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My classmate is reading something called the "Dead Sea Scrolls." Should Christians even be reading something like that?

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Why not? This is important literature from the historical and spiritual milieu that produced Christianity.

Keep in mind that this is pre-Christian JEWISH literature. Some of the texts are Biblical mss; a few of these differ from the Massoretic (though compare more closely with the LXX).

Others are texts peculiar to those who produced them (presumably Essenes, though I have my doubts about that).
---Jack on 4/22/08


Sherry - what is your cult or particular unbelief statement?
Archeological evidence - Jesus' bones - da vinci farce - are they some of your leanings?
go read a good book
---Andrea on 9/5/07


Andrea
well first my faith would not rest on archeological evidences - we have seen what can happen with that"

What has happened ? Is it just because its science and science is an enemy except when you want to turn on the lights? You avoid the question. If the bible is infallible, what do you do with older texts with additional verses? All bible translations are just translations of copies of copies of copies, or didnt you know that?
---sherry on 8/30/07


I do not believe that there has ever been a conspiracy to hide or delay the publishing of the Dead Sea Scrolls - the condition of the scrolls is such that it would take an enormous amount of time to successfully unroll them and make it possible to read, copy and translate them. Not to mention an extraordinary amount of governmental and religious cooperation - given what they are, what they represent, and where they were found.
---lorra8574 on 8/30/07


The DSS contain source material for the NT. The terms, Children of Light and children of Dark are found in the DSS, written before the NT. There are many examples.

The delay in publishing some of the DSS was indeed a conspiracy of both RCC and protestant professors fearing some of the material may threaten some folks beliefs. 1991 the Huntington Library stole-via computer these missing parts, and indeed, to Biblical literalist they are a threat.
---MikeM on 8/29/07




sherry - well first my faith would not rest on archeological evidences - we have seen what can happen with that - nor does it rest in the twisted perversions that many cults come up with.
I follow Christ and He teaches me - what I glean at church or here is nothing compared to the work done in my own heart and I pray you have come to that knowledge - be blessed.
---Andrea on 8/29/07


this is a classic example of the narrow minded foolishness of many in the world. God brings things forth in His time, not man's to teach his children when they need reassurance that Jesus is the Christ. There will be more artifacts unearthed too in the future. many can either put on blinders to truth and plod along in misery and deceit, or they can accept things God gives us to lead us back to him.
---Lori on 8/29/07


andrea. You are correct that most of the DSS are OT material. They show that most of the books we have are decent copies, but the DSS contain additional verses in some cases. How does that square with some KJV being the bible of "God's word" when it obviously is flawed.
---Sherry on 8/29/07


the delay in making them available is simple. They were and are extremely fragile. It's taken a very long time just to piece the various texts together. Technology has finally given us readable copies in some cases.
---sherry on 8/29/07


I was suspicious of the DSS bc it has taken so many decades to bring them out - I know there may have been good reason for this but transparency is the most honest. On the other hand we never know what cult could arise from docs like these.

What I found the most enlightening was the credibility it lent to our own scriptures.

Isaiah was almost identical - great stuff - i thought the RCC might have gotten to them all. It said a lot for the early churches handling of the scriptures.
---Andrea on 8/29/07




Part 2:

Contrary to what DaVinci Code says, there are NO NT texts or gospels among them, though ideas common in the NT (such as the "Kingdom of God") are found in them.

Also contrary to what DVC says, these texts were found in the 1940's, NOT the 50's.

Don't expect to find great spiritual light in them, though I think every Christian should read them, or some of them, just to be familiar enough with these writings to talk intelligently about them.
---Jack on 8/27/07


For some reason, that sounds like LobsterFest at Red Lobster, or all you can eat Shrimp. Dead Sea Scrolls night at Red Lobster. All the Scrolls you can eat for $10.99.
---Dave on 3/9/07


The Discovery-Channel is having a Dead Sea Scrolls special tonight.
---NV_Steve on 3/9/07


Jack: *'Who said that there was a community necessarily at Qumran?'* Well, HAVE YOU been there?! I'm not an archaeologist, but if the time-lines for WHAT i SAW WITH MY OWN EYES, can be proven, there def. was some kind of community there. Those are neither nomadic nor even a large single family dwelling that was built there. Romans took it over occasionally after 70AD of course, but i'd hope they could tell the diff. between them and earlier inhabitants; unlike samll villages, it had large 'common areas'.
---danie9374 on 2/22/07


