 15:17-18, Acts 15:5, 24, Galatians 2:4, Colossians 2:8, 16, 20-23.
---Glenn on 10/7/09


1/2
A wedding was a religious ceremony, and so wine was used. Not to drink it at a wedding (or a Seder, etc.) would have been an insult to the marriage. In the New Testament, except when it's used allegorically in Revelations, G3631 oinos means fermented wine. Also, to say that it wasn't alcohol because you are offended, does not change it to trux - grape juice. In John 2:10, G3184 methuo - drunk means to be mildly intoxicated as there are many verses that prohibit drunkenness. Although Romans 14:1-15:7 and 1Corinthians 8:3-13 predominately concerns meat sacrificed to Idols, and religious customs, we are to consider our weaker brother.
---Glenn on 10/7/09


Jonathan, 10/4:
"Intoxicated?", No! Jesus drank, Yes! drunkenness is sin?, Yes! "Drinking" is sin?, No! 'W.W.J.D.', Jesus made wine, John 2:3-11, "and his disciples believed on him."
p.s. Gods' grace is better!
---Glenn on 10/5/09


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I can guarantee you what wine Jesus may have had, there was nothing in it to make you drunk. I use to have a glass of wine when I would take my bath, sitting in the bathtub. One night, Jesus said to me, "not to drink anymore wine". So that was that. end of it.

WOW, blatant lie, really sad.
---sonofturbo on 10/5/09


---Ignatius on 8/13/09
"Actually, Holy Scriptures is against anything in excess (for example, Gluttony is a sin, Proverbs 23:2, 20-21).

Because I am fat I would rather you not mention this to many times as it really pins the tail on the donkey.
---mima on 10/5/09


Could or would Jesus (God incarnate)get intoxicated? If alcohol 'impairs judgement'would God be subject to that? if he was 'all God and all man'He was 'without sin" is it sin only when one becomes drunk? drinking? what would Jesus do?
---jonathan on 10/4/09


Jesus made wine, John 2:3-11, "and his disciples believed on him."
It:
Was a curse to not have it, Isaiah 1:22, 24:11, Micah 6:15.
Was used in offerings, Exodus 29:40, Numbers 15:4-10.
Had medicinal uses, 2Samuel 16:2, Proverbs 31:6, 1Timothy 5:23.
Made glad, Psalm 104:15, Ecclesiastes 10:19.
Was a blessing, Genesis 14:18, Proverbs 9:2, 5, Ecclesiastes 9:7, Isaiah 25:6, 55:1, Amos 9:14, Zechariah 10:7, Matthew 26:29, John 2:3-11, 1Corinthians 10:16.
Drunkenness forbidden: Esther 1:10-12, Proverbs 20:1, 23:29-35, 31:4-5, Isaiah 5:11, 28:7, Hosea 4:11, Joel 3:3, Amos 6:6, Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, Ephesians 5:18, 1Timothy 3:8, Titus 1:7.
Tabernacle Priests, Leviticus 10:9. Nazarites, Numbers 6:3.
---Glenn on 8/14/09


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Exactly! Moderation (or self-control) is the key to EVERYTHING while we are living here on earth. The same hypocrites who decry any alcohol use are the same people who say it is OK for them to live in huge houses and drive expensive cars, etc DESPITE God's word that tells us ALL to live modestly!
---WaPa on 8/13/09


You can always tell a hypocrite because they "pick and choose" which verses of the Bible they think everyone should live by. Sadly, these people have ulterior motives. For example, ALL of the overweight/old people in my congregation believe that swimming is a sin because you MIGHT cause others to sin (lust). They say this though because they are old, overweight, and wrinkly and so they don't want to go swimming! However, these same people are wealthy and live luxuriously (not modestly) EVERY DAY but they deny that that is a sin even though I tell them that they ARE causing me to sin (covet) but they say that that is ridiculous and that it is my fault for being covetous! What's the difference? Nothing!
---WaPa on 8/13/09


"Most people blindly/mistakenly/stupidly/legalistically believe that it is a sin to drink ANY alcohol...it is ONLY A SIN IF you get DRUNK!" (Wa PA)

Agree. Drinking alcohol is not a sin. No such commandment exist in the New Testament, under the New Covenant. It is strange many will say "The Bible said drinking is a sin" where no such chapter/verse exist. They have been misguided my there church superiors into believe Holy Scriptures proclaim something when it doesn't.

The only prohibition in Holy Scriptures is drinking in excess (drunkenness). Actually, Holy Scriptures is against anything in excess (for example, Gluttony is a sin, Proverbs 23:2, 20-21). There must exist moderation in everything.