** I like Millar Burrows' comment from way back in 1958 that the oft popular equating of Qumran community with Essenes isn't quite correct!**

I'm of that school of thought, and will go one step or two farther:

1. Who said that there was a community necessarily at Qumran? The best you can say is "not proven."

2. Who said that the Qumran community (if such there was) wrote the DSS? Does it make sense that they would hide their writings so near by?
---Jack on 2/21/07


Jack: never said you did! Maybe if part =2= had posted with part =1= you wouldn't have thought it necessary; anyway, the link is a somewhat brief summary of points needed to be made about the Non-biblical DSS docs; think of it as a good starting point for a full-blown study. I like Millar Burrows' comment from way back in 1958 that the oft popular equating of Qumran community with Essenes isn't quite correct! In light of what we know now, no wonder the Pharisees were keen on identifying John the Baptist!
---danie9374 on 2/16/07


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My interest in DSS Isaiah Scroll and portions of Scripture was (when visiting Israel) and always will be more important to me than the Non-biblical docs from Qumran, thus the reason I needed to look them over again. As I'd said at first, I called them False, IF their authors were writing about End Times claiming to speak for God, but now I believe they weren't. Except for brief time c.30 yrs. ago, I only knew Qumran community was def. NOT where Christianity came from; in spite of atheists claiming it was!
---danie9374 on 2/16/07


=2= the War Scroll may have actually been allegory; written about past or present circumstances at that time, and not beliefs about the End of Days! IF that's true, my 'false prophecy' label would indeed be inaccurate, because its comments would have been about some real people (then or in the past) concerning the corruption of the priesthood in Jerusalem after the Greeks took over Israel. Use Adv.Google: "Allen Ross" at site 'bible DOT org' and 'Witness Dead Sea topic_id=6' for more.
---danie9374 on 2/15/07


=2= the War Scroll may have actually been allegory; written about past or present circumstances at that time, and not beliefs about the End of Days! IF that's true, my 'false prophecy' label would indeed be inaccurate, because its comments would have been about some real people (then or in the past) concerning the corruption of the priesthood in Jerusalem after the Greeks took over Israel. Use Adv.Google: "Allen Ross" at site 'bible DOT org' and 'Witness Dead Sea topic_id=6' for more.
---danie9374 on 2/15/07


Danie9374, I never said that the DSS were to be taken as inspired Scripture, now did I?
---Jack on 2/15/07


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=1= Dave, Jack: After doing some further study on this (as I said, it'd been a long time since I had), I'm 'backing off' somewhat from the 'emphasis' of my last post in regards to these DSS documents! Nothing wrong with what I said, if you 'key in on' my 'IF that's what they actually believed' to be true of the future -- and due to their 'fatalistic' views in some sections, they certainly weren't writing inspired Scripture. HOWEVER, it seems to me now, that [cont.]
---danie9374 on 2/15/07


**Bottom line: A FICTITIOUS statement is a FALSE statement (period),**

Does this include such works as JOHNNY TREMAIN or GONE WITH THE WIND?
---Jack on 2/15/07


[2] Unless you don't believe in the inspiration of Scripture (that its truths have an obvious priority over anything else on the same subjects), I can't see how anyone could disagree with that. Of course, if anyone doesn't believe that, then ANYTHING written by anyone is just as valid (or meaningless as the case may be) and MEN must be their own judges!
---danie9374 on 2/14/07


[1] Jack: Your use of the phrase, "pious fiction" is a real 'stretch of imagination' more akin to a euphemism than just 'telling it the way it is.' Bottom line: A FICTITIOUS statement is a FALSE statement (period), and I don't see anywhere in the War Scroll its author wrote it for 'entertainment' OR 'wishful thinking,' but rather as a work of what he believed was true and would happen; and any statements in it against Scripture are therefore FALSE prophecy. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 2/14/07


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** I recall the War Scroll is very close, if it didn't already cross the line, in portraying our spiritual battles as DUALISTIC in nature; making even the final outcome of 'good vs. evil' somewhat uncertain, even for God(!), which would definitely conflict with Scripture if that was the writer's belief!**

I would hardly call this "false prophecy." Pious fiction like this is no more prophecy than is Lewis's SCREWTAPE LETTERS or GREAT DIVORCE.
---Jack on 2/12/07


Daniel what I meant in my blog is I was not living at the time the scrolls were buried in the chamber so I have to go by faith and let the Holy Ghost tell me what is truth. that is all I am saying. I cannot say one book of the bible is true and another is false either. you raised an interesting point. in the scroll you mentioned, how does it contradict scripture. please let me know. thanks
---Dave on 2/12/07


Dave: In light of my recent posts (SOME scrolls from Qumran are NOT Scripture, e.g., the 'Dualism' in the War Scroll being contrary to what God revealed in Scripture), will you PLEASE CLARIFY what you meant in your last post? As you said, God does NOT change! So something claiming to speak of or for Him is definitely FALSE if it doesn't agree with His revealed words in Scripture! If YOU disagree with that, then you do not really believe in the true God, the Creator, God of Israel, Peter, Paul and me too.
---danie9374 on 2/12/07


it is interesting when it comes to scriptures. The DSS's are just another record that has been found to authenticate the bible writings, but many see them as false because they are not in the bible. since when did men become God and can dictate when scriptures will come forth that prove to the world that Jesus is the Christ. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. when He sees the need, new artifacts and scriptures will be revealed. people then have the freedom to accept it or reject it. simple.
---Dave on 2/11/07


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Jack: Having remembered a bit more, I recall the War Scroll is very close, if it didn't already cross the line, in portraying our spiritual battles as DUALISTIC in nature; making even the final outcome of 'good vs. evil' somewhat uncertain, even for God(!), which would definitely conflict with Scripture if that was the writer's belief!
---danie9374 on 2/11/07


Jack: RE: Dead Sea Scrolls, what I meant by 'FALSE prophecy' (as in, NOT being recognized OT or NT Scripture, yet being written as books having a 'prophetic nature') are the writings found at Qumran called The War Scroll and The Temple Scroll. It's been too long since I've read them, but seem to recall they're far too vague or general to point to anything specifically INCORRECT (as we can for some books of the Apocrypha which contain historical errors); they may conflict with OT Scripture.
---danie9374 on 2/11/07


jack, some of the books, like the Habakkuk Commentaty provide insights into the Essene Community, and some believe that John the Baptizer may have been Essene.

But the striking part of the DSS (after release by Dept of Antiquities) is their usefulness in transmission of the OT. Their copy of Isaiah for example is almost identical to Septuagent and to Masorite OT. BTW that disproves higher criticism.

Other books are also equally accurate.
---John_T on 2/10/07


**Your friend must be reading a book about the Dead Sea Scrolls as I don't think they would be able to actually read them unless they are a scholar in very old languages.**

Translations of them, or some of them, are VERY commonly available.
---Jack on 2/10/07


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** Some jars contained God's words (portions of various prophets; including the now famous Isaiah scrolls!), others had FALSE prophecies in them!**

I'm not aware of any "false prophecies" in these MSS, though there are books of poetry reminicent of the Psalms.

Could you enlighten us?
---Jack on 2/9/07


Your friend must be reading a book about the Dead Sea Scrolls as I don't think they would be able to actually read them unless they are a scholar in very old languages. It doesn't hurt anyone to read something that is factual. But, the problem is unless the book is written by a scholar who actually has read the Dead Sea Scrolls, the book can't be factual, only second-hand information.
---Susie on 2/9/07


Robby: Have you asked him WHY? There are many different viewpoints from various authors on 'the meaning of' the Dead Sea Scrolls! Some authors are right-on Believers, others atheists. Also, many people do not understand the wide range of literature found at the site: Some jars contained God's words (portions of various prophets; including the now famous Isaiah scrolls!), others had FALSE prophecies in them!
---danie9374 on 2/9/07


Robby: Thought it's TRUE, we should be sure we know Scriputre as best we can, Christians were not called to hide in caves and read ONLY the Bible until death! Some of us have been gifted by the Spirit (and better use that) to interact with the lost about all sorts of worldly subjects in order to witness to them; but not fall into sin. Being a Christian is NOT an 'easy life,' but God does leave us on earth for the purpose of making disciples and witnessing to others for His glory!
---danie9374 on 2/9/07


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Robby, it sounds as if you have never heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls so I suggest you do an internet search first. You'll find it very helpful. Then find out if your friend's book is a factual one or a book trying to discredit the scrolls in some way. Often there can be 2 books with identical titles but written for very different reasons. If you search the title and author you might be able to find out more about this particular book.
---m.p.a. on 2/9/07


Why should they not?
---grace3869 on 2/8/07


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