In IC.XC,
---Ignatius on 8/13/09


Most people blindly/mistakenly/stupidly/legalistically believe that it is a sin to drink ANY alcohol when the Bible clearly says it is ONLY A SIN IF you get DRUNK! Most people also believe it is a sin to get angry. But Jesus Himself got angry so that is obviously NOT a sin just like drinking alcohol is NOT a sin since Jesus drank wine! He also never got drunk which is THE ACTUAL SIN, not the simple act of drinking! But really what the sin is, is actually a lack of self-control which is at the root of ALL sin! Just try to find ONE passage that says it is a sin to DRINK alcohol WITHOUT mentioning the word DRUNK! It cant be done!
---Wa_Pa on 8/12/09


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LOL!! :D I just can't resist Obewan, but as Yoda would probably say, "Proud of you, I am" :D Sorry, Duane, couldn't resist adding that! :D God bless ya :)
---Mary on 6/27/08


Good Job Obewan!
Lets not forget the passage that tells us to use a little wine for our stomachs,
I'm sure theirs more, I just can't think of any right now!
Qui-gon Jin would be proud of you! he he he
Yoda
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/27/08


Yeah right, they tried to fool them with bad tasting "grape juice" after they had their fill with good tasting grape juice,
That would fool them!
You've saved the best tasting Grape Juice for last!
OUGH BOY!

It would be nieve to think they were drinking Grape Juice instead of WINE.
You would have to have a Buzz, not to be FOOLED & unable to tell the Differance between Good & Bad tasting GRAPE JUICE'S!
Ya' Think?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/26/08


">>don't think CHRIST drank fermented wine..<<"<<



Why? Your exegesis of the original words in the original text? I am confident we will find the same Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic words for wine in ALL passages in the Bible. We have "be not drunk" as well as "wine maketh glad the heart of the king." We also have the passage about not putting new wine into old wineskins because the fermenting will burst them. It is a distortion of Scripture to say that wine was not fermented. I am sure Jesus drank wine responsibly. A person can drink 1 glass of wine a day without sinning. It is good for the heart and arteries even. I would not call Jesus a winebibber. That term is reserved for drunks.
---obewan on 6/26/08


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You are speaking of God here. My advice is>>> to be careful. Jesus+++ God is holy above reproach, and every single true believer can only dream of being like Him, which I believe will never be until we see Him.
---catherine on 6/24/08


wine could be just grape juice..their is non-toxic(NON-fermented) wine..freshest..don't think CHRIST drank fermented wine..he said no strong drink..people are alway rationalizing things so they can feel better about sinning..REPENT!!!
---shannon on 6/21/08


Eloy, in what verse does the Bible use the word "chymos"? I have been looking but cant find it. I thought that the New Testament only used the word oinos to describe both fermented and unfermented grape juice.
Fresh wine (grapejuice) was only available twice a year during harvest, so it was considered the best, and usually given first at weddings (which were usually performed right around harvest).
I cant see how Jesus would make so many gallons of alcohol, contributing to intoxication.
---Todd1 on 5/28/08


Who would accuse a vegetarian of eating meat to excess?

Likewise who would accuse a non-drinker of being a drunk?

To say Jesus never drank wine makes no sense and is contradicted by Scripture.

Nowhere are Christians told they cannot drink wine nor eat food but we are told not to be drunkards or gluttons.

Some here would have us believe that to eat food in moderation makes us gluttons!
---Warwick on 5/27/08


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Jesus would have never drank wine. The high priest of Israel were not permitted to drink strong drink. Jesus being the son of God would have followed after this fashion. He is the spiritual high priest. Even upon Jesus' being crusified on the cross he refused to drink something strong... Mark 15:23 Even in Luke 1:15 when the angel of the Lord was speaking of John the Baptist that he should not drink strong drink. Cause John the baptist, and of course Jesus would have been filled the the Holy Spirit.
---Tammy on 5/27/08


Nicola the dictionary definition of "bibber" is "tippler"
That is, drinking to excess

The fatc he was accused of this shows that he did drimk some wine, but the extent was exaggerated by his accusers
---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08


I dont even understand the term "Bib-ber". What in the world is that? A wino? No. I prefer "Friend" or "Savior". Those work for me. If I was in my young 20's back in the bookstore poetry days, I'd have taken the wino title. But No. I prefer to call Him Friend and Savior. That works for me. Thank-YOU!
---Nicola on 5/6/08


There is nothing wrong with a Christian drinking a little wine. It is when it is used in excess that it becomes sinful.
---Susie on 5/6/08


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Jesus would have drunk some wine. He was wrongly accused of being a wine bibber. People were constantly looking for something to accuse Him of. Same today.
---Helen_5378 on 9/3/07


Christiana== Bless you. I got so up set over that one. It sent me to my knees.God cried with me, and I am not kidding. And I also looked up some things today, on the subject. You and me are on the right track.
---catherine on 2/11/07


It is my understanding that the wine in biblical times was of very low alcohol content, and used to purify water. I don't recall percentages, but it was such that one would have to drink a very large content in order to get drunk. So most, if not all would drink wine, but Jesus did not drink to excess.
---christina on 2/11/07


I do not see why God would tell me not to drink wine if he dranked it. The word of God is filled with scriptures telling His people to stay away from booze. I will not utter another word about it. ANYWAYS, the idea of God drinking is stupid. THE kind that gets you drunk, It is stupid.
---catherine on 2/10/07


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The wine that Jesus drank was fermented and real alcohol. The greek word for juice, is "chymos", and grape juice, "chymos stafylis", but the greek word used in John 2:1-10 in the Bible is "oinos", which means "wine". And verse 10 tells of it's fermentation. Usually the best aged wine was served first, and after the guests had well drunk then the green or poor wine was served, but instead Jesus served the best aged wine at the end of the wedding.
---Eloy on 2/10/07


Personally, i do not drink alcohol. But here is the truth:
1. God appoves of drinking wine.
2. God condemns drunkenness.
3. Nondrinkers, judge not drinkers; and drinkers, judge not nondrinkers.
Conclusion= A christian may drink, but not get drunk, for drunkards are condemned. Colossians 2:16,17; Romans 14:17,18; I Corinthians 6:9-11; I Corinthians 10:30,31.
---Eloy on 2/10/07


Righteousness is much more than eating healthy or having temperance, and we should not judge one another over such things (Romans 14:13; Colossians 2:16). But we are commanded to be sober and to be holy, and also we know that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and that no drunkards will inherit kingdom of God. Please read I Corinthians 6:9-11; I Thessalonians 5:4-11; Titus 2:6,11-15; I Peter 1:13-16; 4:7; 5:8,9. Therefore to me being "sober-minded" means not to drink alcohol.
---Eloy on 2/10/07


I can guarantee you what wine Jesus may have had, there was nothing in it to make you drunk. I use to have a glass of wine when I would take my bath, sitting in the bathtub. One night, Jesus said to me, "not to drink anymore wine". So that was that. end of it.
---catherine on 2/9/07


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No! Jesus was "without" sin . He wasn't a drunkard!

A drunkard is a person who drinks him/herself into an altered state of consciousness thereby opening oneself to demonic influences, harassment and/or possession -- deadly consequences.
(1 Cor. 6:10)

Yes, Jesus drank wine; but, not to excess. Anything done in excess is harmful. For example, moderately drinking water is good for us; but, to do so excessively can be deadly.
---Leon on 2/9/07


Yes, over 2,000 years ago Jesus drank wine and he also ate meat. Wine is not evil by itself, nor the drinking of wine, but it becomes evil to people when they should not be drinking it or when they get intoxicated by it.
---Eloy on 2/8/07


amen to jack.....
---jim on 2/8/07


It's amazing how Jesus practiced what he preached and went to those deemed the filth of the world and the offscouring of all things but today's Christians look down their noses at them, call them lost and drive many off with a holier-than-thou attitude. Reminding the sinner over and over and over of their sin isn't showing the love Jesus showed. They should mind not high things but condescend to men of low estate without justifying their actions.
Frank
---Frank on 2/8/07


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As an observant Jew, Jesus definitely drank wine - as shown at the Passover meal (last supper). Some Jews abstained - Nazorites took a vow to abstain from alcohol - Samson was a Nazorite, as was John the Baptist. The Essenes were also extremely aesthetic; however, they isolated themselves so much from the other "sinful" Jews that they would not have been in the streets to call Jesus anything. Jesus was wrongly accused of being a drunkard, by those who wanted something to slander Him with.
---lorra8574 on 2/8/07


40 days with no food or drink, no I think there was no shred of gluttony in our Lord.
---chan on 2/8/07


"Wine bibber" is another word for drunkard or alcoholic. You will notice that it is also associated with being a glutton and "friend of sinners."

Thank God, Jesus IS friend of sinners.
---Jack on 2/8/07




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